In wake of jihad mass murder at Jewish school, New York Times presents Muslims in France as victims fearing "backlash"

Predictable, but no less monstrous for that. "Muslims in France Waiting for the Backlash," by Souad Mekhennet for the New York Times, April 10:

PARIS — The attacks in France committed by Mohammed Merah, a French-born Muslim whose parents migrated from Algeria, have millions of Muslims living in the West worried about the potential consequences. In particular, women worry that they will become the focus of campaign politics.

Many friends who wear the hijab and live in Europe reported getting angry looks after the attacks, said Malika, 29, a German of Moroccan background who works in a bank and declined to have her last name published.

Angry looks! Horror of horrors! The other day I was at a Hertz counter and a Muslim clerk gave me a dirty look -- I don't think he recognized me, but perhaps just took me for a Jew -- and ostentatiously bypassed me for the person behind me in line. Will the New York Times write about me?

Mr. Merah, 23, had traveled to Pakistan and Afghanistan and claimed affiliation with Al Qaeda. He killed seven people, three of them children.

“It is terrible what he has done, and there is nothing in Islam that justifies the killing of innocents, especially children,” said Naima, 26, who also spoke on the condition that her full identity be withheld.

The problem is that Muslim hardliners consider no non-Muslim to be innocent. And the Qur'an tells us that "the unbelievers among the People of the Book" -- that is, the Jews and Christians who reject Muhammad and Islam -- are not human beings worthy of respect although they differ from Muslims in conscience, but "the worst of creatures" (Qur'an 98:6).

Naima and other Muslims in France would no doubt strongly reject such a view, but we cannot know that for sure, since they do not address it, and no mainstream media journalist ever asks them to do so.

“But will we Muslims, and especially Muslim women, have to pay the price now?”

No. The rabbi and the children Merah murdered at the Jewish school in the name of Islam and jihad already paid the price.

Naima cited the debate in France over where Mr. Merah was to be buried — in the end, Algeria refused his body, and he was buried in Toulouse — as evidence of double standards about who is embraced as French and who remains firmly Muslim.

“When someone is like Zidane, a great sportsman, they say he’s French, and when one like Merah, who is a child of this society, runs nuts and kills people, they say he’s not one of us,” she said.

You mean you want to claim him?

Naima’s parents, like Mr. Merha’s [sic], came from Algeria. She grew up in the suburbs of Paris.

Naima and many other Muslims in Europe wonder whether they are caught in a vicious cycle in which increasing xenophobia helps radicalize a generation of Muslims born in France, and they ask whether attacks like Mr. Merah’s will further increase Islamophobia.

Notice that it is "xenophobia" that helps "radicalize" young Muslims. Texts of the Qur'an and Sunnah exhorting believers to wage war against unbelievers? No, those have nothing to do with this "radicalization," nothing whatsoever. It is entirely the fault of the West, despite the fact that Muslim leaders in Europe have repeatedly warned Muslims there not to assimilate, but to form ethnic/religious enclaves. The Muslim leader Dyab Abou Jahjah in Belgium said a few years back that "assimilation is cultural rape."

Mahvish Rukhsana Khan, an American lawyer living in Los Angeles and the author of the book “My Guantánamo Diary,” asserted that “French politics have generated anti-Islamic sentiment,” but that clearly Mr. Merah “needed his head checked.”

Yet again, there is no hint whatsoever that any Muslims could have done anything to be responsible for any "anti-Islamic sentiment," if any actually exists.

“Nothing justifies his heinous attacks,” she said.

Mr. Merah also stated that France had become increasingly anti-Muslim, citing the ban of the niqab, the veil over women’s faces....

“Between having entire families massacred in Kandahar by a sociopath U.S. soldier, drones wiping out entire families or bombs dropping on weddings,” Mrs. Khan said, “there are multiple sources to anger toward Western countries.”

Yes, and no reasons at all for what Mrs. Khan would term "Islamophobia." Just never mind all those jihad terror attacks committed in the name of Islam.

Mrs. [Yvonne] Ridley said: “Western governments must start to take responsibility for their actions abroad, and these actions are not usually with the consent or in the agreement of their own citizens who elected them.”

Yes, yes, Western governments must start to take responsibility. But do Muslims need to start taking responsibility for how jihadists use the texts and teachings of Islam to incite to violence? Of course not!

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I think it's pretty hard to make a more stupid article than what Souad MEKHENNET has delivered there...
This statement is particularly st0000pid:"Naima cited the debate in France over where Mr. Merah was to be buried — in the end, Algeria refused his body, and he was buried in Toulouse — as evidence of double standards about who is embraced as French and who remains firmly Muslim."

His own family wanted to bury him in Algeria, showing how "French" they truly feel, so what double standard is this 'naima' character talking about?

Too bad NYT doesn't allow for comments on their pages!

The boy who cried wolf.

That story runs through my mind every time the media foists upon us stories of the bullies (musloids) PERHAPS becoming victims.

IF musloids are murdered en masse by roving packs of "islamophobes" I'm at the point where I just wouldn't care.

I certainly wouldn't offer any of them safe haven.

And they will have no one to blame but themselves. But of course, they will blame everyone BUT themselves.

