Raymond Ibrahim: Islamic ‘Adult Breastfeeding’ Fatwas Return

Back in May 2007, Dr. Izzat Atiya, head of Al Azhar University’s Department of Hadith, issued a fatwa, or Islamic legal decree, saying that female workers should “breastfeed” their male co-workers in order to work in each other’s company. According to the BBC:

He said that if a woman fed a male colleague “directly from her breast” at least five times they would establish a family bond and thus be allowed to be alone together at work. “Breast feeding an adult puts an end to the problem of the private meeting, and does not ban marriage,” he ruled. “A woman at work can take off the veil or reveal her hair in front of someone whom she breastfed.”

Atiya based his fatwa on a hadith—a documented saying or doing of Islam’s prophet Muhammad and subsequently one of Sharia law’s sources of jurisprudence. Many Egyptians naturally protested this decree—hadith or no hadith—though no one could really demonstrate how it was un-Islamic; for the fatwa conformed to the strictures of Islamic jurisprudence. Still, due to the protests—not many Egyptian women were eager to “breastfeed” their male coworkers—the fatwa receded, and that was that.

However, because it was never truly rebutted, it kept making comebacks.

For instance, three years later in 2010, a high-ranking Saudi, Sheikh Abdul Mohsin al-Abaican issued a fatwa confirming that “women could give their milk to men to establish a degree of maternal relations and get around a strict religious ban on mixing between unrelated men and women.” But unlike Atiya’s fatwa, “the man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman. He should drink it [from a cup] and then [he] becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam’s rules about mixing.”

Now, a report titled “Kuwaiti Activists: Husband Breastfeeding from Wife not Prohibited,” published earlier this month by Arabic RT (see also Garaa News) opens by announcing that “The adult breastfeeding fatwa has returned once again to the spotlight, after Kuwaiti Islamic activists supported the adult breastfeeding fatwa issued by the Egyptian Salafi, Sheikh Jamal al-Murakbi [different from Al Azhar’s Sheikh Atiya]. This time around, the Kuwaitis examined the adult breastfeeding fatwa in the context of relations between a man and his wife.”

While the Kuwaiti sheikhs all essentially agree that the activity is not strictly forbidden according to Sharia—only “disliked” (literally makruh)—they are divided over the particulars:

• Sheikh Nazim Misbahi, head of the Fatwa Committee of the Islamic Heritage Revival Society in Kuwait, supports the decree, agreeing that “it is not forbidden [haram] for a man to breastfeed from his wife.”
• Sheikh Bassam al-Shatti, a Sharia professor, specifies: “If the husband deliberately sucks to obtain milk from the breast of his wife, this is forbidden; however, if it happens unintentionally during foreplay with his wife, then there is no problem—though it is disliked according to the four schools” of Sharia.
• Sheikh Sa’d al-Anzi stressed that “if the man, while being intimate with his wife, sucks her nipples, it is nothing, considered foreplay; but if the milk reaches his mouth, he should spit out—even if goes down in his stomach,” i.e., vomit.

Consider for a moment the significance of these Islamic edicts: whether women “breastfeeding” coworkers (Egyptian fatwa, 2007), whether men drinking female breast-milk in a cup (Saudi fatwa, 2010), or whether Kuwaiti minutiae concerning bedroom foreplay—such fatwas are reminders of the inescapable strictures of Sharia law: while these sheikhs offers various circumstances and interpretations concerning “adult breastfeeding,” they are all confined to the words of the prophet of Islam.

This is precisely why, despite all the claims that Islam is perpetually being “misunderstood”—by terrorists, by “Islamophobes”—understanding what Islam commands and forbids is actually quite a simple matter: along with the Koran, determine what the prophet said in canonical hadiths.

It is, after all, no coincidence that the above mentioned Kuwaitis, like Sheikh Misbahi, were members of the delegation that recently went to ask Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti about Islam’s position on churches in the Arabian Peninsula: the same source that compelled the Grand Mufti to declare that all churches must be destroyed, is the same source that advocates “adult breastfeeding”: Muhammad and his teachings. All very straightforward, really.

Raymond Ibrahim is an Associate Fellow at the Middle East Forum and a Shillman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
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O nation whose ignorance makes the nations of the world laugh!
What else can we expect from those who drank Muhammad's urine, fought for the remains of his ablution water, ate his sputum, covered their faces with his snot and mixed his sweat with their perfumes?
That's the Glory of the Nation of Islam!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/11/glory-of-muhammad.html

Well, I suppose this fatwa does make a clean breast of Islam's craziness!

