Big surprise: French veil ban turns out to be toothless

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=muslims%20praying%20in%20street%20in%20france&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CFYQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fworld%2F2012%2Fmar%2F10%2Fnicolas-sarkozy-halal-meat-france-election&ei=s7l5T4SdMqeeiAfF8OTWBA&usg=AFQjCNGf3h_J66IB8HEq8tjBNES-OLVK3A

French muslims playing the victim card again.

Muslims running out of burial room in Sydney

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/more-burial-plots-to-ease-shortage-20120402-1w8ur.html

David

But the benefits of the law are clear - for example the woman was told not to wear her face covering in an airport - she would be told not to wear them in government offices. And now that she's settled down - is no longer partying hard - and she decides to have children - she could be told not to wear the face covering on school premises - unless of course it is an Islamic school.

In the UK for example there was a big - hoopla made when a primary school asked that one of the parents not with her face covering on school premises. Although the school decision was upheld - in France this would be the law.

Cole, I think you are mistaken about the UK case. It was a child who was not allowed to wear the burka/niqab to school. We all expected the authorities would crumple and support the child rather than the school's principal.

If they are not enforced, passing laws that are supposed to put down markers of protection for european values are worse than useless.

Take the case of Female Genital Mutilation in the UK. There are thought to be about 24,000 British girls a year being brutalised in this way.

The first law against it was passed in 1985, but no-one was prosecuted under it (supposedly because the parents found a way round it). So a second law was passed in 2003. Still, over 25 years since the first law was passed, no-one has been prosecuted under either of these laws.

The failure to enforce these laws just proves to muslims that they are above the law. The failure of the French to act is just another sign that the law was window-dressing. It is one more sign that there will be no civilised end to the islamisation of Europe.

Here is the link to substantiate the figure of 24,000 girls being brutalised.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/when-things-go-wrong/fgm/

What's the point of passing a law if it isn't enforced?

"A police car passes but does not stop. Fadela says that’s not unusual. “This is a sensitive neighbourhood,” she surmised. “It’d be a problem for the police.”

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This is the reality that most of the West can't yet wrap their heads around. You can't impose a law on a population that doesn't consider it valid---not unless you're willing to enforce it with violence if necessary---and I think most of the West is not willing to do that. So the law will be toothless, and Islamization will progress. That's why I've never been a big supporter of things like the veil ban, anyways. Countries like France are well past the stage where they can just pass a few laws and legislate themselves out of their multicultural mess. It's just up to every country to decide how much Islamization they'll accept, and where they'll draw the line. Many seem to already accept that artists and intellectuals can't criticize Islam. The repression of women, anti-semitism, criminalization of homosexuality, increased segregation of society and parallel legal systems.....how much will every country accept? I just fear that when democratic, non-violent, non-racist criticism of Islam is shut out of public discourse, then the real fascists and violent racists will emerge.

It is the fault of the cops. If they make a law,it is the duty for the law enforcement unit to see to it that the law is followed by the citizens.Avoiding the women in full cover only gives them a boost to do it more openly and they tell heir other women too about the spineless cops.In the above case,if that woman were arrested,taken to the police station and sent with a warning that if repeated she will be jailed-the result will be quite different.In the present situation, that woman feels like a hero among her community and all other will be forced to follow her.

OT: the ROP website has a news item about burqa-clad protesters in Australia, from 7News Sydney:

"A group of protesters wearing burqas gathered in various places in Sydney today to argue for Australia to ban the face veil.
They say the wearing of the Islamic headwear donned by women, should be outlawed because they pose a security risk.
Security and police were called when the burqa-clad non-Muslims incited anger outside state Parliament House.
Members of the public were extremely offended by the male protesters wearing the burqa."

I'm wondering why the anger? It's a free country, isn't it? If women want to wear burqas, why is it any different for men wanting to wear them?
I'm offended by anybody in a burqa, man or woman. At least in the case of a man, I can be pretty sure that it's by his own choice.

I could see wearing a very small cloth that goes over the *back* of the head, but I don't understand why anybody even likes wearing the full face and neck cover thing. It's like putting your head in a bag. Wait, are they all Unknown Comics?

Ghoulish nightmarish freaks! I bet they make little French children cry and cower

It never ceases to amaze me when I hear these ex-party girls say the full Islamic get-up and piety are so liberating. As if there were only two choices in life, to be a vacuous bimbo or an equally vacuous hag-in-a-bag. is there not a spark of intelligence in there which might suggest...um...
Reading a book
Bushwalking
Playing sport
Taking on charity work
Anything to challenge their mini-skirt-and-party life, besides (puke) Islam?

