Today in Dearborn, we're standing up against the barbarity of honor murder

"Leftist Brownshirts"----

Redundant.

God bless all of you at the conference who are there to stop the barbarity of "honour" killing.

Non-muslims cleaning up Muslim dirt!
What a noble cause!

Smash 'em with the truth, guys and gals.

Muhammedanism will wilt like a weed.

The truth hurts more than a sword!

“Evil is made possible by the sanction you give it.
Withdraw your sanction” -- Pamela Geller

http://newstime.co.nz/mohammad-shafia-understood-islam-very-well.html

I really worry about you guys going to places like this and wonder if it is necessary. Islam is so murderously evil and you know there are many "religion of peace" creatures who would joyfully take all of your heads off.

canto28 - my friend it is never more neccesary
what bravery, what heart, what constitution
god bless you true patriots
and god bless the united states of america

ps. they ve sure picked the wrong guys to debate,
so like the cowards they are, they will not.
keep safe ...

Fearless in Dearborn...Don't let your guard down...

My small contribution went out for the extra security that you will all need.

The Tafsi Ibn Kathir is famous and more than merely representative about the sources of this theological basis to Sharia law. Specifically:

Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr and Disgrace, Allah said,
(until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam,
(with willing submission), in defeat and subservience,
(and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said,

(Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley.) This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace. The scholars of Hadith narrated from `Abdur-Rahman bin Ghanm Al-Ash`ari that he said, "I recorded for `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, the terms of
the treaty of peace he conducted with the Christians of Ash-Sham: `In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. This is a document to the servant of Allah `Umar, the Leader of the faithful, from the Christians of such and such city. When you (Muslims) came to us we requested safety for ourselves, children, property and followers of our religion. We made a condition on ourselves that we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk, nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration nor use any of
them for the purpose of enmity against Muslims. We will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches whether they come by day or night, and we will open the doors [of our houses of worship] for the wayfarer and passerby. Those Muslims who come as guests, will enjoy boarding and food for three days. We will not allow a spy against Muslims into our churches and homes or hide deceit [or betrayal] against Muslims. We will not teach our children the Qur'an, publicize practices of Shirk, invite anyone to Shirk or prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam, if they choose to do so. We will respect Muslims, move from the places we sit in if they choose to sit in them. We will not imitate their clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names, or ride on saddles, hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons. We will not encrypt our stamps in Arabic, or sell liquor. We will have the front of our hair cut, wear our customary clothes wherever we are, wear belts around our waist, refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches and demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets. We will not sound the bells in our churches, except discretely, or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims, nor raise our voices [with prayer] at our funerals, or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets. We will not bury our dead next to Muslim dead, or buy servants who were captured by Muslims. We will be guides for Muslims and refrain from breaching their privacy in their homes.' When I gave this document to `Umar, he added to it, `We will not beat any Muslim. These are the conditions that we set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is
broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.'''
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How's that for freedom of expression and human rights..... That is Islam, and using our western concepts of freedom to deny expression and critical analysis is based upon their own beliefs, and demand for special status.

At the Hyatt Regency, reasoned discourse

At the Double Tree, yelling & screaming

Fellow Jihad Watch readers,you may already know of this but just in case I wanted to pass along this link to a free online 10-part series on the threat of Shariah by Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy.

http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/

There is also a free PDF download of the report "A Short Course on Sharia and the Muslim Brotherhood" available on the Center's site here:

http://shariahthethreat.org/2011/04/a-short-course-on-shariah-and-the-muslim-brotherhood/

Very good factual information that I think you will find useful to have at your disposal in the ongoing fight against Shariah in America.

I hope this makes a huge splash in the news.... at some point they can no longer ignore the truth...

It still amazes me that there are "human beings" who will come out and accuse you of being Islamophobic,and of hate crimes simply because you are opposed to the murdering of women.

It is difficult to even grasp such accusations in a civilized World. But the Koran's teachings are locked in an archaic and ancient world that allows for no change because the words in the Koran are considered pure for all time. The teachings in the Koran were supposedly given to Mohamed by the Angel Gabriel from Allah and thus can never be abrogated. Anyone trying to change the words in the Koran can be marked for death as a blasphemer.

One person died and 15 people were wounded when a grenade was thrown into a church in Kenya’s capital during Sunday service, an official said, an attack some parishioners blamed on a land dispute in the East African metropolis.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/04/29/grenade-hits-a-church-in-kenya/#ixzz1tRWsTKgD

Youssef

OT

'Civilization jihad' and Obama's connections

Video series exposes ongoing plan to overthrow America from within
http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/civilization-jihad-and-obamas-connections/

Best of luck to all attendees' at this afternoons conference in Dearbornistan,Michigan.

I pray that God Almighty will keep you safe and also all those who have come to hear the truth. The Truth must be told, it is the only thing that sets a person free; and Truth is not hate speach.

May this be the start of the opening of the eyes of those blinded to hate... to Islam.

Take care, be safe - God Bless

I have noticed that Wsetern feminists are very silent,at least the most famous ones.The truth is the Koran itself is anti-woman.Read:

"The Koran says a Muslim Man can have a Muslim Woman as his Slave"

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/08/26/the-koran-says-a-muslim-man-can-have-a-muslim-woman-as-his-slave/

PLUS

"Saladin(1138-1193) in Western literature,Part I"

http://www.antisharia.com/2012/04/29/saladin1138-1193-in-western-literaturepart-i/

"There are few nudities so objectionable as the naked truth."

Agnes Repplier

p.s., sent out my contribution as well!

To all our brave ladies and gentlemen - please do not let your guards down, not even for that micro-sec. We need every and each one of you. We will win this war together. God bless.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan, an old style kind of liberal in the Truman mold, observed that the greatest failing of modern liberalism is its inability to recognize and deal effectively with evil. I'd say he nailed it with this observation.

If Islam didn't regularly have modern leftists running interference for it, exposing Islam's many pathologies and dysfunctional aspects would be so much simpler. But modern leftists keep putting up a screen before Islam and confirm exceedingly well Moynihan's assessment. Shame on them forever.