Clowns!

Shows that "the rules" of Islam have lots of loopholes. I think we should have a rule like this in the US.

Buraq: for adult males or females to breast feed has been around since day one. it is called Lactophilia. it is a sex act. that siad as far I am concerned when it comes to sex so long as there are no childeren involved, so long as noone is gettin hurt phsically pr mentallt and so long as there are no animals invoved anything goes. so does this sex act. but what this fatwa here shows how twisted Muhamad was sexually. he most likly was into this s..... therefore there is a haith that this is okay to do. if you get my gist.
M

This suck(le)s !

LOL


To suckle or not to suckle...
What if the woman is not lactating and has no milk? Is it ok to go through the motions anyway?

You wonder why they haven't accomplished anything all these years - their best minds have to be occupied with this - mindless crap!!

Go and invent something!!

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Yeah.. it's as straight forward as a Arab/Muslim bazaar - you ask the price and there is this long haranguing - does he drink the milk - or he can do this but without drinking the milk - of his co-worker. Even though he is older - if she breastfeeds him he becomes like her son!

It is unfortunate that they use violence to compel people to remain in and not question this religion - in the absence of a coercive environment they could have cleaned Islam up a bit - a lot - its a terrible blight on humanity where grown men have to talk about breastfeeding from grown women - and it doesn't look as though the women have very much say at all in the matter!!

Muslims got stuck with making good out of a bad deal in religious terms.

You can't shake the woman's hand but you can suck her breast!!

How degrading to women and a way to humiliate them from working. That would be considered sexual harassment under U.S. law, unless, of course, President Obama manages to change the EOC's regulations (regulatory law) to be unconstitutionally Sharia-compliant along with other governmental agencies.

I would throw five cups of breast milk in their faces. Of course, I probably would not last long in an Islamic country. I would have to die a martyr staying true to Jesus, the Word and God of the Bible. Actually, mass martyrdom might become a reality in the West also, unless people submit to Islamic rule.

Just bite the breast that feeds you, I suppose (!)

Something tells me Muslims are accustomed to this practice for ages, particularly with regards to the proverbial hand.

Good grief, let him suck his thumb at work instead ...


"Sorry, I have a reeeeally bad case of herpes on my nipples ...

I know, I know, it would have been fun for me, too."

and then watch him RUN for his life! ..yeah muslims will believe anything.

A Muslim man moves to the West to take a job and finds...

Women, women, every where,
Nor any drop to drink.

Reason #1,001 for the implementation of Operation: Enough's Enough.

Some, right here on this website, still suggest that we should "ban Islam" or "deport them all".

No one in their right mind can possibly believe that those or other similar "solutions" to the problem of Islam in non-Muslim countries would ever be implemented.

Non-Muslims, wherever they are, need to learn, to be told, what Islam really teaches; the factual reasons why such an ideology has no legitimate place in liberal, Western democracies--especially in America, where our freedom of speech (even offensive speech)--forbidden in many Muslim countries--is guaranteed by our man-made, secular constitution.

It is issues like this idiotic breast feeding fatwa that need to be made known, far and wide; with the goal of making Allah's slaves embarrased about the real teachings of their "complete way of life"; not that "Islam is a religion of peace" crap we've been sugjected to for so long now.

Both Obama and Romney should be asked what they know about such idiocies during the upcoming campaign "season".

Raymond Ibrahim: Islamic ‘Adult Breastfeeding’ Fatwas Return

Back in May 2007, Dr. Izzat Atiya, head of Al Azhar University’s Department of Hadith, issued a fatwa, or Islamic legal decree, saying that female workers should “breastfeed” their male co-workers in order to work in each other’s company.
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Well, in the whole scheme of things—despite its humiliation of women—this cannot be considered Islam at its most evil, given how many Fatwas call for blood and death.

It is, however, Islam at its most ludicrous.

Also, just consider this as a practical matter—if the big concern is inappropriate sexual feelings in the workplace, what could possibly be more apt to quell such feelings than letting male coworkers *suck on their female colleague's breasts*? sarc/off

More:

Atiya based his fatwa on a hadith—a documented saying or doing of Islam’s prophet Muhammad and subsequently one of Sharia law’s sources of jurisprudence. Many Egyptians naturally protested this decree—hadith or no hadith—though no one could really demonstrate how it was un-Islamic; for the fatwa conformed to the strictures of Islamic jurisprudence. Still, due to the protests—not many Egyptian women were eager to “breastfeed” their male coworkers—the fatwa receded, and that was that.

