As many as 100,000 women in Britain have undergone female genital mutilation

Read the introduction to the above article written by Robert Spencer! That'll answer your questions.

Thanks - just saw the Sunan Abu Dawud. However, on the basis of that alone, it does seem a tad strange that 3 of the 4 Sunni schools would be endorsing it, and one of them mandatorily.

Where are Naomi Wolf and the the other feminists? Silent... forever silent

The feminists are silent out of fear for being called racists or Islamophobes. Instead of calling out Islam for their treatment (or mistreatment) of women(FGM, honor-killings,child brides, etc) they cover it up, ignore it, or make excuses for it. Shame on all these so-called feminists who don't speak out!

Being called racists or Islamophobes should be a badge of courage! Why, because it's a lie; just like their "silence is a "lie" to the cause they say they hold dear!

The feminists are a joke, a sad sick joke! Women's rights was their cry... The fight against the oppression of women was that what they wee fighting for! They didn't just loose the war, they walked away from it! In silence! What a bunch of bold face liar's.

You are a idiot! If you care about freedom you should not support Muslims against anyone! Because if muslims win, they will have one more bastion to launch from against the rest of free world.

Don't call me an idiot, I say what I mean. While I completely reject Islam and it's hate filled prophet don't beg me to cry for the demise of the insane Britannia which works to demonize Israel (seen BBC lately?) and at the same time protects scumbags like the Abu Qatada. The British deserve everything they get coming down the pipe, as Shakespeare would say "Something is rotten in the state of Britain".

no_mo,

No one is asking you to "cry." You are needlessly sowing division between the Brits and the others. Don't judge the ordinary British people for the nonsense of their mainstream politicians and media. Likewise, all Americans are not to blame for Obama's dangerously and foolishly pro-Islamic, pro-sharia attitudes. The ordinary Brits are by and large fed up with Islam.

Liam,

50%? Can you share the source of these figures with us?

IP,

"I have a question. A few days ago, I was arguing in another site on whether FGM is an Islamic practice or not, and I pointed out how it is mandatory under the Shafiis, recommended under the Hanbalis and glorified under the Hanafis, while stating that I was unclear about the Maliki & Shia schools."

1. Female circumcision is a mainstream orthodox Islamic practice in all the major schools of Islamic jurisprudence, insofar as it is at least recommended, regulated, and viewed favorably in the hadith; whereas uncircumcised women were viewed unfavorably. Female (and male) circumcision is considered an aspect of the fitra (see below).

2. It is also considered sunnah, praiseworthy, and recommended among Malikis.
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/60314/female%20circumcision
http://bewley.virtualave.net/Rissac.html#circumcision
"29.9b Female circumcision
and female circumcision (khifad) is praiseworthy (makruma).
[To remove what the woman has of excess. It is recommended according to at-Tata'i. It is worthy because it brightens the complexion and makes intercourse pleasurable.]"

I have read that according to the Shia it is also recommended.
http://healthipod.tripod.com/Enzy-to-Gluc/female_circumcision.html

I've read an account that a Pakistani Shia group practices it.
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=106581
Pakistani Shia
Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite
By Zofeen Ebrahim

"The person who was arguing w/ me stated that it was nowhere in the quran, and amongst the hadiths, it was just there in one of the weak, unreliable hadiths."

It's true that it's not in the Quran, but lots of mainstream aspects of Islam are not in the Quran (e.g., the five daily prayers, any details about Muhammad and his commands and conduct (whom the Quran tells Muslims to follow [33:21] and orders them to obey [4:80])). Sounds like the person you were talking with was an apologist, as judging by the old "it's not in the Quran" line. It's mentioned in multiple sahih hadiths. There is one hadith whose status is disputed, with some classifying it as sahih and others considering it weak (daif). However, the validity of the practice doesn't depend on that hadith alone.

From Islam q and a:

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/60314/female%20circumcision
EXCERPTS:

"Circumcision is not an inherited custom as some people claim, rather it is prescribed in Islam and the scholars are unanimously agreed that it is prescribed. Not a single Muslim scholar – as far as we know – has said that circumcision is not prescribed.

Their evidence is to be found in the saheeh ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which prove that it is prescribed, for example:

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The hadeeth narrated by al-Bukhaari (5889) and Muslim (257) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him), that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, cutting the nails, plucking the armpit hairs, and trimming the moustache."
This hadeeth includes circumcision of both males and females.

