Death threats from "an Australian man"

I just received these tweets threatening to kill Pamela Geller and me from what the mainstream media would identify, if they ever took notice of death threats to counter-jihadists at all, as "an Australian man." Actually he is a Muslim in Australia who is so unconcerned about the fallout from posting threats to murder that his address and a map to his home are listed on each of his tweets: [address removed -- apparently he spoofed it].

He followed these up with several more threatening to kill David Wood as well, and promising to hang my severed head in the White House (where I expect it would clash with the decor). Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get screenshots of those before he took them down, replacing them with assurances that he obeys Australian law.

Yeah, sure. I do hope the Australian cops will be keeping a careful eye out on the comings and goings at 9 Banksia Place. Then again, that might be "Islamophobic."

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UPDATE: The other two were still on my phone:

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The front lawn is in need of water.

Calling all Australian jihad watchers! Please call the Australian police and ask them to take action. Please call your politicians and demand arrest and prosecution. Let all your fellow Australians know.

Agreed!

What an Islamo-dumb-ass!!

This tweets are of course barbaric and insane to read; but at the same time ya gotta love how stupid mohammedans are for tweeting this evil stuff and giving the FBI a record of their heinous threats and a way to track these crazy criminals.

Hope you enjoy prison life, you moron ...

And by all means continue writing this crap since it serves as evidence against your sorry ass.

His spelling and grammar are AWFUL, but thats the fruit of all that inbreeding i suppose.

I wrote Mustafa to evict his murderous tenant. Has anyone called the police on this guy?

Erm. I live on the other side ....of the planet.

"I wrote Mustafa to evict his murderous tenant."

Oh great, so the landlord of the house is a Muslim too? But of course, no doubt of that other phenotype, the Homo Islamicus Moderatus.

Death threats from "an Australian man"
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Ah, those colorful Aussies—wrestling crocodiles, drinking Foster's, throwing another shrimp on the barbie, making Jihad terrorist death threats—G'Day! sarc/off

Really, this pious Muslim is no more "an Australian man" than any of these other Jihadists who are using the West as a base from which to wage Jihad are actual "Swedes" or "Germans" or "Belgians" or "Canadians".

More:

1,200 of your books were burnt in Australia yesterday by me Cause you a liar, lucky you are miles & miles away.
To much lies
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Well, I see abdulhakim is as illiterate as most Jihadists. And while he is accusing Robert Spencer of 'lying', I have to admit I find his claim of having burnt "1,200" of his books a bit hard to swallow. Since I haven't heard of any book warehouse fires in Australia of late, I have to assume that abdulhakim is a *very* good customer of Spencer's work...

Either that, or this falls into his "that is a dream inshallah" category.

More viciousness:

even that whore Pamela geller that does not know wat Islam means, she needs to be hung or slaughtered cause of her hatred
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It is notable that pious Muslims accuse others of "hatred"—apparently threatening to 'hang or slaughter' someone cannot be considered hatred, though...

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that Russian deserves getting stabbed inshallah your next by my hands, that is a dream inshallah Making fun of Muhammad saw
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Actually, "Did Muhammed Exist" is not "making fun of Muhammad", but simply questioning whether he existed at all. This, however, is too fine a distinction for the "slaves of Allah".

And for all those wondering about the reference to the Russian stabbed above, here is the story:

"'You are Allah's enemy!': Muslim stabs Russian radio host for criticizing Muhammad"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/05/you-are-allahs-enemy-muslim-stabs-russian-radio-host-for-criticizing-muhammad.html

More Muslim savagery in the face of freedom of speech.

"Pamela Geller that does not know wat Islam means, she needs to be hung or slaughtered cause of her hatered"

I have a question, is "Islam" synonymous with "stupid"?

"Slandering the prophet": haram; Threating with assault, battery, aggravated battery, rape, decapitations, homicides, murder... etc = halal.

Islam, a pathological psychopathic ideology.

Even though I greatly condemn any act of aggression, I wouldn't be losing any sleep if those threats turned out to be real. People like Robert need to get a reality check, I'm all for questioning other people's beliefs but YOU SHOULD NEVER CROSS THAT LINE! Ones you cross that line freedom of speech starts turning into hate speech WHICH NEVER ENDS WELL!

MORAL OF THE STORY: JIHAD WATCH IS A HATE SITE!

Just wait until dda gets wind of this, the FBI/police will be the least of this creeps worries ...

It's the same house on agents' websites.

The FBI doesn't operate in Australia genius

The sheer stupidity makes one wonder if Abdul Hakim (a Muslim 'John Smith' if there ever was one) has been drinking.

hehe

"D" is muddying the pool again with irrelevancies. Simply ignore.

Abdul Hakim a.k.a. 'D' on jihadwatch.org

"whore Pamela gella"

no counter-argument(s) ... only primitive personal attack

"People like Robert need to get a reality check, I'm all for questioning other people's beliefs but YOU SHOULD NEVER CROSS THAT LINE!".

Umm, what " line ", did Spencer cross ?

"Ones you cross that line freedom of speech starts turning into hate speech WHICH NEVER ENDS WELL!".

See above.

"The FBI doesn't operate in Australia genius".

Maybe not, but they do share resources and information with their counterparts across the globe, genius.

That's what Champ meant.

Jihad Watch is not a hate site. That said, it does become a hate site when posters like you appear with your hate filled offerings ...