"I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

you are obviously a bunch of islamophobes(sarc)

Sorry I could not be there in person. I wish I could have been. Thank you for shining a light on the horror of 'honor' killings.

may you freedom fighters,, the real freedom fighters shine a light on the evil of sharia law and islam.. sending prayers your way for your safety!

From msnbc.com

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/29/11461385-dueling-in-dearborn-over-murder-of-a-20-year-old-woman

Kari Huus on the Dearborn event

Kari Huus conveniently leaves out much of the actual data and evidence behind this honor killing, as has been captured in this somewhat dated article...

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/05/rahim_alfetlawi_shoots_stepdaughter_jessica_mokdad_for_not_obeying_islam.php

If the parent's rights are absolute under Sharia then do the "facts" really matter? The only fact of interest is that of parent child relationship. If a parent can kill their child (or even step child) then any lesser affront to their rights, such as sexual abuse, must likewise be unpunishable under Sharia.

Do men have the "freedom" to be violent dictators in their own homes? They want to have the same freedom from prying eyes as the consenting adult gay couple in a bedroom at issue in Lawrence v. Texas.

The proponents of such freedom talk about something else entirely -- like two ships passing in the night. The diversionary alternative is as effective as saying a dog ate my homework.

I like the name too -- because it makes for very precise search results "jessica mokdad conference"

I can only hope that there is a one year anniversary event. This way the imams (and thugs) can fret about it for a whole year. The issue remains -- the rights of little girls relative to that of violent men and their violent Islamic support network.

I was there tonight guys. It was incredible. The flow of the information, the diversity of the speakers and yet the common goal of coming together to do what is right and what is good held the crowd mesmerized. Freedom fighters from many places, mostly Michigan and Canada, absolutely filled that room. I heard through the grapevine that several people were arrested outside the hotel. I went outside about 45 mins before the conference started to see if there were any protesters but I didn't see any at that time. Security was tight and the security personnel were extremely uptight and alert so who knows what else was going on.

Pamela taped the whole thing so you should be able to see it shortly. It was worth catching a plane to get out and be there.

“Since we can't know in advance which way it will go, we can already say it was a risky choice of venue.”

A similar sentiment lives in the mind of every brave warrior who ever embarked to confront evil – yet he goes nonetheless.

I have made my donation for extra security; only wish it could be more.

Taking the fight to the very heart of the foul nest, what glorious audacity! Wish I could be there to stand with you bravehearts, Godspeed!

DEUS VULT!

Copt wrongly convicted of ‘blasphemy,’ inciting sectarian strife, lawyer says.

A judge in Upper Egypt has upheld a six-year prison sentence for a Coptic Christian wrongly convicted of “blasphemy” against Islam and inciting sectarian strife, his lawyer said.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/04/30/christians-six-year-sentence-upheld-in-egypt/#ixzz1tVmiaNx1

Youssef

Iran on Monday slammed a U.S. pastor’s burning of a Quran, calling it provocative and demanding U.S. authorities take action to prevent any recurrence.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/04/30/iran-condemns-u-s-pastors-burning-of-quran-as-provocative-and-insulting/#ixzz1tVyYM4u2

Youssef

Middle Eastern Muslim drug dealers in Sydney shooting each other in the thigh to claim compensation & get out of their drug debts, the Labor party won't touch it because it counts on the Middle Eastern vote. Seems Labor parties all around the world are the same.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/crooks-play-the-victim-for-cash--its-a-crime-20120429-1xspx.html

Today in England, we're bending over to accept the barbarity of honor murder and the assault of islam right up our bottoms. We British love to be insulted and assaulted by our islamic brothers and sisters. Soon, they will control much more of our political process and we will much prefer being publicly flogged, raped and stoned to death rather than giving offence to Muslims. Its true that a number of Britons whine and wank on the web, but they never do anything and have no intention of taking any action at all. The British are finished. I plan to join islam long before the actual political takeover to ensure that I get a front seat in the town square so I can enjoy the floggings and join in happily with the stonings before going home to make love to my 10 year old Muslim wife.

GOODBYE ENGLAND !

PS I do wonder why it is that there are proportionately so many more Americans actually doing something to regain freedom and resist the invader than there are Britons. I don't really count the EDL street demo guys as much because they don't really have much effect and are easily blanketed by the media. Essentially, the British do absolutely nothing.

Hi guys,

Thank you Miss Cate! It is always great to see Pamela and Robert; they always make you feel like a rock star when you show up to any party they are throwing. That room was electric last night and I could feel that a turning point had been made. For so long I have kept going but wondered what it was going to take to change the fight to our advantage. Last night I felt a cohesive spiritual unity in that room, one that is becoming impenetrable. There were freedom fighters who "get it" there and we are not going to be afraid anymore. Our cause is just and however and the resistance is growing and adding members.

Case in point, I traveled out to MI with my good friend and super brave buddy Jim Lafferty. At the car rental place the lady who waited on us was from India and she was a little spitfire. She told us that even though she works tow jobs, everyday, she kisses the ground and thanks God every day that she lives in America. She said she doesn't understand why people come here and don't appreciate it. She said she lived near Pakistan and that every once in a while the Muslims would throw a bomb over the border, just for fun. She said her dad used to sit on the roof of their house with a gun and tell people to come and get him but he wasn't giving into their crap. (I loved it!) She said she has been through hell and back but she is grateful to be living here in America. She had such a light in her eyes and was at peace with herself. I told her why we were here and she got very excited. I invited her to come to the event but she said she would be working so I gave her Pamela's and Robert's websites, which she eagerly wrote down, and she said she will get her son to help her find these and check them out. Jim was teasing me later when we were driving because I talked to her for quite a while but that is how you get people to hear us and add new patriots, even if it is one person at a time. She is fired up and I have no doubt will do something rather than sit around and watch CSI. She's that type of girl.

