Salon tries to save face: Shaima Alawadi murder not a hate crime, but hey, there's a lot of Islamophobia anyway

Like most Leftist rags, Salon Magazine has been all over the Shaima Alawadi murder, publishing at least five stories about the case, which is five more than it usually publishes about any given murder. This one, of course, seemed to fit the Leftist/Islamic supremacist narrative perfectly, with its Muslim victim a casualty of "Islamophobia" and a symbol of its pervasiveness. "What we do know," wrote Mónica Novoa confidently on March 30, "is that Alawadi 17-year-old daughter Fatima, found a note next to her slain mother’s body that read, 'This is my country. Go back to yours, terrorist.' Those words and the animosity and bigotry experienced by Muslim communities of diverse racial backgrounds is rooted in years of ignorant stereotypes."

We now know that we didn't really know any such thing. The murder of Shaima Alawadi has been found not to have been a hate crime, but rather a murder much like this one in New Jersey: one that the murderer tried to cover up by making it look like an "Islamophobic hate crime," that ever-elusive fiction that Islamic supremacists have to invent in the absence of any examples of the real thing.

The only real question now about the Alawadi case is that of whether she was killed by her husband because she was seeking a divorce, or by her daughter because the daughter feared being murdered herself after being caught having sex in a car.

This places the Leftist press and deceptive, opportunistic Islamic supremacists like Boy Reza Aslan in a difficult position. Aslan, still busy hastening his professional demise as a commentator anyone takes seriously, has responded on Twitter with venomous contempt and more prepubescent geek insults to calls to apologize and walk back his "Islamophobic hate crime" claims, and here Salon tries to rally its dispirited troops and save face by conceding that Shaima Alawadi was not killed by an "Islamophobe" but really, guys, there really is a lot of "Islamophobia," no kidding, and Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are the real villains: "Shaima Alawadi’s murder: Hate crime or honor killing?," by Arun Gupta in Salon, April 7:

EL CAJON, Calif. – On March 21, an unknown assailant shattered Shaima Alawadi’s skull with a tire-iron-like weapon in the living room of her home. An Iraqi immigrant and mother of five, Alawadi was found by her 17-year-old daughter, Fatima, who said she was “drowned in her own blood.” Alawadi was rushed to the hospital, still alive, but she was soon taken off life support and died March 24. It was, by all accounts, a heinous crime. But was it a hate crime?

After her mother’s death, Fatima said she found “a letter next to her head saying, ‘Go back to your country, you terrorist.’” The accusation sparked outrage and brought national media attention to the murder. And yet, within days, publicity-craving Islamophobes Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer were pushing an alternative motive: that Alawadi’s death was, in fact, an “honor killing.” Geller crowed, “I surmised that the murder of Shaima Alawadi appeared to be Islamic, rooted in Islamic teachings and culture …”

Salon's eagerness to cover up the Islamic justifications for honor killing is nothing short of obscene, and will only help ensure that there are more honor murders. But note that under the defamation and contempt is the tacit admission that Pamela Geller and I were right all along.

I journeyed to Alawadi’s adopted hometown of El Cajon in Southern California to find out more about her death....

“There is a hate crime problem in El Cajon,” says Basma Coda, an Iraqi-American who works at the Chaldean-Middle Eastern Social Services. “We have documented six physical attacks since 2007 in which Iraqi refugees were beat up and had broken bones. All had to go the hospital. They were all over 50, and one was a 75-year-old man with Parkinson’s disease.” (The El Cajon police department did not return calls about the alleged crimes.)

“There are a lot of anti-Islamic groups and know-nothings here,” says California State University professor Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism in San Bernardino. Nonetheless, he and other hate-crime monitors are skeptical of some of the alleged details of Alawadi’s death. “Why are the police so quick to say it is an isolated incident? That suggests to me they are looking at other motives. There is the possibility this could be some sort of personal attack or revenge attack.” Mark Potok, senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups nationwide, says that when he first heard about the threatening notes, “I raised an eyebrow. It’s too perfect. It’s highly unusual to have notes that spell out the motive on paper.” As for the crime itself, Potok says, “It is quite unusual to invade someone’s home, especially a woman, and violently beat her to death in the dining room.”

When a hardcore Leftist ideologue and liar like Mark Potok says your story that just happens to fit the Leftist narrative to a T is actually full of holes, you know it's Swiss cheese.

Indeed, in the days after her death several revelations called the hate-crime allegation into question. On April 4, an affidavit for a search warrant about the murder was “accidentally released,” according to the New York Times. The San Diego Union-Tribune, which first received the document, claimed it shows a “family in turmoil and cast doubt on the likelihood that her slaying was a hate crime.” Alawadi was said to be planning on leaving her husband, based on blank divorce papers found in her vehicle. Last November, police investigating reports of two people possibly having sex in a car found Fatima with a 21-year-old man. After her mother was called to pick her up, Fatima allegedly jumped out of the moving car at 35 mph. While being treated at a hospital for her injuries the court records state, “Police were informed by paramedics and hospital staff that Fatima Alhimidi said she was being forced to marry her cousin and did not want to do so she jumped out of the vehicle.”

The document also mentions “a neighbor reported seeing a skinny dark-skinned male running west from the area of Alawadi’s house” on the morning of the murder. According to the affidavit, as of March 27, the police had not confirmed the whereabouts of Kassim Alhimidi, Alawadi’s husband, at the time of the murder. And curiously, “a handwritten note was located at the scene that the family denied seeing before.”

Still, those who wish to portray Muslims as victims in all cases and thereby deflect attention away from the reality of jihad and Islamic supremacism were doggedly clinging to the shreds of the "Shaima was killed by an Islamophobe" narrative:

Yet some in the community are still skeptical because there is no suspect, motive or murder weapon. Hanif Mohebi, director of the San Diego chapter of the [Hamas-linked] Council on American-Islamic Relations, says, “There are definitely questions that are brought up by the article, but we should not jump to a conclusion unless there is a real fact provided. Our community is not immune to these issues.”