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Muslim (349) narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) mentioned the two circumcised parts, i.e., the circumcised part of the husband and the circumcised part of the wife, which indicates that a woman may be circumcised just like a man.

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Abu Dawood (5271) narrated from Umm ‘Atiyyah al-Ansaariyyah that a woman used to do circumcisions in Madeenah and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: “Do not go to the extreme in cutting; that is better for the woman and more liked by the husband.” But the scholars differed concerning this hadeeth. Some of them classed it as da’eef (weak) and others classed it as saheeh. It was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood. The fact that circumcision for women is prescribed in Islam is confirmed by the ahaadeeth quoted above, not by this disputed hadeeth. But the scholars differed concerning the ruling, and there are three opinions:

1 – That it is obligatory for both males and females. This is the view of the Shaafa’is and Hanbalis, and is the view favoured by al-Qaadi Abu Bakr ibn al-‘Arabi among the Maalikis (may Allaah have mercy on them all).
Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Majmoo’ (1/367): Circumcision is obligatory for both men and women in our view. This is the view of many of the salaf, as was narrated by al-Khattaabi. Among those who regarded it as obligatory is Ahmad… it is the correct view that is well known and was stated by al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah have mercy on him), and the majority stated definitively that it is obligatory for both men and women. end quote.
See Fath al-Baari, 10/340; Kishshaaf al-Qinaa’, 1/80

2 – That circumcision is Sunnah for both males and females. This is the view of the Hanafis and Maalikis, and was narrated in one report from Ahmad. Ibn ‘Aabideen al-Hanafi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his Haashiyah (6/751): In Kitaab al-Tahaarah of al-Siraaj al-Wahhaaj it says: Know that circumcision is Sunnah in our view – i.e., according to the Hanafis – for men and for women. end quote.
See: Mawaahib al-Jaleel, 3/259

3 – That circumcision is obligatory for men and is good and mustahabb for women. This is the third view of Imam Ahmad, and it is the view of some Maalikis such as Sahnoon. This view was also favoured by al-Muwaffaq ibn Qudaamah in al-Mughni.

See: al-Tamheed, 21/60; al-Mughni, 1/63

It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (5/223):

Circumcision is one of the Sunnahs of the fitrah, and it is for both males and females, except that is it obligatory for males and Sunnah and good in the case of women. End quote

Thus it is clear that the fuqaha’ of Islam are agreed that circumcision is prescribed for both males and females, and in fact the majority of them are of the view that it is obligatory for both. No one said that it is not prescribed or that it is makrooh or haraam.
[...]"

END OF EXCERPTS
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http://islamqa.info/en/ref/9412/female%20circumcision
EXCERPT:
"Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about whether women should be circumcised or not. He replied:
Praise be to Allaah. Yes, they should be circumcised, i.e., the top of the piece of skin that looks like a rooster’s comb should be cut. The Messenger of Allaah (S) said to the woman who did circumcisions: “Leave something sticking out and do not go to extremes in cutting. That makes her face look brighter and is more pleasing to her husband.” That is because the purpose of circumcising a man is to make him clean from the impurity that may collect beneath the foreskin. But the purpose of circumcising women is to regulate their desire, because if a woman is not circumcised her desire will be strong. Hence the words “O son of an uncircumcised woman” are used as an insult, because the uncircumcised woman has stronger desire. Hence immoral actions are more common among the women of the Tatars and the Franks, that are not found among the Muslim women. If the circumcision is too severe, the desire is weakened altogether, which is unpleasing for men; but if it is cut without going to extremes in that, the purpose will be achieved, which is moderating desire. And Allaah knows best."

END OF EXCERPT

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Hadiths:

Sahih Bukhari:

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Five practices are characteristics of the Fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubic region, clipping the nails and cutting the moustaches short." (Book #72, Hadith #777)

Narrated Abu Huraira : I heard the Prophet saying. "Five practices are characteristics of the Fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, cutting the moustaches short, clipping the nails, and depilating the hair of the armpits." (Book #72, Hadith #779)

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said "Five things are in accordance with Al Fitra (i.e. the tradition of prophets): to be circumcised, to shave the pelvic region, to pull out the hair of the armpits, to cut short the moustaches, and to clip the nails.' (Book #74, Hadith #312)

Sahih Muslim:

Abu Huraira reported: Five are the acts quite akin to the Fitra, or five are the acts of Fitra: circumcision, shaving the pubes, cutting the nails, plucking the hair under the armpits and clipping the moustache. (Book #002, Hadith #0495)