The eye slits seem to be getting narrower, and narrower ...

and those spooky muslims are always ready for Halloween, aren't they?

Nevertheless, although not currently enforced (or patchily enforced - vide her experience in the airport) the law remains on the books.

All that needs to happen - and yes, that *all* is a big *all*, but all bets are off if Marine Le Pen gets a big enough vote in the upcoming elections - is for that law, suburb by suburb, to be activated and **enforced**, without exception.

I would advise the French authorities to read up on how crime was ramped back in NYC - first by one David Gunn relentlessly cracking down on subway graffiti, then by William Bratton relentlessly catching and punishing fare-jumpers, then working outward and onward.

Of course, they're worried that if the women are arrested, the Mohammedan Insta-Mob will explode immediately in the vicinity (or elsewhere).

Well, the answer to that is that they pick on one particular key place they're going to start enforcement - just one city, or one suburb, or even just one locality where face-veils have been observed to be plentiful - like NY police zeroing in on a subway station especially plagued by fare-jumpers - and go in boots and all.

(Get hold of Malcolm Gladwell's book 'Tipping Point' and read the totally hilarious account in chapter four 'the power of context - part one').

"First, he picked stations where fare-beating was the biggest problem, and put as many as ten policemen in plainclothes at the turnstiles. The teams would nab fare-beaters one by one, handcuff them, and leave them standing, in a daisy-chain, on the platform until they had a "full catch". The idea was to signal, as publicly as possible, that the transit police were now serious about cracking down on fare-beaters.

(In light of the Mohammedan Insta-Mob phenomenon, this part of the deal might have to be modified; perhaps temporarily shutting down phone towers in the vicinity of the targeted street or district might need to happen...).

"Previously, police officers had been wary of pursuing fare-beaters, because the arrest, the trip to the station-house, the filling out of necessary forms and the waiting for those forms to be processed took an entire day - all for a crime that usually merited no more than a slap on the wrist.
"Bratton retrofitted a city bus and turned it into a rolling station house...

"Soon the turnaround time on an arrest was down to an hour.

"Bratton **also insisted that a check be run on all those arrested**.

(This, I submit, should be routine for all Slave-Masked Muslimahs who are arrested - dda).

"Sure enough, one out of seven arrestees had an outstanding warrant for a previous crime, and one out of twenty was carrying a weapon of some sort. Suddenly it wasn't hard to convince police officers that tackling fare-beating made sense.

"For the cops it was a bonanza", Bratton writes. "Every arrest was like opening a box of Cracker Jack. What kind of toy am I going to get? Got a gun? Got a knife? Got a warrant? Do we have a murderer here?...".

(And then, after Giuliani became mayor in 1994, Bratton was appointed head of the NYCV Police Department, and he applied the same strategies to the city at large...".

(it occurs to me to wonder whether the NYPD's very sensible approach to the Ummah in NYC is in part a legacy of the Bratton years... - dda).

Soo...here's my free advice for the French Authorities, if so be they get a mayor or a provincial or - please God! - a national government that decides that it *will* enforce the Burqa Ban always and everywhere, to the letter: emulate Bratton's approach as employed with NYC fare-jumpers.

Pick a place where you're going to have a reasonable chance of arresting ten, twenty, thirty women in their Slave Masks, all at once. Have the riot police and Dog Squad and, for that matter, the army, on standby, ready to instantly and overwhelmingly crush the Mohammedan Mob, should it be mobilised when you start arresting the Masked Slaves. (All Mohammedan males who do Breach the Peace simply get arrested, too, and then the same procedure applies to *them* as to the women).

Swoop. Arrest. Remove a nice full 'bag' of Masked Muslim Slaves from the vicinity - and any Mohammedan Males who turn up to attack the police and get arrested as well - to a secure location where they can be given the full treatment - identity checks, criminal record checks, social security cross-checking, immigration and citizenship status...just like the NYC cops would do with fare-jumpers. Female cops to conduct a body search, just in case of concealed weapons. What has it got in its pocketses? (or up its sleeves...).

Same deal if a whole bunch of Mohammedan Males have rioted in response to the arrests of the Masked Slaves - they, too, get the works: full body search looking for concealed/ illegal weapons, identity check, background check, citizenship status, criminal record...turn 'em upside down and shake 'em, so to speak.