You're against aggression, yet you present aggressive lies. Hmm ...

"D" wrote:

Even though I greatly condemn any act of aggression, I wouldn't be losing any sleep if those threats turned out to be real. People like Robert need to get a reality check, I'm all for questioning other people's beliefs but YOU SHOULD NEVER CROSS THAT LINE! Ones you cross that line freedom of speech starts turning into hate speech WHICH NEVER ENDS WELL!
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'Crossing the line' here refers to *any* criticism of Islam, which is not allowed under Shari'ah. And if Shari'ah is not in effect in Dar-al-Harb, then pious Muslims turn to death threats and worse.

And we see how committed "D" is to condemning "any act of aggression" by his savage coreligionists here...sarc/off

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MORAL OF THE STORY: JIHAD WATCH IS A HATE SITE!
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No—I believe the "moral of the story" is that we find yet another Muslim who condones death threats over Infidels exercising their freedom of speech.

I'm just amazed at Robert Spencer's stupidity, he stirs up his own shit and then starts crying when some geezer gets angry.

You know why people like myself get to enjoy surfing the net in peace, because we don't piss people off online. You don't see me making a Crusader's watch website dedicated on tarnishing the religion itself and those who follow it i.e spreading hatred.

The internet was designed for smart people, not loser like Robert Spencer

"D",

On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, he affirms that those who do not follow him will be "slaughtered":

Abu jahl said to them: "Muhammad alleges that if you follow him you will be kings of the Arabs and the Persians. Then after death you will be raised to gardens like those of the Jordan. But if you do not follow him you will be slaughtered, and when you are raised from the dead you will be burned in the fire of hell." The apostle [Muhammad] came out to them with a handful of dust saying: "I do say that."

@D

An apologizer and legitimizer of death threats, homicide and first degree murder talking about hate. Besides thief, buffoon.

and which line is that?
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Ahaha!!! ...thanks for demonstrating what a genius YOU are; since, yes, the FBI is not limited within the U.S., just as Paul Hoffman pointed out.

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Thank you for clarifying what I meant, Paul ...

"D" wrote:

I'm just amazed at Robert Spencer's stupidity, he stirs up his own shit and then starts crying when some geezer gets angry.

You know why people like myself get to enjoy surfing the net in peace, because we don't piss people off online...
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*Unbelievable*. "D" is a poster who has been excusing all sorts of Muslim savagery since he began commenting here recently, including his reams of verbiage extolling the glories of *slavery* under Islam.

Now, I imagine that reading his ejaculations on these atrocities "pissed off" any number of decent Infidels, but we are far too civilized to act like homicidal Muslims in response.

Robert Spencer received the threat within the United States, so of course the FBI would get involved, Dense.

Yep! Religion of peace.

"On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, he affirms that those who do not follow him will be "slaughtered":"

lol you site Abu Jahl, a man who supported the burial of female infants, tortured slaves and slaughtered thousands of Muslim women and children. If that's the best you can do then I believe it's time for you TO GET THE FUCK OUT!

Instead of wasting your time chasing a ghost Spencer, I suggest debating ME instead. Unless your afraid to lose BITCH!

"The FBI doesn't operate in Australia genius"

Oh yes it does. The FBI has legal attaches at the U.S. Embassy, and they work closely with the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO).

Looks like Champ is more of a genus that you.

I do believe that twitter rules may have been violated there ... hoping his account is terminated.

http://support.twitter.com/articles/18311-the-twitter-rules#

Great observations, Gravenimage ...

And now "D" is aggresively stating that Jihad Watch is a "HATE SITE" ...

Of course it wouldn't be if he stopped posting, since he's the one spewing hatred towards Robert and others.

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Be gone, D-Hater ...

"The FBI doesn't operate in Australia genius"

Oh yes it does. The FBI has legal attaches at the U.S. Embassy, and they work closely with the Australian Federal Police (AFP) and the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO).

Looks like Champ is more of a genus that you.

D,

In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says beat your wife, no questions asked

In Sunan Abu Dawud, a canonical hadith collection:

Book 11, Number 2142:

Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.


"*Unbelievable*. "D" is a poster who has been excusing all sorts of Muslim savagery since he began commenting here recently, including his reams of verbiage extolling the glories of *slavery* under Islam."

Islam teaches that you should free your slaves, there is no earthly punishment for slavery but those who practice it shall never be seen as righteous in the eyes of Allah (SWT).[QURAN 2:177]

As for any slaves that you DO keep, your are obligated to treat them like your brothers feeding them what you eat and clothing them with what you wear. You should never overwork them and you are advised to help them at all times. You may never punish your slaves according to the authentic hadith of the prophet Muhammad (PBUH). When the prophet died he had no slaves left, we should follow our prophet's example.

Christianity on the other hand condones murdering your slaves. I find it amusing how people like Spencer point their fingers at Islam, take a look at UR own religion for once. Take a look at what it teaches.

"Instead of wasting your time chasing a ghost Spencer, I suggest debating ME instead. Unless your afraid to lose BITCH!".

Why would he waste his time on you ? You have already shown that you are a moron.

Tell me, does " D ",stand for " Danios ", of Loon Watch fame ?

"Oh yes it does. The FBI has legal attaches at the U.S. Embassy, and they work closely with the Australian Federal Police (AFP) and the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO)."