Some observers worry that the new information in the Alawadi case will be misused. Hanif Mohebi says, “From the beginning we were very cautious about the murder because we are all human beings, and this could go any way. The Islamophobes will exploit this. If there is something that advances their agenda, they will most definitely use it.” Right on cue, Geller and Spencer began their postulations about “honor killings.”

Projection Alert: a spokesman for Hamas-linked CAIR warns about people exploiting an issue for their agenda! Who is really doing the exploiting here, and for what agenda? Well, let's see. Which group is holding a conference to honor the victims of honor killing and to call on law enforcement and government officials to take all possible steps to prevent further honor killings in the U.S.? And who, meanwhile, is trying to frame the Alawadi case as an "Islamophobic hate crime" so as to further their campaign to stigmatize, marginalize and demonize those who are trying to defend women from honor killing? In light of that, which party is the exploiter again -- Geller and Spencer, or Hamas-linked CAIR?

Be sure to register for our Jessica Mokdad Human Rights Conference on honor killings on April 29th in Dearborn, Michigan. Register here.

Potok also stresses that, whoever murdered Alawadi, the rise in Islamophobia is genuine. The Southern Poverty Law Center has tracked a 200 percent increase in anti-Muslim hate groups nationwide from 10 such groups in 2010 to 30 in 2011. Potok attributes the spread to “the so-called Ground Zero Mosque controversy in 2010 that was really ginned up by opportunistic activists and politicians … This is a classic case of words having consequences.”

The fact that there have been no actual consequences in terms of getting hurt doesn't deter a sleazy, well-paid propagandist and defamation artist like Potok. Where the facts don't suit his case, he just makes them up.

In reality, hate crimes against Muslims are infrequent:

Anti-Jewish attacks 70% of hate crimes, anti-Muslim attacks 9% of hate crimes -- Senate to hold hearings on "anti-Muslim bigotry"

Just-released New York 2009 report: Hate crimes against Jews: 251. Hate crimes against Muslims: 11.

Backlash! Anti-Muslim hate crimes only eight percent of hate crimes, far less than those against Jews

And so in order to deflect attention away from jihad activity and try to portray Muslims as victims, so as to shame non-Muslims into not investigating or even being suspicious of further jihad activity, Islamic supremacist groups have resorted to making it up. Hamas-linked CAIR and other Muslims have not hesitated to fabricate "hate crimes." CAIR and other groups like it want and need hate crimes against Muslims, because they can use them for political points and as weapons to intimidate people into remaining silent about the jihad threat.

Here, Salon and Potok are trying to keep people on board with their sinister agenda. The only victims will be the girls who are murdered for honor in the coming months and years, who might have sought the help and protection that we are trying to provide for them.

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Well, if it was an out of control kuffar who did it, we should expect more killings with the same MO...Why stop at one, when there are so many?

Just today a bomb explodes outside a church in Nigeria and kills 20. And yet we are the bad guys and islamophobes .You could not make this shit up.

Ahead of an upcoming presidential election in France, policymakers are riding a wave of Islam-dominated issues that have unwittingly taken center stage in the country’s public domain.

Concerns over Islamic fundamentalism reached a peak in recent weeks when French police launched the latest of a series of raids on suspected Islamic militants, detaining 10 people across the country in predawn arrests.


Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/04/08/islam-and-sarkozy-the-french-connection/#ixzz1rSHPf66s

Youssef

"Concerns over Islamic fundamentalism reached a peak in recent weeks when French police launched the latest of a series of raids on suspected Islamic militants, detaining 10 people across the country in predawn arrests."

Seems like the chickens have come home to roost.

"The Southern Poverty Law Center has tracked a 200 percent increase in anti-Muslim hate groups"

Anti-Muslim hate groups are all and anyone who speak against islam, resist Islam, do not agree with islamic claims and demands, draw attention to the consequences for the Unbeliever and in general are a nuisance.

'' There are a lot of anti-Islamaic groups and know-nothings here. '' .said the ?? Professor. .no wonder.

? Professor ? What, of Nerdyology ? Twerp.

it was probably her daughter's boyfriend who had sex in the car with her daughter.. someone quite close to her!

It is always been very clear to me over the last 10 years of reading about the practices of fundamental Islam, that had I not done so and remained in a naive dhimmi status I could have likely been subdued by the likes of CAIR through their charm offensive of the use of taquiya and kitman.

CAIR clearly uses their taquiya charm offensive on people in high position whenever possible like the Sheriff of Los Angeles County Leroy Baca who fails to look behind that green curtain.

People like Mark Potok seem almost unaware of the underpinnings of sharia. Potok like other groups monitoring what they define as hate groups seem hell bent attacking those of us who simply want to be aware of clear and present threat that is jihad and sharia in America.

If hate crimes statistics are to be considered accurate by the FBI (11 Muslim attacks)-- then I submit to you that Muslims are killing or injuring each other a great deal more then what is reflected as a hate in America under sharia.

No doubt it is a never ending struggle to get Americans to understand how Muslims think and behave. There are of course Muslim MINO's (Muslims in name only) who want to leave behind the demands of sharia and jihad. The problem is the Muslims among us who want to bring their fundamental Islamic supremacist attitudes into America that we have to deal with.


It is a hate crime ... it is showing hatred against that person because their (the victim) belief does accept/tolerate/think differently or is about to do some action (or might do an action) which the murderer believes is unacceptable to the murderer and therefore the victim will not be permitted to continue to think/act in any way that is not permitted by the murderer.

It's just not hatred as described by federal law for legal purposes of classification.

Anti-muslim hate groups?
They can also be called "see-islam-as-it-is" groups.
They are not hate groups - they are just groups who see islam without the taqqyiya.

But if salon is looking for hate groups per se, then islam is the biggest hate-group ever.
They hate Christians, they hate Hindus, they hate Jews, they hate pigs, they hate dogs, they hate alcohol, they hate music, they hate statues, they hate sunnis/shias, they hate women.
The list is endless.

What a laugh. These arseholes allow a deviant group of neanderthals(though that might be unfair to neanderthals) to commit murder and mayhem through-out the western world and beyond. Yet we are a hate group. Something wrong there.

