Islamic supremacists and Leftists shut down military recruitment center in California

Afghanistan is the most fertile country in the world.

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The protest, organized by Afghans for Peace and Iraq Veterans against the War, was joined by others from Fremont's Afghan American community - the largest in the U.S. - and from San Francisco Bay Area Occupy movements...

The Occupy movements -- the brothers and sisters of the "non-Leftist" "ex-Leftist" (not sure which, depending on the time of day or his mood, I suppose) Eric Allen Bell.

Dummies are a dime a dozen. Demonstrate all you want when your message makes no sense you are wasting your time.

I'm so tired of hearing the "America is making all these wars to steal our resources" mantra. It's childish, ignorant and false.

America is spending BILLIONS simply to "steal" a few million worth of resources it has in its own backyard.

Do none of these idiots understand simple economics?

Too bad someone didn't show up to counter protest these clowns with posters of the murdered Jewish children in France along with posters showing the bagheads in France placing roses on behalf of the *MURDERER* and quotes from clerics and laymen of the ummah declaring how THEY are the real victims.

Not one of those clowns would be able to produce a single quote, facebook page, or photo of anyone, including condoning, praising, expressing sympathy for Bales, or claiming they are victims because of "backlash" due to Bales' actions.

I'm so sick of their obtuse claims of "stealing" and moral equivalency.

I just feel like screaming. Or smacking some baghead or her owner upside the head.

Typical of the Islamic perspective - introspection - is akin to blasphemy!

How can the talk of Afghans never being defeated be true - when some 30 million people were killed in that region to install Islamic law - and it's for these same religious reasons the Taliban are still fighting.

Why don't we look at your history - that region is called the Hindu Kush - or Hindu blood - but there were a lot more people than Hindus there - obviously there were Buddhists [whose remaining statutes were recently destroyed], Sikhs, and there is even evidence that people from Greece settled this region.

Next talking about Islam's history would be deeply offensive - while they tear apart and use western history for their own nefarious ends. Perhaps those rally supporters would like to live under the Islamic law - those Afghan protesters have in mind!

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The Muslims jihadists tore that Afghan region apart to conquer it, then - as they are doing now! We are just trying to put out a fire that was started long ago!

Yet another example of two errors: 1) putting the blame on the American military instead of putting the blame, to the extent that the blame belongs anywhere, on politicians; and 2) being oblivious of the fact that protesting in a free country about all the terrible things the free country is doing to a non-free country, in this case Afghanistan, doesn't even remotely take into account that the non-free country is ten times, perhaps a hundred times, worse in human rights abuses than is the free country.

It's cheap theatrics. Cheap thinking. Hypocritical. Stupid. Tired of this shit.

OT: TV alert for tonight (Sat). CBS' 48 Hours will present a show about an honor killing in the USA. 10PM eastern time.

Over 100 demonstrators, including many from this city's large Afghan American community, shut down its military recruiting center...

So what we have here is the Afghans that Americans gave sanctuary and asylum to, have turned against America, and support, quite naturally Islam and Muslims.

We are in a war. One does not allow enemy aliens to enter the nation, and settle behind the lines. Its so elementary, that it is assumed that no nation would be so stupid as to let it happen.

"WHAT DO WE WANT? PEACE! WHEN DO WE WANT IT? NOW!"

I can just hear the slogans being shouted now. By ALL MEANS, please, let's have peace now. I would suggest that those same Afghanis who DON'T want us there and DON'T want the Taliban to take charge go and relieve our soldiers ONE BY ONE!

For every devout and brave Afghan who returns, we could return one soldier. A very worth cause indeed. They could then protest in the streets of Kabul as much as they like. It's their Afghani right of course, just don't tell the Taliban.

The muslimah on the far left certainly looks like a victim of inbreeding. That might explain this.

Muslims want to exclusively keep the onus of peaceful behavior on others, and never on themselves. Where are the Muslim protesters protesting against the Taliban? They don't care to do that, they only care to protest against those who are reasonable and who listen to reason. It's a one-sided relationship, which they exploit to the hilt. These kinds of double-standards are unsustainable in the long run.

The world is mad and going proudly madder. We are at the most dangerous place to be, in the way.

