Nicolai Sennels: People should not be citizens of the country they wage war against: Revoke terrorists' citizenship

Recently the United Arab Emirates imprisoned six Islamic supramacists because they had refused to seek alternative citizenship after the UAE had revoked their status as citizens. The six Muslims were asked to leave their former country because they are considered a threat to national security.

People should not be citizens of the country they wage war against. Nor should those who preach or teach terror. After having served their sentence, they should not enjoy membership in the society they tried to destroy, but should be expelled without the possibility to return.

Depending on the definition of terrorism, such laws could be very relevant, should Muslim-dominated areas inside our countries create physical fronts and show violent and persistent hostility towards the state. Whoever does not voluntarily leave such violent self-declared autonomous areas when asked to do so by the authorities could be considered a terrorist with the aim of using violence and threats in order to remove the rule of law in parts of the country, provoke a state of terror in the general public to obtain religious or political goals, or even achieve some degree of secession.

Considering the speed of how violent hostility towards non-Islamic authorities and non-Muslims in general grows in thousands of Europe's Islamic ghettos, we are witnessing what could be a prelude to the no-longer-so-unthinkable: the illegal borders, guerrilla warfare, terror and kidnappings that have always characterized the borders between the Houses of Submission and Jihad -- Sharia Land and the infidels.

Confronted with an organised attack -- whether staged by lone wolves, groups or whole city blocks -- with the aim of destabilizing or destroying our countries, citizenship should no longer be unconditional.

Endnote: related articles of mine "Integration, immigration and Islam-related problems: 23 suggestions for laws" and "What is Islamization? An incomplete list."

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"People should not be citizens of the country they wage war against."

Nor should they be granted visas, asylum, or tolerated as illegal "immigrants." The only resources that should be spent on them should be whatever it takes to deport them to Somalia or Afghanistan.

I'm so stunned at seeing this bold and so far unprecedented common sense, I haven't gotten my bearings yet to carefully read Sennels' entire, very brief, article.

Another cup of coffee, and I'll splash my face with warm water, wash it with lemon-lime soap, rinse with cool water, and dry vigorously with a towel.

Be back in two shakes and hope I wasn't imagining things.

Well, I'm back.

I knew it was too good to be true.

While Sennels is raising the "unthinkable", he's only doing it in the timidly delimited (and strangely absurd) context of letting the situation get so wildly out of hand, the West will have enclaves of semi-autonomous dangerous and violent Muslims -- already present now, but in embryonic form; predicated by Sennels to have mushroomed to a point where finally he proposes the supposed "unthinkable": to revoke their citizenship.

Two problems:

1) The West should not wait around for it to get that bad, for in the process of getting that bad, the chances of horrific attacks on various locations within the West, likely using some form or forms of MWDs, with horrific casualties and destruction of property, will go up astronomically.

2) Even after it gets that bad, Sennels seems to propose only a still selective revocation of citizenship -- rather than the mass totaldeportation for which his out-of-hand scenario screams. Indeed, the truly, robustly, authentically unthinkable proposal is to start deporting all Muslims now -- which will necessarily entail stripping of citizenship from all those that have it but, of course, do not deserve it. Why? For the very reasons Sennels gives in his essay, but whose logical conclusion, for some strange reason, he (like every damn body else in the anti-Islam movement) refuses to make.

Sigh. Oh well. I knew it was too good to be true. Back to sleep -- i.e., back to grim, grey, myopic reality, perpetually overcast with the clouds of PC MC; even, heartbreakingly, right smack dab inside the anti-Islam movement.

I'm so sick of this no-nonsense nonsense that's tough on the outside, but inside the same old soft nougaty shit.

Night-night. (Or rather night for day.)

Actually, as shown by the military success of the Bosnian Serb militias against the Bosnian Muslim armies, cleaning out violent Muslim enclaves will not be impossible once real hostilities begin. And, that does not entail wholesale massacres, but selective fighting against overtly hostile areas.

The biggest problem is the same problem encountered by the Bosnian Serbs: the intervention of Western armies on the side of the attacking Muslims. Chances are, any successful actions against violent, aggressive Muslim enclaves in European countries will be countered by American or Nato armies intervening on the side of the Muslims.

Like with immigration, we shoot ourselves in the foot. Immigration-wise, we had only to exclude populations which were overtly hostile to free, republican government and religious freedom.

Islam, through some muslims (not all muslims), is raging war against us.
Islam's status as a "religion" must be revoked. Mosques must be closed, Imams and hate preachers deported, Quran banned, Sharia outlawed.
To all muslims: We don't care what you believe in, just keep it for yourself!
All muslims who accept to live in such a society are more than welcome.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/05/accursed-book-le-livre-maudit.html

