Afghanistan's top religious council: Women should not mix with men in school, work, or daily life, or travel without a male relative

of course afghan government does not give a s.....
they live a posh life with houses in Dubai and Greece. you think they will uphold women's right to give all that up. NO.
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And this is what our troops are dying for - medieval savages who hate the infidel's guts and have been hostile to us for centuries. Afghans were nothing but trouble throughout the 200 years history of the Raj, and are troublesome today. But we are hampered by political correctness. To the PC brigade and the feminists, this misogynism is to be respected and mollycoddled, and the white Western Christian or Jewish male is the enemy. History is a taboo subject, and anyone who crioticises these backward savages is a bigot and a racist. nrever mind the fact that Leftists, the PC brigade and feminists side with far and away the worst bigots and racists on the planet. Every Afghan is a sworn enemy of the infidel - always has been and always will be. We owe that tarpit and its people nothing. We don't have a bottomless money pit, sop lets stop feeding, clothing, providing shelter and medicines to them, they're simply not worth it. Let someone else do it, or make them fend for themselves. The message should be "Civilize or go under".

The point is that the US and Nato are just "occupiers" in a Muslim country. That's how we're seen even by the Muslims living here in the US.

All this time I've had this question in my mind, if the majority of people of Afghanistan really don't want the Taliban why has it been so hard to train an Afghan force to fight them? Why doesn't the Taliban have any trouble at all recruiting and training new fighters?

The answer I've found is that it's a solidly Muslim country and the people are by and large more comfortable with the Taliban and traditional Islam than they could ever be with Americans or other foreigners.

Over a thousand Billion dollars, a decade of war and thousands dead. For what? We could have colonized mars with what we spent in that human wasteland.

Attempting to 'free' people from the most perfect system of mind control ever devised was a fool's errand.

The Afghans obviously do not want to be free. They just want the dollar spigot to run forever. It is time to leave that miserable hellhole and the wretches who inhabit it and sorry, no immigrant refugees bringing their so-called Islamic 'religion' with them please.

What a refreshing contrast this is wrt the Taliban

Oh, wait...

Anyone surprised??? …. Not I … and I am sure non of you …

I did not expect anything else from the sorry excuse of humen beings Afghani top religious officials …

They want to do that … because it serves them better to have women on short leach … they tie women's hands like tying a dog in fear of running away … they do that because they afraid of women … they lack self-esteem …if they were real men and treat women like women should be treated , they wouldn't have to try to control every aspect of her life…

What a Morons !!!

I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you! All that I've been hearing in the media is that women are treated great in Muslim societies. Why just the other day in the Huffington Post, Qasim Rashid, totally explained how Muslims interpret verse 4:34. It sounds so nice! And now women are going to be treated badly in Afghanistan? Qasim just better get on the phone and explain to the top religious council that they're really misunderstanding their own religion.
*end sarcasm*

I wonder if this constitutes a "war against women"? Somebody better alert the mainstream media.

No, wait a minute. The media is still worried about Rush Limbaugh.

Islam, like rust, never sleeps! We must be active all the time to defend our rights against it.

2:282 A woman is worth one-half a man

2:223 “Your wives are as a tilth unto you;
so approach your tilth when or how ye will”

4:3 “…marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four;”

…for many soldiers of Allah

4:34, وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ, waidriboohunna
“Beat them” (women)

Cover women heads (24:31, 33:59)

http://newstime.co.nz/sabine-schiffer.html

Gotta protect those pious Muslim men from those wiley females just begging to be raped by going to school, work, or the grocery store, ya know!

The BBC reported a few minutes ago that six more British soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan, bring the total to over 400.

What a waste! And all for nothing! Any one of those men was worth a score of Afghans in my book.

The sooner the civilized Western countries get out of Afghanistan the better. We should leave them to sort out their own mess. And stop throwing money at them - it doesn't help!

Oh, and don't forget to spray the poppy fields before we leave. Paraquat would do nicely - I wouldn't mind paying my share of that cost!

In Toronto canada we alreday have CAIR and other pro-Shariah islamic groups amd imams endorsing the School Mosque-aterias on Fridays where female muslim must paly the role of Rosa Parks and sit at the back of the mosque during prayers, butthe menstrating girls even further back.
The pro school Mosques have the blessings of the Human Rights Commission head Barbara Hall as a choice for the schools and not a Social justice issue like the christians she drags into the tribunals to bankrupt for homophobia or misogyny.
The imam's and some muslims argue that the schools already have seperate washroom for female and change rooms in the gyms for the male-female classes.