Duh Swami, thank you for your kind words but you don't want to see this girl in the morning. My hours are so funky and business is booming so I have a lot on my mind and even when I can sleep, I sake up and work. So I regularly look like I got hit by a truck! I'm also taking care of my mom so there is not a lot of time left over. That's why you guys haven't seen me on here for a while. But the fight goes on and I've got to be there when I can.

It's so sad to me that in this beautiful state that I've just discovered (lovely Michigan) there is a seedy underbelly of murderers, extortionists, liars, thieves, sexual deviants and seditionists who suck at the public teat and intimidate law enforcement so that the rest of us aren't safe, all in the name of Islam. And then those same furry bastards whine like little girls and put all the focus on what a psycho Pamela is? Pardon my French but eff that shit! That is where we need to start guys, taking the narrative back. It is very clever how the Islamic liars cover their tracks by putting all the focus on the bad things we are doing. The point needs top be driven home over and over, if we are the bad guys, why don't the Muslims denounce honor killings? I really think Pamela and Robert are onto something with that one, that it could be exploited to the hilt because whatever America's sins of the past have been, WE LOVE OUR GIRLS here and the average America, if they really understood the ramifications, would get off their butts and defend their families if their girls were being threatened. And with every fresh attempt to prevent Sharia from being dismantled in our courts, our girls are severely threatened.

I have always had hope but last night I had great hope that what Pamela and Robert are doing is actually starting to chip away at the seemingly impenetrable wall of Islamic obfuscation and lies that America is drowning in now. Remember when were kids and were told constantly by Russia that they were superior to us and that we would fall? I remember being nervous about that lie. But we didn't back down to them. And then the 1980 US Olympic Hockey Team beat them, and Reagan outspent them, and the Berlin Wall came down. I believe in miracles and I've seen too many of them throughout history to not believe that we can turn this tied, no matter how many traitors run our country and the DOJ right now. Once a man (or woman) decides to make the stand, the planets align and the spiritual realm is changed. I believe that last night in Dearborn, that happened.

Wellington, I don't have as much time to look at the commments on JW as I used to, but I must say - every time I do, I find one of your gems.

To me, they are Wellington Wisdoms.

I'm glad you were a teacher, and I hope and pray there's a generation (or two) of American kids with their heads screwed on straight due to you.

I could not help but be saddened by the poster of the Muslim lady in a hijab, tears rolling down her eyes and pleading for help. I applaud your compassion and concern for the suffering of Muslim women. Tell me Robert and fellow viewer does your compassion and concern extend to Muslim women that are rapped, tortured, humiliated and killed by sociopathic, cowardly, vile and evil American terrorist soldiers operating on behalf of an equally deplorable supremacist, messionic, oil thieving, mass murdering, hypocritical state? Are you as concerned and saddened by the 100000s of innocent civilians killed by the USA in Iraq and Afghanistan, or for that matter any of the other dozen + countries where directly or through proxy the USA has dipped its dirty blood ridden hands? There's always an evil, American hating, freedom threatening bad guy that the US is pointing its finger at, well I ask 1) If that is true then why? 2) Has it ever occurred to you politically and media brainwashed sheep that the real threat, the real evil that does kill and massacre to get its wicked way is the USA?

Or do you not care about the lives of others when its the USA that is massacring, maiming and raping them?

"We were trigger happy. We'd open up on anything. They even didn't have to be armed. We were keeping scores," (Jose Barco) Jailed for continuing his killing spree once he returned to the US. The side effect of desensitizing young scum to killing and making them hate another people, when they get back they don't know who to hate yet still itching to kill.

AMERICAN MILITARY TREATMENT OF AMERICAN FEMALE SERVICEWOMEN http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military if this is how the US treats its own service women, then imagine what they must do to the Iraqi and Afghan women that cannot speak out, that are not seen, especially the ones in the highlands or isolated towns in Afghanistan.

Abu Ghrain rape pictures of women censored by Obama
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5395830/Abu-Ghraib-abuse-photos-show-rape.html

Rape and Murder of 14 year old and massacre of her family. Jailed yes, BUT this is just the tip of the iceberg and many many many more have gotten away with rape and murder especially in the isolated parts of Iraq and Afghanistan where the scum know they free from prying eyes.

All the stuff leaked on Wikileaks, murder and war crimes evidence revealed yet the US is more concerned with the fact they got released and shown to the public.

Years of drone attacks in Pakistan and Yemen, 1000s killed 95% civilians.

75% of Iraqis murdered in Iraq murdered by US fascist, supremacists scum.
Around 45 military bases throughout the world, who is thats trying to rule world exactly?

Thats just a small tip of a huge iceberg that makes the US the most hypocritical, evil, and vile superpower the world has ever seen

Hey Facebook user, any names of these supposed American terrorist soldiers who've done all that raping?

Wishful thinking doesn't count, sweetie. Nice try.

Here's a question for you Mamode, as a self described Muslim and Islamist according to your Facebook page here:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003002511544,

are you willing to stand up and denounce honor killings among your women at the hands of your men, or were the above posts merely presented as a way to change the subject and take the onus off of what Muslims believe is an acceptable practice according to their religious texts and what they perpetrate against their women as a way of life in Muslim majority countries? It must be awful for you guys to get into a situation where you can't control yourself, force yourself upon an innocent Muslim woman and then feel the need to get rid of the evidence by throwing her under the bus? Don't you feel guilty at all that your indiscretion, insecurity and cowardice leads to the death of another human being? Is your complaint against all those supposed American terrorist soldiers who do all that raping that they hurt your women? Or is it that they are horning in on your business, business as usual?

@Isabellathecrusader, interesting name, so you must be a self confessed Christianist. I deplore all honour killings. But just wondered why Robert and his followers only have compassion for this subject. So how is that changing the subject? All I asked was does your compassion also extend to Muslim women who are victims of US scum? More women have been killed by US action than have been killed by so called honour killings.