Great find, Tom! ...thank you :)

See this excellent video -- German with English subtitles: Muslims were responsible for more slavery over longer periods than Europeans were responsible for

And remember, the only movements to abolish slavery emerged in the Christian world, from people operating on explicitly Christian assumptions (William Wilberforce, for example). Meanwhile, slavery still goes on in the Muslim world, for example, in Sudan.

You are welcome.

Now that Robert has informed the FBI, he could follow up by calling the U.S. Embassy at (02) 6214-5600 and asking for the legal attache / FBI office.

Hi, Traeh ...

D wrote:

"Even though I greatly condemn any act of aggression," ...

And yet look at the aggression "D" demonstrates towards you? He's a liar with a double standard. What a toxic combo.

You know why people like myself get to enjoy surfing the net in peace, because we don't piss people off online.

What a huge lie that is...You just ticked off a lot of people including me...personally I have no use for pond scum...

"Thank you for clarifying what I meant, Paul ...".

Always a pleasure to hear from you, Champ.

D,

You should complain about the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, not about me. I'm just quoting it. It shows Muhammad himself affirming that those who do not follow him will be slaughtered. Read the bold text at the end of the quote:

On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, he affirms that those who do not follow him will be "slaughtered":

Abu jahl said to them: "Muhammad alleges that if you follow him you will be kings of the Arabs and the Persians. Then after death you will be raised to gardens like those of the Jordan. But if you do not follow him you will be slaughtered, and when you are raised from the dead you will be burned in the fire of hell." The apostle [Muhammad] came out to them with a handful of dust saying: "I do say that."

So you see, Abu Jahl is beside the point. According to your own texts, Muhammad affirms those who do not follow him will be slaughtered.

D

You sound pissed …angry … cussing … why is that ?

Why are you being vulgar ?

Are you doing that because you are ashamed and red faced? …you are doing that because your devout disgusting criminals brother in crime Muslims who you cheer the same filth of a religion ….Pisslam ?

You words tell of what your are thinking and but not really telling !!!

I know Muslims like you … in secret you cheer such threats .. but you are too chicken to do it your self …

I pity you more then I pity that criminal who did sent these threats … because at least he is honest …. you on the other hand, is a liar who hide and let the other muslims do the dirty work that you wish you have the courage to do .

You a hypocrite and a liar

"In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says beat your wife, no questions asked"

According to the Quran this should only be as a last resort after all other methods fail. Firstly you should talk to your wife, then refuse to share the same bed and lastly in order to save the marrige you can give her a slap on the wrist. Beat her means tap her with a miswak as the prophet Muhammad demonstrated when asked about this verse. A miswak is a small thin toothbrush: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WT-ZuSIdxnw/SQQZxB4HwyI/AAAAAAAAAKM/MRqA5S0H1Ho/s320/miswak.jpg

You are not to leave any marks or bruises on her

Good work, Tom! ...and Robert might have the FBI put a tracer on this "D" creep, since he seems ready to blow, too. My gosh, his comment to Traeh is over the top.

Good point, Champ.

Well, if I get that reaction from him, I must be doing something right.

"In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says beat your wife, no questions asked"

According to the Quran this should only be as a last resort after all other methods fail. Firstly you should talk to your wife, then refuse to share the same bed and lastly in order to save the marrige you can give her a slap on the wrist. Beat her means tap her with a miswak as the prophet Muhammad demonstrated when asked about this verse. A miswak is a small thin toothbrush: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WT-ZuSIdxnw/SQQZxB4HwyI/AAAAAAAAAKM/MRqA5S0H1Ho/s320/miswak.jpg

You are not to leave any marks or bruises on her

Well, I'm not going to his home. He doesn't sound like a very nice person to me.

Thank you, Paul! :)

"Tell me, does " D ",stand for " Danios ", of Loon Watch fame?"

You're probably right, Paul, since he isn't denying it ...

D,

"Beat" means with a toothbrush, huh? That's a good one.

Examples of Islam's founders striking women (not with a toothbrush, either)

Wife-beating goes on in all societies. Most societies seek to punish it. Islam's core texts and founders, with some very vague limitations, make it into something sacred and thus unreformable.

From Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two most canonical hadith collections:

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 828:

Narrated Aisha [Muhammad's favorite wife]:

Abu Bakr [first caliph, father of Aisha, and companion of Muhammad] came towards me and struck me violently with his fist and said, "You have detained the people because of your necklace." But I remained motionless as if I was dead lest I should awake Allah's Apostle although that hit was very painful.

Sahih Muslim, Book 009, Number 3506:

Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Abu Bakr...came and sought permission to see Allah's Messenger...He found people sitting at his door and none amongst them had been granted permission, but it was granted to Abu Bakr and he went in. Then came Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah's Apostle...sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat Umar) [who would become second caliph] said: I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet...laugh, so he [Umar] said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter of Khadija when you asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah's Messenger [Muhammad]...laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr [who was later to become first caliph]...then got up went to A'isha...and slapped her on the neck, and Umar [who was later to become second caliph] stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah's Messenger...which he does not possess. They said: By Allah, we do not ask Allah's Messenger...for anything he does not possess...

Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 2127:

...(the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He [Muhammad] struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?...
Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715:
Narrated 'Ikrima:
Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!"...

You are not to leave any marks or bruises on her

That's what prison guards and mental ward attendants
used to practice...only beat the person on head so no marks can be seen...Beating someone 'lightly' is different with each beater...And what exactly is a 'last resort'? You mean when the hubby gets tired of talking, the beatings begin...and they will continue until moral improves...

