Shaima Alawadi victim of honor killing, not "Islamophobic hate crime"

My hypothesis is: daughter gets caught having sex with BF. Daughter, terrified of her father's reaction and unhappy about arranged marraige, throws herself out of the car her mother was driving after a failed pleading with her mother. This event convinces mother to leave husband. Husband somehow finds out about this who then kills the wife. Daughter, a witness, decides to back the only family she has left out of a sense of divided loyalty. It's also possible, given her sunglasses, that her father struck her after she discovered the murder.

I figured that the daughter will likely be married while she is out of the country and may or may not be allowed to return to the US by her new husband.

That she would be unavailable for further questioning will stall some parts, if not a full conclusion, of the investigation.

Why do so many articles like this come from the Daily Mail?
Why is a newspaper in the UK better informed than the US media on many issues and events in the USA?

The Daily Mail covers Mrs. Obama's many vacations, television appearances and fashion faux pas much more thoroughly than any American publication.

Yup, seems a hate crime to me, either way.

Oh ...I forgot, it's only a hate crime one way.

Just the facts Reza - just the facts!!

Looks like the plot thickens!!

The daughter was caught with a man in the car -
one could say that household was in disarray in Islamic terms.

But then again not really - like teens everywhere - Muslim teens get up to pretty much the same things - only...

This whole thing is coming apart faster than we could speak.

The mother might have been blamed for the daughter's behaviour.

Also the daughter may have been in love with the 21 yr-old - but the father had other plans. Marry your cousin - he gets a passport!

I'll bet the daughter is caught in the middle. He killed the mother - and they both had to cover it up.

Just as in the Aqsa "Axa" Parvez case her brother also said he was asleep while his sister was murdered -

Blows on the top of the head - this doesn't seem something a young girl would think to do - and then there are height issues.

Even though it was said to be a rift - between the daughter and the mother - people on the whole still want to protect their children. Which could have been in part what the divorce was about. At that age children play disputing parents and if she would have allowed her freedom - the daughter would have chosen to go with the mother. Seeing his whole family falling apart - he restored his honor!!

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The Islamophobe-thing was below the belt!

These are the issues so-called Islamophobes talk about!!

How convenient to criminalize its critics.

Next time it would not be so easy. They would need to invent another excuse!

OT--ON Topic:

This morning on CBS (?) they were promoting an upcoming "48 Hours" programme regarding Honor Killings. The case was the daughter in Arizona who was run over by her father driving a car. A police officer was interviewed and used the term 'honor' killing.

Charlie Rose was one of the mystified network panel members. Not once were the words Muslim or Islam used. They referred to this as a "Middle Eastern Tradition."

Ha! Then Charlie Rose says, "This is the first I've ever heard of this." Rose is the same guy who said, "We don't really know Barack Obama" so maybe he's honestly stupid.

Anyway, it's a start. Too bad Pamela could not have been interviewed for this programme.

So basically, the one million women in headscarves will be rallying for support, tolerance and acceptance of the cultural and religious values that led to the murder of this woman, and which is the source of over 90% of all honor killings worldwide. You can't make this stuff up.

Damon,

The sales promos are getting tiring. You're at this site along with several others.

Knock it off.

Reza Aslan could not be reached for comment.

Since the police didnot arrest than family memder yet it isnot than honor killing. Then said family member must be found guierrly by than court than all appeal hear by highter courts.

"Since the police didnot arrest than family memder yet it isnot than honor killing... "

*sigh*... man, these pedohammedans are such dolts, they even suck at trolling.

1. While stationed at Imperial Beach and North Island in the mid 70's, I lived on the East side of El Cajon; about 3 miles from Lakeside.

I used to go to Lakeside to visit the topless bar that was there at the time.

My, how times have changed!

2. I'm sure that her tryst was O.K., so long as she kept her hijab on.

3. How will she explain her loss of virginity to her new cousin/husband?

4. As with so many other "honor killings", the "man" running from the home was probably her brother.

5. Dear, dear Muslimahs posted a slew of whinny Youtube videos--some, of course, blaming white Americans for the murder. The comments were a little to hot for some of the very misinformed posters and some of the videos no longer exist or have gone private.

This was so obviously an inside whack job, its amazing how stupid and blind anyone would be to invest their reputation and psuedo-religion/ideology in this, hey Reza?

I'm not talking about the bad acting from the troubled daughter, raised to go crazy by Muslim parents...

It was obvious when the cops said this was an isolated incident that the public shouldn't be worried about...

If there was an unknown crazed murderer running loose, would the cops ever say that?

