That was the Daily Mail's observation today. The excuse du jour, once again, is the irrational fit of rage over the Qur'an burnings: "The violence was thought to be retaliation, in part, for the burning of the Koran by US soldiers in Afghanistan last month."
Never mind that it was not even British forces who were involved in the incident. Once again, this is a rampage finding its excuse, as the attitudes and inclinations to wreak havoc and destruction when offended preceded the excuse seized upon for doing so.
We have also already seen a growing, demonstrative hostility in Libya to shrines and graves even of minority Muslim sects. The video and report show that this rampage was far more about the crosses (and a Star of David) in the cemetery than anything else.
Here is video, with thanks to Truth101:
More on this story, in the updated report: "Desecrated: The shocking video of Churchill's Desert Rats' graves being smashed to rubble... by the Libyans we helped liberate," by Ian Gallagher and Martin Delgado for the Daily Mail, March 4:
A year ago they begged for Britain’s help when Colonel Gaddafi’s tanks encircled their city, threatening annihilation.Now former Libyan rebels in Benghazi – liberated with the aid of the RAF last March – have systematically desecrated the graves of more than 150 British servicemen killed in North Africa 70 years ago.
Headstones at the Benghazi War Cemetery have been torn down and crucifixes smashed with hammers by a mob of extremists, some carrying guns and dressed in combat fatigues. [...]
Graves of RAF pilots were among those shattered by the thugs. It was their job to fly bombing raids – just as the RAF did last year – to assist Lieutenant General Montgomery’s Eighth Army and support commandos clearing routes for tanks.
Sickeningly, the attack, which was carried out over two days last week and appeared highly organised, was filmed by one of the men involved and posted on the internet.
As they rampage among the graves, members of the mob are heard to repeatedly say of the dead servicemen: ‘They are dogs, they are dogs.’
The violence was thought to be retaliation, in part, for the burning of the Koran by US soldiers in Afghanistan last month.
Footage shows the mob methodically kicking down grave after grave. Some are then smashed with hammers. ‘Destroy that cross, they are dogs,’ cries one hooded rebel.
Another voice is heard saying: ‘We begin with this one then we’ll take care of that other one. We won’t leave any left.’
A few seconds later another extremist says: ‘This tomb has a cross on it – a disbeliever.’
As they discover a Jewish grave bearing the Star of David, one of the men says: ‘Look at what it says on it. There is even Israeli writing . . . in Hebrew.’
And in one of the most disturbing sequences, one protester attaches a ladder to the Cross of Remembrance next to the cemetery. He climbs up it and begins hacking at the memorial with a hammer. Then he shouts: ‘Watch out young people. It’s going to fall.’ The cross is then smashed off...
Bastards!
My dad was in the RAF in WWII. This video brought me to tears and I'm so angry I could choke on it. There goes the blood pressure again.
Who will call for an apology for this desecration? Who will speak for the dead?
I don't know why we got involved. As long as they are cutting each others' throats, they aren't cutting ours. Putting on my cynical hat, we should encourage them to riot and burn and murder each other as much as we can.
Christian and Jewish war graves desecrated and destroyed in Benghazi. This is the most barbaric and inexcusable crime committed on Christian and Jewish graves in Benghazi, Libya.
It's funny that the entire Christian and Jewish world are not up in arms and aggressively protesting this heinous act.
Should the Christians and Jews go on a rampage on this.... NO. We're far above this...
My family (cousins) have been in the Israeli armed forces and this video has made me very angry and upset.
I truly believe that we should not get ourselves involves in any way, shape or form in helping these evil Muslim countries....... they deserve what they get.
I strongly urge that we remove ourselves and not get involved in Afghanistan, Pakistan and all the *stans, Egypt, Libya, Syria etc... Let these Muslim countries deal with their own problems... let them massacre and kill their own people. LET THEM GO TO HELL ........
No good deed goes unpunished. When dealing with muslims, this adage s/b written in all CAPS.
I am reminded of Al Wilson's 1968 The Snake,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ZBqpEUbik
On her way to work one mornin',
Down a path alongside the lake,
A tender-hearted woman,
Saw a poor half-frozen snake.
His pretty colored skin
Had been all frosted with the dew,
"Poor thing," she cried, "I'll take you in,"
"And I'll take care of you."
"Take me in, tender woman,
Take me in, for heaven's sake,
Take me in, tender woman,"
Sighed the snake.
She wrapped him up all cozy,
In a comforter of silk.
And laid him by the fireside
With some honey and some milk.
Well she hurried home from work that night
And soon as she arrived,
She found that pretty snake
She'd taken in had been revived.
"Take me in, tender woman,
Take me in, for heaven's sake,
Take me in, tender woman,"
Sighed the snake.
Now she clutched him to her bosom,
"You're so beautiful," she cried.
"But if I hadn't brought you in,
By now you might have died."
Now she stroked his pretty skin again,
And then kissed and held him tight.
Instead of saying, "Thanks,"
That snake gave her a vicious bite.
"Take me in, tender woman,
Take me in, for heaven's sake,
Take me in, tender woman,"
Sighed the snake.
"But, I saved you," cried that woman,
"And you've bitten me, but why?
You know your bite is poisonous,
And now I'm gonna die."
"Aw, shut up, silly woman,"
Said that reptile, with a grin.
"You knew damn well I was a snake,
Before you brought me in."
"Please, take me in, oh, tender woman,
Take me in, for heaven's sake,
Take me in, tender woman,"
Sighed the snake.
I remember seeing a few years ago (I think it was in England) some scraggly-bearded pyjama-wearing muzlum holding a sign and chanting loudly "Democracy, hypocricy"
Like that moron even knows what real democracy is, he was actually benefitting from it to be able to enact his little public spectacle in the first place. Just because the words rhyme throwing them together doesn't imbue them with relavance of one to the other.