Also, I do not recall any stories of honour killings during the time of the prophet. Yes adultery for both men and women (u guys usually ignore the men bit, talk about sexism) is punishable by death. As it was in the west. But in Islam it requires 4 witnesses which essentially, unless if they were stupid enough to do it in an open market, makes convictions almost impossible. Funny how this part is always distorted to suggest it applies to rape, when in reality in Islam the punishment for rapist is execution and the victims word is often enough. As highlighted in several hadiths rapist executed and victim note punished for being raped. Its cunning ,however, of deceitful people like Robert to twist the 1 of 2 situations where a rape victim has been punished for the crime of initially being alone with a strange and then Robert and his ilk will twist it to say that ohh the victim was punished for being raped, while conveniently forgetting to mention that the strange man, who was also raped, was also punished for being alone with the woman and also forgetting to mention that the gang or rapists were sent to prison for a very long time.

@Wellington if that was the case, then why have men been executed for rape and murder? Even if as you say, TODAY, women making rape charges have to present 4 witnesses, then that is not anything to do with Islam because the laws of Islam were set 1400 years ago and anything different is from peoples own misgiving. But the reality is that even today woman are NOT being flogged for being raped or been forced to present 4 witnesses to get a conviction. If that was the case no woman would report being raped. Yes, in extremely rare cases the victim (female or male, funny how the male bit is always ignored) can be flogged for being alone with someone of the opposite sex that they were not legally allowed to be with. But if someone becomes a victim of a crime will speeding will they not be punished for speeding and if so does it mean they were punished for being the victim of a crime?

Hi Wellington! Good to see your posts here.

Mamode, being a Saudi Muslim you know what gets a Muslim woman stoned to death, lashed or imprisoned under Islam. I'm sure you also know that Pakistan, an Islamic country, hosts an amazing 75% of woman in Pakistani prisons who are there because they reported their rape to the authorities. Those would be Muslim authorities. If Islam is so compassionate and the men involved in it are so wonderful, you'd think they would stand up for their women instead of killing them for looking at a man, wearing make up, not wearing a trash bag, etc. You guys and your texts that you stand behind are the problem, not Robert, Pamela or that imaginary army of American Terrorist soldiers.

BTW, I see on your profile page that you say you are married and you also say you are interested in women. I'll bet your wife is thrilled about that.

As to the men who are executed for adultery we do occasionally read a story about one of those poor fellows in an online article, a newspaper or a news blog but they are few and far between and can't compete with the incredible amount of women who undergo that terror in the name of "justice". Isn't it really true Mamode that in order to keep the Islamic system of sex as a reward, sex as a weapon and sex as a military strategy, Muslims men must oppress and keep their women in line or the whole thing would fall apart. Why is it that Muslim men have such a problem with getting a woman and keeping her in the normal way, through mutual respect, love and an equally agreed upon marriage, instead choose the route of force, coercion, intimidation and destroying her self esteem. What is it that you guys are so afraid of if you let your women think for themselves and make their own choices?

Masochistic men are found in all countries amongst all races and religions. How can you make such a vague statement when you probably don't even know any Muslim couples or what goes on in their lives.

a man came to 'Umar ibn Al-Khattab (radhiAllahu anhu) to complain about his wife's ill-temper. While he was waiting for 'Umar to come out of his house, he heard 'Umar's wife scolding him and 'Umar quietly listening to her, and not answering her back.

The man turned around and started walking away, muttering to h...imself: "If that is the case with 'Umar, the leader of the believers, who is famous for his uprighteness and toughness, then what about poor me?!"

At that moment, 'Umar came out of his house and saw the man walking away. He called him and said, "What is it you want of me, O man?"

The man replied: "O leader of the believers, I came to complain to you about my wife's bad-temper and how she nags me. Then I heard your wife doing the same to you, so I turned around, muttering to myself, 'If that is the situation of the leader of the believers, then what about me?'"

'Umar replied, "O my brother, I bear with her because of her rights over me. She cooks my food, bakes my bread, washes my clothes, breast-feeds my child...and yet none of these are her duty;* and then she is a comfort to my heart and keeps me away from forbidden deeds. Consequently, I bear with her."

The man said, "It is the same with me, O leader of the believers." 'Umar said: "Then, O my brother, be patient with her, indeed this life is short.

(Adh-Dhahabi, Al-Kabâ'ir 194)

Sorry to burst your bubble Mamode but I used to date a Muslim man who threatened to kill me because I clapped for a man at a nightclub who did a very entertaining form of ballroom dancing right in front of us when there was a wedding party taking place. I didn't wait around to see if he would go through with it.

And then there was the young Muslim guy who told me he and his sisters worked for human rights in Pakistan (in reality, he worked for Re/Max in Northern Virginia.) When I asked him if he was a moderate Muslim then, he stared at me with that same cold blooded killer look in his eyes as the other guy. I replied, "I guess not then."

Then there's the lying. I met a Muslim guy who represented himself as a Christian and when I agreed to go to a lecture with him and to grab a bite afterwards he spent the entire dinner try to get me into bed. Not very honest. Not at all romantic. I had to be careful how I got out of there too because he had positioned us way in the back of a Pakistani restaurant with only guys eating there and far away from the front door. I was able to kind of guilt him into leaving and once out of there I kicked him to the curb.

You silly goose, we see your group's crippling insecurities as Muslim men, your cowardice and your abject selfishness when it comes to your women. I mean, seriously, what a bunch of assholes, making your women walk around in what amounts to back bedsheets on a 90 degree summer day while you men walk around in shorts and short sleeve shirts or wife beaters, (how appropriate.) Does she have to be confined to the sheet because she's so beautiful and you don't want anyone to see her beauty. What a bunch of B.S. No, it's your men's insecurities that keep women in uncomfortable situations because you're afraid she will dishonor you. Really, if you feel dishonored by something a female family member does, why don't you kill yourself instead of killing your wife/mother/sister/daughter. Oh, I remember now, because Islam is Mo's Worship-the-Penis Club. There is no room for any clitoris in Islam.