Surprisingly, one fact never come up in these mindless victim-hood stories about iraqi Muslims...

about 2/3 of the 1.4M Christians in Iraq have been ethnically cleansed out or simply killed off over the last few years.That's just under a million people ethnically cleansed by Muslims, b'cos they (the Muslims) did not like the religious beliefs of these million people.

Have never seen the Iraqi Muslims take any remedial action on this issue - but, apparently they always seem to be willing to whine and moan about spurious tales of victim-hood.

Speaking personally, anymore when a Muslim woman is murdered here in America, I will just assume that it is an honor killing until proven otherwise. I think the percentages here are with me greatly. My strong guess is that police forces across the nation are coming to the same conclusion. Yes, in a court of law it's still innocent until proven guilty, but there is also the court of public opinion and the court of common sense and in these two "courts" Muslim men (and perhaps a Muslim woman here or there) are looking guiltier and guiltier with each passing year whenever a Muslim woman is knocked off. They're looking damn cowardly as well. Ah yes, the burden which is Islam continues unabated.

Barely had passed the day of the murder and there were calls for some sort of neighborhood "Hijab-day" in sympathy with the victim.
And now we see a mewling plea from CAIR blaming the islamofauxbes.

In America, most people think all religions are mostly the same -- which is patently not true. If my religion requires sacrifice a virgin every morning, obviously that's an inhuman religion and would land me in jail if I ever decided to practice it in America.

Same with Islam which is a religion that advocates the destruction of all political system except sharia (for example the USA government).

Don't ever get dispirited, Robert. I know the campaign against your work from the Left, politically correct right-wingers and muslims is vile and relentless. Keep being a beacon of light in the darkness!

Arun Gupta is likely Hindu from his name and knows more than most what Islamic supremacy is all about from the history of India, where 80 million Hindus have been murdered by the Islamic invasions (Hindu Kush means Hindu slaughter and Pakistan means land of the pure Muslim, i.e, not unclean Hindu) I worked with many Hindus and Pakistanis and the Hindus said the Pakistanis were arrogant and dangerous when it came to religion.

Nevertheless, Gupta has decided to side with evil, and assist Islamic murder though his media propaganda. Nice work Gupta!

This IS a hate crime, pure and simple. Whoever killed the victim hated her for one reason or another--even if it turns out it's over her sullying family honor. Period.

@Loves God: Are you another simple soul who believes that if you love your neighbor, or just respect him, you won't commit a crime against him?

Frankly, the whole concept of "hate crime" stinks, and the sooner it faces a Constitutional challenge, the better. The sooner every judge or politician who supports the concept is turned out of office, the better. "Hate Crimes" are only a way to privilege certain politicians' client groups. I recall back when Dubya Bush was running for President, the race baiters attacked him because Texas didn't classify the dragging death of James Byrd as a "hate crime"--even though the jury still sentenced the perps to death and then Gov. Bush didn't even pretend to be gone fishing when the clemency plea reached him, but said point blank that he would not use his executive privilege to grant clemency.

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Op-Ed: In the line of fire — The plight of Middle Eastern Christians

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/322486#ixzz1rTLmoDS3

So true so bloody obviously true. All crimes are hate crimes regardless of colour race religion etc. You hardly feel better having been mugged due to the fact that you were mugged for your money and not for your ethnic profile.

Defying a decree issued by the late Pope Shenouda III prohibiting members of the Coptic Church from visiting Jerusalem, Egyptian Copts are for the first time flying to the Holy Land in large numbers to celebrate Easter. However, it has now been reported that some of them are being denied entry into churches upon arrival.

Copts were among the thousands of Christians gathered near the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, built at a site where Jesus was crucified and buried, for Easter Saturday. However, St. Helena Chapel at the church within the walled Old City of Jerusalem denied entry to them, Egyptian state-run news agency MENA reported.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/04/08/egyptian-copts-join-thousands-celebrating-easter-in-jerusalem/#ixzz1rTUJtXmw

Youssef

Classic example of statistics being made to lie, to tell a truth of the statistician's personal prejudice or belief, kinda like the climate science statistics and science fraud, not reality.

The gold standard in medical statistics, for validity and accuracy, if properly compiled, has been, when doable, the double blinded, crossover study, look it up in google.

So it looks like there's going to be a Million-Hijab-March held over this attack, even though it's increasingly looking to be a falsified claim of 'Islamophobia'.

Very true. To say nothing of the horrific 2008 Mumbai massacre.

Benazir Bhutto, the late prime minister of Pakistan, accused Spencer of "falsely constructing a divide between Islam and West"

Yes, and look what happened to her! Nuff said I think.

We can expect a lot more persecution in the UK now, seeing as large cities have become Islamist controlled:

http://happypropagandist.blogspot.co.uk/

Most Muslim women are killed by Muslim men. If you find a Muslim woman dead in her home look first at the men in her family a father, husband or brother.This story smelled from the beginning a killer does not wander in from the street beat a woman to death then conveniently leave a note for the police to find.

So-called acts of Islamophobia are as rare as White on Black crimes, that's why both have to be manufactured.

Unlike in the third-world crap holes where these people come from, we Americans don't experience the phenomena of "backlash". For instance, if someone in Pakistan falsely accuses a Christian of some form of blasphemy, Muslims get together and slaughter all Christians due to guilt by association (and general hatred of "the other"). That doesn't happen here. Yet. If Muslims keep pushing their luck, they'll see what a backlash really is.

Salon tries to save face: Shaima Alawadi murder not a hate crime, but hey, there's a lot of Islamophobia anyway
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This surprises me not one whit. After I made a good case for the Shaima Alawadi murder being an "honor killing" rather than a "hate crime" over on the Care2 site, I received several miffed responses asserting that it made no difference, since—after all—both sorts of killings can well be characterized as "hate crimes".

As if it makes no difference whether crazed Islamophobes are breaking into Muslims' homes from the street and offing them, or whether Muslims themselves are murdering their most vulnerable members in the name of Islam.