It's always "help us, save us give us money" which is soon followed by their baying "death to America" Like a few years back in Tehran, when they were being killed in the streets, they held up English signs with the usual pleas for help from the U.S. and west (there were tons of the black-bag brigade present too)
That very same year 2010 - massive chants of "Death to Great Satan" no doubt many of the same ones who pleaded for "Great Satan" for help when the were being killed by THEIR OWN people
Hypocrisy on such a stupefying level is the very trademark of muzlums
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i7Wx-o61JvxB12qF9O_t0-nw--Nw?docId=CNG.827251c8451748f06ec8f6c79b2a2b8f.8c1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8109535/Iran-stages-mass-protest-on-anniversary-of-US-embassy-capture.html
To heck with the iranians in general and muzlums as a whole - they spew crap from both sides of their mouths
"How the West wrecked Libya.
Far from being a model for future interventions, Libya shows that meddling strangles the democratic impulse."
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/12173/
I hope nobody thinks McCain would have been even a speck better than Obama on the subject of intervention in Libya:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/08/22/senator_john_mccain_on_libya_111061.html
If McCain had been elected, we would have had exactly the same intervention, the same groveling to the Muslim countries, the same lies and equivocations about the danger of Sharia coming to the states:
except McCain could have claimed conservative credentials.
Similarly IND. . Got tears of fury streaming here too. My dad was a war-child, and went on to be an officer in SAS, so these bastards, as you so rightly call them, have got my blood boiling too.
"How the West wrecked Libya.
Far from being a model for future interventions, Libya shows that meddling strangles the democratic impulse."
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/12173/
Is this, or is this not what Dr. Ron Paul's message is?
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I say, Islam, go to hell!
Rather that wasting billions of our tax dollars on these thankless inbred losers, we should ignore their pleas for help and build up our national defense systems to that of second to none.
Don't get me wrong....Al Assad killed about 10,000 men, women, and children. But it took him a whole year. The U.S. could do twice that in a single day and not even break a sweat. Because of my hatred for islam I have got no problem with that. I just think we should save the price of all those bombs and technology and spend it defending our own nations borders. Let them do their own killing.
My mother's cousin is buried in the commonwealth forces cemetery at massicault in Tunisia. About a year and a half ago, the crucifix at the top of the cemetery was smashed down, and a number of the graves also. Nothing to do with any Koran burning. Naturally, it was dismissed as simple high-jinx of local youngsters.
I'm not sure what McCain has to do with grave desecration in Libya...No one knows what John 'would' have done because he didn't get elected...But we do know who decided to kill Libyans to save Libyans...And he has liberal credentials...
A very sad and pathetic spectacle indeed. Time I think for the Commonwealth War Garves Commission to exhume the remains of all these gallent servicemen and repatriate them from this barbaric Islamic hellhole to the safety and peace of their native soil. Bring them home now.
Don't expect to get thanked, expect instead to be stabbed in the back...That won't happen if you never turn your back to a Mahoundian...
You get angry when you watched this video, now imagine how angry I am! I live among those people and daily see the faces of who hate me and some want to kill me just because I believe different and how am I get angrier when I see none in the world want to act or when the free media in the world ignore and mispresent your case or some tell you are exaggerating ,BTW I live in egypt
The whole world is fed up with islam as much as I am, and would like to see it eliminated from society as much as I would. If anyone says they are not, their either one of them or they are lying.
The U.S. and the west just need to be patient, get the hell out of the middle east completely, and leave the killing up to the middle eastern officials. They seem to be doing a good enough job.
The best we can hope for as far as having a "hands on" approach is watching the streaming video sent out over the world wide web.
No one will ever convince me that there is anything in any islamic nation that can't be found somewhere else if it is needed that bad.
It's time to draw the line in the sand. Folks better jump on the side of the line that best suits them or forever hold their peace.
Israel has drawn their line and seem to be doing a fine job defending it. They just need a little help expanding a buffer zone around them. That's not too much to ask.
Border_Reiver said,
"A very sad and pathetic spectacle indeed. Time I think for the Commonwealth War Garves Commission to exhume the remains of all these gallent servicemen and repatriate them from this barbaric Islamic hellhole to the safety and peace of their native soil. Bring them home now."
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This is a great step toward drawing that line in the sand I wrote of.
ImNoDhimmi said,
"My dad was in the RAF in WWII. This video brought me to tears and I'm so angry I could choke on it. There goes the blood pressure again.
Who will call for an apology for this desecration? Who will speak for the dead?"
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You have my sympathy sir. I can only imagine the feeling.
It is sad to say that no demands for an apology will ever come from the cowardly appeasers that we have as leaders right now.
I swear.....A monkey would make a better leader than the one that is in the White House right now.
Just more evidence, if any was needed, that Islam is pretty much the religion of barbarians.
John
Imagine a world without Islam.
Nothing can be done about these graves, except this: to demand that there be NO entry of Muslims from Libya into the lands of the non-Muslims, and that any Libyan Muslim 'refugees' already present in places like Britain, should NOT be granted citizenship...or even an extension of residency.
Indeed, the entry not only of Libyan Muslims but of any kind of Muslims, has to be banned; and the reason for that ban should be, among many other things that could be cited, these appalling images of an allahu-akbaring mob, crazed with hatred for the Infidel and for our religious symbols, vandalising grave markers.
Never cease to tell everyone, especially our politicians: let us make no mistake, if we keep on letting Mohammedans into our countries, then sooner or later - probably sooner - these hideous scenes of vindictive sharia-driven hate-crazed Mohammedan allahu-akbaring vandalism in that war cemetery in Libya will be repeated, sickeningly, hideously, in every churchyard, every graveyard, every monument, every art gallery in the western world...and beyond the west.
If they could smash the Pieta, the David, the Moses to atoms with hammers, **they would do it**. They will do it the very instant they think they can get away with it.
If they could smash to bits the great Rose Window of Notre Dame or the glorious stained glass windows of Cologne Cathedral, **they would do it** and they **will do it**, the moment they think they are strong enough. Make no mistake: they will do it, some among them are probably already planning to do it, dreaming of doing it, talking to each other of the great day when they will do it.
If they could rip down the Rembrandts from the walls in that little museum in Holland, and tear them to shreds - or blow up that little jewel of a place that displays them, or burn it to ashes - **they would**. I would bet good money there are Mohammedans in the Netherlands right now planning - drooling, slavering, gloating at the thought - what they will do to the Rembrandts, and to lovely things like the Girl With the Pearl Earring.