Tunisia’s government is marking the 10th anniversary of the al-Qaida bombing attack that killed 21 people at the synagogue on the island of Djerba.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/04/11/tunisian-president-in-djerba-to-mark-decade-since-bloody-synagogue-attack/#ixzz1rkGz6Lo1

Youssef

Victims I tell ya. Even Allah's strike force, imported Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood "freedom" fighters, are victims of "resistance" everywhere where there is any opposition of any kind. Some folks just fail to see the inherent value in the sustainable practice of raping and pillaging. (sarc)

Obama can call upon his policy of Responsibility to Protect to smash the (non-Islamic) resistance in any "civil war" of his choosing. Even in France, just as in Syria or Egypt * * *.

Is there a clinical diagnosis for folks that appear to be pathologically passive-aggressive? Is the label for it "Muslim"?

no the koran has nothing to do with it!! koran my a....

In wake of jihad mass murder at Jewish school, New York Times presents Muslims in France as victims fearing "backlash".

I wait for the day when the New York Times begins fearing backlash. That will be the first clear sign of the West waking up.

His own family wanted to bury him in Algeria ...
I'm cynical about the reason for that wish. Members of his family resident in France are allegedly involved in his actions and have been arrested. They would of course wish to depart France for the funeral. The family of Shaima Alawadi were in a hurry to accompany her body to Iraq, weren't they?

"Muslims in France Waiting for the Backlash"

And waiting, and waiting, and waiting.....

Many friends who wear the hijab and live in Europe reported getting angry looks after the attacks, said Malika, 29, a German of Moroccan background who works in a bank and declined to have her last name published.

Muslims get those ugly angry looks from indigenous French, Germans, Italians, Dutch, Danes, Brits, Swedes et al, and Americans, especially for the enslaved hijab clad women (unlike those more recent times when Muslims were coddled in the West with sympathetic looks of understanding and empathy, that it was "not their fault" for 9/11, 7/7, 3/11, etc) so it will play nicely into their self-professed "Islamic Game of Victimization" for those ugly stares. But Western tolerance has grown thin, and heinous jihad murders like those by Merah are no longer socially acceptable as a 'backlash' against oppression, colonialism, religious profiling, racism, etc. People have stopped to care about the 'Muslims problem', except how to get rid of it. There is a major sea change afoot, and the New York Times in its inscrutable ways is facing that change with articles like this, kind of like testing the bath water with a hesitant toe to see how hot it is. Well, folks, it's hot, and get used to it. We've read their Book.

Silly NYT, no worries ... Times they are a changin.

Backlash is a issue in third world crap-holes where these people come from. In the civilized world we don't kill all muslims just because a few act like savages. We just kill those few.

Actually they DO allow comments, but typically not on articles like this where the comments might cause them to reassess some myths and fantasies that they hold dear. They are not good at cognitive dissonance.

In wake of jihad mass murder at Jewish school, New York Times presents Muslims in France as victims fearing "backlash"
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And yet, what *really* happened in the wake of the Jihad mass murder at a Jewish school was...another Jewish child being attacked by Muslim thugs while walking home from a Jewish school in Paris:

"'Youths reciting anti-Semitic slogans' beat up 12-year-old Jewish boy in Paris"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/03/youths-reciting-anti-semitic-slogans-beat-up-12-year-old-jewish-boy-in-paris.html

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Predictable, but no less monstrous for that. "Muslims in France Waiting for the Backlash," by Souad Mekhennet for the New York Times, April 10:

PARIS — The attacks in France committed by Mohammed Merah, a French-born Muslim whose parents migrated from Algeria, have millions of Muslims living in the West worried about the potential consequences...
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Are they worried that more of their vicious coreligionists will murder French people? Hell no—they don't care.

More:

In particular, women worry that they will become the focus of campaign politics.
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Check out *this* neat trick. When you hear about "backlash" from violence, you typically think more violence. But what does the above refer to? Probably some issue like the French actually enforcing the Burqa ban.

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Many friends who wear the hijab and live in Europe reported getting angry looks after the attacks, said Malika, 29, a German of Moroccan background who works in a bank and declined to have her last name published.
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"Angry looks" and mass murder are now apparently one and the same...sarc/off

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Mr. Merah, 23, had traveled to Pakistan and Afghanistan and claimed affiliation with Al Qaeda. He killed seven people, three of them children.

“It is terrible what he has done, and there is nothing in Islam that justifies the killing of innocents, especially children,” said Naima, 26, who also spoke on the condition that her full identity be withheld.
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Aren't you sick of this? This Muslimah—like the one above—who refuse to give their names are clearly implying that they would run into trouble from the French authorities for these kinds of comments. What absolute crap.

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The problem is that Muslim hardliners consider no non-Muslim to be innocent. And the Qur'an tells us that "the unbelievers among the People of the Book" -- that is, the Jews and Christians who reject Muhammad and Islam -- are not human beings worthy of respect although they differ from Muslims in conscience, but "the worst of creatures" (Qur'an 98:6).
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Exactly. If you pay attention to the wording, this only applies to the poor Jewish children who were murdered *by implication*. "Naima" never actually directly says these kids were innocent.

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“But will we Muslims, and especially Muslim women, have to pay the price now?”
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"Pay the price"—how? It is highly unlikely that some crazed Frenchman bent on revenge is going to gun them down—that's not how we civilized Infidels roll.

Instead, she's talking about a bit of increased scrutiny, which would probably be a good idea in any case.