What a doofus.

One day, Muslims will learn that there's a better way to reduce criticism of Islam. It's called "being nice." I can't speak for anyone else, but when I'm standing in front of a nice Muslim, I have very little inclination to talk about Muhammad. However, when a Muslim is tossing around death threats, I have an uncontrollable urge to tell the world about Muhammad, the Qur'an, and Islam.

Now a Muslim is threatening to cut my head off and hang it on the White House. Hmmm. I feel a video coming on. I can't hold it in! Somebody stop me! Oh no, it's too late to stop me! I'm about to talk about Muhammad!

"According to the Quran this should only be as a last resort" ...

A last resort? ...pardon me but men shouldn't resort to this practice AT ALL, you unfathomable creep!

You are now promoting abuse on Jihad Watch? ...a new low even for a mohammedan slave.

Wow, and this is coming from someone that just wrote this ...

"Even though I greatly condemn any act of aggression,"

Liar. Hypocrite.

You've been caught red handed LYING -- again.

Have you no shame?

Aren't you embarrassed being caught in all of these lies?

Well, if not, then you should be.

On the use of the Miswak to beat your obstinate wife "lightly":

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-wife-beating-toothbrush-documentation.htm

The use of a Miswak is a later feel-good interpretation to accommodate decent people. One commentary even suggests the beating to be done with a "folded hankerchief"!

Looks like the magnificent David Wood has just made an appearance.

I remember an incident on Yahoo's Islam chat, that a Australian kuffar and a Mahoundian got into a big argument...They discovered that they only lived 30 miles apart, so the kuffar gave his real address and directions to his house, so the Mahoundian could come over and fight...Instead the police showed up and arrested the kuffar for threats over the internet...I don't know the outcome, but this idiot who threatened is similar...

lols!

Lay it on, ungently.

I had a last resort once, but I didn't beat anyone over it...I went to the doctor and had it removed...

The sun will be rising in Australia any minute now...wonder what the new day will bring...

D …

Do you know what you can do with your '' you are not to leave a mark or bruises on her ''

You can take it and shove it where the sun does not shine !! … do you understand you Muslim !!!

ARE YOU GOING TO TELL THAT TO THE NEXT MUSLIM WOMEN WHO JUST HAD HER BODY PULLED FROM HER HAIR AND DRAGGED ALL OVER THE HOUSE … *** THAT DOES NOT MAKE A MARK ?????!!!! …

Why do you think leaving a mark all have she has to worry about ???

Are you that dense or are you one of those Muslim liars ?

You know what you need for you to understand how a women feels when, not ever her Allah protect her let alone her husband … her family … her own mother form the beating Quran allowed….

you need know what you need in order for you to understand ?

You need a another man bigger then you to beat the life out of you ? … then … only then you would understand the helplessness a smaller women would feel when a man as twice as her size try make her obey her, beat her .

You make me sick !!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://anu.academia.edu/abdulhakim screw the crappy house. Is this the kid?

"D" wrote:

"*Unbelievable*. "D" is a poster who has been excusing all sorts of Muslim savagery since he began commenting here recently, including his reams of verbiage extolling the glories of *slavery* under Islam."

Islam teaches that you should free your slaves, there is no earthly punishment for slavery but those who practice it shall never be seen as righteous in the eyes of Allah (SWT).[QURAN 2:177]
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In that case, I suppose the "Prophet" Muhammed will "never be see as righteous in the eyes of Allah", because he was both a taker of slaves, slave owner, and slave trader—and he encouraged his men to do the same.

Muslims are encouraged to consider the "Prophet" a model for all time.

You cite Qur'an 2:177:

Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah , the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous.
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Of the five references to freeing a slave in the Qur'an, three are prescribed as punitive measures against the slaveholder for unrelated sin, and limits the emancipation to just a single slave.

In other words, freeing a slave *is a punishment*.

And while freeing a slave may occasionally be seen as righteous, so is *taking* slaves, including sex slaves:

Qur'an 33:50:

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"
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So here, it is *Allah himself* who is enslaving women so that they may be raped by the loathsome "Prophet".

There are many other passages. The Qur'an actually devotes more verses to making sure that Muslim men know they can keep women as sex slaves than it does to telling them to pray five times a day.

And here's the "Prophet" condemning a woman for having freed a slave rather than giving her to another Muslim:

Bukhari Volume 3, Book 47, Number 765:

Narrated Kurib:

The freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."

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As for any slaves that you DO keep, your are obligated to treat them like your brothers feeding them what you eat and clothing them with what you wear. You should never overwork them and you are advised to help them at all times. You may never punish your slaves according to the authentic hadith of the prophet Muhammad (PBUH). When the prophet died he had no slaves left, we should follow our prophet's example.
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What crap—there are several instances in the Hadith of Muhammed's companions beating their slaves, with the "Prophet" looking on with approval or amusement.

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Christianity on the other hand condones murdering your slaves.
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References, please.

The most salient point here, though, is *this*:

"As for any slaves that you DO keep"

Notice that "D" did not put this in the past tense. And why would that be? Because he has made it clear that he is condoning slavery *today*.

And why not?