If we want to keep safe all the myriad beautiful things that non-Muslim humanity has created - let alone the humble crosses and little kitschy statues of cherubs and weeping angels in hundreds of thousands of humble churchyards across the West and beyond it - then we HAVE to stop Muslim immigration, and start working out how to dislodge the existing Mohammedan colonies.
isn't it enough for these lunatics that the dead and buried infidels are burning in hell forever? Do they think that desecrating their graves will turn up the temperature?
Kaddafi never did this on his worse anti-Western tirade. Does that make Kaddafi a decent guy? No, it was probably just manipulation and a small recognition for kicking out the Nazis in WWII. Even Sadaam kept one synagogue open to show he was not completely intolerant. What this does show is these bastards are worse than Kaddafi.
Like Sina Ali said, this time is Islam's last stand before burning out. Without any secular dictators in the way, the buck stops and stalls with the imams.
Oops, that should be Ali Sina at www.faithfreedom.org
My late Father was also in the Eighth Army and sometimes talked of the hell of Benghazi as the Stukas attacked the harbour area. At that point he manned a searchlight which of course were the easy targets of flying down the beam.
Thankfully he made it back or I wouldn't be here but his memory of old pals never to be seen again came up, especially as he grew older.
His view of the locals was pretty disparaging. Untrustworthy, always on the make or scrounging and the pimps of all time selling a woman for half an hour at every opportunity. So much for Islamic chastity?
But we've seen this before. Those Buddhas at Bamiyan had stood for thousands of years only to be destroyed by these people who love to wreck anything and everything which affects their racist mindsets.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/05/fitzgerald-whats-at-stake.html
'Fitzgerald: What's At Stake'.
Anyone who has not yet seen this - and the comments thread that accompanied it - do please click on the link, and read.
It consists primarily of a list, of everything that will be destroyed if the Mohammedans take Europe.
It begins like this:
"The British Museum.
The Louvre.
The Prado.
The National Gallery.
The Uffizi.
The Rijksmeum.
Alte Pinakothek.
The Vatican Museum.
The Library at Chatsworth.
The Concertgebouw.
The canals of Venice.
The Piazza della Signoria.
Florence.
Umbria.
The Dulwich Gallery.
Paris.
Toledo"...
And it goes on, and on, and on.
And that is just *Europe*.
But everything unislamic - paintings of humans and beasts and spiritual beings, sculpture, music both sacred and profane - in every part of the world that is not currently ruled by Muslims but is being steadily infiltrated by Muslims - is similarly imperilled.
In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says your "lives and property" are not safe from him unless you become a Muslim
In Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two most canonical hadith collections:
Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5917:
Quoting Islam
It's time for the West to open its Doors to Christians to flee these islamic hell-holes and help negate the current damage being done from the year of these hell-holes shipping us their Pro-Shariah law toxic-waste to bilk our welfare systems and spead the islamic-supremacy hatred along with sanctioning the Misogynistic/homophobic/pedophilia practises of Iran,gaza,Saudi Arabia,Jordan,Egypt,Syria,Tunisia and most of the OIC hell-holes.
As long as the CBC in canada is in bed with the jihadists and islamists to purge a video like this, the Useful idiots in the Public Sector Unions and the Teachers Unions will still Boycott israel as evil while they ignore public murderings of females and homosexuals in iran and gaza by their peaceful buddies that use Taqqiyah to fool them.
The good news is that the Jihadist will start the beheadings with these same morons and actually do us a favour to purge the gene-pool of the idiot-dna or the Liberalism-DNA that seems to cause a death-wish with groups like the ACLU that now volunteer to be dupes and maybe help the islamic thiugs buy the same rope that will hang them.
Lest anyone missed it, the recent complete destruction of the Buddha statutes in the Maldives Islands museum:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/world/asia/political-turmoil-threatens-archaeological-treasures-in-maldives.html
Does anyone seriously think this is just "anti-Western" vandalism?
Scum, my dad was also in the RAF and was Jewish , and always said the day the grand mufti shook hands with shitler was the day he knew why he was dropping bombs on the filth of society. What a disturbing vid, please everyone send this one along. Gotta go hit the bag now before i burst with rage. That stone could have been anyones dad , as matter of fact I am going back to trace the name and send along the info to sources. Arrrg.
Might the Southern Poverty Law Center have some plays in their playbook about using legal means and publicity to shine the light of truth on what is happening and move people in new directions?
In this country they would sue perpetrators of such acts. Is it possible for the families of the RAF to sue for damages and restitution?
Certainly there is a place to challenge the Bengazi government about what direction people are going in.
But does there also need to be balance? If the West comes forward with just as much hate and contempt then the whole process just goes into a deeper and deeper downward spiral?
Traeh's quotes, though, from the hadith do need to be brought forth front and center for widespread discussion with the assertion that such hadiths must bow to the spirit of the following verse of the Qur'an?
256. Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error; whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 2)
Respectfully yours, TS
I am very concerned about the Paki Nukes. How many Quarn burnings will it take before they decide to play with the real fire? I hope we have our satellites hawking on these countries 24/7. Muslims are such clowns - no one can take them seriously. Imagine, a clown with a Nuk not knowing the real consequences - that's real scary. How did Islam got installed all over the Globe? We must have been all sleeping.
Let's not be so hard on those Libyans. After all, disrespectful soldiers burned Korans in Afghanistan.
Anyway, if they were calling them dogs, maybe they thought it was a pet cemetery, what with the Muslim dislike of dogs and the low literacy rate...
Let's not be so hard on those Libyans. After all, disrespectful soldiers burned Korans in Afghanistan.
How do you know the soldiers were disrespectful? And even if they were, is there a natural law of the universe that says, we must respect Islam? Islam will get respect when it earns it, which will be never...