Barbara Hall even threatened Mark Styen that if he was charged in Ontario she would have nailed him for racism and attacking muslims by repeating the orations by hate-filled imams off-shore.
Hall will rue the day she volunteered to be a useful idiot and stooge for the islamic supremacy thugs in canada that used her to get the Hijab-squads in the Toronto Police
so the Pro-Shariah Cops can respond to more Honour killing threats and verbally bereate the daughters to obey the quran and stay away from those filty jews and canadian values .
4 dead BROWN muslim girls because of the hijab and Shriah law for NOT wearing it, and now the PC leftists/liberals embrace theHijab for the Police to be Shariah Compliant, but it doesn't end there because the Lunchrooms will be Halal Friendly and I know that this pro-Shariah Hijab-wing of the polcie will NOT accept working woth jews,gays,K-9's,horses,lesbians,christians,males,non-muslim females, and on and on for every group the Polcie are paid to protect under our Charter Of Rights for equality.

I only hope I live long enough to see Avi Lewis do a AlJezeera video report of the beheadings for Hall,Susan Cole,Naomi Klein,Michael Moore,Libby Davies,Olivia Chow and many other fools that bought the taqqiyah of islam=peace and Shariah=justice.

Know Shariah - NO Justice
NO Shariah - KNOW Justice

What if this "male relative" is not "male" enough?
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/04/threesome-in-islam.html

So much for "winning the hearts and minds"......

As Diana West has written on her blog:

The articles of the Afghanistan constitution open as follows:

Article One
Ch. 1. Art. 1

Afghanistan is an Islamic Republic, independent, unitary and indivisible state.

Article Two
Ch. 1, Art. 2

The religion of the state of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is the sacred religion of Islam.

Followers of other religions are free to exercise their faith and perform their religious rites within the limits of the provisions of law.

Hmm [asks Diana West]. What law is that?

Answer: Sharia (Islamic law). Behold:

Article Three
Ch. 1, Art. 3

In Afghanistan, no law can be contrary to the beliefs and provisions of the sacred religion of Islam.

Bingo. Right there, in bold, in the constitution of Afghanistan, written under Uncle Sucker's nose and auspices, Islamic law is enshrined above all: No law -- zero -- can be contrary to "beliefs and provisions" of Islam -- sharia.

That constitutional article, approved in 2004, makes it official: the US war in Afghanistan, which retired General McChrystal infamously styled in counterinsurgency terms as "the struggle to gain the support of the [Afghan] people," is, and has been from nearly the start, also a war to make Afghanistan safe for sharia.

Hey, isn't Islamic law what the Taliban and al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood and Qaradawi and Zawaheri and Hamas and Ahmadinejad and Abu Qatada and Moqtada al Sadr and CAIR and Umar Farouq Abdulmutallab and Major Hassan and the Saudi "royal" family and Sharia4Belgium and ISNA and the OIC and the whole gang want anyway?

http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/2051/Karzai-and-the-Mullahs-Flexing-Their-Sharia-Compliance.aspx
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If you're reading, champ, this is what General Allen's, and MacChrystal's, and Petraeus's and their Commanders-in-Chief (Obama, and Bush before him) have wrought. We have spent billions of dollars, and have wasted the lives and blown-off limbs (and roadside-bomb-exploded genitalia) of American men and women -- to install a nation whose highest law of the land is evil, unjust, dangerous Sharia.

That would be like bombing and occupying Germany in the 1940s in order to make Nazism the law of the land.

meant to write:

"...this is what General Allen's, and MacChrystal's, and Petraeus's and their Commanders-in-Chief (Obama, and Bush before him) strategy has wrought."

Get out of all muslim countries and let them handle their own killing of each other. They need to learn themselves that their religion is the cause of their misery and their rulers have been using them forever. We dont know how to help them anyhow as our administration is clueless about Islam. GET OUT until we have an administration which values American culture and clearly understand what is going on in Middle East (and the rest of the World of course)

Once again the silence from the women's rights groups is deafening.

What's wrong ladies, don't give a rat's a$$ about the plight of your muslim sisters?

Afghanistan's top religious council: Women should not mix with men in school, work, or daily life, or travel without a male relative
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Gee—this sounds just like the Taliban! How is that possible, ten years after their ouster? sarc/off

More:

The comments by senior clerics - which have been welcomed by President Hamid Karzai - were included in a statement outlining the rights and duties of women under Islam.
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Remember, Karzai is our "ally"...sarc/off

More:

Leading woman MP Fawzia Koofi - who survived a Taliban ambush two years ago - has no doubt what the statement means.

"I think it's the beginning of taking women back to the dark period of the Taliban," she told the BBC.
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MP Koofi is right. The Taliban will come rolling back in as soon as we pull out. A few decent Afghans like like MP Koofi will genuinely regard this with horror and dismay, but most Afghans will welcome them back.

More:

Women could be the big losers in any deal with the insurgents...
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Women are *always* the losers when it comes to Islam.