Further, the first phenomenon is either remarkably rare or fully chimerical, while the second phenomenon is all too common wherever Muslims congregate.

More:

...and here Salon tries to rally its dispirited troops and save face by conceding that Shaima Alawadi was not killed by an "Islamophobe" but really, guys, there really is a lot of "Islamophobia," no kidding, and Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are the real villains...

...After her mother’s death, Fatima said she found “a letter next to her head saying, ‘Go back to your country, you terrorist.’” The accusation sparked outrage and brought national media attention to the murder. And yet, within days, publicity-craving Islamophobes Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer were pushing an alternative motive: that Alawadi’s death was, in fact, an “honor killing.” Geller crowed...
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So—concerns over illusory "Islamophobia" is an example of righteous "outrage", but concerns over the all too common phenomenon of "Honor killing" is "crowing"? Grotesque.

In fact, it is people like Robert Spencer and—especially—Pamela Geller who have expressed outrage, concern, and sympathy over victims like Aqsa Pervez, Amina and Sarah Said, Noor Al-Maleki, Jessica Mokdad, and Fatima Abdallah when few others have.

More:

Here, Salon and Potok are trying to keep people on board with their sinister agenda. The only victims will be the girls who are murdered for honor in the coming months and years, who might have sought the help and protection that we are trying to provide for them.
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So true.

As for the "Million Hijabs", nothing could be more grotesque. The victim was sold by her father at the age of 14, then quickly raped and impregnated. The family planned to subject her now 17-year-old daughter to a similar forced marriage. Shaima Alawadi had been victimized repeatedly in the name of Islam even before her terrible murder.

Here's more stupidity from MSNBC:

"'Million hijabs' page shows solidarity for slain Muslim woman"

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/04/11020526-million-hijabs-page-shows-solidarity-for-slain-muslim-woman

Especially disturbing is an entire class full of students, all wearing the Hijab:

"One posting shows a class of students, all wearing a head coverings and holding signs with a variety of messages, including 'I am Shaima Alawadi'".

What these clueless young people fail to understand is that, were they all forced to wear the veil, that their assertion would in many cases cease to be symbolic—given the frequency of "honor killings" in devout Muslim families—and be *literally true*.

Yes by name Arun Gupta surely is Hindu but as it happens when you become a PCMC liberal you also become brain dead as is apparently the case with Gupta. There are many like him in India where you would think they would stop loving Muslims who bruatalized and killed more than 80 million Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and other non-Muslims over last 1000 year and they still kill Hindus whenever they get a chance such as in Mumbai Taj massacre and other terror acts. Yet the Government of India had no guts to go out flatten that terror haven Pakistan. Sigh!!! How long this going to go on?

Muslims only understand force and nothing else and only that equal forceful reaction will make them leave their terrorist ways. Forget bribing them by giving billions of dollars of aid, that's not even earn you any gratitude as we have seen over last almost 100 years. Trillions of dollars of just gone to waste - they still kill us and want to kill us all the time.

Salon - Shaima Alawadi murder not a hate crime, but hey, its an Islamophobia crime instead.

It is Islamophobia to blame Islam for the crime, when Islamophobes.. er oops I mean her family, were responsible for her murder.

"According to official figures, 10 to 12 women are murdered in Britain in honour killings each year, but the government has been warned by MPs that this is a serious underestimate. Police often record the deaths as cases of domestic violence, while other girls are driven to suicide or taken away to their family's country of origin and never seen again."

May Reza Aslan and his ilk choke on the truth.

Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.

Salon would have us all paying the jizya tax - saying it was Islamophobic to refuse!!

Completely clueless - they don't even acknowledge dhimmi law - the same status they would be living under - in the Islamic utopia - if they don't convert to Islam.

This accusation that claimed an Islamophobe - committed what is very likely an honor killing - demonstrates their gullibility in this area.

One quick read of the story - rose suspicions and said honor killing all over it. But not to Salon - where facts to do with 'actual' Islamic practise are largely irrelevant!!

Salon's position:

The Islamophobes from 1000 years ago started all this. The Copts in Egypt and Hindus in Pakistan - are all Islamophobes!!

The girl jumps out of a car moving at 35 mph !!

Because she doesn't want to marry an Iraqi cousin - to help him get his US citizenship.

Perhaps Salon should look into that!!

Islamic reality alert:

Muslim girls growing up in western society - being forcibly married off - to obtain passports for family members back in the old countries.

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On theory

If this girl can lie about her own mother's death - did she jump out of the car - or was she pushed. Perhaps the mother pushed her out of the car and then the dad killed the mother - for trying to kill his prized 'commodity' - because his honor was tied to the daughter's marriage to the cousin going ahead as planned.

They are in Iraq now - or at least they were - could she be married off before they return - get the US citizenship application papers rolling.


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There is something dastardly about this individual case - but western governments are going to have to look more closely at the arranged marriage for passport business. Because when these girls don't want to go along with it - somebody usually ends up dying.

The western passport is the new camel!

"..the animosity and bigotry experienced by Muslim communities of diverse racial backgrounds is rooted in years of ignorant stereotypes."

Dhimmitude with determination. It seems some people can't wait to be enslaved.


When the Shafia shariah murders took place in canada I heard the news and found it odd that 4 female immigrant would drive a car so close to the lock system that they woudl rive into it and then not try to escape from the car.
But it got worse folks, the CBC would NOT reveal very much about them being Muslims and that the family wasfrom Afghanistan.
Hmmmmmmmm, I never heard of a Death like this in my entire life on canadian soil . But now the truth came out and the feminists and islamic apologists got the media to buy the "Domestic-violence" angle to not offend muslims and cause more honour killings by the denial and to embolden the islamic-supremacy thugs.
When a muslim fire-bombed their won business and blamed skinheads to collect the Insurance from his failed business , the police had later on filed charges of fraud and arson. BUT....did the CBC follow-up, NOOOOOO , did CAIR correct their hate-speech to incite jihadists because canada was an islmophobic nation , no.
When the Pickering mosque fire-bombed themselves to by-pass the building code and build a mega-Mosque against the Laws for churches while telling the CBC and CAIR that white christian drunks did it.....did the CBC and Dan Mcteague go on TV to update us on how no arrests were made and how the Muslim custodian called 9-1-1 at 3:00am while in the mosque and yet heard nothing. Noooooo, Mcteague and Mark Holland appeased the CAIR-Linked mosque by bashing canda and Christians, plus Mcteague was on the Mosque video of a tolerance Meeting and he denied jesus as the messiah for Christians when he is a catholic. i called him on that and he alerted the Mosque to pull the video, but not until after i posted the link on a blog for others to see him cow tow to muhammed and muslims. Typical liberal that would sell the rope used to hang his own mother in Iran or gaza.