I've fallen in love with Bolivia, of all places, it being like my home in the 1950s and 60s, peaceful, happy, discrete, and filled with hard-working people (not that they work too hard at much.) This is what America could be if we were rid of the Freak Show.

I can't imagine ever returning home. What a disgusting mess of a place is America for some many who can't find a farm in Texas to live on and keep out the rest of the world. Bolivia, not exactly paradise, is so much better I just can't believe it. I went to a Catholic ceremony for Easter just to be around normal folk, and the surprising thing is that I didn't have to go so far. Nearly everyone here is normal. It's just plain normal here. No Freak Show posing; no victimary religion among the criminal classes; no nanny state infantalisation of the masses; no velvet fascism in this Communist-led government of a nation. This is so normal I can't believe I am living a real life again. And Peru is even better. I'm just sick that my nation is a garbage can of a nation these days.

I chatted up the bishop of Coroico, Bolvia this evening. Nice fellow. Lots of kids celebrating Semana Santa. A family affair. In Canada, the hole I was living in last, a trans-sexual wants to be Miss Universe. I'm not going back to the West any time soon-- if ever.

Best wishes to those who remain.

Dag,

Coroico, Bolivia.

News flash for the Afghans: There is a new player in the Great Game and it's China. Once the US moves out the Chinese will be next. If they think the English, Russians, and Americans were bad, the Chinese will make the old players look like a cricket match. It makes me sick that we are spending our treasure on these ungrateful barbarians. Let them go back to their mideaval culture, and send them this SF riff-raff too.

If they claim to dislike the Taliban how the hell do they expect them to be kept from taking over the country without a foriegn military presence?

If They are opposed to the puppets in power now, how can they expect to remove them any other way than thru elections, which are not possible without, you guessed it, foreign military presence to prevent the Taliban from taking over the country.

If Nato, the UN leave the country then it will be Pakistan who determines which puppets control the country. And that means The Taliban.

If Pakistan or the Taliban had control of the country then the leftists would be complaining THAT.

But they won't actually protest because leftists approve of the killling of women and minorities when non western countries do it.

In my haste I neglected to spell out clearly for Never Submit that there are highly visible signs in Hebrew, which I read after having lived in Israel for a few years, thank you, (and if that was OK for me to do without your permission and intelligent guidance in my life) and there is no public anti-Semitism, that being left for the Freak Show of the politicians here who cavort with their fellow Freak Show rat friends in America.

The Jews are leaving slowly but surely from Bolivia because the government, a cat's paw for the Left fascism rampant in America and many other nations of Modernity demand it of those who would have their favour. But such is the nature of the fools who play at politics as religion. The people here are, to your seeming confusion, normal in that they are not at all obsessed with hating Jews, those who are neighbours and friends and passers-by on the streets. It is the profession idiots of the poligion who are the shame of this nation and our own, assuming you to be American.

But enough of that and this.

I tried to post my thoughts to the articles page, but supraz supraz supraz, when I tried to post a comment it didn't show up. It looks like these people, as usual, only care about their own free speech rights.

There are only two comments and they are supporting the protest. One comes from someone claiming to be a WWII combat vet. (Do you believe that claim? Because I sure as hell don't!)

I still feel obligated to suggest people try to post their reactions there anyway.

Happy Easter, Kepha.