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Naima cited the debate in France over where Mr. Merah was to be buried — in the end, Algeria refused his body, and he was buried in Toulouse — as evidence of double standards about who is embraced as French and who remains firmly Muslim.

“When someone is like Zidane, a great sportsman, they say he’s French, and when one like Merah, who is a child of this society, runs nuts and kills people, they say he’s not one of us,” she said.
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Wow. Well, most civilized people would think like this. I'm fine with considering civilized and accomplished Muslims to be full Westerners.

Mass-murdering Jihadists? Not so much. As noted, I'd like to know if "Naima" considers the horrific Mohammed Merah 'one of us'—whatever that might mean. Does she consider herself French, or—like so many Muslims—just part of the Ummah? Entirely unclear.

Besides, it was Mohammed Merah's own family who wanted him buried in Algeria—it had nothing whatsoever to do with whether France considered him a proper Frenchman or not.

It was the Algerian authorities who declined to allow his burial there, since it would probably stir up the local Jihadists and cause trouble for them.

More:

Naima and many other Muslims in Europe wonder whether they are caught in a vicious cycle in which increasing xenophobia helps radicalize a generation of Muslims born in France, and they ask whether attacks like Mr. Merah’s will further increase Islamophobia.
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What absolute crap. Souad Mekhennet is here blaming Westerners for their own victimization by Jihadists due to their supposed "Islamophobia". Never mind that the Jihad ideology predated the Muslim presence in the West by hundreds of years.

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Mahvish Rukhsana Khan, an American lawyer living in Los Angeles and the author of the book “My Guantánamo Diary,” asserted that “French politics have generated anti-Islamic sentiment”
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The only reason France is being accused of this is that their Muslim population is the largest in the West, at about 8%. When Muslims reach this concentration they become increasingly aggressive and violent. This has nothing whatsoever to do with French "anti-Islamic sentiment".

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“Between having entire families massacred in Kandahar by a sociopath U.S. soldier, drones wiping out entire families or bombs dropping on weddings,” Mrs. Khan said, “there are multiple sources to anger toward Western countries.”

Mrs. [Yvonne] Ridley said: “Western governments must start to take responsibility for their actions abroad, and these actions are not usually with the consent or in the agreement of their own citizens who elected them.”
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Both these meretricious Muslims are referring—in a particularly warped manner, of course—to Western *reactions* to violent Jihad. While Western leaders have made many mistakes in Afghanistan, our involvement there—and setting up Guantanamo—was an attempt to defend against violent Jihad.

No mention of that here. You'd think both of these were no more than Western caprice.

Here's more from Souad Mekhennet, including a lovely primer on "Jihad Etiquette":

"The Guidebook for Taking a Life"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/10/weekinreview/10moss.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=insidethejihad

And here's a disturbing piece by that same "journalist":

"A Jihad by Muslim Women against Violence"

http://newageislam.com/ijtihad,-rethinking-islam/a-jihad-by-muslim-women-against-violence/d/5196

In this, she posits that one reaction to the Breivik killings is...uh...setting up a Shari'ah state in Britain.

Another reaction—the main point of the article—is to make sure that Muslimahs are as indoctrinated in the vile tenets of Islam as are the menfolk. This will—*somehow*— supposedly mitigate against violence.

Most of the claims in this Taqiyya-filled piece are just laughable. Oh—and again, the main problem is not violent Islamic Jihad, but bad old "Islamophobes"...

I wish it were true that we kill those few Muslims who act like savages. We give them life in prison or some lighter sentence if we even bother to prosecute.

The fact is that Islam is a savage belief system, a belief system for savages.

I vote for backlash. Sign me up. The entire tribe needs to understand that if they don't change, they're going to get hammered.

As for "backlash" and "dirty looks" - I heard that after 9/11, someone took a swipe at some Muslimina's hijab - in Atlanta I think...

I don't know how these people can take it...

Let see "dirty looks versus:

Bombings in Paris, Madrid, Bali, London and Moscow, the Belsan School massacre, the Cole, the Embassy bombings, the bombings in Sweden, the Times Square Bomber, the Shoe Bomber, the Toronto 18,innumerable vicious honour killings,the Shafia killings, Daniel Pearl's decapitation, the Somali Pirates, Fort Hood, the multitude of Christian Church bombings over the last months and the ensuing genocide against Christians, the treatment of woman and more than 18,000 episodes involving religious-based killing since 911.

moral equivalency? Are you nuts?

"Yes, yes, Western governments must start to take responsibility."

There's one way we can take responsibility and they might not like it:

We can remove all our soldiers from Muslim countries, and refuse to deal with them EVER AGAIN.
No nation building, no foreign aid, nothing!
If you are taken over by dictators, then you will have to free yourselves.
To those in neighboring countries who want to remove Assad and others from power: if you want it done right then do it yourself.

Your scenario of us succumbing to Islam by sheer weight of numbers is, of course, possible. But you don't take into account the effectiveness of the global transparency of accurate information about Islam and its dangers.

Queen Isabella didn't have the Internet to help in the fight against the violent ideology of Islam. We do!

News of attacks against non-Islamic societies by Muslims following Al Qur'an's mandate to '..fight until all religion is for Allah', become known by millions around the world within hours. Take Merhan's Toulouse rampage, for example.

One thing Islam hates is knowledge of its violent activities becoming known. That's why CAIR tries hard to stifle embarrasing news, that's why Reza Aslan uncoils like a scalded snake to spit and bite anyone who might say that the latest honor-killing in America was an Islamophobic attack.