Nobody buys the islam=peace crap anymore and the muslims know it, even the moderates can't name one era or Nation under islam that was succesful with full rights and prosperity for all.
They cling on to the myth and fantasy that one day the true islam will rise from muhammad death-cult once the purge the quran of the violence, but thenm it's about 15 pages of rhetoric and delusions of prophethood and bliss with allah once he kills all the bad people.

Fudging the Numbers on Hate Crimes May 23, 2005

Mark Potok, of the hate crime-monitoring Southern Poverty Law Center, says his organization gave up quantifying bias as a fruitless pursuit years ago.

Mr. MARK POTOK (Southern Poverty Law Center): I think that the better policy for independent groups, watchdog groups and so on, is to, as much as possible, stick scrupulously to the truth. And in my opinion, the truth is that it is not possible to say whether hate crimes are going up or down. The material to make judgments like that, the statistical material, simply isn't out there.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4662915

So Mark Potok adopts a neutral agnostic stance with regard to hate crimes, and yet last year on CNN he said that the "radical right" poses a significantly greater threat to America than does Islamic terrorism.

http://www.mrc.org/bias-alerts/cnns-expert-extremism-radical-right-bigger-threat-jihadis

Perhaps Potok's appearance of fairness and love of truth in the matter of hate crimes has more to do with pushing a covert biased agenda -- to defuse the import hate crime stats have -- than with a sincere love of the truth.

It isnot than honor killing untril the police arrest than family member for it than they are find guiely in than court of law than all appeal to highter courts are finish.

@ Defender of the Indefensible

You wrote: It is not an honor killing until the police arrest than family member for it .....etc

If you mean that under secular legal systems there is 'presumption of innocence' until proven guilty, you have a point. However, we are free to openly discuss our theories as to who the honor-killer is.

Incidentally, Shari'a assumes you're guilty from the moment you are accused. For example, Asia Bibi's case, and countless others.

By the way, you have been found guilty in the court of public opinion of being a baggy-trousered, red-nosed, wire-wigged clown!

THE ALAWADI AND MARTIN KILLINGS

The left is using both the Shaima Alawadi and Trayvon Martin killings to push their White Racist/Islamaphobe America Hate Crimes Agenda when hate wasn't a factor in either killing.

How on earth are you defending islam by sending in semi-literate comments. I don`t know with what weapons you are defending your garbage but it certainly isn`t spelling or grammar.

God gave you a brain, so you should try using it! I'm thinking your parents must be cousins to one another, because only a half-wit would try to defend this evil, Satanic ideology that you try to pass off as a "religion."

towelhead,

There's a fifth option. Mass deportation. There's no need to go off half-cocked and start massacring Muslims on Western soil. Purveying the notion that we are forced to promote that desperate option actually contributes to the resistance people put up against mass deportattion: Most people in the West, whose minds and hearts have become infected with PC MC, automatically equate deportation with genocide, even though that is an irrational equation. Deportation is not killing; it is simply rejecting and ejecting.

Next come the pragmatic protestations: "How can you actually implement this?" "Where are you going to send the Muslims to?" "What if the Muslim countries you send them to don't accept them?" Etc. ad nauseam -- all calculated not to rationally engage the argument, but to subvert it.

For a thorough treatment of this issue, see An Iron Veil.

Hi LL, I dealt with this issue a while back in a comment on Jihad Watch:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/uk-comedy-show-host-threatened-over-suicide-bomber-joke.html


The only fly in the ointment in what I said at this post is how to treat British citizens who were born in the U.K.

Well, if they have dual citizenship then they may have two passports. If so, they can be be deported to the country of the alternate passport. It would be hard for U.K-born possessors of a second passport to argue they would be subject to persecution. If that was the case, why would they have gone through the process of getting the passport.

You asked "What if the Muslim countries you send them to don't accept them?" The answer to that is: if the individuals have a valid passport to that Muslim country then the country has to accept them unless International Law has changed since I was an Immigration Officer.

A passport is a document that promises to a foreign government that the issuing country will accept the holder of the passport back into its jurisdiction.

A country failing to comply with this promise would be subject to International sanction. It might find that its citizens were effectively barred from international travel.

A possible solution to the problem you are envisioning would be for the Western governments to approach some exceptionally poor Islamic country and pay its government well to create a system for accepting the deportees.

Said Islamic government would have to guarantee that at least minimal human rights would be guaranteed to the deportees so that human rights advocacy groups have no credible complaint.

So, its a win/win/win situation. The West gets rid of the trouble-making component of its Muslim population. The exceptionally poor Islamic nation gets some income to fund whatever its doing, Jihad, I suppose. The deported bozos get what they've always dreamed of Sharia. I wonder how the British-born Islamists will react to that. I'm sure they will find Sharia is not the Nirvana of which they dreamed. Oh, sorry, Nirvana is from another religion altogether.

You are getting way ahead of things.

FIRST, we have to convince our fellow PC/MC Kufar that there is a problem and explain Muhammad and Islam.

THEN the solution will follow.