And then whatever *other* laws they turn out to be in breach of, get enforced to the letter, *also*. And those who are found to qualify for deportation under existing French law, get deported, remorselessly.

I think it could be done.

And if the Mohammedans *do* respond by open all-out warfare, well then, that's what the French army is for.

Wake up, France. Wake up. The enemy within is upon you and it means to destroy France if only you let it, which so far you are more or less doing. Wake up.

Ladies and gentlemen

observe the incoherent Mohammedan just above, claiming that the ugly, unhealthy and confrontational burqa - which is incredibly aggressive in its 'up yours!' message to all free women who are NOT Mohammedan Gang Molls - should be permitted to parade about freely on the streets of the free West.

The burqa and niqab and other cover-almost-everything versions of the Slave Rag are dangerous: to the health and safety of the wearer not only because they impair her ability to absorb Vitamin D (thus setting her up for a multitude of health problems), but also - because it impairs sight and vision - endangering both her and everyone else she may encounter, whenever she drives a car or, as a pedestrian, attempts to negotiate crowded footpaths, climb stairs or cross roads. All that trailing cloth is liable to get caught in escalators and in elevator doors, or in machinery of any sort.

Furthermore, the Slave Mask of Islam aggressively rejects and prevents the give-and-take of face-to-face exchange that is taken for granted in public in all other human societies, not just the West: the bare-faced people that a masked, shrouded Muslimah encounters cannot read her facial expression to determine her hostility or friendliness, truthfulness or deceit, whilst *she* can hide behind her mask and read *theirs*. She can deceive and intimidate. Even her *voice* is muffled by it. And a Mohammedan male can wrap himself in a burqa or niqab and pretend to be a female and infiltrate all sorts of places where he would not, if known to be male, be permitted to enter.

As a constant symbol of and summons to the Sharia, the wearing of the Mohammedan female Slave Rag in *all* its forms in the public spaces of the non-Muslim world is tantamount to the flying of the black flag of Jihad. It constitutes an implicit threat to all free non-veiled women. It is as ugly and shocking as would be the sight of a Klansman marching down the street in *his* hood and robe...or as would be the sight of Neo-Nazi in full SS or Gestapo rig-out, wearing the deathshead badge and waving a Swastika flag.

And it has also been used to conceal jihadists and common criminals. A masked Muslimah can engage in crimes such as shoplifting without fear of her face turning up in CCTV footage. Muslim males who are being pursued because of crime and/ or jihad violence have escaped by hiding themselves in the Slave Bag and behind the Slave Mask.

Furthermore: Defender of Islam claims it is the woman's 'choice'. But there is abundant evidence, both from the Muslim colonies here in dar al Harb, and also from within dar al Islam, that women and girls are *forced* to wear this hideous garment; if they are told to wear it by their male owners, and refuse, they are liable to be beaten, or pelted with rocks, or rotten fruit, or mud, or ACID, or...shot...or be strangled, like Aqsa Parvez was strangled by her father, after she refused to wear the headscarf (not even the burqa or niqab; just the minimal version of the Slave Rag, the seemingly-innocuous headscarf).

It is impossible to know in any given case whether the woman in the Slave Sack with her face erased by the Slave Mask has 'chosen' her clothing...or whether she is wearing it because one or more Mohammedan males has made it very clear to her that she's dead if she doesn't.

Best just to ban the damn thing in public, as the French have done.

And I will pray like blazes that the French can screw up the courage to enforce their very rational and sensible ban. to the letter.

Plum pudding? I thought it was Fig pudding that was eaten at Christmas time in England?

"Oh, bring us a figgy pudding;
Oh, bring us a figgy pudding;
Oh, bring us a figgy pudding and a cup of good cheer!"

"We won't go until we get some;
We won't go until we get some;
We won't go until we get some, so bring some out here!"

:-D :-D :-D

The law is on the books.

All that is needed is a government willing to give the order for it to be enforced by any and all means necessary. (Not as the only measure by which to curb Islam and Islamisation, but as a first step, to be followed by many others, once people get used to standing up and saying NO to Mohammedans, and defending the NO by main force as required.)

I don't think that the advent of such a government is an impossibility.