Keeping a strobe light focused on every corner of the world where Islam is at work is effective. There are many people leaving Islam due to an increased understanding of Islam's real agenda.

Queen Isabella would have given her biggest tiara to have an Arabic version of Robert Spencer's 'Did Muhammed Exist?' to distribute to Muslims all across the Middle East.

Just wait til the contents of that book start to gain traction all across the green crescent countries.

Technology shrunk Islam 500 years ago. It'll happen again.
And technology should always be the weapon of choice of the Infidels. We don't have to lower our moral standards to Islamic levels.

Cheers!

Still here, you repulsive neo-nazi ? No-one's biting, so bugger off.

In my post to 'towelhead'

I meant, of course: '...that's why Reza Aslan uncoils like a scalded snake to spit and bite anyone who might say that the latest honor-killing in America was NOT an Islamophobic attack.'

Hey Robert,

Maybe the Muslim at hertz mistook you for the infamous, greasy islamophobe 'Robert Spencer' of well-funded islamophobia peddlars, 'jihadwatch'?

OT but still related.

I was watching a vidoe yesterday on CNN. it was a very rare video of Bin Laden's Apt. there were three of his wives reading the koran while little kids were playing around. one kid was palying with a white bunny doll and another kid was chewing on a yellow rubber duchie!!! all fo which were invented right here in america for our kids!!!!!!!!!!

OMG! This is just too much.

Shootings, beheadings, suicide bombings, desecrating bodies and historic buildings, mass slaughters, rapes, torture, enslavement, female genital mutialation, acid attacks, stonings, child brides - I can handle knowing all that exists in the world today.

But muslimahs getting angry looks??!! What is the world coming to that we would tolerate such an atrocity? I realize now that muslims are the real victims in the world today. All the terrorism committed in the name of allah is justified because the kufar gives muslimahs dirty looks.

I'd like to ask those Jihad Watchers (= readers of JW and supporters of its general agenda) who insist that there exist harmless Muslims out there and add the anecdotal personal evidence that they personally know "many decent Muslims" -- are you telling me that all those harmless Muslims you hypothesize must exist, and all the decent Muslims you "know" (how well, one wonders do you actually "know" them) would not answer, once you asked them the right questions, with the prevarications and obfuscations of Naima reported in the article above? I bet you've never put them to the test.

NYTimes is worried about the backlash against Muslims in France, why? Is it their business to worry about Muslims all over the world when Muslims are the ones killing non-Muslims all over.

So why doesn't NYT tell Muslims to live like normal human beings for a change instead of behaving like possessed demons and see if they will get any backlash or angry looks from the rest of us!! As usual NYT editors don't get it since they are brain dead just like Muslims!!

On the topic of 'harmless Muslims'.

I lived in Saudi during the 1990s, and I met a lot of Muslims who were heartily sick of Islam. But one guy I met from Britain who converted to Islam to marry a local girl once said to me: 'Look, Islam is like an operating system on a computer. The computer's fine, but nothing happens unless you install an OS. That's like me and Islam. Islam is the OS that enables me to get through life here without any hassle.'

Believe me, LemonLime, there are hundreds of millions of Muslims who couldn't give a toss about Islam. But they wouldn't be able to get through life in a Muslim society without muttering Inshallah every 5 seconds, or nodding vigorously when anyone says that blaspheming 'the prophet' should be a crime that merits death.

It's much like the way millions of Communists didn't care about Communism, but went along with the whole thing just to get through life in one piece.

But give the disatisfied millions a chance to question the system, just as the communist system was chipped away at by relentless revelations of its deficiencies, and Islam will fold. Oh, there will always be the equivalents of an Islamic North Korea somewhere, but Islam's power to destroy other societies will have gone forever.

Like Communism, once you take apart Islam's ideology and show everyone that it is riddled with faults and inconsistencies, it will fold!

Buraq: That's like me and Islam. Islam is the OS that enables me to get through life here without any hassle.'

Nice analogy, except for one thing. This OS acts like a virus when other computers are networked, they become extremely violent towards dissimilar OS's.

"But will we Muslims, and especially Muslim women, have to pay the price now?"

Yes, receiving dirty looks comes with the terrority of being a muslim ...

The truth about islam & company is spreading, and more and more people have discovered that islam is NOT a religion of peace, but rather a religion of violence. So if one chooses to remain a muslim, then of course they must be willing to accept the baggage of being mistrusted and even despised by others. Sorry, but this is a no brainer: being mistrusted comes with the terroritory. And this is your problem, not ours.

Wouldn't it be nice if the NY Times took a little more interest in Muslim women in the West who pressure their daughters to adopt the hijab and Muslim ways, and if they don't the mothers participate in their daughters' honor killings? Talk about backlash.

Buraq,

It's not like Communism. When the wall began coming down, Russians and others literally ran away from their homes, running across fields without even luggage, blindly in the direction of freedom from Communism.

What do we see with Muslims? They come to the West not running away from their totalitarianism, but bringing its baggage with them -- the baggage is not external, to be checked at customs. It is inside their hearts and heads. They refuse to leave Islam, even when they are in the free West.

Nothing like those who were trying to escape Communism.

I think Buraq is partially right. There are many Muslims who are nominal Muslims only.

