Islam: The Eighth Wonder of the World?

Provided they can be objective, members of a civilization are often best placed to critique that civilization. The following article, which recently made the rounds on various Arabic websites, is a good example of honest criticism of the Islamic world, by one of its own. Accordingly, I translated it over at Stonegate Institute (via RaymondIbrahim.com). Written by the late Dr. Ahmad al-Baghdadi (died 2010)—one of Kuwait's best known liberal activists and scholars (he held a PhD in the philosophy of Islamic thought and taught political science)—the article recounts how Islamic civilization is the eighth, and greatest, wonder of the world. We quickly discover this is not a compliment, as the article highlights some singularly troubling aspects of the Islamic world, from a liberal—in this sense, "rational"—point of view. For the record, Ahmad al-Baghdadi is not the first Muslim to portray Islamic culture as a fantastic anachronism that has outstayed its welcome; the prophet of Islam himself, Muhammad, made a similar prophesy in a canonical hadith: "Verily, Islam started as something strange, and it will again revert to being strange, just as it began, and it will recede between the two mosques [Mecca and Medina, birthplace of Islam] just as the serpent slithers back into its hole" (Sahih Muslim 1:271). Al-Baghdadi's article follows:

As we know, the wonders of the world are seven; but there is an eighth “Wonder -of-Wonders” not counted among the seven: this is the “Muslim nation [umma].” I specifically did not say the “Islamic [or Islamist] nation,” for within this Muslim nation are wondrous matters not witnessed by any other nation since Allah Almighty created Adam. Here are some of these wonders:

1. It is the only nation that believes it is in the right—in every way—while all others are wrong;
2. The only nation that exonerates or lightens the punishment of an indicted criminal if he is Muslim and has learned some Quranic verses;
3. The only nation where a cleric evades indictment for inciting murder if he describes one of his adversaries as “an apostate”;
4. The only nation that does not penalize a murderer if he kills “an apostate”;
5. The only nation that shows leniency and assuages punishments for the “honor killing” of a sister or a wife;
6. The only nation whose holy book [Quran] starts with the word “read” [iqra’] and yet it is among the least nations that reads books, if any at all;
7. The only nation that still uses the word “infidel” [kafir] against those who oppose its clerics or religious groups;
8. The only nation where the ruling of a fatwa [religious edict] upstages the ruling of the law—and yet it brags about being a nation that upholds the “rule of law”;
9. The only nation that does not contribute to the modern era—not even by producing a tooth brush—and yet brags about its extinct civilization.
10. The only nation that insults and condemns the West—yet lives as a parasite relying on the West in every way.

He makes 15 more points, read them here.

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it cant get any better than this.
M

Good post.

Now the pedohammedan Walid is gonna come here and talk about... yeah you guessed it, about Israel. Let's keep diverting attention from posts like these with Hamas propaganda, right.

There will surely come a day when the writings of Al-Bagdadi (along with so many others) will be scrubbed from the historical record by the budding thought police. In fine Orwellian fashion, he will be declared an 'unperson' and excised from our collective memory with the push of a button.

The internet will someday soon be tightly regulated by the component members of the UN, and the current age we live in will be remembered (and vilified) for its remarkable freedom and diversity of thought. Our current President, should he be re-elected, will no doubt hasten the day by eagerly supporting such an ignoble endeavor, under the heady banner of peace, comity and mutual understanding.

I'm willing to go with one of the "Blunders" of the world.......

Pretty good material for Letterman's Top 10 List, for Leno, Maher, or for any other third rate comedian. It's there, just for the taking.

But this, like so much other information about Islam, will remain on the shelf, untouched.

And the killings of non-Muslims by Muslims will continue unabated.

Muslims are incapable, absolutely incapable, of self-reflection. They have been handed rigid, preconceived notions, passed down through the ages by their ancients, ideas which have shown themselves to be imperious to any appeal to common sense.

Islam CANNOT be reformed, only contained.