However, because it was never truly rebutted, it kept making comebacks.
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The above is *not* a casual statement.

This is the very reason that the Burqa, child marriage, slavery, amputations, and stoning keep rearing their ugly heads—they can *never* be properly rebutted in Islamic terms, so there will always be pious Muslims who want to impose them, and "moderate" Muslims who have no argument against them on Islamic grounds.

More:

For instance, three years later in 2010, a high-ranking Saudi, Sheikh Abdul Mohsin al-Abaican issued a fatwa confirming that “women could give their milk to men to establish a degree of maternal relations and get around a strict religious ban on mixing between unrelated men and women.”
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Does this "Sheikh" understand that only women who have recently given birth to a child have milk—or is he as woefully ignorant of biology as most Muslims seem to be?

More:

Consider for a moment the significance of these Islamic edicts: whether women “breastfeeding” coworkers (Egyptian fatwa, 2007), whether men drinking female breast-milk in a cup (Saudi fatwa, 2010), or whether Kuwaiti minutiae concerning bedroom foreplay—such fatwas are reminders of the inescapable strictures of Sharia law: while these sheikhs offers various circumstances and interpretations concerning “adult breastfeeding,” they are all confined to the words of the prophet of Islam.
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Exactly. Islam controls every minute aspect of life, and does so on the repulsive model of the psychotic "Prophet" and his companions. Ugh.

The secreated nights of Arabia.

as I mentioned in my post above, it is called lactophilia and it has been around a long time and it is praticed by many epople of different religion. what is sriking here as I said I bet you muhamad was into this sex act, therfore it is ok for the muslims to pratice this.
M

...nice play on words, London Jim, lol!

You really cannot make this stuff up, but from a religion that turns its most pious and orthodox believers into mass murderers, expect anything. Logic is not to be found anywhere in Islam.

but when it comes to sex, it is all logic. they wrote the book on it!!!!!!!

Who saves bookmarks have facts.

http://www.islam-watch.org/MuminSalih/Breast-Feeding-Man-Islam.htm

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/the_keystone_of_the_islamic_mi.html

Now you know what is wrong with 1,8 billion muslims.

There is not a chance in you know where, that islam and any other religiom can live tigether in in peace.

This sort of madness in Islam seems to be a result of its tendency dominant for at least the last thousand years to value unquestioning submission even to the point of violently crushing independent conscience and reason. See Robert Reilly's The Closing of the Muslim Mind. Reilly doesn't exonerate Muhammad or Islam prior to a thousand years ago, but he leaves that earliest history and its meaning somewhat ambiguous -- he says the Qur'an itself is a mixed message about how much authority to grant independent reason and conscience, but that the Sunna -- the Hadith and Sira -- do indeed lean toward the crushing of reason in favor of submission to the rules of Islamic law -- rules that were already settled a thousand years ago, when ijtihad (independent judgement) about Islam for the most part ended. Despite Reilly's partial ambiguity about Islam prior to a thousand years ago, his account of Islamic history is brilliant. He looks at the evolution of Islam's way of seeing the world, its theological paradigm, its approach to philosophy and reason and how Islam's scholars developed that approach.

Well, I'm not sure suckling actually works, but I might be willing to give it a try...I mean, if it makes Allah happy, why not?

Sorry, I'm lactate intolerant ...

PRCS writes:

"No one in their right mind can possibly believe that those or other similar "solutions" to the problem of Islam in non-Muslim countries would ever be implemented."

As long as there are people who think like you, you're right. And so far, most do, unfortunately.

"Non-Muslims, wherever they are, need to learn, to be told, what Islam really teaches..."

Then what? What about the millions of Muslims who follow, enable, support Islam within the West; and the millions more sure to follow over the next 10-20 years? This isn't about how we dislike certain ideas -- this is about Muslims mass-murdering us, and continuing to do so, for reasons motivated by a strange fanatical obsession they have, of whose grotesque nature we get glimmers from such twisted fatwas as this article is about.

It may be just me, but I find this disturbing. I'm a simple man who has always felt that a woman's breast milk is for infants, either her own or ones to whom she acts as wet nurse. Maybe I'm unliberated or something.

Champ wrote:

Sorry, I'm lactate intolerant ...
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Oh my god, that's hilarious, Champ!

Shows only completely helpless babies suckle at teats and even the entire animal kingdom knows its shortly time to wean the little darlins. Time to wean these helpless twits from the teats. How many Psych majors would it take to put a billion or so Muslims into much needed therapy?