Sold down the river!!

So long suckers!

When you speak to Muslim women in those parts - its like ' we have to do everything the Islamic way '

- that is with their modicum of freedom - under western protection.

Now it seems they are being told that is what they are going to do.

Get back under ya burqa girl!!

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Even for adoption - people in the west wanted to take some of those children out of those horrible conditions - it's ' Islam doesn't allow for adoption ' and it should be prevented!

So much anti-western arrogance - another 50 years under those blue scarf-dresses might help them to see the light of freedom more clearly.

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One honestly hopes they can hold onto some of their gains - especially for the young girls who saw a ray of hope.

The WSJ points out - some [?] argue - that in rural areas women are treated so badly - that Islam's Shari'a laws would be a step up!

But undoubtedly, a miserable step down for most - assuming the most populated areas are the cities.

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Who needs opium - when you have Islam!!

Islam is proof that what you focus on is what you get - after 1000 years - it would seem that most of the Islamic world is still transfixed on Islam itself.

Whereas, in the rest of the world people have come up with electricity, space flight, radio & TV transmission - Muslims biggest concern is how best to live under Islam and its laws.

Its a missed opportunity on a seismic scale in human terms - and they can't resist trying to get us hooked on that same opium.

They keep telling us -- it's so good - you've got to try it!!

Yeah, you wouldn't even care about your freedoms after that!!

champs,

woops -- the quote should have begun "presenting" -- "resenting" makes it the opposite!

and of course, make that "champ"

champ,

"I am not saying that I necessarily agree with General Allen, but I do UNDERSTAND his reasons for why we are still there. "

His reasons are grievously, tragically, recklessly, suicidally wrongheaded. I don't care if he has four stars on his weird pajama-suit they call a general's uniform these days.

''Women could be the big losers in any deal with the insurgents, according to Fawzia Koofi. She warns that the progress made in recent years - at huge cost to the international community - could soon be rolled back''

Of *course* they're going to be losers - it's *islam*, what did she expect ? Doesn't she understand her own religion, and her qu'ran ? It mystifies me why she should be surprised, or aggrieved.

'' - at huge cost to the international community - ''

Yes, that's what really sticks in my throat. On the news tonight we hear of yet more young Brits killed in that hellhole, and to add insult to injury, have to listen to that sanctimonious, cynical pos camoron dribbling about how 'this is the high price we (ha, *he's* not bloody paying it)have to pay for bringing freedom and democracy...''

Vomit.

I'm not saying, btw, that other young soldiers from the US and other NATO countries being killed isn't sickening, of course it is, but it is such a *bloody* waste of life, then we hear of such as this, and then have to listen to politicians mouthing their sickening, lying drivel. And *our* 'government' doesn't even equip them properly.

If I could have only one wish, it would be to get *all* the troops out right now, and then replace them with all the politicians that sent them there, under the *same rules of engagement* that they've forced on our troops, and left them to get on with it. *Nothing* good will ever come from attempting to deal with these people. Treaties and agreements mean absolutely *nothing* to them. 24 hours after we've gone, the Taliban will be back in the saddle, and Karzai will be hanging upside down from a lamp post, and it will be islamic business as usual.

Why don't the Muslims just build supermax prisons to house their women...surely the Muslims could provide trustworthy guards and the women would be accounted for at all times. But then the men would have to go to prison for those conjugal visits and they would attain a high level of Islamic self satisfaction knowing their women are guarded 24 hours a day by Muslim guards..

And while they're home alone enjoying the confines of their own personal prison, they'll need to be sure to stay far away from bananas, cucumbers, carrots and zucchini. It might cause them to think something bad. If they're granted permission to travel with a male relative, they'll have to make sure they don't wear high heels or have 'alluring eyes.' That might cause men to think something bad. After all, those are things that could tempt the women into behaving in ways that may then force Allah to think about doing something bad himself ...

,b.Do you remember this?

Fitzgerald: Islam respects women?

Islam respects women. Islam prevents women from being made into mere sex objects. Islam provides for the "portable seclusion" of the burqah. In Islam there is no decadence, no exploitation, as there is in the cruel and intolerable West. If anything at all is ever to be found inhumane in the treatment or status of women in Muslim societies, even if those societies are suffused with Islam and its attitudes, that has nothing to do with Islam. See Shirin Ebadi. See Fatima Mernissi. See Leila Ahmad. See Leila Abu-Lughod. No, whatever bad things happen to women within Muslim societies has nothing to do with Islam but only with "cultural practices" that -- let us all repeat again -- have n-o-t-h-i-n-g to do with Islam.

Got that?