Step right up here folks, and for one thin dime see the Eighth Wonder of the World - Islam! It walks, it talks, it crawls on its belly like a reptile, right back to Saudi Arabia!
(We hope)


Irshad Manji is now on a radio show to give her side of the islamic violence and excuse it away by the misunderstanders , she cites the friendly verses from her version of the Quran and hasn't stopped banging her drum to reform islam as if it's the Muslims that are the problem.

It's the Quran and Muhammad, plus Irshad has yet to denounce the overt male Nudity by the TNT males in the Toronto PRIDe parade , and she avoids condemning the pro-hamas QuAIA group that has marched in it for the last 3 years.

She and Dr.Jasser seem to have a selective moral outrage for what they will condemn about islam and what the defend about islam.

NO Shariah - KNOW Justice
Know Shariah - NO Justice

The Qur'an will be overwhelmed by The Book of The Tree of Life. It is written.

I'll put porn and meth ahead of Islam for 8th wonder.

Islam is terror; muslims are terrorists. Period. Even the outwardly non-belligerent ones support at least some form of terror.

. .has been written long long before that angry, deluded savage slaughted his way out of the Arabian sands.

Amen!!

I believe my comments were deleted for making similar statement in a post last week!!

YOUR STATEMENT IS PARTLY CORRECT IN THAT Islam is terror howvere all muslims are terrorists are off by a mile to say the least.
M

Dee Walid is the 9th Wonder.

"Verily, Islam started as something strange, and it will again revert to being strange, just as it began, and it will recede between the two mosques [Mecca and Medina, birthplace of Islam] just as the serpent slithers back into its hole" (Sahih Muslim 1:271).


Let the slithering commence.

I suppose it is a "wonder" of sorts—a particularly appalling curiosity, irrational and quite lethal...

....."Islam CANNOT be reformed, only contained.

Thank you for saying that.

We successfully contained the Soviets and the Maoists, which together formed an enormous land mass, so I don't understand the reluctance to accept that idea in today's world threatened as we are by aggressive, bloodily terroristic Islam. If the scientists in Teheran are permitted to develop a workable atomic bomb [ as we called them in my era] they will be on somewhat of a par with the Soviets. The mercurial North Koreans armed with nuclear abilities should be continuously in the news as source materiel for the Iranians; perhaps the Paki's are also helping Teheran.

Emphasis should be placed on the fact that the Soviets collapsed largely from within, while being so contained, as it were; but that threat of mutually assured destruction certainly recognized by the Soviet leadership, certainly created a contributory tension of its own.

The Maoists, have succumbed to the historic wonderful inventiveness of the Chinese in evading bureaucracy throughout their history.

The great irony in Mainland China is that they now wallow in the crass materialism and "bling" so decried by their Communist forbears who so vainly tried leaping forward with such horrific human tolls. They have millions to spare, so Mao thought.

Now, why am I saying all of this?

Because to me the parallels are obvious, but not mentioned in these blogs.....because it's largely forgotten and ignored as a precedent for a sustained containment of Central/West Asia, along with that attached Arabian peninsula, in today's somewhat similar tension.

Oil producing Islamic areas are largely dependent upon United States dollars and Euros for maintaining the standard of living to which they've accustomed themselves. Picture those mammoth highrises with desert sand swishing through their empty hallways without United States petro-Dollars to maintain them in that harsh alien territory.

One of The Wonders Of Today's World ( large thanks to Raymond Ibrahim for bringing this subject to a wider audience) is why we cannot sustain the same unity among our threatened nations as we did against the Soviets and Maoists. The Wonder is that we don't use our Dollar Weapon more aggressively.

The Europeans are iffey, as usual...so we'll probably have to go it alone.

Charles Griffith wrote, quoting Franklin Amman:

....."Islam CANNOT be reformed, only contained.
................................

I very much agree with you both. Containment is *exactly* the way to go. This is the way Islam was—never perfectly, but largely—defanged for almost two hundred years.

We can do it again, but not by "engaging with it" or by inviting millions of its barbaric adherents into our civilized nations.

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