This directive would seem to indicate not just insanity, but a surreptitious mocking perversity on the part of Muhammad or whatever inspired him.

Clarification: I was referring to the directive about breast-feeding co-workers; not to this one to do with husband and wife.

Anyone know how long till the Kindle version of Robert's new book becomes available? The hardcover is now selling on Amazon.

Islam: bare your breasts, or else cover your faces

Could it apply to Barmaids? Not a bad idea - a pint and a nibble!

After the death of their spiritual leader, more than 2,000 Egyptian Copts have poured into the Holy Land for the Easter holidays, defying a ban he imposed on visiting Jerusalem and other Israeli-controlled areas.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/04/13/defying-ban-egyptian-christians-visit-jerusalem/#ixzz1ruURiBDy

Youssef

My god!!!

As a breast fetishist i am converting immediately.

I think that next summer on Bondi beach I will put my err religious "needs" into action. Naturally i will demand inspection as is my rite, err right being a once lifesaver.

You really couldn't make this up if you tried: the poor Muslim male, so sexually repressed now has to be breast fed through the rites of passage into what they term "Muslim maturity" . I just hope that for the sake of the poor woman she doesn't have to also sit on his lap. Chastity belts added to the script?

If there really is a God, where has he gone? And who the hell is left behind and "running" the show? between Iranian rants and this sort of thing its almost like cartoon time in the asylum and then you read about koranic "miracles" and why Walt Disney inc did not grab the film rights i will never know.
The marqis de sade would be really at home here.

This would be funny if it weren't so ridiculous. Here is a major religion discussing such a totally stupid statement. I don't know where these people work, but it is almost impossible for me to envision this happening at the places I worked. Where does sexual harassment come in? How do you approach this topic? "Hi, I'm Ron, may I suck your breasts"? Please, Islam, can you get any more unbelievable? Islam is the best argument for atheism that I have ever read.

"Islam is the best argument for atheism that I have ever read"

Ron I have to bite here.

This sort of lunacy does not help or hinder faith but simply shows the ideological background to what pretends to be a faith. Other than a totally inebriated Bacchus no god could think this one up.

IMHO Muhammad was a warlord who found that 80% of loot and slaves still would not push his men into fire, so he added the 72 virgins in heaven bit as an afterthought. As the effects of his chilhood indoctrination campaign had not "kicked in" and he was running out of time, he badly needed that extra "lever" and Allah was it.

Then realising the power of a god he managed to set himself up a selfserve machine for his dire needs.

Rubbish? All biographies and the Koran and its accompaniment were assembled long after those who knew the truth were dead and then the sources meticulously destroyed.
Why? perhaps to hide the truth that is if anyone actually knew it or cared as it has turned out to be a very potent method of ideological control for anyone at the helm.

IMHO Allah is a "god of convenience" for a barely potent paranoid but coldly calculating(as opposed to delusional) mass murderer. Unfortunately there was no Stalin to stop him.

Nonviable ? It stands on ground as firm as is the opposite opinion.

As Matt Stone said so infamously in "Cannibal! The Musical" ... "Eeeewww!" :P

Muslims are udderly obsessed with bodily fluids.

Need some humour in a dull day? Visit http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwaList.php?fid=40

It's unintentionally hilarious.

You’re right. This isn’t about a mere dislike of ideas.

It is about informing our fellow citizens—publicly and in no uncertain terms—how completely antithetical Islam is to democracy and how incompatible it is with our constitution and relevant American law.

It is about using their own statements and beliefs against them; about exposing every glimmer of Islam's grotesque nature.

It is about preventing those ideas from being implemented here.

That goal is advanced every time such idiotic fatwa's are made public and every time an employer realizes that inconveniencing the rest of us in order to accommodate a Muslim cashier's "religious" beliefs is not worth the financial cost. It is retarded by asinine calls to ban Islam or to deport them all.

I think the way I do because Muslims and their ideas are already here. They and their ideas must be dealt with logically, and because we are a nation of laws, within those constraints.

What then, you ask?

You tell me.

I have said this before but will repeat it , Canada's Human Rights Commission is on the head-on crash course for RIGHTS because as they expand it for homosexuals and females to breastfeed or go topless in public. We just had another Honour killing last year of 4 females by muslims males because of the Hijab, so what did Barbara Hall and her leftists/liberals do to the Toronto Police...she made them include the Hijab/Niqab/Burka in the Uniform which makes it an un-informed/un-uniform/uniform that mocks Aqsa Parvez and the Shafia girl murders which BTW could have been prevented IF the Police didn't ignore the cries of these girls as the teachers/Social-workers did to not offend muslims.
OR , they just expected this from muslims and why force our Murder laws on them when THOSE people just can't help but be savages and murderers.