Right now and for some time to come, French non-Muslim voters still outnumber the Muslim voters (and remember, there are Muslims who don't vote, because that's participating in jahiliyya). An elderly Frenchwoman may not be able to fire a gun, but she can vote. If a clear majority of all non-Muslims capable of voting, in France, were to become intelligently Islamoleery and vote - within, say, the next 5-10 years - for measures to restrict Islam - e.g. to curtail Muslim immigration, to enforce the burka ban, to deport all Muslims present illegally and all who are caught plotting or advocating jihad/ sharia (just for starters), they could do it. They could save themselves.

And public opinion*is* shifting, slowly and steadily (but I suspect the speed and spread is increasing: paradigm shifts have a habit of creeping up on you, and then things suddenly FLIP).

The rise of Marine Le Pen, and of organisations like Riposte Laique, and in Canada Point de Bascule, and the fact that in Canada distrust of Muslims has passed the 50 % mark among French-Canadians, says that a paradigm shift is well under way. Robert Redeker may have been driven into hiding, but nevertheless, his article was published, and we don't know how many people read it, and agreed with it, and quietly squirrelled away a copy, and have shared it far and wide. It and many other things.

And if push comes to shove, in the immediate future:

There are middle-aged and elderly Frenchmen who trundle off to the countryside each year during the hunting season, and can drop a wild boar with a rifle.

And I would hazard the guess that, right now, the vast majority of young men and women in the army in France are non-Muslim, as are their officers; and they are probably the most patriotic and intelligent of their cohort.

I repeat, if public opinion in France within the next 5-10 years can shift fast enough toward the Resistance, France may yet be saved.

Something else to remember: the supporters of a burqa ban were from across the board, politically.

France has been the arbiter of women's fashion in Europe since before the Revolution. France is the society that perhaps above all others in Western Europe has celebrated feminine beauty exquisitely displayed in public. They are deeply, instinctively tuned-in to the meaning of what a woman chooses to wear. France is the country of Brigitte Bardot 'and God Created Woman' (who, incidentally, having been the gorgeous sexy 'wild child' in her youth, is now a holy terror in her grande dame old age, fiercely vocal in condemnation of Islamisation), of Coco Chanel and Edith Piaf, of Catherine Deneuve and Juliette Binoche.

I am not surprised that of all the outward manifestations of Mohammedanism that the French could have chosen to challenge, they began with the Slave Rag, which is one huge blasphemy against feminine beauty and good health and which erases the woman from public life. The French began really small, with the ban on Islamic headscarves in schools; then they worked up their courage to place on the books a ban on the Slave Mask/ Slave Shroud, in public places, even if at present they are faltering, and are not fully enforcing it. At some level, I think they understand what the Slave Rag really means, even if most of them cannot fully articulate that understanding.

I can only urge all French non-Muslim persons who may be lurking and reading here, to be loud in your insistence, to your politicians at every level and to your law enforcement officers, that the burqa ban *must* be enforced. Do not give up. Insist that the law be enforced, no matter what. If you see a Slave-Masked woman in a public place - say, she enters your shop - then a/ photograph her and b/ summon the Police and demand that they enforce the law.

At bottom, the wearing of the Slave Mask is a deliberate affront to the laws and customs of France. It is a blatant attempt to Islamise the public space. It is the flying of the black flag of Jihad and it must not, cannot be tolerated.

Please, French non-Muslim readers: at least your country *has* this law. Mine (Australia) does not. Neither does the UK, or Russia, or the USA. We need one and we haven't been brave enough even to enact such a law.

Show us you can do it; that you can push back, just in this small way (which may actually, given the Power of Context, turn out to be a very large way, with all sorts of 'knock-on' effects) against Islamisation.

Set an example that we can then urge *our* governments to emulate.

Big surprise: French veil ban turns out to be toothless
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**Sigh**. No—no surprise at all...

More:

A police car passes but does not stop. Fadela says that’s not unusual. “This is a sensitive neighbourhood,” she surmised. “It’d be a problem for the police.”
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A "sensitive neighbourhood"—in other words, the police *would be in danger* from the local Muslim thugs if they tried to enforce the law. Good God.

More:

Nearly one year after France implemented its controversial ban on wearing the Islamic veil— a niqab or burka — in public, a surprising fact has emerged. It appears that few women have actually removed their veils to obey the law....
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Well, it's not a surprise to anyone here...

But just because the law if utterly toothless doesn't mean that Muslims are not enraged over it anyway.

One of Toulouse Jihad mass murderer Mohammed Merah's many "grievances" was the French Niqab ban.