The trouble is there are enough believing Muslims to fry the world. Islam feeds on ignorance and indoctrination and the less education that there is the more it flourishes.

The way to combat it is to counter and close the indoctrination and have more education.

There is no such thing as a "nominal Muslim". Either one follows every jot and tittle of the koran and is a Muslim or one does not and is apostate or and infidel. Period.

The NYT journalist is a Musloid as I guessed based on his fact avoiding style of writing - got this about him from the pedia:

Souad Mekhennet is a german journalist of Turkish–Moroccan descent who works for The New York Times, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung and German television ZDF.

It is not surprising these stories are pro-Musloids.

as you know I am an oppstae, howevre there many millions of muslims who do not take evry word of the koran literally. I can tell this to you for sure as I am among them a lot.
M

Rich,

"I think Buraq is partially right. There are many Muslims who are nominal Muslims only."

How does this hypothetical category of Muslim, the "nominal Muslim" -- which we are bound to assume must exist but for which we can never have sufficiently reliable proof with any given Muslim claimed to fit that category -- differ in theory and in function from that other category, the "moderate Muslim".

The only difference I can see is that we can prove that the latter cannot exist unless the Muslim in question is a) sincere and b) schizophrenic enough to delude himself into believing in a moderate Islam that doesn't exist.

Other than that, as far as I can see, their function does not differ. So why should we reinforce the hypothesis? Why not just assume that any given Muslim who seems harmless is actually deadly but trying (and apparently, oftimes succeeding) to deceive us? If some genuinely harmless Muslims get caught in our gears of self-defense, that should not be our problem, and certainly its consideration should not hinder us in taking the measures we have the right to take to protect our societies.

And finally, why do I have to articulate this simple point for umpteenth time on this upper slope of Mt. Jihad Watch documenting all this grisly data about all the horrors and terrors and lies Muslims say do and say day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year...?

Hit the "Publish" button a wee too quickly. Let's try that final paragraph again:

And finally, why do I have to articulate this simple point for the umpteenth time on this upper slope of Mt. Jihad Watch documenting all this grisly data about all the horrors and terrors and lies Muslims do and say day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year...?

Buraq wrote:

Believe me, LemonLime, there are hundreds of millions of Muslims who couldn't give a toss about Islam. But they wouldn't be able to get through life in a Muslim society without muttering Inshallah every 5 seconds, or nodding vigorously when anyone says that blaspheming 'the prophet' should be a crime that merits death.
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I took note of your last example, Buraq.

As long as this is just nodding agreement, it may not be that big a deal—although even then, wouldn't one find it rather disturbing that death for blaspheming the "Prophet" is Islam's default?

But the real problem is when those serious Muslims put their creed into practice. These nominal Muslims might *never* consider dragging a Christian or apostate out of his house and having him executed for "blasphemy", but would they raise a hand to save him?

I really doubt it. A combination of fear for their own lives, general apathy, and sneaking agreement with their more pious brethren would likely stop them.

So—while it's marginally heartening to realize that not every one of those billion-plus Muslims are intent on murdering us personally, we can count on *very* few of them as allies against their more savage coreligionists.

You're also either dyslexic or you've had too many scotches, Miriam, based on the spelling and punctuation of your last post! Ha! Hope you're well. How's your son doing?

Ima

LL, I agree with you completely. In my opinion (and I hasten to use steal this phrase GWB), "you're either with us or against us." By that I mean that if you identify yourself as a muslim, then you are either 1) 100% on board with islam, its teachings, its "prophet," its law (sharia), its inequities, etc., or 2) willfully complicit with 1) but unwilling to do anything about it and/or lying about your support of it.

After 9/11, which really was the starting point for me in terms of learning about muslims and islam, I started wondering about the motivations of the muslim terrorists. As I was living in Asia at the time and was not really exposed to blogs such as JW, et al, I had to basically rely on the MSM for my news. I kept wondering when they would release the "list of demands," as the terrorists in "Die Hard" would do.

At any rate, I, and everyone else here on JW has taken it upon themselves to learn as much as we can about islam, muslims, and what motivates them because of THEIR actions over the last 10-15 years (not ours!). In short, if I can do it, then I hold muslims themselves to a much higher standard as it is their "religion" not mine under whose name so many atrocities are committed.

If an overwhelming number of white, anglo-saxon protestant, middle-aged men began committing mass-murder in the name of some WASPy ideology, I'd be the first to distance myself from them, and I expect no less from muslims.

Sadly, as is the case 100% of the time, muslims seem only to want to make excuses and pretend that WHAT IS isn't, rather than have to cojones to just say, "Hey, this is BS, and I want nothing to do with it."

As a result, I will treat any person with respect, but will continue to "suspect" any and all muslims who continue to willfully, well, be muslims. Make any sense?

Ima

The only backlash I would condone, but look forward to, is a serious reduction in state sponsored, or charity sponsored muslim immigration.

That, and the immediate arrest of jihadists and expulsion of muslims who favor sedition.

What about the freaking FRONTLASH??? The Muslims are murderously FRONTLASHING non-Muslims all over the world!