People in the first place should not be terrorist.
Having said that, I do not think that a country is ever entitled to remove the citizenship to one of their citizen. The reason for this constraint becomes obvious when you think of the history of the totalitarian regimes in the past century.
Every totalitarian states would use this clause against his opponens and spoil them of their citizenships and of the rights to complain.
Once you are a foreigner whether a government is legal or not is none of your business.
The Third Reich passed laws restricting the rights of the German Jews, forbidding them to be officals, and certain marriages, then sending them to concentration camps.
Poland in the same period revoked the citizenships of the Polish Jews living in Germany, so Germany expelled these Jews and Poland refused to let them in.
Poland and Czechoslovakia in the period 1954-1949 revoked the citizenship of Polish citizens of German origin without bothering too much whether they were in favour or not of the old German regime, they were not Slavs and that was enough.
Yugoslavia in 1945 wished to clean the areas near present Pulj, Rijeka, Losinj (now Croatia or Slovenia) from all Italians without asking whether they were Fascists or Reds, whether they were speaking Slovanian or ready to learn it, they were of Italian origin and that was enough.
Sorry I do not agree, if Poland gets Slesia, fine this is a problem between the German and the Polish government, i.e. between states not between a state and a person, but whoever get Slesia must also get those who were born there and grant them citizenship.
I understand that US citizens think of their constitution, which is rather "neutral", you have certain inalienable rights, whether you are a Catholic, a Protestant, a Jew or whatsoever.
Unfortunately in other parts of the world it does not work like this, consitutions are not "neutral" and not simple list of procedures; you might end up living as a not-constitutional citizen if you were born in the wrong state, and even if you wish to be a correct citizen, there is not much you can do (unless you are ready to change your faith or your political views, which I am not ready to do).

you are missing the point here. we are talking about forigner here/outsiders etc... they should not be allowed here and they should be deported. period.
M

Well I think that anyone who fights on the side of the enemy of the USA should be labled a traitor and shot.

@Beatrix: "Every totalitarian states would use this clause against his opponens and spoil them of their citizenships and of the rights to complain."

False comparison, Beatrix. If citizens are a threat to the state through criticism, they are inherently no real threat; unlike if they threaten to kill and destroy property (suicide bombings, jihad murders, mass riots), then they are a clear danger to all citizens. This is not to say that states have unlimited powers over citizens, but same as with dealing with criminal citizens, it has the right to proscribe their activities with arrests, prosecution, imprisonment and/or expulsion, including the loss of citizenship benefits (same as conviction for act of treason). I think this is what Sennel is hinting at.

You wrote: 'The Third Reich passed laws restricting the rights of the German Jews, forbidding them to be officals, and certain marriages, then sending them to concentration camps.'

We're talking about people who use bombs to blow up innocent men, women and children, or plan to, not innocent, peaceful citizens like the Jews in Germany.

You're comparison is risible!

So, what's wrong with putting would-be mass murdering jihadists on a plane with a one way ticket to some Islamic 'paradise' they appear to admire?

You're light years behind the curve!


Focus on islam, and outlaw the death cult here. Doing so, and all religious schools, imamms, "churches" of islam, and true followers would then have to be allowed to leave. As long as islam is seen as a religion, and not the death cult it is, it is not possible to remove it from our lives here. The case of "reform" (deform) of islam makes it harder to resolve as it keeps the cult from being judged on its current form.

It is strange that it takes a legal decree to see that islam is against us in this free country, and that we would bring this wooden horse into troy, thinking it a gift.

Also, who is a enemy? Obama could label anybody he sees as such, and go after even a Ted Nugent.

..."wash it with lemon-lime soap, rinse with cool water, and dry vigorously with a towel."

Oh no! ..okay as a self-taught skin care expert and enthusiast I must advise you to switch to a milder, moisturizing cleanser and to *gently* pat dry, not unless your goal is to have dry irritated skin, lol :)

Thanks Champ -- luckily it was just an imaginative metaphor, not real soap :)...

"Well I think that anyone who fights on the side of the enemy of the USA should be labled a traitor and shot."

I agree, Gail ...


History seems to indicate that nothing will be done until things get out of hand. One would think that 9/11 would have been that point, but apparently not. Action will only be taken if the murders are astronomically high in number. Which is why the stealth jihadists prefer things their way. Slowly choking us as they take over our institutions will render us too confused and powerless to act and unable to plead for government intervention.
Hang on, that sound like now....

@ Beatrix

You are ignoring the fact that many of these people are actually colonists, intent on taking what legitimate citizens have created over the decades and turning it into a mirror image of the rat's nests they have fled. They are enemies of our laws, culture, religions ,government, military,police and ourselves.

Most are not grateful to live in the West, they are part of the takeover plan.

Think about it, have you ever seen a "religion" like islam before, a "religion" based on murder, supremacy, intolerance, hate, conquest and terror? Think of islam as a cult and it's followers as cult members, hundreds of thousands of cult members bent on making you & I live by their rules and under their sword. Are you ready to deport the group yet? If not, in my eyes,you're foolish. God help your grand children, especially the females.

I think that we've come to the point where Beatrix's "inalienable rights" should no longer be held to be "inalienable". But most people would sacrifice their grandkids, even their kids, to the vanity which lies in their high-minded "morality" and adherence to democratic principles. Democracy stopped working in our favour when we let the Muslim mob in. But it certainly works in THEIR favour.

@ PJG
"Democracy stopped working in our favour when we let the Muslim mob in. But it certainly works in THEIR favour."

That's an understatement. They weren't kidding when one of them said: “Thanks to your democratic laws, we will invade you. Thanks to our religious laws, we will dominate you.”

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