Wellington my friend, you definitely have that correct, that there is no romantic love in Islam. Look at Mamode's Facebook page above and you can clearly see that he states he is Muslim, an Islamist, is married and he is interested in women. I don't know about your wife (although I can imagine if she's married to you) but I don't know too many women in our western hemisphere (who aren't Muslimas) that would put up with that kind of nonsense. How can you have romantic love between a man and a woman if the man is participating in temporary marriage or dreaming of wives # 2, 3 and 4? Perhaps Muslim men can't cut it as romantic lovers so they don't even try, preferring to imitate cave men and hitting their women over the head, dragging them back to their caves and having sex with them, whether they women want to or not. In the Catholic religion there is something known as chastity in marriage and a priest explained to me one time that there are times when spouses need to be considerate of each other and not expect sex even if they want it. These would include right after a woman has a baby and is healing from it or if one of the me was ill or if one of them had to go away for a few weeks for business. That is a loving and charitable way to behave but we see none of that under Islam. Women must be available for sex whenever the husband wants it, according to Mohammad a woman is his husbands field (tilth) and he may plow her whenever he wishes (even within six hours after she is dead and her spirit has left her body, according to Islamic scholars in Egypt,) and some garbage about the angels cursing her until morning if she refuses to have sex with him. (Oh my gosh, some man made that one up.) I have a feeling Mamode has no problems with this, no matter how many pre-abrigated Qu'ranic verses he tries to ply us with. Surah 4:34, Mamode. Surah 4:34.

@isabellathecrusader, you have obviously had some bad experiences and this has effected your confidence. The traits you described are not unique to Muslims, what's the rape rate in the USA? Also, I might, ad a practicing and committed Muslim would not be dating or trying to get a girl into bed. So if a guy tries or does whatever to you it does not have anything to do with his religion.

You keep going on about my FB page and the fact that I have interested in women. Well most people be they married or in a relationship still have the other gender as their interested in. If I had looking "dating" etc then you would have a point. But the very fact you go on about that tells me that your experiences with guys have left you insecure and in a relationship you are probably very suspicious and insecure, assuming any guy can get through the barrier which you put up against guys trying to court you. So don't let your past experiences stop you from finding love or ruining any relationship you might be in. Other than your misconceptions about Islam you seem like a sweet lady and you should know that more often than not it takes many attempts before you find the right guy. But if your keep a barrier then you will never find him, or if you never trust you will push him away. Isa I really do hope you find happiness with the opposite sex. Once again please do not blame your Islam for the negative things you have experienced from stupid guys, just remember a practicing Muslim would not be dating a girl in the first place. Remember Isa be confident in yourself and you will find that predatory guys will avoid you and the right guys will be drawn to you.

Mamode, you're changing the subject honey. I'm not going to let you get away with that. Of course there are masochists in all the countries of the world because there are human beings in all countries of the world, but Christians go against their religion when they act that way; Muslims do not. You conveniently ignored the instances above that you know occur in your own country of abuse of women, institutionalized abuse. I'm sure you also know about the roaming gangs of young Muslim male rapists that have moved to western countries like Australia, Sweden and the UK who have kidnapped, raped and humiliated western girls because they think they have a right too? You remember, Muslim men may have sex with any female captives their right hand possesses. That would pretty much cover the above, according to what is allowed and what is not allowed. Where else on the planet do you find groups of men who roam and rape and believe they are immune to the consequences? The U.S.? Not. Canada? Not. Japan? No. Chechnya...well, yeah. Oops! That's a Muslim country.

From your picture you look like a soft spoken guy with the ability to have some compassion but as expected, there was no answer on why it's okay for men to walk around in comfortable clothing in the summertime while their wives are imprisoned in black cloth from head to toe having trouble breathing, seeing and definitely, keeping cool. Very, very selfish on the Muslim males' part.

BTW, do you think it's okay for women to have to dress that way while you may dress freely? The jury is still out on whether you are in denial or merely lying but I'm leaning towards lying because if you self identify as a Muslim, go to the mosque, graduated from the university in Saudi and have read the Qu'ran and promote it, there's no way you cannot know what we're talking about here. If you are lying there is no point in going on because we can match you point for point. I haven't studied this crap for almost a decade now for nothing.

The why do so many Muslim women advocate Islam? Why in Muslim countries where secular governments or dictators have banned the hijab etc have women been the most ardent protesters? You seem to feel that women are oppressed and chained by Islam yet most feel free by being Muslim. Yes, parts of Pakistan, Afghanistan and many other Muslim countries the culture has become oppressive towards women, yet these women will be the first to say that this is not Islam. You use the one or two that turn against Islam to justify your view but ignore the 1000000s of women that staunchly believe and support Islam.

http://www.qatar.ucalgary.ca/news/Feb2010/Salute_Researchers oppressed Niqabis and Hijabis

More oppressed Hijabis http://freyah.do.am/doha3.jpg

What about the west where girls and women are bombarded on what it takes to be the 'perfect' woman? Where media and celebs show a world where the only thing a woman has is to show her body for the world to see, where women are put on TV apparently singing but in reality selling their asset which is their body and making impressionable women believe that is the only asset they have. Why do most girls admire and wanna be like Rihanna? So don't feel the west is free from oppressing women, when in reality women and sex are used to sell most things.

Wellington, it is really sad. (By the way, I knew you'd have a cool wife.) I feel sorry for Mamode because he doesn't know what he is dealing with. As to going on and on about him having women as his main interest on his Facebook page, her doesn't even know he doesn't know. If he really, truly loved and respected his wife he would put his rights to act like a selfish Muslim man under her right as a God created woman to be treated with dignity and loved and cherished, not treated like the back forty. It is tragic that as Islam comes more and more into the consciousness of western minds (with revulsion, albeit,) we are seeing more and more misogyny and bad behavior in the name of Islam. I see some misogynists amongst western men but they are the exception, not the rule. Mamode can pretend that my experiences are isolated all he likes but the the stories that keep coming out, like ping pong balls under water, prove him otherwise. As long as you and I have been on this site there has been story after story after story, ad nauseum, of the crappy way Muslims treat their women. From his own home country where a man may divorce his wife by repeating "I divorce you" in a text message three times to cutting off a sorcerer's head (as we saw in the past, what, month in Saudi?) to raping non-Muslim maids to not letting women drive to still stoning human beings, mostly women, to death. The breast feeding fatwas, as well as the farewell intercourse one are just gross but Mamode really can't deny them because they made international headlines. But I guess he could blame the whole thing on me having a problem with men, if I only had one.

