Egypt: MP proposes Sharia punishments: crucifixion and amputation

From the beginning of the "Arab Spring," I said here and elsewhere that it was not a democracy movement, as the Western press was claiming, but an Islamic supremacist pro-Sharia takeover that would result in the creation of Islamic states that would be far more hostile to the U.S. and Israel than the Arab nationalist regimes they were supplanting. This assessment was greeted with the usual scorn: the Islamic supremacist media machine charged "Islamophobia," on Fox Juan Williams said I was "fearmongering," and the usual suspects made the usual ad hominem attacks. Yet everything that has happened since then has shown that I was right all along.

But Islamic supremacists and their allies and useful idiots in the mainstream media continue to peddle their soothing lies. The Islamic supremacist and adolescent mudslinger Reza Aslan was at West Virginia University last night speaking about the developments in the Middle East, and heaping more steaming piles of what he calls analysis on the hapless marks in his audience. "Believe it or not," Aslan said, and anyone with eyes in his head will opt for "not," "the greatest single aspiration in the region at this moment is to achieve democracy." Slyly implying that those who have cast doubts on this alleged wonderful flowering of democracy are motivated by racism, he continued: "It does not matter where you pray or what skin color you were born with; democracy is a fundamental right of life." He also, according to the report on his talk in the campus paper, "aimed to debunk that the Arab Spring is an Islamic takeover. This myth is simply an American paradox due to the primary belief that we live in a secular country that easily separates church and state, he said." Ah yes, of course. "There is not much difference between us and them," Aslan said. "These groups now have the opportunity to come out of the mosque and to market ideas and see how they can come to life in reality."

Yes, "there is not much difference between us and them." After all, we all want to cover women in burqas and enslave them to their husbands, brutalize and terrorize non-Muslims, murder apostates from Islam, and extinguish the freedom of speech, don't we? And apparently one way these Egyptian parliamentarians hope to "come to life in reality" is by crucifying people and amputating their limbs. Yet as always, it doesn't matter how outstandingly wrong and deceptive politically correct spokesmen are. It doesn't matter that none of their predictions ever come true, or that everything they said was nothing to be concerned about turns out to be a matter of major concern. There is never any accountability for them at all -- that a clown like Reza Aslan gets invited to speak at any university at all, while those who are consistently correct are demonized and marginalized, is a measure of how debased and politicized American academia and the public square in general have become.

"MP proposes Sharia punishments for murder, theft crimes," translated from Al-Masry Al-Youm at Egypt Independent, March 14 (thanks to Twostellas):

The People’s Assembly Proposals and Complaints Committee discussed in a meeting Tuesday a bill proposed by MP Adel Azzazy from the Salafi-oriented Nour Party that would apply Islamic law for certain crimes.

The proposed law calls for the application of “Heraba,” an Islamic penalty for criminal actions that include overt robbery, murder, forcible taking of property with a weapon and vandalizing public facilities.

The penalties according to Azzazy’s bill are execution in the case of murder, or cutting one arm and one leg from opposite sides of the culprit’s body in the cases of robbery and forcible taking of property. If the taking of possessions is accompanied by murder, the penalty would be death or crucifixion, to be determined by the judge.

This is in accord with the Qur'an: "This is the recompense of those who fight against God and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement" (5:33).

The bill also stipulates imprisonment for intimidating citizens, and that the prison sentence will end when the felon repents.

These penalties would only be imposed on adult, mentally stable wrongdoers who either commit the crimes or assist in carrying them out, according to the bill.

Policemen are entitled to treat felons with force after warning them, and are also entitled to shoot them dead. But if they surrender or are wounded, policemen are obliged not to hurt them, the proposed law says.

Stolen possessions should be returned to their owners, the law says, but it stipulates that if their owners are unknown, they should be put in the state's treasury. For murders, citizens affected by the crime should be given the options of retribution, receiving compensation or granting amnesty.

“This is God’s law and is not optional,” Azzazy said, commenting on his proposal. “The current penalties are not deterrent enough.”

MP Gamal Heshmat from the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party praised the bill. He said that under former People’s Assembly Speaker Sufi Abu Taleb, draft laws were adjusted to match Islamic Sharia but were later shelved intentionally.

But the assembly’s committee asked Azzazy to reformulate the bill after the Justice Ministry’s representative, Haytham al-Baqly, criticized its lack of accuracy, saying that many of its stipulations are found in existing laws.

According to Parliament’s bylaws, the Proposals and Complaints Committee, after approving the law, should submit it to the Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee, which would write a report on it before slating a session to reach a final resolution.

UPDATE: I added a comment at the West Virginia University paper site, showing the falsity of Aslan's remarks, but the comment was removed. Another academic bastion of free inquiry and honest debate reveals itself.