The repulsive "towelhead" wrote, re solutions to the Jihad threat:

1. European governments declare that Islam is a fascist ideology and implement vigorous policy of de-Islamization...

2. European governments embrace eugenics and population control. All immigrants take IQ (intelligence quotient) test. If their score is lower than 110, they are rejected. Muslims, people who have IQ lower than 100, and people who have genetic defects are sterilized when they are 10 years old. Healthy parents who have IQ in the range of 100 to 109 are sterilized after first childbirth. Healthy parents who have IQ in the range of 110 to 119 are sterilized after second childbirth. Healthy parents who have IQ above 119 can have unlimited number of children. European governments fund development of advanced, affordable genetic engineering tools that enable all parents to select the best genes for their children. When these genetic engineering tools become available, they are mandatory.
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What sort of monstrous canard *is this*? Not only is it repulsive in and of itself, it would do nothing to address the Jihad threat save weed out a few inbred Muslims.

Eugenics is not only a brutal concept, it is a failed one. You are raising spectres of Nazism here.

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3. European voters elect fascist politicians who pledge to kill all Muslims as soon as they are elected.
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But why bother when spectres when you can go straight for Fascism itself? sarc/off

The idea that the only way to counter the savagery of Islam is with the savagery of Fascism is both grotesquely ugly and *utterly false*.

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4. Europeans follow the example of Anders Breivik. They try to kill all Muslims and their kafir supporters.
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Yet more vicious crap, and most likely the heart of your sick "argument". Anders Breivik was no Anti-Jihadist, despite the fact that he was painted as one.

In fact, he expressed his intention of *working with violent Jihadists*, something no Anti-Jihadist would ever do.

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The first three solutions are rather impracticable not only because European law prohibits these solutions, but also because the European law prohibits debating these solutions. Prominent Europeans (Geert Wilders, Oriana Fallaci, Brigitte Bardot, Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff, Susanne Winter, Lars Hedegaard, Jesper Langballe, Jussi Kristian Halla-aho, Michel Houellebecq, and Gregorius Nekschot) were hauled before European courts for telling the truth about Islam.

The most practicable solution is the last solution.
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Notice what "towelhead" is here positing—that anyone serious about facing the terrible threat of Jihad is in sympathy with the vile child-killer Anders Breivik, and, moreover, takes him as their model.

Nice try, creep.

Robert Spencer and everyone else at Jihad Watch has already rejected this grotesque paradigm.

It is possible that this poster is what he claims to be, but I think it more likely that his calling himself "towelhead" as an inside joke—that is, that he is Muslim himself.

In any case, he is a sick individual. So far, I believe other posters have been far too nice to "towelhead", and have chosen to treat him as a far more rational actor than he truly is.

"ignores the fact that very long borders cannot be guarded. Two examples:
1. Illegal immigrants and drug traffickers easily cross the border between U.S. and Mexico.
2. According to military experts, the combined force of Western, Indian, Chinese, and Russian navy is not powerful enough to stop Somali pirates."

That's not because it's not doable. It's only because they -- for various reasons (not the least of which stemming from PC MC considerations) -- really don't want to do it right.

*Excellent* riposte, graven.

This 'towelhead' is of the same ilk that often posts on the EDL forum, whenever Tommy has made a particularly good response or speech on telly. They come on saying things like, 'let's stop with all these peaceful demonstrations, and start leading a violent attack against the muslim scum.' They're usually UAF.

What they are of course hoping for, is that some people on the forum will agree, and they can then use this to further paint their demonisation of the EDL as 'right-wing racist neo-nazis blah blah blah. Thankfully, no-one on the forum is that stupid.

So 'towelhead' is hoping he/she can get someone on *this* site to agree with his disgusting nazi/fascist remarks, and denigrate Jihad Watch. 'towelhead' is either a mohammedan in a mask, or a leftist muslim apologist/enabler/useful idiot/troll.

You said, if you remember, on another thread, that we seemed to be getting an awful lot of these lately. A clear indication of the impact JW is having, and the fact that more and more people are getting the message about jihad and sharia. They just can't stand it.

No need to invade, you fool. That would be a complete waste of men and money.

The USA has the means, and more than the means, to simply and very suddenly turn Iran's nuke sites into a series of enormous smoking holes in the ground,

Combine US firepower with Israeli intelligence on Iran...which is, I would hazard the guess, better than anyone else's, and...BOOOM. BOOOM. BOOOM.

Then say nothing. No apologies and no explanations.

And if a retaliatory jihad mass-murder assaults even remotely traceable to Iranian proxies takes place anywhere in the world after that, Qom and the Mahdi's Well cop it, in the second round.

“Being a liberal, I hate fascists, but I am smart enough to understand that fascist regime is lesser evil than Islamic regime.”

Lessee,

Brutal Islamic thugs in charge:
Murder, rape and tyranny.

Brutal fascist thugs in charge:
Murder, rape and tyranny, only on a lager and much more organized scale, featuring concentration camps and industrial sized ovens.

If you think Europe is going to replay 1939 again, you are an idiot.

(You know, “liberal” and “smart” really don’t go together.)

You're mixing apples and pomegranates. My "Iron Veil" recommendation doesn't posit that we in the meantime do nothing about the problem of Iranian nuclear weapons; nor does it posit that enforcing a quarantine border would somehow in addition solve that problem.

The appalling "towelhead" wrote:

I did not mention deportation, taking away legal rights from Muslim immigrants, and enslavement of Muslim immigrants...
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More vicious crap from "towelhead". No civilized Westerner is advocating the "enslavement" of Muslim immigrant. It is, instead, *Muslims* who condone and sacralize slavery:

"Former dean of Islamic Law at Saudi university misunderstands Islam, says Islamic law permits possession of slaves"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/03/former-dean-of-islamic-law-at-saudi-university-misunderstands-islam-says-islamic-law-permits-possess.html

"I hope that Kuwait will enact the law for...sex slaves"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/i-hope-that-kuwait-will-enact-the-law-forsex-slaves.html

It is the free West which fought for the *end* of slavery.

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I believe that fascist-led Europeans will drive Muslims, Jews, and non-whites out of Europe...
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Just slavering for a return of the Holocaust, eh, "towelhead"? Sick bastard.

As for Fascists presenting the "last best hope for mankind" (sarc/off) against Islam, think again:

"Bosnian Muslim neo-Nazi group vilifies Jews"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/03/bosnian-muslim-neo-nazi-group-vilifies-jews.html

Mein Kampf is a big seller in the Muslim world. Jihadists often refer to the Holocaust in tones of admiration. To the extent that Muslims respect *any* Infidels, they respect Fascists.