While slavery in the West has been outlawed for centuries, and the West has done so much to end slavery in many parts of the world, Muslims still practice slavery *today*:

"Child Slavery on the Arabian Peninsula"

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/12/29/child-slavery-on-the-arabian-peninsula/

There are many more stories. Muslim slavery is still rife in subsaharan Africa—Mauritania, Sudan, and Niger.

Simon Deng is a friend of Robert Spencer's, and has appeared with him at many events. He was enslaved by Muslims in Sudan.

A high-ranking Imam at Al Azhar has called for a full-scale return to state slavery, and a woman who ran for parliament in Kuwait has called for a return to the formal taking of sex slaves.

"D" has sometimes framed his arguments in terms of Islam (supposedly) being more anti-slavery than Christianity, but it is clear that what he is really claiming is that slavery under Islam is both benevolent and an ideal to be practiced forever.

D

While you at it …. you can take that Quran of your and bury or... flush it or burn it … you choose …

That part Quran … 4:34 ….WAS THE REASON TO RUIN LIVES …. NOT JUST THE MUSLIM WOMEN LIVES … NO …NO

IT RUENED MUSLIM MEN LIVES …TOO

They had their women hate the floor that they wake on … every women they marry and they beat, they receive nothing, but hate that back and disgust …it cause so mush problems in marriages …

It is because you are ignorant Muslims …you think just like ignorant Muhammad and his fake Islam Islam … that women need to be beaten to control ..

You make me sick … D

Great comment, Fineliving56! ...yes, anyone promoting ABUSE like "D" make me sick, as well.

How childlike... it's like mohammed (written in lower case on purpose). A former muslim say mohammed's biography shows that he was an insecure man, so he acted this way.
Unfortunately, in islamic culture, this behaviour is considered a sign of 'maturity' and 'self confidence', as opposite of almost ALL living culture of today.

'According to the Quran this should only be as a last resort after all other methods fail. Firstly you should talk to your wife, then refuse to share the same bed and lastly in order to save the marrige you can give her a slap on the wrist. Beat her means tap her with a miswak as the prophet Muhammad demonstrated when asked about this verse. A miswak is a small thin toothbrush:'

Ooooh... how kind hearted, how sweet (sarcasm) .
It's clear that the quran say that women are less than animals. It's horrible (also it's clear that mohammed was an insecure man , as i wrote in previous lines)

It's disturbing how he uses the language of modern, pc, kind of leftist, tolerance to claim that Robert Spencer is guilty of 'hate'... yet declares that he wants to cut his head off. It just goes to prove pretty much every point that right wing, free speech advocates make about our current culture.

"I pity you more then I pity that criminal who did sent these threats … because at least he is honest …. you on the other hand, is a liar who hide and let the other muslims do the dirty work that you wish you have the courage to do ."


Now that was an awesome can whoop-a$$ you opened on the despicable "d", Fine!

http://www.anu.edu.au/contact/ lets see if we cant get him expelled.

he said he burnt 1200 of robert's book. thank god for saudi oil money!!
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I love the smell of keyboard jihadi in the afternoon, smells like failure.

AnonPoser,

How do you know it's the same guy, though?

"D" has taken a beating here and I for one have enjoyed it. More expansively, it's instructive how everytime a Muslim or a dhimmi apologist for Islam attempts to exculpate Mohammed or the religion itself from blame, they make no headway whatsoever against those who know the true worth of Islam and its reputed founder. And those who know what Islam is really about are growing exponentially as each year moves into the next one. It's a tide that simply cannot be turned back.

Eat your heart out, D. That is if you have a heart.

To …. Champ a Istanbul Chick

Thank you for your posts … as you Know this subject hits home hard … and I am angry at this man D .. who seems too easy for him to come here and say this garbage about how to beat women … without care or any kind of sensitivity …

Of course … why would I be so surprised any way … I am only talking to a Muslim …

I am sure my words are going from one Muslim cell to the other Muslim cell that he ONLY has in his Muslim brain .

I just wish I do not eat words while I am writing angry … I cannot fix it !!

If AnonPoser DID find the right Abdul Hakim, then the first link shows he is an ANU alumnus, and therefore cannot be expelled or disciplined. But we still don't know if he is the right guy.

Let's not have a high tech lynching here. Let's work through the proper channels.

Robert, I hope he paid for those 1200 books.

Otherwise, it seems as if Robert really hit a nerve with this guy. One can almost see the veins in his forehead throbbing as he types out his hate porn on the keyboard with one hand.

Asshat Hakim needs to take care--high blood pressure is a known killer.

I suggest relaxing with a nice cold beer and a bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich.

Sorry, im a youngun, all I do is high tech... and your right, he cant be expelled from the school, but he can be expelled from the site and his work taken down.

D,

1) One should never condone in any way any kind of violent threat, no matter how much you may disagree with the target of such a threat.

2) There are proper ways to voice a disagreement without descending into being uncivil. The fact that a number of folks here don't hesitate to do so does not mean you are at license to do the same.

3) Traeh seems to raise some valid relevant points from several hadiths in Bukhari and Muslim. How would you respond to his post and reconcile the content with what you stated about Muhammed and the use of the miswak?

This anger from the Australian clearly indicates to me that Islam is a Religion of Peace.

Sorry, I thought I typed unconfirmed...

AnonPoser,
Oh, ok, no prob.

Hey, miriam ...typical mohammedan, angry at the wrong source; he needs to redouble his efforts and burn a bunch of qurans instead. Sheesh whatta maroon!