Muslims should be the most outraged, but maybe the informatio has entered the head and is still searching for the brain.

PRCS,

"It is about preventing those ideas from being implemented here. "

Implementation of ideas upon unwilling people requires physical force. When those who want to implement the ideas lack the power to formally mount a military invasion, they use other means of physical violence along with stealth infiltration (the latter inextricably linked with the former), including horrific terrorism that Muslims are in fact plotting every day and only being thwarted so far by luck.

We can only keep on whacking-a-mole so long before more successful 911s or worse happen.

I support pre-emptive actions to prevent that. Every free society has a right to take pre-emptive actions to protect its people. Apparently, you don't agree.

Somebody asked - 'what if they are not lactating'? Well, given their rate of reproduction, in an effort to conquer the world, they are lactating permanently throughout their child-bearing years - so, no problem, eh?

One can imagine a "daring" romantic comedy coming out of modern Egyptian cinema, in which a Muslima who goes to work for a prestigious law firm in Cairo finds out at the board meeting that the firm must comply with the fatwa, as a member of the Muttawa kindly explains when given the podium. So, the woman and the girl she rooms with figure out a way to rig her upper torso with a tubing system connected to a milk-pack (using skim milk perhaps) in her lower back and dispenses little paper cups to the men of the cubicles near her, and to the boss she has to report to.

...a high-ranking Saudi, Sheikh Abdul Mohsin al-Abaican issued a fatwa... [by which] “the man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman. He should drink it [from a cup] and then [he] becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam’s rules about mixing.”

"Implementation of ideas upon unwilling people requires physical force."

The passage of Obamacare gives lie to that assertion.

"I support pre-emptive actions to prevent that. Every free society has a right to take pre-emptive actions to protect its people. Apparently, you don't agree."

No, I truly do not.

Given that at least two members of congress are Muslims today--having obtained the ability to influence lawmaking without the need to wage physical jihad--what pre-emptive actions are you willing to take to prevent more of them from being elected.

You're not proposing violent pre-emption, now, are you?

"Implementation of ideas upon unwilling people requires physical force."

The passage of Obamacare gives lie to that assertion.

If you refuse to comply with various aspects of Obamacare once it becomes law, physical force will be applied to you -- such as an arresting officer putting his hands on you to force you into the squad car to drive you to the courthouse.

All laws require physical force to back them up. Just because most people comply before the authorities have to use physical force doesn't mean that isn't an intrinsic part of law. It's there in case of non-compliance.

Why do I have to point out such elementary truisms to grown-ups on JW so often?

Implementation and enforcement are not the same.

The issue was implementation. Obamacare was implemented without the use of force, and you failed to refute that.

You are rude and boring.

Good bye.

"Implementation and enforcement are not the same."

Correct. The latter is part of the same process as the former however, whenever someone doesn't comply with the implementation. If nearly one billion Westerners are going to simply roll over and comply with stonings, amputations, wife-beatings, executions for blasphemy and aspostasy, and other sordid aspects of Sharia law, without standing up and saying no -- then the West deserves to be conquered by Islam.

They won't, of course. But any Westerner who thinks most Westerners will do this has a curiously detached and demeaning view of his own civilization and his own fellow citizens. What exactly are you defending, if you think the vast majority of your own fellows are spineless sheep who will simply roll over when an evil system tries to take over? Perhaps you have a Mad Max ecclesiola in mind, all stockpiled in southern Idaho or something, and it gives you comfort.

Well, I think I can tolerate a woman breastfeeding her infant in public. Maybe it's a residual bit of the Silly 'Sixties and Sillier 'Seventies that I haven't quite gotten over, or that I've travelled in poorer countries, even if I'm otherwise quite Puritanical.

But I'm also queasy about "human rights commissions". The great tradition from English Common Law made the protection of rights the job of courts.

The idea of female workers breast feeding their male co-workers is revolting and degrading. I would guess that it will reach a point where a female worker's job will depend on her complying with this directive. Lactophillia may well be a sexual act but to enforce this generally is just sexual abuse.

There is however a bright side to this. Recent research has discovered that a mother's milk naturally contains Endocannabinols which are found in Cannabis. We can therefore expect the DEA to involve themselves, cross International borders, kick down doors at gunpoint and arrest the perpetrators. sarc /off

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