And despite his obsession with "racial purity", Hitler respected Muslims and Islam, as well. Infamously, there was a Balkan Muslim SS Division.

Here's Hitler and the Mufti of Jerusalem having a nice chat:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/People/muftihitler.jpg

The idea that Fascism presents a bulwark against Islam is utter crap.

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Being a liberal, I hate fascists, but I am smart enough to understand that fascist regime is lesser evil than Islamic regime.
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Ah, yes—because one so often finds "liberals" ranting about Fascism, Eugenics, and driving Jews out of Europe...sarc/off

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QUOTATIONS

"We're trying to appease Islam, but we are headed for a terrible confrontation between fascist Islam and Right-wing fascists who will step in when liberals fail to do so… This is the beginning of a challenge with no possible compromise. There is no bargain that can be struck when the question at hand is one of basic human rights." - Ayaan Hirsi Ali

"My criticsim of the West, especially of liberals, is that they take freedom for granted." - Ayaan Hirsi Ali
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali is here *urging* liberals to act. The idea that she is putting her stamp of approval on Fascism in Europe, as you seem to imply, is grotesque.

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"During the late thirties, Churchill was censored. He was virtually blackballed by the BBC and demonized by other major media. They were afraid to have his message aired, afraid of its implications. When Chamberlain brought “peace in our time” back from Munich, Churchill was denounced as a warmonger for criticizing Chamberlain’s capitulation to the Nazi threat." source: http://frontpagemag.com/2010/07/09/symposium-the-fear-that-wilders-is-right/
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Here you're trying to use the words of perhaps the greatest fighter against Fascism ever to advocate for Fascism being some sort of "last hope"? Nice try, creep.

You are no Geert Wilders, and you are no Winston Churchill.

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If we build a fence and a mine field around Iran, Iran will launch rockets into our cities. Most Iranians believe that Iran should have nuclear weapons. Most Westerners and Arabs believe that Iran should NOT have nuclear weapons. We should give ultimatum to Iran: if you do not abandon nuclear technology, we will invade and partition Iran. After the partition, the petroleum-rich Khuzestan will become independent country. (Khuzestan is populated mainly by Arabs who are severely abused by ethnic Persians. Half of the Iranian population is not ethnic Persian.)
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It's this sort of thing that leads me to believe that "towelhead" possibly really is Muslim. Many Sunni Muslims are all too eager to use the West to weaken or destroy their Shi'ite foes, whom they consider heretical.

Certainly, "towelhead's" scenario, above, would benefit Sunni Arab Muslims most of all.

In the end, though, it hardly matters whether "towelhead" is Muslim, is a leftist who is trying to elicit rash comments from Jihad Watch posters, or is an out-and-out Fascist himself.

In any case, "towelhead" is a vile figure.

The question is whether or not we can have an HONEST debate about islam. Sorry, but you have been found wanting in that regard ...

towelhead shouts in bold:

"Can we have a debate about how to deal with Islam?"

Prior to that, he had responded to my suggestion that he take a look at my essay (The Iron Veil) on my proposal on "how to deal" with the problem of Islam, thusly:

"Deportation is one of the options that should be mentioned, but I doubt that it is the best option. The Iron Veil article is long, boring, and it ignores the fact that very long borders cannot be guarded."

If towelhead can't be bothered to read a lengthy and detailed analysis and argued defense of a proposal, in order to either agree with it or refute it properly with an actual counter-argument, then he's not serious about his concern for a "debate" on the issue.

Ya, know Towelhead, keep talkn’.

Seriously, it’s people like you who remind us Americans, exactly why it is that we must always be prepared to fight a two front war.

Hi, Jan. I quite agree.

Davegreybeard wrote:

Seriously, it’s people like you who remind us Americans, exactly why it is that we must always be prepared to fight a two front war.
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Just what I was thinking, Davegreybeard. It's good to know who your enemies are, though.

The idea that you have to turn into your enemies in order to fight them is an old, old canard—as is the idea that brute savagery is strength.

It wasn't true in WWII and it isn't true now. If the West ever allows itself to fully wake up to the threat of Islam—which I believe Jihad Watch is a key part of—then the West will find it already has all the tools it needs to fight Islam, as long as she is principled, resolute, and consistent.

She's done it in the past and can do it again against Islam, as well.

Hope you are OK making it through this chilly, wet Spring.

gravenimage,

Methinks towelhead was enamored of Fascism long before the problem of Islam came on his radar. He would be a curious neo-Fascist, however, not realizing that the classical Fascists themselves have more in common with Islam (and often admired the martial discipline and ability to fanatically demagogue in Islamic culture) than they do with the West whose men and women spent their blood, sweat, tears, spirit and money fighting them and horrifically defeating them -- without, nonetheless, ever "becoming like them" -- in WW2.

It's a tediously narrow defile we few, we happy few, we band of brothers and sisters, have to walk, between the PC MC worrywarts on one side who anxiously recoil from "becoming like them", and the neo-Fascists on the other side who want to go too far -- both committing the same error though in reverse as they look across each other as in a mirror, and agree we must be slowed down, or stopped.

Meanwhile, we give them the bloody finger and trudge on, guided by the light of common sense, for now as yet uncommon, but growing more and more as the day that set in the West awakens...

Thanks for the kind words Graven.

Actually I’m enjoying the rain.

Was thinking of going out in the Carquinez Straits in my kayak tomorrow – but chance of T storms – I’ll have to see what it looks like in the morning.

You're right. And Davegreybeard. It really doesn't matter whether 'towelhead' is a muslim, leftist, or neo-nazi. What matters is that we carry on the fight for human rights against islam, sharia and jihad.

''The idea that you have to turn into your enemies in order to fight them is an old, old canard—as is the idea that brute savagery is strength.'' Spot on.

LemonLime wrote:

Methinks towelhead was enamored of Fascism long before the problem of Islam came on his radar...
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Agreed, LemonLime.