Abu Huraira reported: Five are the acts of fitra: circumcision, removing the pubes, clipping the moustache, cutting the nails, plucking the hair under the armpits. (Book #002, Hadith #0496)

Abu Musa reported: There cropped up a difference of opinion between a group of Muhajirs (Emigrants and a group of Ansar (Helpers) (and the point of dispute was) that the Ansar said: The bath (because of sexual intercourse) becomes obligatory only-when the semen spurts out or ejaculates. But the Muhajirs said: When a man has sexual intercourse (with the woman), a bath becomes obligatory (no matter whether or not there is seminal emission or ejaculation). Abu Musa said: Well, I satisfy you on this (issue). He (Abu Musa, the narrator) said: I got up (and went) to 'A'isha and sought her permission and it was granted, and I said to her: 0 Mother, or Mother of the Faithful, I want to ask you about a matter on which I feel shy. She said: Don't feel shy of asking me about a thing which you can ask your mother, who gave you birth, for I am too your mother. Upon this I said: What makes a bath obligatory for a person? She replied: You have come across one well informed! The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When anyone sits amidst four parts (of the woman) and the circumcised parts touch each other a bath becomes obligatory. (Book #003, Hadith #0684)

[Also reported in Malik's Muwatta]

Sunan Abu Dawud

Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband. (Book #41, Hadith #5251)

Malik’s Muwatta:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Said ibn Abi Said al-Maqburi from his father that Abu Hurayra said, "There are five things from the fitra: cutting the nails, trimming the moustache, removing the hair from the armpit, shaving the pubic region and circumcision." (Book #49, Hadith #49.3.3)

Wellington, it's not just the British that are deficient. FGM occurs regularly and routinely in my SUBURB of the Twin Cities, Minnesotastan. Authorities completely ignore / refuse to prosecute it, even though it is against State law, in the name of PC/MC.

KoK

Thanks in particular for filling in what the Sahih hadiths say about it. The guy I was arguing w/ was making the case that there was only one hadith, and that too a daif one. It was probably the Abu Dawud one that he was referring to, but your citation of Bukhari makes this one much easier to prove that it's an Islamic custom.

I understand full well, CGW, that it's not just the British who are deficient in comprehending Islam's many nefarious aspects. But my comment above was made specific to Britain since the article only dealt with Britain. The entire West, as I know you know, is asleep to be sure, and it is a potentially lethal slumber if ever there were one.

Time for all the West to wake up, eh? But this won't happen with the current elites in charge, that's for sure. Hope you and yours are doing well.

I despair of my state authorities "waking up". MN is too "blue", too entrenched in PC/MC politics.

Little girls suffer the lifelong effects in the meantime. In my community, little girls (under "puberty age" nine) walk around in hijabs.

I know how you feel, but the truth is that only the submissive defenders of muhammadianism are allowed to speak. Woman against their oppression are silenced by fear and powerlessness. And the free women in non Islamic societies are " 'Silent' is CONSENT".

How can there be real "Mother & Daughter" bond/love if you can't object to your child/daughter being raped under the guise of marriage.

As many as 100,000 women in Britain have undergone female genital mutilation
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Every Westerner should be shocked and horrified by this.

More:

Until its Islamic justifications are confronted, and the denial that this piece represents with its attribution of the practice to "culture" ends, more girls will suffer.
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Yes.

As many as 100,000 women in Britain have undergone female genital mutilations with medics in the UK offering to carry out the illegal procedure on girls as young as 10, it has been reported.
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**Horrifying**. These must be mostly Muslim doctors—they should be prosecuted, barred from ever practicing medicine again, and deported if possible.

And this doesn't even address all the British girls who are spirited back to Dar-al-Islam to be mutilated, nor the girls who are simply cut up by their own relatives on the kitchen table.

Kepha wrote:

Well, if the women in question come forward and protest, I will support their protest. But, at the moment, I am suffering from severe compassion fatigue when it comes to Muslim women.
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I understand your point, Kepha—but consider *this*: even if you cannot bring yourself to care about these girls, how much do you think it will embolden Muslims to find that their bloody mutilation of their own children is ignored in the West, and that Muslim doctors can violate the Hippocratic Oath and all the laws of civilized Britain with such impunity?

When it comes to imposing other aspects of Shari'ah on the Infidels, they will believe—for good reason—that they have carte blanche...