With each passing year, I become more convinced that Islam is a plague to all mankind and thus the most efficacious approach to dealing with it is to section it off from the rest of mankind as far as possible (essentially the Hugh Fitzgerald prescription I believe). This will, of course, entail many legal and constitutional difficulties in one Western nation after another (ditto for non-Western nations, but it's in the West that a respect for law and constitutions is most honored and hence where the eternal parasite, Islam, can make its greatest strides, like a leach feeding upon the freedoms guaranteed by law and custom that the West has in greater abundance than any other culture), not to mention all the logistical obstacles to be overcome, but I see no other way since reforming Islam is no more realistic than would be reforming Nazism or Marxism.
As for Muslims already in non-Muslim nations, they need to be read a kind of riot act, much as the KKK or Neo-Nazi groups have been here in America. They and their putrid excuse for a religion can remain untouched as long as the more egregious actions upon loathsome Muslim beliefs (e.g., death for apostasy or death for mocking their fraudulent founder) do not occur. But Muslims in non-Muslim lands need to be made to feel that they are outcasts, losers, freaks, fringe human beings (just like KKK folks or Aryan nation rubes). AND, Muslim immigration to Wesern nations must cease. Find any pretext one has to, but the continued influx of parasitical Muslims (excuse the redundancy) to non-Muslim lands (escaping, in effect, their God-awfully run Muslim nations) must end, though once again the legalities entailed with this will be quite formidable. But extremism in the defense of liberty is indeed no vice, thank you Barry Goldwater, and Muslims have forced the hands of those who cherish liberty because, God knows, Islam and freedom are totally incompatible.
As an aside, if anyone out there would care to attempt to square Islam and freedom, I would be most interested in that argument. I say it can't be done except in an old Soviet kind of way, by which one is free to speak one's mind but, of course, if one criticizes the totalitarian ideology du jour, then one has abused freedom and thus should be silenced. Any takers? Any so-called moderate Muslims out there who want to take this on? Any Leftists?
What a monster Islam is. And what a shame Mohammed was ever born. He's right up there with Marx and Hitler as one of the most malevolently influential persons of all time. Mankind would have been far better off if these three miscreants had never existed. An unholy Trinity if ever there were one.
Although described as a Bristish war cemetary it is actually a Commonwealth one as there are hundreds of Australian war dead from the North African campaign buried there. Some of the headstones shown desecrated belonged to Australian servicemen. This would not be lost on those doing it - they would be fully aware that Australia as a US ally is in Afghanistan too. It was also reported in the media here (in comment by a so-called expert) that it was a political act aimed at protesting Western interference in the recent Libyan civil war, most likely by Libyan nationalists or remnant pro-Ghaddafi loyalists. Complete crap of course as they were obviously Muslim extremists who in their twisted minds were conducting a tit-for-tat for the 'desecration' (accidental burning) of Korans in Afghanistan. They said so in their posted video.
It never ceases to amaze me how the mainstream media will say anything else, no matter how obviously incorrect, rather than call it for what it is - yet another Muslim desecration of the symbols of Christianity.
And what would be the reaction in the Muslim world if some Muslim cemetaries in Western countries were desecrated in response? Lets see now - for every percieved offence there are dozens killed - Muslims killed by their fellow Muslims! Any percieved insult to Islam provokes the most hysterical reaction - every time. Yet why won't the media just simply report that? I think we all know the answer to that one!
dumbledoresarmy,
Thanks for the link to Hugh's very powerful post.
I remember the first time I read it - I sobbed thinking of all the treasures of western civilization, threatened with destruction by muslim hordes.
Hugh's post was a real eye-opener for me. At that point in time I had been learning about islam for a couple of years, mostly about the plight of muslim women and children, and the atrocites committed in the name of "religion". I've learned a lot since then. Now all I care about is protecting our culture and civilization from islam, and keeping immigrants from islamic countries out of the west.
By failing to report it correctly, the damned media are simply aiding and abetting those bastards who desecrate the graves of our sacred war dead.
No, Duh_Swami,
Didn't Christians wreak revenge on Muslims after the bombings in Nigeria and the killing of Copts in Egypt? Didn't Christians rampage through Muslim neighborhoods, looting and burning, blowing up mosques and desecrating Muslim cemeteries? Aren't the Christians persecuting Muslims everywhere, and therefore, how can you not see the justice in these acts?
right on
jewdog please tell me you are being sourcastic!
I just hope that my sarcasm makes my points. I don't mind if some people take me seriously and hate me; it's for a good cause. The amazing thing is that there really are a lot of people who think along such lines. Some of them actually have important jobs writing for prestigious publications. It may even be a job requirement in some cases.
Just a reminder to everybody who know it very well:
This is Islam and Muslims folks. They don't have an iota of gratefulness to anybody and of course they have no conscience. Unfortunately, the Western leaders are just plain stupid in helping Muslims anywhere in the world - just like the snake mentioned in another post, they will always bite you. They believe in cutting the hands that feed them, that is their definition of gratefulness.
The Mohammedists act like Vampires when they confront The Cross and Star of David.
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We haven't heard the end of this yet, folks. There are some extremely angry voices on the blogosphere about this atrocity. The perpetrators need to be punished. If they aren't, I swear to God I will begin burning Korans publicly.
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I guess Barry's too busy partying and campaigning to register his usual, "strongly-worded" condemnation.
That clown needs to demand that every, last one of those graves be repaired and a 24-hour guard posted, hencewith, with orders to shoot on site anyone creating mischief and committing further desecration. Either that, or demand payment to have remains shipped with full honors to the home countries of the dead, should their families wish it.
jewdog, like you dude , you've been around for awhile and I knew you were probably just yanking chains..good one!
Compare and contrast these cases: In the recent uproar over burnt Qurans in Afghanistan, Muslims used damage to Qurans as an excuse to kill people; but in the U.S. when a grandmother was being attacked by pit bulls, Christians damaged Bibles to try to save a life:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid35146470001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAACC1laJk~,tMO2d6O4midjZXg1vCvdWWjRZdwrH9hC&bctid=1456566720001
h/t Rhonda Griggs, via Eric Allen Bell
MUHAMMAD ON SIN AND SINCERITY
In core Islamic texts, Muhammad makes sacred a shame/honor culture of hypocrisy, in which the appearance of virtue is more important than virtue itself
For example in Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection:
On 1/17/2011, Robert Spencer, commenting on certain Islamic modes of behavior, referred to "...a culture of hypocrisy in which the appearance of virtue is far more important than virtue itself."