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It's a tediously narrow defile we few, we happy few, we band of brothers and sisters, have to walk, between the PC MC worrywarts on one side who anxiously recoil from "becoming like them", and the neo-Fascists on the other side who want to go too far...
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So true. And then there are those leftists who even go beyond the first group, and assert that any defense on our part against violent Jihad is nothing but unprovoked aggression on our part, because they refuse to acknowledge the existence of violent Jihad at all.

This includes those who consider surveillance of mosques or arrest of Jihad plotters to be nothing but unfounded "Islamophobia", like the morons at Occupy Boston who are big supporters of Jihad terrorist Tarek Mehanna.

And kudos to you, LemonLime, for the lines from Henry V. Any quotes from Shakespeare are bound to elevate the general tone of the conversation.

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Meanwhile, we give them the bloody finger and trudge on, guided by the light of common sense, for now as yet uncommon, but growing more and more as the day that set in the West awakens...
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God, I hope so. Thanks for the reply, and I hope you are doing well.

Davegreybeard wrote:

Actually I’m enjoying the rain.

Was thinking of going out in the Carquinez Straits in my kayak tomorrow – but chance of T storms – I’ll have to see what it looks like in the morning.
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You're a better man than I am, Davegreybeard. I've mostly been watching these endless downpours from my studio window, where I'm nice and dry and drinking hot tea.

Absolutely, Jan. Thanks.

couple of items. about those statistics. what is left out is any mention of how many of those antimuslim "hate crimes" are actually fake, and committed by muslims trying to promote the idea of islamophobia, and how many in reality represent inadequately investigated honor killings? how many hate crimes against jews are actually committed by muslims? my admittedly inadequately informed guess would be 90%. i propose that citing hate crimes classified by victim identity is a crock. what should be reported is the identity of the perpetrator, if it can be determined, and i dont mean doing it european style, and misidentifying islamic crimes by attributing them to "asians". i submit that the true statistics, instead of 251 against jews, and 11 against muslims, would be hate crimes by muslims, 226, hate crimes by others, 26. that delineates the problem, but a better way to report it would be, guessing that 2% of new york is privileged to belong to the winning religion of peace, the report that statistically, members of the religion of peace are 500 times more prone to the commission of hate crimes than all others. how bout bringing us some real statistics? then when you get around to considering which group deserves to have hate crimes committed against them.............wow. americans are really, really peaceful when it comes to punishing the most evil influence ever imported into our country.

couple of items. about those statistics. what is left out is any mention of how many of those antimuslim "hate crimes" are actually fake, and committed by muslims trying to promote the idea of islamophobia, and how many in reality represent inadequately investigated honor killings? how many hate crimes against jews are actually committed by muslims? my admittedly inadequately informed guess would be 90%. i propose that citing hate crimes classified by victim identity is a crock. what should be reported is the identity of the perpetrator, if it can be determined, and i dont mean doing it european style, and misidentifying islamic crimes by attributing them to "asians". i submit that the true statistics, instead of 251 against jews, and 11 against muslims, would be hate crimes by muslims, 226, hate crimes by others, 26. that delineates the problem, but a better way to report it would be, guessing that 2% of new york is privileged to belong to the winning religion of peace, the report that statistically, members of the religion of peace are 500 times more prone to the commission of hate crimes than all others. how bout bringing us some real statistics? then when you get around to considering which group deserves to have hate crimes committed against them.............wow. americans are really, really peaceful when it comes to punishing the most evil influence ever imported into our country.

some posters here have proposed that it will be up to the "extreme right", or fascists (extreme left) to lead the revolt against our treasonous leaders and expel islam from our country. they are correct that the "right" (otherwise known as patriots) would like to end the islamic conquest of our country. they are dead wrong in thinking fascists would ever do such a thing. leftists are evil, but not stupid. they saw leftist hitler attack communist USSR, and they saw how that worked out for the leftist nazis (national SOCIALISTS). dont expect such a fortuitous event to ever again occur. why cannot we recognize that islam is the direst threat that exists against ALL infidels, not just the hated "right"? try to understand that islam is there to eliminate all infidels, not just the evil "right". communists, christians, pagans, zoroastrians, nestorians, copts, devil worshipers, witches, hindu, buddhist, atheists, mormons, baptists, even america-hating, racist revrund wright baptists, are all equally at risk when islam achieves power. another little historical fact you may have overlooked..........when islam is in the minority, they are eager for converts. when islam achieves power, they dont need converts. what they need is slaves,and they castrate the black slaves. if the slaves become bothersome, they just murder them. still think it is up to the hated "right" to protect you from the islamic evil that leftists have intentionally imported to enslave or kill you? think again.

David Mamet, late comer to conservatism and reason, wrote that the first rule of human secularism is --Do not tell the truth.
Lefties and libtards have learned the lesson well. For Muslims, it's merely an act of faith.

“There is a hate crime problem in El Cajon,” says Basma Coda, an Iraqi-American who works at the Chaldean-Middle Eastern Social Services. “We have documented six physical attacks since 2007 in which Iraqi refugees were beat up and had broken bones. All had to go the hospital. They were all over 50, and one was a 75-year-old man with Parkinson’s disease.”

Bahahahahahah. I really had to laugh when I read this one. PEOPLE!!! ATTENTION!!! THE CHALDEANS ARE CHRISTIANS. So, if there are hate crimes, who is committing them against whom?.. Most likely muslims are beating up on Chaldeans, because they hate the affluence the Chaldeans have attained here in San Diego. There is almost NO communication between them.

And what about the math? 7 physical altercations within 5 years? Works out to 1.4 per year. That's HARDLY a hate crime spree.

I'm wondering how many Jews have been harassed and victimized in those same 5 years.

And finally, what about the HATE CRIMES COMMITTED BY MUSLIMS AGAINST MUSLIM WOMEN, PARTICULARLY THE FGM OF SOMALIAN WOMEN!!!! God help them. I see them younger and younger with their crippled walk. There oughta be a law which is REQUIRED TO BE REPORTED BY DOCTORS so we can get to the bottom of it!!

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