The question is, since the cops already had so much dirt on these dirtbags, why were they permitted to travel to Iraq with the evidence (body)?

Deference to Muslim supremacy, perhaps?

Blaming non-Muslims to deflect a crime should itself be a hate crime.

In any muslim country this wouldn't even be a blip or an entry on the police log.

We know the following:

The daughter was caught having sex in a car with a guy.

She was frightened of an arranged marriage.

A man was seen running from the scene.

An Islamophobic note was found by the body.

I think that the boyfriend was made to do it by the father, who threatened that if he didn't do it he'd either kill or marry off the daughter. The father wanted his wife dead because he knew she was planning on filing for divorce and he didn't want the shame of that. He would have been too afraid to kill his wife himself, but now after his daughter was caught having sex in the car, he now had leverage to make the boyfriend do it. They decided to frame it as a hate crime for two reasons: to put the police off the scent, and to assuage the burden of guilt they felt about the muder by doing an act of 'service' to the ummah.

Although, if a man would kill his wife for divorce then it does seem unlikely that he could, under any circumstances, live with the shame of his daughter having unmarried sex in a car.

I watched a news interview of the bereaved daughter, wearing a gold-colored veil and black sunglasses, dabbing a tissue at her cheeks. The tissue never got damp or became shredded. She did not seem grief stricken to me. Her voice was strong, no choking up as one with grief. She had plenty to say about the scene of the crime and its details, the wounds to her mother's body, the note. I mean, who focusses so much on all that when they find the body of their much loved parent? Most telling of all would be a look at her eyes. They are the mirror to the soul; they do not lie. She was savvy enough to hide them.

If the "Persons of Interest" were anything but muslim, they would have never been allowed to leave the state, let alone the country. We'll never see them again.

Wait until there really is a backlash, as they call it, against muslims. We Americans are an extremely tolerant people, but if we're pushed to far, Watch Out! Just ask the Japanese and the Germans.

Why wasn't the father a suspect from the beginning? Almost 77% of murders where victim/killer relationships are known prove to be committed by family or friend. The police should have started there.

Anyone who thought this was a hate crime should be cringing with embarrassment right now.

Reza Aslan has no shame, like many Muslims. He will somehow, in his twisted mind, think he was justififed, and will bury this story down the memory-hole, not give a sh*t about this murdered woman, not say anything else about it, and then the next manufactured hate-crime he will be spewing the same old hate twoards anti-jihadist freedom fighters. Count on it!
Meanwhile his 'beloved' sisters in Islam get murdered with tire irons by their families while he smiles a smug, silent smile. Nuff said!

The question now is,will the father and daughter return to the US or elect to stay put in Iraq having no been the focus of this investigation?Maybe that's the reason for arranging to take the body to Iraq.

Haha and he says, "come find me", lolz...how could we miss you Reza? Every chance you get you are promoting yourself, its not like you are in hiding for your life like some who are on the Islamic hitlist, where they really DO have to worry about some crazed person (of your religious affiliation) coming to murder them.
Get Real, Reza! Attention-whore!

I had already expected this when I first heard of the alleged 'hate-crime', so I'm not in the least surprised.Most of us would indeed welcome it if these people with a mindset created in the Arabian desert went 'back to their country', but we do not use violence and never would. There are simply insurmountable differences between them and us, and we should stop the settlement of additional barbarians in the West. The Romans didn't quite profit from the Germanic tribes that settled on their territory, and I vaguely remember that the Chinese once let nomads from the north settle on the Chinese side of the Great wall, which later created endless troubles.

It will be good if the father and the daughter never return. I am not fond of Muslim women either. They support Islam to the tilt. They bring their sons up to kill Infidels. They are as vile as their men folks.

If the father and the daughter do not return, we will have two less criminals - and no tax dollar to keep them in prisons. They will be assumed guilty. This case has attracted enough publicity, it will make our police effort somewhat water tight to retain the family members in the future. Her friend or lover will speak down the road as most criminals do.

There were things in the Bob Crane and Jon benet Ramsey cases that made no sense either and I'm the truth is coming out about this "muslim that cried Islamophobe".

A mosque in Pickering Ontario had a bogus hate-crime where the mosque fire-bombed its own building to by-pass the building codes and built a mega-mosque well above zonih law heights.
But the Police, Insurance, and political people feared muslims and CAIR when it was reported as Arson by canadian bigots attacking a mosque. To date, not one arrest or wtiness for who did the fire bombing because no cameras were installed to make the same work.
The Big-Lie got by and the Terrorist win because the PSY-Op to inflict fear of a label like racists or anti-muslim had worked so well why stop now.
The part the KeyStone Kopps failed to investigate was how the custodian in the mosque at 3:00am was only alerted to the vandals and windwo smashing by the smell of smoke fro mthe fire, he burnt the awning cover outside the mosque for the "female entrance" , yet he smelt it and was there at 3:00am to call 911.