Think for a moment about the above canonical hadith, which says Allah will forgive all the sins of Muslims, if Muslims conceal their sins from each other.
Does that not help explain the Islamic shame/honor culture, which leads Muslims to commit over 90% of honor killings worldwide?
The above hadith seems barely distinguishable from saying that God permits you to do anything, so long as you can get away with it.
It also seems tantamount to saying that almost the only unforgivable sin is to reveal one's sins.
Thus Muhammad twists the all- or nearly-all-forgiving nature of some religious teachings into an all-forgiveness conditional upon lying.
A justification sometimes given for the hadith quoted is that it stops the sinner from giving a bad example to others to follow. It prevents contagion. But that's a poor benefit for instituting the diabolical stipulation that Allah will forgive any sin provided one conceals it.
Muhammad's giving of blanket permission slips for all sins, in exchange for shrouding them in darkness, is a gruesome tradeoff. Muhammad gave away a treasure (inner conscience) in exchange for an empty strong box (mere discretion).
Yikes! The Uncle for whom I got the English form of my name served in the US Army in its North Africa campaign. His view of the locals in Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia was an echo of what your father told you about the Egyptians and Libyans--it embarrassed the heck out of us kids as we grew up in the era when the PeeCee/EmCee culture was just beginning.
Benghazi: "A year ago they begged for Britain’s help," and now they desecrate British war graves
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That pretty much sums it up...
I'm sure everyone who watched the video took note of the vandals' screams of "Allahu Akbar!" as they desecrated the graves.
And did you notice, as they destroyed the headstone with the Jewish star, the mutterings of "Israeli" and "Hebrian"? Those who claim Muslims are not antisemitic, but merely critical of Israeli policies, should watch this.
This is the grave of a Jewish British serviceman who died several years before the founding of Israel—yet the thugs gleefully conflate the two.
And what little brains these barbarians have are put towards devising strategies for destroying the cemetery's memorial cross. What a bunch of savages.
johnmatt wrote:
My mother's cousin is buried in the commonwealth forces cemetery at massicault in Tunisia. About a year and a half ago, the crucifix at the top of the cemetery was smashed down, and a number of the graves also. Nothing to do with any Koran burning...
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I'm saddened but not surprised, johnmatt. Muslims have a long and ugly "tradition" of desecrating the graves of Infidels.
*Of course* these barbarities horrify me. But—God help me—I've become so inured to these atrocities that all I can think is that at least they aren't butchering people this time.
God, I hate Islam.
Thomas Pellow wrote, citing an article:
"How the West wrecked Libya.
Far from being a model for future interventions, Libya shows that meddling strangles the democratic impulse."
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With all due respect, Thomas, this isn't so. There was *never* any "democratic impulse" there for us to strangle.
NATO's involvement with aiding the rebels in Libya was wrongheaded and foolish, given how many of them are Jihadists, and whose vision for Libya is in most cases even darker than was Muamar Gadaffi's.
But there was no Western involvement in Egypt's revolution, and they are still electing an "Islamist" government and imposing Shari'ah there.
The situation in Libya is very much of a piece.
A few seconds of the video was all I could stomach.
We must stand up to these barbarians. We must!
The only thing that this muslim mob of sociopaths accomplished was to prove--once again--just how heartless and soulless muslims are. And of course they were stupid enough to videotape their evil deeds, so this will help police track down these criminals and throw them all in prison where they belong. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
This is and always has been a religious war.
Unfortunately, the West after having "evolved" to post-Christian stage believes that it can not be a target to conquer, convert and subjugate by Islam. An illusion comparable to a nun who believes she can not be raped because of her vows of chastity.
If we are not willing to see the religious nature of the war then we will be forced to fight it on a field where we are severely disadvantaged by our self imposed manacles of "tolerance and respect for others" and paralyzed by the fear of being racist, perpetrators of "hate crime", "human rights" violators, religious bigots...etc. With the millions of moslems already in the west such war will be impossible to win definitely and, because of that, the political, personal or religious freedom we once knew will not be available to us again. Beides, it will cost rivers of blood on both sides.
The surest way to win a religious war is to destroy the threatening religion. The sooner the better and the least lethal for both us and muhammedans.
Ironically, although the West today is historically "religiously weakest" it can destroy islam in a matter of minutes and in, principle at least, without having to destroy mohammedans lives.
The West can melt Kaaba with a single missile and watch islam melting down before its eyes. I pray for a bunch of good men, (or evil rebels if needed) to get control over the means necessary for driving a stake through the heart of the vampire.
Indeed, can we offer a better gift for our children and children's children than the world without Islam?
Have you noticed that whenever Muslims gather, someone gets hurt or something gets destroyed? No doubt about it Islam is the religion of peace....
This is not directly related to this blog now but it is worth noting. I was with a liberal friend today and trying to talk about the Iranium problem. Without letting me say much he got angry and told me that (in so many words) the anger of the Iranian government was justified because of our past treatment of Iran and other Middle Eastern countries. I could not say anything as I was shocked. So where is that these people are getting the info that we have this Muslim problem all over because of what we do or did. Who is the enemy here? I'd say US.
My blood boils at this and I can't believe that there are still Leftist coward idiots out there who mollycoddle Muslims and haven't got the sense to realise that Islam is evil to the core. Believe me, these arrogant dhimmis are just as guilty as their Muslim bedfellows!
It's so typical of these inbred Islamist throwbacks to have no conscience or show no gratitude, the back-stabbing, treacherous pieces of excrement that they are. We should give no more assistance to the Middle East, kick all Muslims out of the West, and isolate the Arab World from the rest of humanity, giving support only to Israel and the Christian minorities that are stranded in these hellholes.
They need us more than we need them and they need to learn this the hard way. Libya, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and so on, go and rot, rot in the desert, eat your own shit for dinner, and leave human beings alone in peace, you disgusting, filthy Satanic worms!
ladies and gentlemen
I encourage everyone to click on the link to the 'Daily Mail' story in situ, and - as I did - read through the 800+ reader Comments.