I would write more about the Jews of La Paz were I not tired and out of words, as we see from my hasty notes above. I will mention that there is a large Jewish school in the city, but that many of the students are non-Jewish. It's an expensive and more or less a private school, not surprising considering that Bolivia is a "Third World" nation, in large part thanks directly to the buffoons in politics here rather than to do with the industrious and assertive peasant class doing whatever they can to get rich and thus to join the rest of the world. The Jews in La Paz I talk to, and many of them are expats like myself, like the city and the nation and the people, all hard not to like; but they are slowly moving out, not many but too many to sustain a Jewish quarter over the years at this rate. They leave when the government makes their lives intolerable. It's not jihadi terror that drives them out, nor is it anti-Semitic neighbours fuelled by religious hatreds; it is the government doing petty and stupid things to private individuals who finally get sick of it and leave a place they like living in otherwise. Still, there are thousands of Jews here, most of them content to live their lives in peace. The Jewish quarter, for those who travel some, is exciting and vibrant here, in spite of what the media might suggest of Argentina and Venezuela. Not the same places or the same people. Jews here are often young and social and happy. So too with the majority of Bolivians, which makes it a good mathch. It's the government of pseudo-religious idiots who wreck the personal lives of those they feel they must demonise for the sake of moral clarity. It's not Manichean, it's just cheap and stupid and cowardly camp following in the hopes of picking up litter after the main violence is done by others. The buffoon president of this place has never had an original thought, which is typical of the leftards I encounter here so often. If and when the last Jew leaves, then the idiot religious political cliques will turn on the Chinese, a group here who are relatively larger and pretty much pleased with their economic success as well. n short, I'm saying that there is a small group of ideological puppets who have no idea what they mean when they mouth the cliches of the Left, and it is that political clique who wreck this nation whenever they attempt to act in the world people. The people of this "plurinational" republic are pretty good folk over all, not all people being anything like likeable.If left to themselves, the Bolivians would be about the most successful folk on earth, I think. It's the wannabes in politics who wreck life for the people. And that happens because there are Conformity Hippies who think they are more moral than God if they follow fools like Morales, the president here who follows Castro and Chavez and who, like them, is a Gnostic buffoon.

Bolivia, to my dismay and near sickness of the soul, is a better nation than my own. I am so unhappy to see a once great nation destroyed by a Freak Show of mindless fools who have no sense whatever of such commonplaces as "normal." Why is a tiny little nation like this that was in my recent memory something of a nasty joke now a place so far superiour to my own nation? How could my fellow citizens and friends and family have fallen so low as to question the idea of "normal"? How can pseudo-intellectuals be so incredibly self-revealing? Oh, it could be due to a lack of the concept of shame.

Kepha (if so,) and others interested in the religion of politics, might be interested in so heavily Germanic and overly academic turgidity by Eric Voegelin, particularly _Order and History_. Much of my thought these days in deeply influenced by his writing in those five volumes. for those who can't grasp "normal" I am sorry to report there is, to my knowledge, no _Voegelin for Dummies_.

sonofwalker,

I too am a Voegelin fan. Years ago, I read all four volumes of OH (the fifth was still a couple of decades away at least three times through -- the first time to absorb as much as I could; the second to mark passages; the third to copy all those passages onto paper). More importantly to me were his essays published in various journals (the most astounding to me being Wisdom and the Magic of the Extreme: A Meditation; but all superb and provocative in various ways). With one or two exceptions, I managed to track down all his essays in different scholarly journals and read them -- back in the days before the Internet, when you had to actually look things up in a card catalogue and go hunting down stacks of books. One of them I was only able to find in an obscure divinity library in Cambridge, Mass. A couple I had to have my university's library order from outside. Needless to say, I xeroxed them all. (Now, of course, the Voegelinian society has reproduced them all in bound volumes.) I have yet to read his study of Nazi Germany and the whole "race idea" in his philosophy-of-history terms.

The one glaring lacuna in the Voegelinian ouevre, of course, is that he didn't bother to spend time studying, and analyzing, Islam. The sum total of his mentions of Islam probably amount to two and a half pages. He was more concerned with the "pneumopathology" ("disease of the spirit") of modernity which -- being a German who lived through World War One, the Depression, and then having to flee his home country in the 1930s, Germany, because he refused to condemn a Jewish colleague -- tended to be more of a preoccupation for him than Islam (just as we tend not to blame Reagan too much for putting the U.S.S.R. on the front burner during the 1980s while availing ourselves of a little Realpolitik in the form of mujahideen mercenaries).

Finally, about 7 years ago, I finally got around to reading the fifth volume of OH, which is really a work in its own right -- much slimmer than those four tomes, yet intensely more complex and dense; and no longer historiographical at all, really, but almost purely an interior analysis of consciousness in its tension between the various poles of existence.

On another note, you sound like quite the cosmopolitan. Took some time to look at your blog "No Dhimmitude" and I noticed from an old comment you made on JW back in 2005 that you said you have traveled to "many Muslim countries". When I read your blog, I get a Pico Iyer vibe. In fact, you should sit down with Pico and Thomas Friedman (if he can find time from his hectic careering down the Upper DeNile) one of these days and try to knock some sense into their heads about Islam.