I remember this taqqiyah tactic from the 9/11 attack because in Toronto ,canada we had Imam's telling the media that "backlash" from candians was causing fear in their women when the walk alone on the steet. But, once pushed on the issue , the Imam said that MANY females in the mosque came to him as said that " People were looking at them AS IF they were terrorists", huh?????.
That's paranoia not islamophobia, but to be safe I, wore sun glasses to ease their fears since a radical pro-hamas mosque was just down the street from me where Niqab cald females are common. But after 9/11 when i saw a burka clad females get on the Streetcar or Bus near me i would just get off to be safe . The right think wopuld have been to saty on the bus and be tolerant , but i may have ended up being DEAD right when the suicide-vest went-off like in the UK buses jiahds.

That's the thing - the guy was radicalized in Afghanistan and Pakistan - not in France!

Look at Islam's history - there is a long historic tradition of radicalizing people.

The Ottomans - the Indian conquests - periods all known for training young men and boys - most often captives to go and fight jihad - often against their own people - which is exactly what they are doing in Africa now - doubt if the fabled islamophobia is the biggest problem here!!

Even Erdogan put his mouth on it - encouraging Turkish Muslims in Europe not to integrate - while on a trip visiting Germany!

There are even now on going efforts in the US - to discourage assimilation - in US Muslim populations - the New York Times will no doubt be focusing on the results of these efforts in a few years!

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Mrs. [Yvonne] Ridley:

Who

She's the Stockholm Syndrome woman - as a reporter she was captured in Afghanistan by the Taliban and converted to full blown Islam - definitely of the radical persuasion - in fact she was one of the speakers cited for delivering a radical sermon at the University of London - when the Underpants Bomber was head of the Muslim Association there.

The idea that the New York Times sought out Ridley's opinion - raises questions - about how desperate they are to hold to a particular view - Ridley - a British citizen - has been listed as persona-non-grata in India - for her radical views [expressed in that country] - when she tried to attend a Southern Indian convention on women's empowerment for an Islamic revolution!!

Psychologically she is still pleasing her Taliban capturers - who she is no doubt eternally grateful to for letting her go - even though as she puts it - she was acting like a ''typical western woman'' [as in being assertive -Hello!!]

She for the most part wears a turban [not a headscarf] in the Taliban style.

Last seen round about trying to free the female jihadist - Lady Al Qaeda!!

Thanks Ima. Makes sense to me. I don't know why so many Jihad Watchers have to qualify the issue. The simple facts are that

1) we have the right to defend our society

2) we have the right to assess whether defense would require pre-emptive actions

3) if our defense requires pre-emptive actions, we have the right to take them

4) before and during WW2, we could have killed far fewer of our enemy -- including hundreds of thousands of otherwise innocent Germans and Japanese -- had we taken pre-emptive actions

5) it is reasonable to assume that if we continue to hamstring ourselves with regard to our enemy, Muslims following Islam, we will end up unavoidably killing far more of them if we continue to psych ourselves into thinking we cannot take pre-emptive actions against them -- so the ethical responsibility for killing "too many" of the enemy over the next 50-100 years falls squarely on the shoulders of those who are afraid of their own Western shadow, who will have hindered their own West from defending itself in time -- rather than after millions are mass murdered, forcing us to take actions far worse than we would have had to have taken otherwise.

Notice how my diction requires such grammatical straining as to use the future perfect and the pluperfect, when all we need to do is think and speak the common sense of the present tense: Muslims are our enemy, and we need to defend ourselves against them FULL STOP.

Again, LL, I concur. I have postulated in a previous post months ago that eventually we will get to the point of having muslim detention centres, much like we did with the Japanese, and I believe Germans, in WWII, if we don't take proactive measures NOW. Why wait, I say, and just prevent them from coming in in the first place? The muslims that are here are welcome to stay, but their presence should be predicated, as applies to ALL immigrants, on their adherence to OUR laws and social mores. Their "culture" is NOT welcome in our land, and they should be made well aware of this. As for "home-grown" muslims, their belief system needs to be mocked and ridiculed relentlessly, so they will either 1) leave voluntarily to a muslim hell-hole of their choice, or 2) renounce their so-called "religion" and join the ranks of the infidel.

I have spent roughly half my adult life living in Asia, and while I enjoyed my time there immensely, there were things that really bothered me, socially, politically, etc., but I would never have considered "protesting" or otherwise "agitating" for my host country to change their ways to conform to mine. Otherwise, I would have been "welcomed" to leave.

I don't believe in moderate muslims, any more than I believe in moderate pedophiles or moderate murderers. Again, I say, you're either with us or against us.........there is no middle ground, and I'm tired of people pretending that there is.

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Back in 1989 when a muslim male slaughtered 14 female students in Montreal as a favour to allah, the feminists hiajcked the jihad mission to try to ban weapons and get more cash for anti-misogyny and Domestic-violence issues as if all males nwo had to wear the shame for what gamil Gharabi did .
Yes folks, the MSM and muslim themselves had conspired to cover-up the facts , but in 1999 a brave reporter went public and posted that truth about this male from a very violent and pro-Shariah household as his father was a muslim immigrant from Algeria and practised a strick misogyny and homophobia at home.
Gamil's suicide letter was also get quiet by the Police until that too was leaked later on, but as we have seen with the leftist/Liberals loving Their-Kind to a fault, the suicide message of hatred to gay, feminist, jews, and canada's freedoms in general had been ignored by them and they focused on that fact that the Terrorists Mother used to go to Church in her past and gamil was not really a true muslim by a Quebec Catholic .
WOW, so the suicide letters hatered and direct attacks on all the same hatreds from islamic-supremacy thugs had NOTING to do with islam because gamils mom once went to church prior to marrying as Algerian muslim. This causes an issue for CAIR because if a muslim male marries a non-muslim it infers that the man takes on the faith or non-faith of the female spouse.
Either that , or they must admit that Gamil's slaughter of 14 female students and his praise for allah in his suicide note IS a link to islam and muhammad via Shariah law that his muslim dad embraced .