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The verb translated to "slaughtered" in v 5:33 is yuqattalu, which is (I believe) the participle of taqteel, which means to "kill in a very painful manner."

So, ignoring crucifixion, someone simply executed would be killed in such a grotesque and painful way that it would be beyond the pale of modern sensibilities, such as stoning (rajim), etc.

http://books.google.com/books?id=04B-mS2SPpcC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=yuqattalu&source=bl&ots=z1TaNAsko8&sig=UvSmh_Ih7lUCipDAANWnJkc9oK4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4wRNT8_JKcTYqgGp8IzFDg&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=yuqattalu&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=bB4UAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=yuqattalu&source=bl&ots=vR7rDe4GvH&sig=IKn9EezhD5fiHRxqizFWS9B37hs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4wRNT8_JKcTYqgGp8IzFDg&sqi=2&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Stonings, crucifixion, opposite body amputations and heaven knows what other cruel & barbaric punishments they can come up with and they whine when we rightfully call them savages? It's absolutely appalling.

And as far as "democracy" goes, their definition is not in any way, shape or form the same as ours. If I had to guess I'd say that to them "democracy" means the freedom to live under sharia. Whoopee!

The subtext of shariah, of course, is that if you murder a non-Muslim, take their property, kidnap their daughters, falsely accuse them of ‘blasphemy, intimidate or terrorize them, or vandalize or destroy their places of worship, your punishment is … public exaltation 'in a pleasurable manner.'

Maybe Aslan would define the divinely mandated double standards and inequality inherent to shariah as "equality" and "justice" and "peace" for all citizens and "tolerance" of non-Muslims or, per Obama, "fairness."

Differences do a difference make. Minimizing, ignoring, denying, or deliberately obfuscating them does not make them less stark or invisible to those who can see.

"..and he (Muhammad) had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, .."

But remember:
"We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures." (Qur'an 21:107)

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2012/03/muhammad-and-torture.html

Remember last year when leftists were ever so smug about how the Arab Spring showed the world that the Islamic world was full of happenin' Facebooking secular liberal sophisticates who were just like us?

I'm beginning to suspect this may not be 100% true.

See Reza Aslan and Dalia Mogahed are all delivering the same message on these emerging governments - people wanting to believe something - when one's own eyes don't count - that this increased religiosity and rise in political Islam - is nothing at all for the west to worry about.

But people mistake talking up their religious motives for objectivity:

He also,.. "aimed to debunk that the Arab Spring is an Islamic takeover. This myth is simply an American paradox due to the primary belief that we live in a secular country that easily separates church and state,

The carefully constructed argument for continued support of the Arab Spring - is actually a presentation of his own religious beliefs in defense of the formation of the Islamic state - this is not objective - its a religious confirmation of beliefs shared by Muslims the world over.


Race Card - As crowd control

Obviously the race card is more than a little useful in warding off unwanted scrutiny of one's religious beliefs [I mean ideas].

"It does not matter where you pray or what skin color you were born with...

It certainly does matter where you pray in Egypt!! And color is not an issue!

Sounds like Reza's trying to get elected!!

Terrorism is so passé!!

...democracy is a fundamental right of life."

Support for democracy is the new - 'I don't support terrorism' - jargon.

Whereas before you would have to say, I don't support terrorism, and everyone began to cheer. Obviously the real statement would be more like - although I do support the formation of an Islamic state - I don't support terrorism - to achieve it.

Now all one has to do to gain the favourite Muslim status - is to say is that you 'support democracy'... but this time he can say a little bit more... but... that the formation of an Islamic state through democratic means - is nothing to worry about - religiosity in these newly emerging Islamic states is a good thing.


But few in the audience would say aloud with excitement - he wants to achieve an Islamic theocratic state through democracy - and rather than experience the gulp in their throat - at the thought of this reality - they fall back to the security of the 'race card' and at least I'M NOT AN ISLAMOPHOBE - and the override-mindset that is involved in agreeing to a path that is counter-intuitive.

They are stoning people for having the wrong haircut in Iraq!! Harsh punishments previously only seen, openly carried out in Pakistan Tribal/Afghanistan and Somalia!

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But more than implying the others /detractors [not present] are all racists-at-heart - by raising the 'race card' as Reza did - he also warns people in his audience - that is what will happen - if you disagree with me and my personal religious position.

Boy Aslan:

"It does not matter where you pray or what skin color you were born with; democracy is a fundamental right of life."
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To Boy Aslan:

Oh no it's NOT, boy!

Democracy is formed, sculpted, sacrificed for, bled-over and cherished by those who truly know it. If it were a "right", then there would be no problem attempting to convince Muslim Apologists that Islam and Democracy are incompatible. As it is, we hear day in and day out from MuslimLandia, that Democracy is anathema to Islam and the Sharia.