Do you think I have a problem with you, dear Wellington? Naw, I didn't think so. ; )

Women advocate Islam so they won't get the crap beat out of them. C'mon, that was an easy one. We know that Muslim women are threatened. Why do you think Jessica was slaughtered? To send a message to all the other Muslim girls out there who like the idea of being free that if they try it, they will die just the same way as Jessica. A pretty powerful motivator, don't you think? It is the same reason, I suspect, that you are probably a nice guy but to save your skin in the Islamic system you live under you will conform to avoid yourself being singled out, ostracized or eventually slaughtered.

As to western women being oppressed by being "bombarded on what it takes to be the 'perfect' woman", that may be true but unlike under the Sharia, nobody is killing them if they don't conform. And since it has become so obvious that Muslim men are the ones with the insecurity problems it doesn't seem logical that if their shame is so crippling they would kill a girl who embarrassed them rather than themselves. That is unless they are completely selfish and uncivilized and don't care how their behavior affects everybody else.

Okay, let's try this one more time. As a Muslim male, do you think it is okay to walk around in comfortable clothes in the summer while your wife suffers under a black tent to protect your sensitive Muslim male sensibilities and insecurities? If you don't answer me this time we will all assume here that you think it's just fine and dandy, which will move you into the category of confirmed hypocrite.

Hi Davey,

I had to run up to my office in between posts and I posted my last comment before I got back in the car and drove home. And as I was driving I was thinking about what I saw on Mamode's Facebook page, that he calls himself an Islamist. When I click on that word this is what pops up for a definition, on the Islamist Facebook page:

Islamism also , lit., "Political Islam" is a set of ideologies holding that Islam is "as much a political ideology as a religion". Islamism is a controversial term, and definitions of it sometimes vary (see below). Leading Islamist thinkers emphasized the enforcement of Sharia (Islamic law); of pan-Islamic political unity; and of the elimination of non-Muslim, particularly Western military, economic, political, social, or cultural influences in the Muslim world, which they believe to be incompatible with Islam.

Some observers suggest Islamism's tenets are less strict, and can be defined as a form of identity politics or "support for identity, authenticity, broader regionalism, revivalism, revitalization of the community". Following the Arab Spring at least one source has described Islamism as "increasingly interdependent" with democracy in much of the Arab Muslim world, such that "neither can now survive without the other."

Many of those described as "Islamists" oppose the use of the term, and claim that their political beliefs and goals are simply an expression of Islamic religious belief. Similarly, some experts favor the term activist Islam, militant Islam, or political Islam instead.

Central figures of modern Islamism include Sayyid Qutb, Hasan al-Banna, Abul Ala Maududi, Taqiuddin al-Nabhani, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, and Navvab Safavi.

So you are right. He's not a nice guy, which I suspected but wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt until I had gathered more information. Like you said, he's a snake, just like those other snaky guys who he says "weren't following Islam". I guess this Egyptian guy who I talked to at a business networking meeting about nine years ago who was in the import/export business wasn't a Muslim either. This guy told me about his wife and how he liked to travel and that he was going to Las Vegas in a week for a conference. I said to him, "Oh, have you ever been there before? It's pretty fun. You'll like it," to which he answered, "Want to come with me?" I just stood there and looked at him. Then I said, "Didn't you just tell me you're married?" To which he sheepishly replied yes. When I asked him if his wife wouldn't like to go along with him he said, naw, she doesn't like to travel." Fucking liar.

Well, Mamode, you are a big disappointment, babe. By labeling yourself an Islamist and then putting the definition of that word in a link to your Facebook page you have inadvertently admitted to liking and promoting Sharia law. And Sharia law is the reason Jessica Mokdad is dead. And you don't have any problem with that, do you.

Thanks Davey for your kind words. It helps my "lack of confidence" from dealing with Muslim guys. I'm not sure what Mamode means though. I am confident that any Muslim guy who believes in and promotes Sharia is a liar, a thief, a potential murderer and a total skeezeball. And I am confident that my critical thinking skills can run circles around their bullshit, every single time. So much for my lack of confidence. See ya! ; )

Good morning Jan,

He had me going there for a minute, only because my natural default is to come from a place where humans are valuable. But his isn't. I know that as a God created human being, Mamode is valuable. But he also chooses to embrace evil and use it to get what he wants. Every Islamist does. So no matter how cute his picture is or how eloquent he speaks, because he chooses evil over humanity he is the enemy. I can pray for his soul, which I am, but he can never be let into our confidence. He IS Jessica Mokdad's stepfather, as are all the other Islamists on the planet.

Mamode could have simply lied like he did in his first post and he would have made things confusing, but because he wouldn't answer that simple question, do you think it's okay to make women dress in trash bags while you wear shorts and short sleeves, he showed his hand. Such a simple question. Such an inadvertently deadly answer.

Have a great, Islamic-free day today! ; )

@Isabellathecrusader, I will answer your question but first:

1)
YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY INTIAL QUESTION: So does your compassion and concern for Muslim women that are victims of 'honour killing' and your repulsion for their murderers extend to Muslim women that victims of rape, torture,murder and detention without trial by US soldiers?

2)
You use words like 'babe', 'cute' etc about me, but at the same time you was complaining that me being married and having "interested in women" showed a lack of respect and consideration for my wife's feelings, while it's claimed that you yourself are married? Well here is my take its either one or more of the following 1) Your trying to soften me up and probably hoping/trying to see if I try to initiate some kind of amorous courting/sexual contact with you, so then you can post it here and say see their all the same. 2) Your not married and that was just was just Wellington's way of trying to prove me wrong, OR, exclusive of those, thats just your character and it has no hidden agenda. But talking that way to guys you don't know will, 90% of the time attract the wrong type of guys, just like the ones you described before, because they will view you as easy. When using sweet and kinda like affectionate words you should always know the recipient. Potential problems when directed to the wrong guys 1) As already mentioned 2) If directed to guy friends some might get the wrong idea and that can cause complications etc.