CAIR-canada is on record from last december to link this mass-slaughter/jihad to "Domestic-Violence" as to deflect the true nature of the Shafia mass-slaughter of 4 female muslims via shariah law.
CAIR can not keep-up this charade to label all islamic based murders to non-mulsims via Domestic-Violence.

Nor can Imam Rauf get away with his candian tour in Toronto to spread hatred via his "islmophobia" crisis after the ground-Zero mosque crusades to build a "Victory" tower and tribute to hsi 19 brave brothers.
Rauf is ironically being allowed to spew is crap at the Hyatt Hotel in Toronto when it was the Hyatt that banded pamela from speaking aginst the misogynistic/homophobic/pedolphlia based push to make the USA a caliphate.

here's CAIR's release of the big even for Imam rauf.

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CAIR-CAN cordially invites you to its 2012 Gala Dinner with keynote speaker Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. While you may know Imam Feisal through his fearless work to dispel misinformation and Islamophobia during the so-called ‘Ground Zero mosque’ controversy in New York his list of accomplishments and accolades extend far higher and beyond his involvement in promoting the community's interests.

Imam Feisal is Chairman of the Cordoba Initiative, an independent, multi-national project that works to "Re-connect the Muslim World and the West." In 1997, he founded the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA), the first Muslim organization committed to bringing American Muslims and non-Muslims together through programs in academia, policy, current affairs, and culture.

For the past 25 years, Imam Feisal has been Imam of Masjid al-Farah, a New York City mosque. He has won awards from The Alliance for International Conflict Prevention and Resolution and the Interfaith Center in New York.

Frequently asked to comment on issues pertaining to Islam and the Muslim world, Imam Feisal has appeared regularly at the Council on Foreign Relations and the World Economic Forum (Davos), and in national and international media such as CNN, BBC, The New York Times, Washington Post, Frontline and Foreign Policy.

Our dinner will also afford you the opportunity to purchase and have signed Imam Feisal’s new book Moving the Mountain: Beyond Ground Zero to a New Vision of Islam in America slated to be published on May 8, 2012.

In closing we cordially invite you to spend an enjoyable evening listening to a high caliber speaker accompanied by fine dining and with time to mix and mingle with friends, co-workers and your peers with our iron-clad guarantee that there will be no ‘fundraising segment’ to the event.

WHEN: Saturday, May 12, 2012. The program begins at 6 PM

WHERE: Park Hyatt Toronto Hotel, 4 Avenue Rd., Toronto, ON (near ROM at Bloor)

SPEAKER: Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf

TICKETS: Tickets are $200 or $1800 for a table of 10. The latter includes a mention on our Table Sponsor Slideshow. Sponsorship packages are also available.

Tickets may be purchased before May 1 by emailing gta@caircan.ca

NOTE: There will be NO fundraising segment to the dinner

PARKING: Green P parking is available nearby for $6

CHILDCARE: Limited childcare is available with advance registration

For more information, email: gta@caircan.ca

CAIR-CAN is a national, non-profit, grassroots organization striving to be a leading voice that enriches Canadian society through Muslim civic engagement and the promotion of human rights.

Please support CAIR-CAN’s critical work for your future and your children’s future in Canada.

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24 candian died because of his fascists briothers backed by the Whahhabi thugs and homophobic/pedophuiles in sausi Arabia and palestine.
How dare he spit on the graves of those vicitms by calling candians islamophobes in the post-9/11 era since we have kept taking in radical and pro-Shariah muslim from islamic hell-holes and we tolerate the anti-gay and jew hater Imam's like Aly Hindy or Steve Rockwell that promised Air-Time on the CBC as Moderates.

Pam should expose this farce and warn jews in canada that CAIR sellected the Hotel right within the Complex buoldinfg where the Israli Consulate is. Why?????, because in normal protest by the jew-hating CAIR muslioms , the police stand guard to separate the muyslims from the anti-hatred canadian telling the scum to go back home .
But now that the Toronto Police have embrace Shariah-Compliance for the Hijab/Niqab female cops, CAIR can now use the jew-hater/anti-gay female muslim COPS to be suicide bombers and sneak into the event and go 'Jihad' to do damge to the Consulate and slaugh ter us filthy canadian non-muslims.

Here's the Hijab issue with Ezra levant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Es6hgOlnk

There is a Police promo video as well, but that sad part is that the Shafia mass-murders for NOT wearin a hijab
is now insylkted by those pro-Shariah misogyistic Muslim male cops that agree to oppress thier sisters.
i can bet you that the Shariah female cops will NOT be forced to work with or touch anny gay.jew, man,dog,non-halal food,fenistist or even be equal to help in the riot squads because she has an exemption to not remove the hijab and wear the riot gear.
So it's a double bonus, they don't have to touch a jew and can let the non-muslims get hurt in riots while collecting a salary equal to the fithy infidels in canada.
Just wait until this Hijab Cop is beheaded by her Moderate spouse like the Buffalo case for the TV show to display the peaceful islam image. Good luck expecting Charges when a muslm male and another hiajb cop show-up to the beheading, they will support the killer because they can't rejetc or denouce the qurans endrosement of Misogyny and murder.
BTW
How the hell will muslim cops defdend children from Pedophilies when their own prophet sanctioned it and iran practises it today.
God help the children in canada.