"D" wrote:

According to the Quran this should only be as a last resort after all other methods fail. Firstly you should talk to your wife, then refuse to share the same bed and lastly in order to save the marrige you can give her a slap on the wrist. Beat her means tap her with a miswak as the prophet Muhammad demonstrated when asked about this verse. A miswak is a small thin toothbrush: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WT-ZuSIdxnw/SQQZxB4HwyI/AAAAAAAAAKM/MRqA5S0H1Ho/s320/miswak.jpg

You are not to leave any marks or bruises on her
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No surprise here—after condoning Muslim slavery, "D" now condones Muslim wife-beating.

Women are subject to the most horrific abuse in Muslim households, up to and including "Honor Killings".

There are many examples of wife beating in the Hadith:

Narrated Ikrima:

"...Aisha said that the lady came wearing a green veil and complained to her (Aisha) and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating. It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's messenger came, Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!"

And Muslims hardly restrict themselves to beating women with Miswaks.

And even this "toothbrush" thing is a canard—Miswaks are rarely sold in packages like cheap plastic toothbrushes in the West—instead, they are sold in their branch form. An uncut Miswak essentially works *like a whip*.

But more fundamental even than this is that "D" believes that Muslim men have the right to "discipline" their wives.

This is a right no woman has in Islam—no matter how badly a husband acts, a woman has no right to discipline him.

It is Muslim men who decide what constitutes a beatable offense—as well as what constitutes a "last resort".

A man may beat his wives—and his slaves and his donkeys.

The idea that men and women are equals is totally alien to Islam.

AnonPoser,
At your link to the photo of an "Abdul Hakim" from Australian National University, one can access some of his academic papers. I read through a couple of them:

http://anu.academia.edu/abdulhakim/Papers/924078/Islam_and_Transformation_of_Gender_Identity

http://anu.academia.edu/abdulhakim/Papers/1002591/Political_Islam_and_Indonesian_Democratic_Consolidation

I don't think he's our guy. (Unless he's changed since he wrote those papers.) The papers seem to show him to be a liberal Muslim. I don't think he's the same Abdul Hakim as the one who tweeted the death threats.

Good to see that "D" got the trouncing he richly deserves. I wonder what "D" stands for ?
Could it be:
Dumbass
Dolt
Dhimmi
Darkness
Devil
Demon
Diabolical
Daft
Dolt
Dim
Dirtbag
Dork
Drab
Dank
Dullard
Dope
Dosey
Drear
D*ckhead
Dipsh*t
Duplicitious
Deceitful
Dog-breath (no offence to dogs intended)
Or all of the above? And some?

Meadow Heights is neigborhood that JW has mentioned before.

"More than 400 officers from the Australian Federal Police, Victoria Police, New South Wales Police and ASIO searched homes in suburbs including Glenroy, Carlton, Meadow Heights, Roxburgh Park, Broadmeadows, Westmeadows, Preston, Epping, and in the western district town of Colac."

R X, aka fairuzfan ...

You wrote:

"3) Traeh seems to raise some valid relevant points from several hadiths in Bukhari and Muslim. How would you respond to his post and reconcile the content with what you stated about Muhammed and the use of the miswak?"

D already responded to Traeh, or weren't you paying close attention? Note D's above response to Traeh @12:58PM, here:

"According to the Quran this should only be as a last resort after all other methods fail. Firstly you should talk to your wife, then refuse to share the same bed and lastly in order to save the marrige you can give her a slap on the wrist. Beat her means tap her with a miswak as the prophet Muhammad demonstrated when asked about this verse. A miswak is a small thin toothbrush: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WT-ZuSIdxnw/SQQZxB4HwyI/AAAAAAAAAKM/MRqA5S0H1Ho/s320/miswak.jpg

You are not to leave any marks or bruises on her"

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What, are you hoping for a different answer from D? Well, if you are, then your hope is in vain, since hes already made his preposterous position quite clear in his comment above.

You and D are nothing more than a couple of trolls working in concert with one another; and I find it very telling that in your second point to D, you are condemning others, while coaching D towards better behavior. Hmm, shouldn't it be the other way around? Well, it would be, were you truly part of the anti-jihad movement, but of course you are not! Hey you aren't fooling anyone here, fairuzfan.

Fine,

Having not been raised a muslim surrounded by abusive muslim men I cannot fully understand how hard it hits home for you. However, having lived among abusive, racist, supremacist, obfuscating muslims I do understand the anger and frustration (which is doubled if it's a leftarded fool doing the indefensible double speak) at their smug and condescending excuses and lies for the inexcusable and how it rises to the surface as you type.

Hence the reason I let everyone else thoroughly trounce this clown.

Sometimes it's better to bite one's tongue.

Then again sometimes it's therapeutic to vent on a ponce like despicable d. You did it with truth and class.

Champ, the amazing Dumbledoresarmy lives about a thousand miles from Meadow Heights, and it would take her 10-12 hours to drive to the location.

I, on the other hand, am currently residing less than an hour away. I have tried to be discreet about my location in the past, but perhaps now is the time to speak up. Reading the address really freaked me, because I used to visit a family in that suburb, literally five minutes from our target address, every week. I have probably seen your man on the streets.

Robert Spencer, have you reported this harassment? The address of the most appropriate police station is 15 Dimboola Road, Broadmeadows 3047. The telephone number is + 613 9302 8222.