What are the odds for that??

A soon as I saw CAIR's prints on it i knew it was a scam.

A whole lotta typing, effort, energy, thinking, conjecturing, investigating, man hours from police and related law enforcement personnel, media attention -- then multiply that by a few hundred thousand over the next decade (not to mention far worse incidents involving murders of non-Muslims) -- all an utter waste of time virtually eliminated if we simply deported Muslims.

Actually I agree with those who complain that Shaima was killed for wearing a hijab.

She died because she was the daughter of an imam, she was married off to her cousin before she was old enough to give informed consent, and she planned to divorce her husband.

Although non-Muslim thugs do occasionally murder an errant wife, it is about ten times as common among Muslims (in Britain, anyway), so it is no exaggeration to say that Shaima died because she was a Muslim.

For the record, I believe the husband did it. The person who wielded the weapon was certainly male. If Shaima's second child, the 16-year-old, is male, I'd also want to know whether he was the young man seen running from the scene - although it isn't common for a Muslim to slay his mother.

The daughter is certainly lying, but it doesn't follow that she contributed to her mother's death. I suspect she was only pressured into covering up for the murderer after the fact. She did a very poor job. First she said she slept through the whole thing; then she said that she heard her mother "squeal" and that she heard the glass breaking after the cry of pain!

I don't know how Fatima's friend fits in. Perhaps he's a red herring - only wanted as a witness and labelled "suspect" to throw us off the scent. Or perhaps he was crudely bullied into doing the dirty work: "It's her or you." The problem with the latter scenario is that whoever honour-killed Shaima also believes that Fatima has a boyfriend. (Whether he is actually her boyfriend is not really relevant.) That would surely be reason to kill Fatima in addition to her mother. And the young man would have been an idiot not to understand that.

It was utter insanity to allow the chief suspect to fly the country with the potential victim under his wing.

ImNoDhimmi, you need to understand that the Daily Mail is a tabloid rag, only one step up from The Sun. I don't say that its news is untrue but I do say that it tends to be sensational. It's always full of stories about murder, sex scandals and shady financial dealings. An honour killing is just the kind of story that makes its journalists rub their hands in glee.

Poor Shaima. Will nobody hold a vigil just for her, not to make any kind of political statement about evil Muslims or evil Islamophobes or even evil DV perpetrators, but just because they loved and miss Shaima?

Ugh. Just went to Resa's Facebook page. He has a statement there about how it may not have been "appropriate" to use Shaima as the face for the "Hoodies and Hijabs" rally. But there's no mention that it's most likely a muslim on muslim crime. Just more propaganda on how the there's more intolerance and hate groups now than ever. I commented the following (though I'm sure they'll take it out.):

"Actually, it's (the hoodie/hijab comparison) quite appropriate. The minority, this being the women of islam, oppressed by the majority, the men of islam. I respectfully request that you start speaking up for muslim women's rights within their societies."

I seriously doubt that Resa's team will address the concern of the "HIJABBED" women being victims of their own religion and men.

I must say I agree with Blue Raven above, who posted:

"If the father and the daughter do not return [from Iraq, to which they have seemingly hightailed it - dda], we will have two less criminals - and no tax dollar to keep them in prisons. They will be assumed guilty..".

Yup.

All things considered, best to simply slap a ban on their ever returning to America or, for that matter, into any other majority non-Muslim land. And if they have American citizenship: cancel it.

They're in dar al Islam now.

Let them stay there.

And let's hope that any *other* family/ extended family members still in the States, will up sticks and leave, too...and if they do, don't let *them* back in, either; these sorts of murders tend to have been decided upon, and colluded in, by entire *clans*, so best to err on the side of caution.

It's too bad that the TV show, "All-American Muslim" went under. This sad story would have presented a side of Islam that needs airing, and it would have perked up the show's ratings too. The stars of the show were dull at best; these folks are persons of interest.

There are so many levels of irony to this story, one hardly knows where to begin. But the one that really has me shaking my head:

"Go back to where you came from, terrorists!"

That was the approximate message of the phony note they planted... and they ended up doing just that, didn't they?

Incidently the same edition of the Daily Mail has a picture of an elephant like lava formation on Mars. So much for the Islamic miracle claims of cloud formations looking like the word Allah in Arabic and Allah's and Muhammad's names appearing on leaves and inside fruits etc.