Muslim "feminists" -- the sometimes sensible-sounding ones (Fatima Mernissi, less often Leila Ahmad) and the almost-never-sensible-ones (Abu-Lughod)-- have changed a good deal over the years. Now they are quick to sense that Islam is being implicated in the mistreatment by Muslim men, in Muslim countries, of Muslim women. This is something they don't like, and there is a quick circling of the wagons to make sure that in no case is Islam itself to be blamed. The fact that a manual of surgery on the subject of partial or full clitoridectomies is not appended to the Qur'an should fool no one. The text of Qur'an, the practices of the Sunnah (derived largely from Hadith and Sira) inculcate a view of women and of their distinct differences from, and inferiority to men, which naturally gives men the right to interfere and to cut-and-paste, with the emphasis here on cutting, in order to create a More Perfect Woman, less menacing in her dangerous sexuality.

That is also why she, that creature, must be covered up -- for men are poor, weak, forked things, and need to be protected from those wiles and endless guiles and come-hitherings of women. They therefore must be covered up for the same reason that they must be cut, here and there, to make sure that their centers of pleasure are removed. Otherwise there is no telling what they might do to entice men, or to drag the honor of their families into the dust.

Does the general message of Islam, do the attitudes toward women that naturally flow from familiarity with, and deep belief in, the texts of Islam, do anything to encourage the practice of what is clumsily called Female Genital Mutilation? Or is there no relation between the two, as Fatima Mernissi et al. would smilingly, plausibly, sweetly (with the hysteria just underneath, ready to explode) have you believe?

What do you believe?

Contrary to what Fatima Mernissi, Leila Ahmed, Leila Abu-Lughod, Diana Eck, and Shirin Ebadi, say about Female Genital Mutilation and the mistreatment of women in general, it would be far truer to say that those Muslim peoples and polities most willing to overlook the tenets and attitudes of Islam are those where women have the best chance at something like a semi-decent life. It is precisely to the extent that a country observes the Shari'a, or tries to, that determines the level of hideousness of the treatment of local Muslim women.

Forget, everyone, what Mernissi and Ebadi and Ahmed and assorted running dogs of Islam -- Karen Armstrong comes to mind -- say about Islam and "feminism" or "Feminism and Islam." Read Hirsi Ali. Read Azam Kamguian and those who blog at the Homa Darabi website (start with the scathing reviews of Shirin Ebadi). Forget the purveyors of nonsense (Purveyors of Nonsense To His Majesty King Abdullah, Hassan, Hussein, Muhammad, whatever you want, since round about 1985, when the whole ridiculous "Islam and Feminism" thing got started).

It would help if every young female marching off to "help the people" in Iraq or Afghanistan were to first, seriously, sit down and read carefully both the articles by such people as Azam Kamguian on Islam and women, and then as well to read the study of Islam and its incompatibility with human rights written by Reza Afshari. And see, in particular, Reza Afshari's unanswerable dissection of the smiling dishonesty of that phony "feminist" Fatima Mernissi, who started out as a self-proclaimed defender of women's rights, and rather quickly, seeing what this might do to the image of Islam, became a sudden Defender of the Faith, with a highly imaginative version of that Faith and its supposed history of "reform."

Posted by Hugh on August 28, 2007 5:08 PM| 41 Comments

Brigitte Bardot; now there is a woman.

http://pate.blogs.france24.com/article/2012/03/06/brigitte-bardot-cat-loving-muslim-hating-old-bag-0

Typical frog rhetoric.

Yea. .like the 'DONT TREAD ON ME' logo, prehaps.

Everyone will be pleased to know the Muslim Council of Britain issued a press release today giving their full support to International Women's Day. Is it a genuine change of heart or taqqiya. I am sure Mr Karzai and his associates will be a little upset. No doubt they will at prayers be protesting to Allah and calling for Him to bring the MCB back into line.

Back to the thread:
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"Afghanistan's top religious council has said women should not mix with men in school, work or other aspects of daily life."
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Well, crap! That just about leaves it all out, doesn't it?

What are the women supposed to do? What does, "other aspects of daily life" really mean?

The reality of the situation is that in many backward educational systems, males are separated from females. This extends to the local culture. Men are deemed necessary to be separated from women, though; not the other way around, as the Mohammedists would have us believe.

The system is so completely ingrained that it boggles. In societies of gender-separation, the effects are obvious and disturbing, it would seem.

The simple notion of transport, for example, takes on gargantuan, ridiculous proportions in the segregated society. To be clear - women don't ride buses in Saudi. Only men.
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How is it that the civilized world gladly entertains the ideas of such backward, evil men from Afghanistan?

Meanwhile, here's more on what the above story likely bodes:

"The First Sign of Taliban’s Return"

http://outlookafghanistan.net/editorialdetail.php?post_id=3593

Thank you, Marisol!