3)
YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED: The majority of Muslim women throughout the world are not forced to wear the black abaya. Yet many choose too. Also in the Gulf states, many choose to wear white and there is no specific requirements for what colour a lady can wear, but black is the cultural norm. Outside of the Gulf you will find that most practicing Muslim women wear pretty much whatever colour they choose. Also, your mistaken, men tend not to wear shorts in Gulf or most other Muslim countries. Also, the materials used by woman in the Gulf can be very light and underneath their is not restriction on what they wear, i.e they can wear nothing!
http://hughpope.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/your-son-is-in-good-hands.jpg Turkey
http://free-photo.gatag.net/en/2010/10/01/090000.html Malaysia
http://hijabislam.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/morocco-hijab-styles.html Morocco
http://www.islamicity.com/global/images/photo/Other/women_police_hijab__608x484.JPG Pakistan Hijab, lol, very oppressed. Which is why they are walking around with assault riffles maintaining law and order amongst men and women. Also, how many armed officers are in swat teams?

4)
You read about what an Islamist is, yet failed to realise that there are various types. Its nothing more than a political identity. What I believe is that the 50+ Muslim countries should become united. With each of the 50+ states maintaining a level of autonomy and its own amir (leader) that deals with the local affairs of his state, ultimately the states share one military and financial system they are united by one elected leader to whom the Amirs report to, kinda like the president and his governors, the overall leader is held to account by the Shura, that is essentially a court. The overall leader deals with international and national affairs etc. That is the ideal way Muslims are supposed to be governed and the way in which they have been governed for most of Islam's history. And this is the system the USA has imitated and yet does all it can to prevent Muslims from reestablishing

I won't reply to the various people that came on today with nothing but petulant insults.

Lol, you guys are funny and in denial. You say Muslim women are oppressed and when its pointed out that 100s of million women choose Islam, choose to wear the Hijab/Niqab etc then you say well their suffering from stockholm syndrome. Lol, prove your theory, get a psychologist to interview a significant sample of hijab/niqab wearing Islam advocating Muslims women.

First of all Mamode, I call all young people sweetie, honey, babe or even cutie. You are in the same age range as my children so I think it is perfectly acceptable to call you any of those names which are normally an endearment. If you don't like it, tough. As for desiring a sexual relationship with you, dream on. I don't go for that cougar stuff; I think it's gross and I find the women who engage in those types of relationships at best, mislead and at worst, pathetic. Please don't let your feverish imagination include me in that group.

As to what men wear in the Gulf, I'm talking about what they wear in America on a hot summer day while their wives are sweating profusely under that crap or with the hijab and a long sleeved winter coat so as to cover her arms. Apparently Muslim women in America prefer to wear long pants with a car coat and closed toe shoes on a 90 degree day while their husbands walk around in Bermudas and a tank top. I've seen it around her, A LOT, and I think you are lying. BTW, you didn't answer the question. I asked you if you thought it was acceptable for you to walk around in cool clothing while your wife walks around in her trash bag. Still haven't heard your answer.

As to Islamist, there are no degrees when it comes to desiring the establishment of the Sharia. You either do or you don't. From your post above it is clear, even though you didn't mean it to be, that you are all for it. That makes you my enemy Mamode, and I will do anything and everything, fair or unfair, to trip you up and prevent you from establishing it in my country. The more we get people to see that Islam and Sharia are two peas in a pod and you can't have one without the other (because there is always some Muslim pining away from some Islamic hellhole to have the world be entirely under the control of a Caliphate. The True God forbid.)

As to our established system and your dreamed of system, sell it to the Russians. No two systems could be more diametrically opposed to each other, except perhaps for those monarchies that understood the menace of Islam and kicked you guys to the curb...I'm thinking Don Juan of Austria, Ferdinand and Isabella of Castile and Aragon, Jan Sobieski and Charles Martel. And don't forget my favorite jihad ass kicker, Jean Parisot de la Valette, Grand Master of the Knights of St. John who sent Suliman forces packing after he tired to take over Malta. That blood runs very deep. Don't underestimate it.

And lastly, to answer your question with the made up propaganda, I have great empathy for any woman who is raped by any man, be it an isolated incident like an American soldier who goes against his faith and his humanity to do that or the Muslim man who embraces his faith and demands his Allah given rights to do so. BTW, you still haven't given me the names of those perpetrators of the supposed deaths of, what, hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi and Afghani citizens that our soldiers have killed? Now Mamode, why would they do that while simultaneously rebuilding those countries infrastructures using my tax money. Wouldn't it be a little lame to spend billions of dollars helping Muslims out and then kill them? As to all that oil we've gotten as a result of the billions, maybe trillions we've pumped into those sorry countries, please send it over, immediately. Since your boy got into office my gas bill has doubled so if we have, as you say, been oil thieving please produce evidence of the receipt of that oil. The $4 a gallon I spent when I filled my gas tank up today leads me to believe otherwise. And while you're at it, please provide evidence of the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi and Afghani citizens that our soldiers have killed. Please remember though that the seasoned Jihad Watchers around here are adept at spotting Taqqiyah and Kitman so proceed with caution. As to those of you who are new here or haven't learned about the Islamic virtue of lying to confuse the enemy and promote the spread of Islam, here is an explanation about it by Daniel Pipes. http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/25320. It is important to have a good grasp on what they are to understand what Mamode is up to here.