Feel free to add comments - I think it's still open slather.
Even if you don't feel like commenting, you can click the existing comments up or down according as to whether you agree with what the person is saying, or not. Have fun! I clicked 'up' on all those comments that evinced an understanding or a hint of an understanding that what is motivating these vandals is Islam, Islam, Islam: the Quranically-inculcated hatred of, and desire to crush, humiliate, hurt, subjugate or simply **obliterate** anyone and anything not-Islam.
There were also plenty of comments showing that many people - not only in Britain but in other non-Muslim countries - are well aware of the fact that if we don't stop letting Mohammedans into our countries, they will do this kind of sh*t in *our* graveyards, too.
For example, one commenter wrote simply - 'Soon to happen here' (i.e. in Britain). And another wrote - There's one reason these stones have been attacked and it's staring you in the face...they have crosses on. That's what they'd like to do to Christians and churches. Wake up before it's too late.
- waguitarman, nottingham england, 5/3/2012 2:35
And another:
This happens in the UK as well by these people [i.e. by Muslims - dda] but the media don't talk about it.
- Terry, London, 4/3/2012 22:00
And another:
Unfortunately, the faith of these people bread intolerance for any other faiths. Surely this then should set the alarm bells ringing in ALL countries that have people of this faith, as ultimately this is what they would do to you in your own countries.
- spring, essex, 4/3/2012 21:25
Another:
What these people did is horrific - however I do wonder how long it will be before the 'believers' do the same to graves in Britain that show Christian symbols. Food for thought - close your borders now !!!
- joan, australia, 4/3/2012 17:23
And this succinct observation and warning:
This will happen in Britain when there are enough of them.
- John, Bedfordshire, England, 4/3/2012 19:53
But here's perhaps the most telling comment of all: a guy who was in National Service in the 1950s, and spent some time in Libya, back then.
"When I was a young man in the early 50s, I was stationed in Benghazi during my Nat Service.
"This was not all that long after the war had ended there and one of our sergeants had served with the LRDG.
"When we went out into the desert on exercises we sometimes found the skeletons of British/Commonwealth soldiers lying beside the shallow graves where they had been hastily buried during battle. These men were officially still listed as MIA, so finding their graves was important to their families.
"Tragically the local people had often found them first but,** instead of reporting the find, they had dug up the grave to see what they could steal and often removed any identifying material. They then left the bones to be lost in the sand. ** {my emphasis - dda}
I have stood to attention several times in that cemetery in Benghazi whilst some soldier was laid to rest.
I was sickened at the contemptable behaviour of the Libyans then and I am sickened again now, over 50 yrs later, though not surprised."
- EB, Milton Keynes, 5/3/2012 0:54
In other words: the only thing that should surprise us about this episode is that the mob of allahu-akbaring Mohammedans seem to have confined themselves to knocking over and smashing headstones and crosses, rather than bringing shovels **and disinterring the remains of the dead and kicking them about**.
Another Briton who had spent time in Libya, backed up EB:
As an ex serviceman who served in Libya, disgusted! but not surprised.
- Baz, Bury St Edmunds UK, 5/3/2012 2:02.
And to finish off with, two very apposite comments by persons identifying as Italians.
What the D. Mail forgot to add was the desecration of the Italian soldiers cemetery who dies in the desert a well as the British. My father was in the Folgore (the one who Churchill cited in dispatches in the House) he came back, out of his batallion only 10 returned home. 5.200 died at El Alemein. SO much for civilizing these people. Italy for years helped boat load of Libyan refugees and this is the thanks... I am sure we will remember next time a boat arrives at Lampedusa how to welcome them
- Loris, Milan, 5/3/2012 3:12
they also smash up the grave of Italian soldiers...and the Regiment of the "Folgore"the one i was belong..and the one who Churcill mention on the house of commons to...we also help those bedouins...and give civiliziation...next time they turn up with boats on the italian coast i will call cap.schettino [that is, the guy who captained the cruise liner that sank recently - dda] to drive they boat".
- tony, rome, 5/3/2012 3:36
PS - Among the comments you will find a few that self-identify as Muslims, mostly from the UK, frantically trying to convince the kafir not to believe their lying eyes as regards what is abundantly on display in the video. I took great pleasure in red-arrowing these Muslim commenters, who are very transparently engaging in what can only be called Damage Control. I'm not sure that anyone much was believing them...
Why those Islamophobic scum, in that video. Surely they're part of the backlash against Islam and Muslims for the charges of terrorism spawned by ignorant, reactionary, American/European bigots and racists...
Oh. Oh, I see. Well, one man's excrement is another man's excuse.
The Brits ought to take their face-recognition software (developed to deter football houliganism) and use it to identify the filth in this video. Then have British intelligence services locate their residences, and give that targeting information to the RAF. There are some RAF missions over Libya yet to be flown that need to be flown. Then send in the football houligans to mop-up the man-dress wearing scum that had Hitler-luck when the bombs hit.
Sam Arisan - do I understand you correctly? Who is the enemy here - I'd say the U.S.?
Are you for real? Surely you must know the muzz have been fighting everyone on the planet and also themselves since shortly after madmo died, long before the U.S. existed, never mind U.S. foreign policy!
If I got your drift you actually BLAME THE U.S. for the muzz being out of control? If so, P.F.O.! take your irrational anti-american hate and go to HuffPo they would be sure to appreciate ilk like yourself! NEXT!
The Muslims desecrating the graves of the dead are behaving like 7th century heathens....hey! wait a minute...
The next thing you will see will be the Muslims converting the dead to Islam...they've done it before...
More Muslims desecrating Infidel graves:
"Muslim Palestinians Desecrate Christian Graves - UN Silent"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP9BazI-_js
This story is from 2009.