Do you want me to do anything?

There is something that must be borne in mind at all times: the strong tendency of Mohammedans to 1/ lie and 2/ steal or cheat.

*How* certain is it that this creature actually *does* live at the address that appears on his tweets?

Or, for that matter, that the name he gives is his real name?

We do have to be careful about making assumptions - the address and name could be 'red herrings'.

My other question arises from the fact that I know nothing whatever about how 'Twitter' works.

I see the phrase, or address of another user, @83amira, directly below the threatener's name/ nom de plume.

Why is that there? Who - in the 'Twitter' system - would that refer to?

Further thought: The Q Society - fledgling Aussie resistance-to-jihad group - has an active Melbourne branch.

This looks like something for the Melbourne-based 'Q' members to look into; and if any of them live in that part of Melbourne, they have cause to make plenty of noise to the metropolitan police, to local government authorities and to their elected representatives, on the basis that *if* this guy really does live in Melbourne, and if he is making aggressive and explicit murderous threats against someone in America, he's not the kind of next-door neighbour the average non-Muslim *Aussie* Melburnian needs either.

I assume that Mr Spencer has already forwarded screenshots of all the threats, exactly as shown to us here, to the Australian Federal Police and to ASIO? *And* to the Victorian Police?

If that has been done, then Melbourne Q society members and other Melburnian jihadwatchers can back him up by letting those bodies know that they - as concerned citizens - are also aware that these threats seem to have been made by someone in Melbourne, that they (Q) view the threatener as a 'ticking bomb', and that the matter should be vigorously investigated.

In the images Traeh posted,it looks like the windows are boarded up.
The Australians NEED to check the whole neighborhood out,if Mustafa is the Realtor.
Certainly the Baksia area enclave.

All Australians should send appropriate letters to Australian authorities as soon as possible. If possible, include the screen shots, webpage address for the story, etc.

CHOI, remember, that image of the house is from Google maps. Therefore it is not likely to be a current image. It might be years old.

CHOI, I just checked, that Google maps image of the house is from December, 2009.


Your reasoning is that if a person should SLAUGHTER other human beings because they are of a different people,race,or religion,and ,because their religion directs them to KILL whom they consider "unbelievers" or "THE OTHER",calling attention to that is "Hate Speech"?
Fighting AGAINST THAT is "Hate Speech"?
YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND,D!!

Hi, Diana ...hey that would freak me out, too! Too close for comfort, as they say, right? And here in the U.S. a person can contact police and report crimes or suspicious activities without giving your name, etc; so they must have similar protective measures in Australia, as well. And please write Robert a private email with this information, since he doesn't always read the comments section. Do you have his addy? Take care and B safe!

Diana, here is Robert's email: director@jihadwatch.org

So Islam is in Australia too? I suppose it metastasised there from Indonesia. Is there no place on Earth free of this poison?

Better yet, Australians should pick up the phone and personally call any relevant Australian authorities, the more the better, refer to the story at jihadwatch.org called "Death threats from an 'Australian man'", and then ask them to arrest the perpetrator.

"AnonPoser," in a comment above, found an "Abdul Hakim" photo online from Australian National University, but we don't know if that Abdul Hakim is the same Abdul Hakim who tweeted the death threats.

The name "Abdul Hakim" is a very common name among Muslims -- probably like finding a "Peter Miller" on a continent. That said, chances are that anyone named "Abdul Hakim" agrees with the death-threatener anyway; but would likely lie about it.

˙ǝɥǝɥ ˙ɐıןɐɹʇsnɐ oʇ sbuıʇǝǝɹb

Christianity on the other hand condones murdering your slaves.

D, you got a reference for that?

I'm not seeing anything remotely close to it at all.

Ex 20:20 to 21 states that anyone killing a slave is subject to punishment. Condone means to tolerate/accept so it cannot be this one ... and technically this is Old Testament not Christianity ie New Testament.

Early Christianity did not get rid of slavery but it did later on.

So ... D ... what verses are you referencing?

lol gee i wonder why hahahahahahaha

˙ɹǝpun uʍop ɟo puɐן ǝɥʇ

A little humor to balance a grim topic.

¡snoıɹɐןıɥ s,ʇɐɥʇ

Looks like "D" is gone from this thread. But, like the flu, he'll be back. And "RX," if you are the former "fairuzfan," spare us your tedious, pompous intellect and go elsewhere.

Those who, in any manner, run interference for that which pulls mankind down rather than lifts it up, all the while posing as truthtellers, are very close to the bottom of the barrel if indeed they're not already there.

Hey, Gerard ...the writing is very islamic since it's both upside down AND backwards. How fitting, right? ..lol!

Gerard wrote:

So Islam is in Australia too? I suppose it metastasised there from Indonesia. Is there no place on Earth free of this poison?
.........................

I'm afraid so, Gerard.

Here are the Cronulla riots, where Lebanese Muslim gangs were aggressively harassing Aussie girls:

"Australian beach riots"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/12/australian-beach-riots.html

Also, 88 Australians were murdered in the Bali bombings of the same year, and were almost certainly the main target.

Here's some important stuff from Dumbledore's Army:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/10/muslim-who-spoke-at-pro-khomeini-conference-and-threatened-columnist-named-to-homeland-security-advi.html#comment-722356

I know DDA and Diana Summers can tell you much, much more.