Anyway, "rights" to political systems is an absurd notion, on its face. This is why Jefferson decried "pure democracy", as a form of "mob rule".
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And I still want a boxing match, Boy Aslan. I would really like to see if you could last 3 rounds without being knocked out.

And one more thing:

"This is God’s law and is not optional,' Azzazy said, commenting on his proposal. 'The current penalties are not deterrent enough.”
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I'm convinced that Islam makes people stupid. The above comment is perfect evidence.

If it is "God's law', and the "current penalties are not deterrent enough", then surely, either God messed up with the previous penalties, or Azzam thinks he's God, and can "adapt" God's immutable law and "prescribed" penalties for infractions, to suit himself.
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Either way, he's playing God and is guilty of Shirk, the most heinous crime in Islam!

He's a blasphemer! Off with his head!

This is why Jefferson decried "pure democracy", as a form of "mob rule".

Hi Dave-o. Not sure who said it first, but pure democracy has been described as 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner...

Even though I have every confidence that you would prevail in a glove match with Boy Aslan, save yourself the trouble. A good long stay in the home country would take care of him, because as I see it, his kit and haircut look a little Emo and would never escape notice in Iran. Let's hope he gets homesick.

(That's shameful I know, but I couldn't help that one.)

P.S. Put a few thoughts on the West Virginia University newspaper site (thedaonline.com) from which Mr. Spencer's comments have been deleted. Boy Aslan may read them if he doesn't read the comments here. Given Islamoboy's sartorial habits, his attempts to look "hip," maybe he likes to read about himself and would go where he has been invited first. (Like a vampire.)

Too many Jesus wannabes

Hey Georgio!

Miss Fizzle yet?

Bwahahahahahaha!!


Egypt.
The land that heard, and saw, within his first 100 days in office, Obama and his vision for the M.E.

And now, to the fruit.

pure democracy has been described as 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner...

...and Liberty is a well armed sheep disputing the vote.

Actually, Muslams are taught that Sharia law is Gods law. And there is no other law. Muslims are taught to fear Christians and Jews because we are evil and have taken up our allegiance with Satan. They are taught this at birth.

The problem is the more Christians and Jews speak or act negatively or aggressively Muslims consider that proof that we are from satan. But if we try to appease Islam that is seen as a weakness, and encourages Muslims to carry-on.

Some how the Muslims must realize (on their own) that what they've been taught is a lie, which will be difficult because they have been taught not to think for themselves but to only take orders without questioning Islamic authority.

Keep in mind that Muslims already hate Christians and Jews. So any insaults toward Islam only certifies the hate. Truth should be used when ever possible. Because insaults only make matters worse.

Appeasing Islam is also making matters worse because that is seen as a weakness. And hatered loves to feel powerful and in control. So honsety is still the best weapon confronting Islam.

As we all know the clerics do not like to be called liars. So that honesty and truth are a positive tool in disarming the barbaric ideology threating the west and freedom world wide.

There will be world peace when Islam hears the truth more than they hear the lies. Of course lies, complacancy, ignorance and fear (on both sides) stand in the way of truth throughout the world.

Egypt: MP proposes Sharia punishments: crucifixion and amputation
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These horrors are, as noted, straight from the Qur'an.

It didn't take long for the "Arab Spring"—*never* a commonly used term outside the hopeful West, incidentally—to devolve into calls for the horror of Shari'ah.

And those who believe Shari'ah is a civilized code of laws, look to these calls for *amputation and Crucifixion*.

Here's what this barbarism looks like (WARNING - Graphic Images!):

Amputations under the Taliban in Afghanistan:

http://www.hraicjk.org/handcut0.jpg

An amputation from Nigeria, emphasizing its Islamic nature:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QfVWU-2pVL4/S8OKzd6GDJI/AAAAAAAANcM/k_XWUiI_oIo/s640/court+convicted+Mohamed+Omar+Ismael+of+the+offence+he+committed+and+ordered+his+right+hand++amputated+gacan-goys-kismayo.jpg

The amputated hand is posed with the knife *and the Qur'an*.

Here's a crucifixion in Saudi Arabia:

http://images.quickblogcast.com/9/8/6/2/6/271662-262689/p3.jpg?a=0

The only "mercy" is that the victim was beheaded before being crucified.

God, I hate Islam.

NC, quoting George:

"pure democracy has been described as 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner..."

NC:
...and Liberty is a well armed sheep disputing the vote.
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Don't forget the ammo, NC - the EPA are back to their old tricks trying to ban lead again. Link I tried doesn't work, but I'm sure you're aware of it, anyway.

It's the ammo we need. Guns are useless without it, unless we make our own powder, and harvest our own lead, as in the Old Days.
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Ironic, isn't it?, that all those casings cast away, thrown like cheap trinkets in the trash, may, someday soon, be more valuable than their weight in gold!

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