And this:
"But they really, really want peace: Muslims desecrate Jewish graves at Mount of Olives"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/but-they-really-really-want-peace-muslims-desecrate-jewish-graves-at-mount-of-olives.html
and this:
"Jerusalem: Muslims desecrate Jewish graves, stone funeral processions, attack visitors"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/03/jerusalem-muslims-desecrate-jewish-graves-stone-funeral-processions-attack-visitors.html
More Muslim stoning funeral processions:
"Muslims Pelt Coptic Christian Funeral Procession with Stones"
http://www.estatevaults.com/lm/archives/2011/10/20/muslims_pelt_co.html
And it's already begun in the West:
"Netherlands: 'One dog less' -- Young Muslims jeer and mock at Christian funerals, pound hearse with their fists"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/netherlands-one-dog-less----young-muslims-jeer-and-mock-at-christian-funerals-pound-hearse-with-thei.html
Where does this appalling Muslim penchant to desecrating Infidels' funerals and cemeteries come from?
Here's the 7th-century Pact of Umar, with its restrictions on dhimmis:
"We shall not display our crosses or our books in the roads or markets of the Muslims. We shall use only clappers in our churches very softly. *We shall not raise our voices when following our dead*. We shall not show lights on any of the roads of the Muslims or in their markets. *We shall not bury our dead near the Muslims*." [emphasis mine—GI]
It dates back to the very beginnings of Islam.
Here you go again shooting off your foot because you think you know it all.
Sam Arisan was talking about US. Not U.S.
Had you actually read his post instead of scanning and assuming from his moniker he's a mohammadan, like you did with me you, you would have noted he was relaying what he'd heard from a leftist.
The leftist problem IS our problem because we let them get away with far too much. The leftist problem is creating the mohammadan problem and it appears Sam is having an epiphany to that effect.
If you had actually been paying attention to Sam's previous posts, which you clearly don't as your screeching hair trigger yet again confirms, Sam is of the "let's deport/kick the crap out of mohammadans" school of thought.
So yet again you've ostracized, attempted to belittle, and possibly chased away someone who is, unfortunately(for them), on the same side as you.
Hair trigger clowns like you are as dangerous as the mohammadans because you're too bloody stupid to discern friend from foe.
Istanbul your true colours are once again showing. You have not yet left all your mohammedan leanings behind.
Wrong again you screeching shrew.
I have no sympathy for mohammadans.
I also have no sympathy for ignorant shrews who consistently attack friend because they're too thick to read and comprehend, assume a person's identity through i.d.s, and too obtuse to understand sarcasm because they don't know who is who.
I am with you on this one, dda.
I have said it before and I will say it again. I will continue saying it until it becomes a reality world wide.
Three things must happen in order for the United States to be free and safe from Islamic violence.
1) ALL muslims immigration into the U.S. must be banned.
2) ALL muslims already in the U.S. must be deported/exiled.
3) ALL muslims attempting to enter the U.S. illegally must be shot on sight.
It wasn't just Christian and Jewish graves that were desecrated in the Benghazi cemetery.
Graves of Gurkha, Sikh and other Hindu soldiers were also desecrated.
For example grave stones of the 5th Maratha Light Infantry were destroyed.
Basically anywhere they saw a Cross, Star or an Om, they attacked.
watch?v=v_yejeSZdwU&feature=related
the ideology has a penchant for it
And this!
watch?v=v_yejeSZdwU&feature=related
the ideology has a penchant for it
No one should be in the slightest bit surprised of course.
And note the irony of the targets, as mentioned in the introduction: the Jihadists got the chance to desecrate infidel graves because of the NATO ( infidel ) planes.
Same as Kosovo and Metohija.
In the days following KLA/NATO's takeover, a huge statue immortalising the Yugoslav partisans Boro ( an ethnic Serb ) and Ramiz ( an ethnic Albanian ) in the village of Landovica was destroyed. In it's place a monument to fallen AL Qaeda terrorists was built.
NATO troops stood and watched as it was destroyed.
Ah the irony.
That should have read "a monument to fallen Al Qaeda linked terrorists was built"
Bloody Mondays.
Good Morning,
The morons who did this made a grave mistake, stupidity, naivety, anger and a love for the Koran made them do this.
They did not even try to target only Americans ....just everybody....it is childish, thuggish and unacceptable behavior and the perpetrators MUST be jailed for these crimes.
We should keep things in perspective though, however hurtful, graves of the dead were damaged, physical damage to property was done, physiological damage was done, but there was not anybody who got injured or killed.
Your "solution" is an over-reaction if I ever saw one; i.e. No Libyan to be allowed to live, work, or become a citizen of a Western country....what about a right to breathe oxygen....is that OK?
Dee Walid
Why don't we just rush around killing them, like they did over the Koran burning?I expect Obama will also demand apologies and Court appearances for the perpetrators? No? Oh, well - what did I expect? Camoron should do that? No chance - he is as dhimmi as Obama!
they keep referring to them as 'extremists',
Australians are just as fed up as everyone else.
In reply to Thee Wally. These muslim thugs that loved the korant so much that they murder riot and desecrate war graves. Yes nobody was hurt this time but how many people were physically hurt by the burning of a few korants.No-one .You are a sad deluded apologist of the worst sort.
This reply is a day late and a dollar short.....Huh?
Good afternoon,
you ask "how many people were physically hurt by the burning of a few korants (SIC)?
I think about 20-30 people so far globally, thanks to American soldier "fun" at Bhagram.
EZ Rider - I admire what you say, but their homelands are also now in the hateful grip of mohammedans, so no peace or tranquility there, either. The nihilist, hate-filled, paedo, civilisation-destroyers are just about everywhere now!
I think about 20-30 people so far globally, thanks to American soldier "fun" at Bhagram.
No, you pathetic liar. It is thanks to muhammedan zombies who follow the call for murder contained in the kuran. The message that keeps on killing.
As I said before, destroy the horrid religion of muhammad by melting Kaaba. That will ensure that regardless of how much fun one has with the wretched kuran nobody will die.
Islam is killing humanity and humans at increasing pace. It is time for humans to cut off the head of the monster. The sooner the better.
Why get involved, indeed.
Let this be yet another unheeded lesson to all of us in the West that words from the likes of these Islamists mean nothing, their pleas for help mean nothing, are merely opportunistic, and.....any help granted means nothing; these Islamic savages only care for their moment.