Bring on the backlash! I can't wait until these savages get their well- earned just desserts. It's only a matter of time.

Buraq, about the British "guy" you met in SA who married a Muslim and converted to Islam and just wants to avoid "hassle":

I tried to tell my Sudanese acquaintance, who is a raving Muslim lunatic (but had hidden his lunacy somewhat for years) that generations ago, his Nubian forefathers had converted to Islam to avoid slavery - to avoid "hassle" you might say. In return, I just got shouted at, of course. Trouble is, the children of convertees get the full treatment, the indoctrination, and down the track their descendents are raving nut cases who are capable of killing the relatives of cowards such as this "cool" British guy.

I have nothing but contempt for a pussy-whipped fool such as that man you mentioned who thinks he can cover up his SHAME at joining the vileness of Islam, to avoid hassle or for any reason at all which did not involve deadly coercion. Couldn't he have found a non-Muslim woman in all the world to marry? Even PRETENDING to follow Islam is loathsome. He followed his wife (to put it nicely)to Islam and Saudi Arabia: he joined the enemy.

Thanks to everyone who replied to points made in my earlier post.

My last word on the subject is simply this: Like Communism, Islam can only survive through violence and oppression. And like Communism, people will not accept such a dictatorship.

Yes, there are Islam's versions of putins scattered around, but the Empire is breaking up. Muslims are leaving Islam in great numbers. There is a growing understanding spreading across the world of Islam's real agenda.

Like Communism, Islam's internal contradictions, its weaknesses in every area of political, economic and social control will result in its demise.

Islam's days are numbered!

I'm going to quibble. One other problem with both Islam and Marxism-Leninism was that the liberal intelligentsiae of East and West were always ever so ready to compromise with them. It proved fatal for China in the period from 1928-49, the period when it succumbed to Communism; and who knows what follies the Western "thinking people" will further commit in our own times.

Time was when I thought that Revel's _How Democracies Perish_ was no longer relevant. I fear that it is now a book which we need to dust off; only the threat is no longer Marxist totalitarianism but Islamic totalitarianism aided and abetted by the West's free-form spirituality, EmCeePeeCee consensus, and well-worn hair shirt.

Tom Billesley: Shaima Alawadi’s family took a powder to Iraq with the help of the FBI and the State Department, once the cops had determined that she was not the victim of a “hate crime,” but of an honor killing. The MSM was so vocal about the alleged “hate crime,” now it’s non-news. This is justice under the Obama-Holder régime. The Alawadi family won’t be back. They got away with murder, with the help of our Islam-friendly government.

Then there knot Muzlemz.

The "backlash" they are claiming Muslims are worried about is the action that Muslims would take under a dhimmitude contract, they would be legally (under Sharia law) free to lift dhimmitude "protection" off of all non-Muslims and roam about plundering, abusing, raping, and murdering non-Muslims for the defiant action of one non-Muslim. Anyone who has not seen and heard of that scenario over and over again is living under the proverbial rock. The media is also seeking to prevent consequences of any kind for Muslims committing jihad.

Backlashophobia strikes again . . .

The Muslim Brotherhood's global jihad used our own saying against us in using "The best defense is a good offense" when they coined the phrase Islamophobia. Yet, they crumble when it is applied to jihad because jihad is, in truth, merely selfish ambition.

Operation: Backlash.

The title of a Tom Clancy-ish novel, about the outbreak of World War 3, set in approximately 2050.

I'm an Indian man, who has been following Jihad Watch for a long time, but never have commented. I guess I'm a bit lazy, and its nice and easier to read most of the fantastic comments on this site.

Regarding Islam and the non muslim world, I dont think we are going to see a head on confrontation. Because the muslims would'nt fight if the felt they would suffer.
Its going to be this slow bleeding of the infidel countries, with infiltration, subversion and terrorism.

When the muslims are hit hard, they tend to go on a defensive mode, and also become nice to the infidels. But all along they are breeding in the millions, and when they feel they are stronger, we can say goodbye to our way of life, our culture, history and dignity.

Its not that all muslims think about subjugation of the infidel. But they dont resist it either, mainly because of fear of falling out with the ummah.

I would'nt count on moderate or nominal muslims to support the free world.

Its for the infidel to stand up now, cause later may be too late.

Welcome, Indian Guy. Good posts.

Buraq wrote:

Islam's days are numbered!
............................

I sure hope you're right, Buraq—but I don't believe it's anything we can be sanguine about.

As always, though, I look forward to your posts.

"I dont think we are going to see a head on confrontation. Because the muslims would'nt fight if the felt they would suffer. "

We've already seen a head-on confrontation.

Over ten years ago. It's time we hit back.

''Its going to be this slow bleeding of the infidel countries, with infiltration, subversion and terrorism.''

Good post. *And denial* of murder, as the muslim parasites in France are doing right now, by saying the scum mehras murders were 'not islam.' And the leftist enablers and bleeding heart do-gooders are happily cheering them on.

We won't survive unless we fight.

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