Do they have a hosepipe ban in Fremont Calif. also?

LemonLime, that was pretty excellent.

Will try to keep up some correspondence here like I did in years past, but consider that I am using the Internet in the Amazon at this time and it's not as simple as turning on the computer and banging away at ease. Will do my best to maintain some contact.

My best,

Dag Walker,

Coroico, Bolivia.

This is very much off-topic, but in reference to Pico Iyer a bit relevant:

My book, _An Occasional Walker_, is now available through amazon.com.

http://www.amazon.com/Occasional-Walker-D-W/dp/0987761501/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331063095&sr=1-1

A work of occasional writings, this book covers holidays, memorable days, and days of occasions we share as members of a small and perhaps shrinking world of Modernity. Part memoir of a traveller, part dwelling on the possible, this work is a look at our time and a hope for our future.

I kept the blurb as low-profile as I could. The book should speak for itself. I think it does, though maybe the blurb says too little.

Thanks sonofwalker, I saw that notice on your blog about your book. I'll definitely check it out. If you ever find the time, I'd also like to discuss a little Voegelin. (I also have an anecdote about the official Voegelin discussion forum that may surprise you, but which I'd rather not express here in such an open forum.)

But..."Iraq veterans against the war"? What the heck is that? Can soldiers decide on the war they are called to fight in? Shouldn't they follow the orders of the CiC indicated by the Constitution, however imperfect he may be? What are we going to have next time? "Soldiers who like the salary and the parades, but don't ask us to fight"? Is the US military becoming French?
I am sure 99.999% of US Soldiers know (and are) better that that.

Wrong place to protest.
The elements that prolong these campaigns are the heart-weepers of the State Department, and their status-seekers in agencies like AID. They live like agas while troops eat and sleep in the fields and mountains.

Thanks sonofwalker. It sounds promising and fruitful. It may take me a few days because of other concerns. You and the others there will definitely hear from me soon.

"Demonstrators carried posters with photos of the civilians killed"

Would have been more believable had they protested the assassins of 9-11.

sonofwalker, you must be darn insecure if you have to on such a vitriolic hate-filled rant like you did. I'm sorry for you. FYI, real bigotted people have to resort to name calling. Now what have your REALLY accomplished?

FREMONT, Calif. - Over 100 demonstrators, including many from this city's large Afghan American community, shut down its military recruiting center in a non-violent action March 30 as they protested the killing of 17 civilians by a U.S. soldier earlier in the month and other atrocities against Afghan civilians, and demanded an end to nearly eleven years of war.

The shooting of the civilians is a silly thing to protest -- after all, who supports it?
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No one does, this is all theater.

Fremont is the home to Omeed Aziz Popal, the SF Sudden Jihad killer, and contains the largest Afghan population in the country.

Fremont is just a few towns over from Oakland, where I live.

More:

The protest, organized by Afghans for Peace and Iraq Veterans against the War, was joined by others from Fremont's Afghan American community - the largest in the U.S. - and from San Francisco Bay Area Occupy movements and peace organizations...
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Jihadists and clueless leftists. What a dismal match. Of course, those leftists wouldn't last long in a Shari'ah state—they never have. They sure are useful idiots in the meantime, though.

More:

"Everything is intertwined with power and money and resources," Afghans for Peace member and college student Abass Darab told the crowd as demonstrators blocked the recruiting station's entrances.

Just as Native Americans were forced off their lands over resources, he said, the U.S. is in Afghanistan, "treating people the way we're treating them, because they have natural gas, they have minerals. None of the wars that are happening today have been without a huge impact on resources that are available in those countries....
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What absolute crap. There's nothing there worth going to war over. Afghanistan is mostly a barren country. It's not like we're there to corner the market on lapis lazuli.

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Harun Arsalai emphasized that there is no military solution. "The people, not the puppets, need to be in power," he said. "No corrupt leaders, no U.S., no Taliban. Afghanistan is the most fertile country in the world, yet people are starving there, and hundreds of thousands are dying."

I'm sure the Taliban will happily defer to "the people," Harun.
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God, what idiocy. The brutal Taliban will back five minutes after we pull out. But then, what would you expect from someone who characterizes the rocky scree of Afghanistan as "the most fertile country in the world"?