I didn't finish my sentence above:

The more we get people to see that Islam and Sharia are two peas in a pod and you can't have one without the other (because there is always some Muslim pining away from some Islamic hellhole to have the world be entirely under the control of a Caliphate. The True God forbid,) the more you will not be able to lie and mesmerize the masses. Sharia is a shitty business and unlike those third world countries where you guys are demanding people convert to Islam, or else, the girls in America (as well as the guys) are training themselves to use guns and to become very good shots. So you'll want to be more careful as you keep pushing your Sharia compliant financing, parallel legal system and incessant whining about not being able to wear the hijab with the uniform at Disneyland, Abercrombie and Old Country Buffet. We can take a lot here but eventually, if you keep it up, you're liable to lose a ball (or two.)

Wellington,

There is a lot of speculation in your post, as there is in mine and Isabellathecrusader's. Since we cannot move beyond speculation to certitude concerning hundreds of millions of diverse people who hail from all over the globe in very varied regions and cultures (including, increasingly, immigrating into our Western world), it's better to err on the side of suspicion and caution as we look ahead to the decades before us and think of ways to defend our societies from the horrific dangers which too many Muslims pullulating out of that motile, churning, massively suspect mass (still waiting for (but, of course, no longer expecting) a mass demonstration of hundreds of thousands of Muslims decrying -- without their usual sly loopholes -- the rampant deadly ugliness of Islamic behaviors around the world) threaten us with, in times and places we will not always be able to predict and interdict, resulting in carnage and destruction as bad as 911 if not worse, and likely to be multiple attacks in different locations, not merely one.

Any speculation about Muslim psychology and sociology that tends to lead us to develop policies that would handicap our #1 priority -- defending our societies from Muslims -- should be discouraged; while any speculation about Muslim psychology and sociology that tends to lead us to strengthen that primary priority of ours should be encouraged.

It's really that simple. I don't know why this essential crux keeps sliding and eliding all over the place among so many people in the anti-Islam movement, as their needlessly complicated mental strabismus seems to prevent them from keeping their eye on the ball.

http://www.kahopakistan.com/pic/images/58247669765171135476.jpg obviously giving the oppressed guns and authority is a form of oppression.

http://www.arabianoilandgas.com/pictures/gallery/Stock/shell-qatar-students.gif Muslim women deprived of education and the chance to make something of their lives

http://muslimmedianetwork.com/mmn/windows-live-pictures/LifeWithoutIjtihad_9F7D/saudiwomanpilot.jpg Female pilot

The list goes on. You guys judge an extreme minority of events, and they are an extreme minority cos if not they wouldn't be making headlines, and you use that to claim that all or a high % of Muslim women are oppressed? Go to Qatar, UAE, Oman, see women driving nice cars, going out with friends and all the while wearing hijabs or niqabs, see Muslim women graduating and see that in many Muslim countries women outnumber guys in higher education institution. See Muslim women working in professional jobs, see Muslim women not being influenced by the be skinny, show your body, get shagged every by a different guy, get drunk silly till you lose your senses, your only asset is your body etc attitude. See Muslim women using their intelligence, personality and character to pass their courses, get good jobs, raise good kids and all the rest of what life is really about. The go to many western countries and see hidden oppression. Young girls being bullied cos their still virgins, women feeling depressed because they think their looks and bodies are not up to scratch, women that do work being encouraged to be flirty and show a bit of flesh to get sales, get those business contracts etc. Compare a western female television presenter to one from a Muslim country, see girls dreaming of being Rihanna as opposed to a brain surgeon, see a rape/violent crime/murder rate that is MUCH HIGHER than Muslim countries.

Screw you guys (apart from Isabella and some of the guys that commented recently) i'm going sleep.

Cultural put down of women? You mean like using females and sex to sell music, products and pretty much everything? You mean like the bombardment of stimuli that makes girls/women think that if they don't have a certain look or physique then their ugly and worthless? You mean like the high rate of bulimia and anorexia? Like the high rate of girls and young women that commit suicide, get bullied on FB? FLUSH YOUR OWN TOILET BEFORE STICKING YOUR NOSE IN THE TOILET OF OTHERS!

Islamic Stockholm Syndrome Watch

From a report hot off the Jihad Watch presses, way up near the top:

Kuwait: British diplomat's wife suffers 3rd-degree burns when Muslim throws boiling water on her for dining with Muslim men.

And guess who this "Muslim" was that attacked this woman -- leaving her "with third-degree burns after a pot of boiling water was hurled at her in an suspected Islamist attack"?

One of the "victims" of Islam, a woman:

Dianne Wilton was dining with friends and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family in a restaurant when a woman attacked her table.

As for my use of strabismus, motile and pullulation. Hugh Fitzgerald long ago here remarked upon the felicitously serendipitous advantage of peppering comments with such recondite words; for, with all the millions of people Googling out there (and that global phenomenon is not going to dwindle, but will likely increase in the years and decades ahead), a few who are searching "strabismus", etc., may happen to stumble into a Jihad Watch thread when never before had they thought to read this site; and who knows, something else may catch their eye before they think to leave in their hurry -- if, that is, they do not at the time happen to be in a more expansively leisurely mood to linger anyway.

Perhaps your motives in adopting such an unusual appellation of loquacity are benign; I will take you at your word.

As a general rule, I have found that when a man uses a $100 dollar word when a $10 dollar one will suffice, and with greater clarity, he is usually attempting to purvey a particularly sterling line of bullshit. I am instinctively on guard and a little irritated at this.

I appreciate clarity of thought and erudition, and usually gold plated words and weird, ultra fancy allegories just get in the way of that objective.

Just say what you mean damn it!

Davegreybeard,

A minority of the West fell under the thrall of demagogues -- Hitler and Mussolini. The majority rallied to defeat them. That same majority is now convinced that the same values that defeated Hitler and Mussolini are at stake now, with regard to the problem of Islam. They don't want to see the West get caught up in "bigotry" against a majority of Muslims who they deem as innocents, because of the evils of a "minority of extremists". That's the meme, the paradigm, that we have to undo. It's much more difficult to undo than Nazism or Fascism -- unless you want to bomb the majority of Westerners into waking up.

Thanks Davegreybeard, I guess I can ratchet my verbosity down a peg sometimes!