Moreover, why can't we learn from our past experiences that there's no such thing as a "moderate movement"; let those self-called "moderates" do the "helping" of their co-religionist-moderates. This is nothing but taqiyya bulls**t.
Denying this increasingly amplified polarity between Islam and all of us in the West is simply and stupidly....naive.
In reply to Thee Wally; words fail me.Are you so wrapped up in your veil and your senseless religion that you cant see the difference between damaging a book and killing people. also what about the muslims who "defaced" the korant so they could pass coded messages. Come on Wally get a grip on real life.
well, well yet again, istanbully goes all out with the name calling, sticking her big nose in something that has nothing to do with her, my my such a hairtrigger temper, reminds me of some people that this site is about, it's YOU being the screaming shrew - this is the last time I will lower myself to reply to you - ever heard of anger management, there are courses for that you know, you should sign up
The Muslimah says:
"...thanks to American soldier "fun" at Bhagram."
_______________________________________________
Hey, you know what? Screw you, you damned Mohammedist.
Nobody was having any fun, and they still aren't.
Go back to trying to talk with the other 3 wives.
The appalling Dee Walid wrote:
Good Morning,
The morons who did this made a grave mistake, stupidity, naivety, anger and a love for the Koran made them do this.
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Why do "stupidity' and "anger" so frequently accompany a "love of the Koran"? Might it have something to do with the *contents* of that vile tome?
More:
They did not even try to target only Americans ....just everybody....it is childish, thuggish and unacceptable behavior and the perpetrators MUST be jailed for these crimes.
.......................................
Well! If these "naive" Muslims had only been desecrating *American* graves, everything would have been hunky-dory...
More:
We should keep things in perspective though, however hurtful, graves of the dead were damaged, physical damage to property was done, physiological damage was done, but there was not anybody who got injured or killed.
.......................................
Well, I find I have to agree with Dee Walid here.
Muslims are so destructive and murderous that I find myself, when confronted with appalling acts such as church burning, museum destruction, or desecration of a cemetery as here, thinking, "well, at least they weren't butchering innocent people this time, as they are so wont to do".
*That's* how low my expectations are for Muslims at this point.
More, in reply to poster ecosse14:
you ask "how many people were physically hurt by the burning of a few korants (SIC)?
I think about 20-30 people so far globally, thanks to American soldier "fun" at Bhagram.
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Like so many Muslims, "Dee Walid" has absolutely *no* grasp of cause and effect.
American soldiers were not responsible for a single one of these deaths. The victims were all butchered by her vicious coreligionists.
Incidentally, surely "Dee Walid" knows that these Qur'ans at Bagram has *already* been desecrated by Jihadists using them to pass terrorist messages. Like all Muslims—so far, at least—she chooses not to address that issue.
But then, Jihad terrorism is just fine with her.
Hear, hear, Gravenimage! ...your entire reply to "Dee Walid" is spot on!
Ecosse, Dee's religion is probably the brown eyes of her husband. I'm all for love between husbands and wives (my wife and I are already grandparents), but I don't think Dee Walid has much sound knowledge one way or the other about any religion, including Islam.
Hey Guys,
The Islam religeion allows for the desicration of the Koran.
If you are under the thumb of the Ifidels. Thats US', then you may use any means to free yourselves from the those in power. Lie, cheat, steal or any other means to free yourselves and continue the advancement of Islam.
Need we say more?
''Your "solution" is an over-reaction if I ever saw one; i.e. No Libyan to be allowed to live, work, or become a citizen of a Western country....what about a right to breathe oxygen....is that OK''
Breathe all you want dear, just don't do it in a Western country.
Jan wrote, replying to "Dee Walid":
Breathe all you want dear, just don't do it in a Western country.
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Alas, Jan, that is exactly where "Dee Walid" is doing her breathing. Right in your own backyard, too, I'm afraid.
She is a vicious and foolish British "revert" married to a Muslim there, and hard at work on Da'wa with her fellow Brits. When she first appeared here, she was trying to pimp two of her English co-workers out to Muslim men. *Ugh*.
Thanks, Champ. Hope you are doing well!
Wellington wrote:
"With each passing year, I become more convinced that Islam is a plague to all mankind..."
Perhaps a year will pass soon down the pike when you will graduate from your focus on Islam to the Muslims who make it the plague it is on Mankind, and without which it would not be a plague, but merely a bunch of paper and ink and inert ideas.
gravenimage wrote:
"God, I hate Islam."
Islam is just a set of ideas on paper. When are you going to redirect your hatred onto a more pertinent focus -- Muslims? It's silly to "hate" Islam. But it's sensible to hate the Muslims who make Islam the dangerous, unjust, evil and intolerant reality it can be -- when put into practice.
Only human beings can put ideas into practice. Ideas do nothing by themselves; and therefore hating them is silly.
"Desecrated: The shocking video of Churchill's Desert Rats' graves being smashed to rubble... by the Libyans we helped liberate,"
Glad to see Canadian PM Stephen Harper is addressing this issue.
LemonLime wrote:
Only human beings can put ideas into practice. Ideas do nothing by themselves; and therefore hating them is silly.
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I don't believe hating ugly ideas is silly, LemonLime.
But certainly it is true that if Muslims were not putting the vicious tenets of Islam into practice on a regular basis, this would simply not be an issue.
I'm not spending a lot of time decrying Aztec human sacrifice or the immolation of children by their parents in the worship of Moloch, for instance, for obvious reasons—despite the vile nature of these practices.
I hate Muslims to the exact degree that they practice or enable this savagery.
''She is a vicious and foolish British "revert" married to a Muslim there, and hard at work on Da'wa with her fellow Brits''
She's lousy at it though.
gravenimage,
Thanks for the clarification. I'm glad we agree on the conclusion, although I still feel it's silly to hate an idea. Perhaps it's just a semantic thing. I can detest an idea, but not hate it -- as the latter implies a human element to me. Of course, people use the word "hate" all the time to refer to impersonal things or situations -- e.g., "I hate my job"; but I think it's safe to say that we Jihad Watchers don't hate Islam/Muslims in the same way as a person "hates his job", since the latter is a trivialization of the meaning tantamount to a misuse of the word.