You found fliptext!
I was thinking of a story of Lincoln at height of the Civil War. He was at a meeting reading a newspaper..the cartoon section! His colleagues reminded him the agenda was very serious. He replied with something like "If I do not allow myself some distraction I would die of very grief!"

Yes, a very common name, and perhaps there are multiples of them in Australia. However that may be, I don't think AnonPoser's Abdul Hakim is ours. See

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/05/death-threats-from-an-australian-man.html#comment-882060

By the way, LemonLime, outstanding interview at your site recently.

A very apt Lincoln quote for these days:
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."

...yeah Google is amazing, I typed "upside down text" and voila, fliptext! :)

I would talk to the FBI and a federal prosecutor about this Internet crime, at least to have it documented. If something happens and they did not take reasonable steps, I would sue them as well as the man and whoever is funding and supporting him (if anyone is). Always think of it as documenting for the future lawsuit.

I call Mo a kiddy-diddling psychopath! And still no recognition from that Muslima who calls herself Abdulhakim!

D, your boyfriend should explain why you are allowed to post comments.

Death threats from "an Australian man"

They probably mean:

Death threats from "the follower of a penis kisser"

Yes, filthy Muhammad used to kiss the penis of a six year old boy!!!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/03/grandpa-muhammad.html

Different D here, I support Robert 100%. As the Muslim population increases, with their high fertility rate, immigration (10,000 into the US each month), conversion (often by force or lying), we can expect more and more these threats. The probability of the threats being acted out, will likewise increase.

For those who support Muslims, remember they don't discriminate against who they hate and punish. In addition to the persecution and killing of Christians, Hindus and Buddhists, an atheist is also facing death, by Muslims, due to his tweets about his disbelief of God. This really shouldn't be a left versus right issue. The left are typically more supportive of gays. Muslims believe in the killing of gays. I'm sure both the far left or the far right, don't want their Mom, sister, or daughter stone for fornication. So just as both the right and left oppose Nazism, we should all oppose Muslims, who believe it's okay to kill apostates, gays, and the punishing of women by lashes or suffering a horrific death by stoning due to fornication. Honor killings, where a family can kill their offspring, typically a daughter, is already being committed in the US by Muslims. Muslims, have a really high fertility rate, just notice the quick spread of Muslims in Europe. So there's a very good chance one of your relatives or even family member will be a Muslim. So, if a Muslim said, he would have your Mom, Sister, or daughter killed due to her being an apostate, gay, or fornicator, would you support this?


Deport all Muslims, and ban Islam, like the Germans banned Nazism.
"Tolerance becomes a crime, when applied to evil." - Thomas Mann

@ D -

"Christianity on the other hand condones murdering your slaves. I find it amusing how people like Spencer point their fingers at Islam, take a look at UR own religion for once. Take a look at what it teaches."

Not only defending murderous threats against good, decent people, but a liar as well.

Be gone already.

Oh my gosh, remember the good old days? When nobody knew what the heck a Muslim was.

I love this guy...Pamela is a whore and needs to be slaughtered because she is, um, so full of hatred? Hello? Anybody in there? (Think McFly, think!)

And then there is the thing about Robert being a liar. Who is lying now? This guy burned 1200 of Robert's books a day or so ago? C'mon, I know the welfare is good there but he didn't buy any 1200 books and burn them. And there aren't that many libraries in that part of Australia or whatever town and country his mom's basement is in.

"Oh my gosh, remember the good old days? When nobody knew what the heck a Muslim was."

Too right! Now days we have to deal with a troll a minute, none of them got an ounce of substance to contribute - I mean intellectually. The only crap they keep reusing is that already debunked stuff in Koran. They don't get it.

I hope FBI wouldn't let that clown abdulhakam into the States and the Ausi experts will keep an eye on him. Robert, Pam and David we are all with you and we are going to dig out all we can about the terrorist on the net.

Couldn't get on my ISP earlier this morning - I didn't read all comments. Sorry if I am repeating soem of your stuff posted earlier.

According to the evil word of Allah in his Qur'an

8:12 "... I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

You are lying about Islam and have completely misrepresented it. We merely want to slaughter Pamela Geller and behead you and display your head on the White House lawn for suggesting Islam is barbaric and violent.

Great rebuttal you've got there, buddy. Now I see why you geniuses think you're the Best of All Men.

Well, his English is superb, I know about an imam in Northern England who had been there for 42 years and did't speak a word of English. Compared to him that bloke is pretty articulate. It always depends on the way you look at it. Is the glass half full or half empty? Anyway Islam makes you stupid, it leads the way from evolution to devolution.

Good luck to you Robert, hope the FBI will have an eye on you. Hashem may bless you, we ned you so desperately.

"his English is superb"?? Was that tongue-in-cheek?

"..cause you a liar", "I will cut your head of"

Robert Spencer "Then again, that might be "Islamophobic."

The Aussie police have no qualms about being labelled Islamophobic. The time will come come when Muslims like these will have to dealt with by ordinary citizens like me.

Pakistani judges are often pressured to convict people accused under the country’s blasphemy laws that call for the death penalty for anyone insulting Islam, a special U.N. representative said Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/05/31/pakistan-judges-pressured-to-use-blasphemy-law/#ixzz1wRBnRP5i

Youssef

He is NO Australian: he is just some Muslim scumbag who resides here and probably arrived illegally. The sooner he is sent back to his Islamic gutter the better.

I have been sending messrs Abbott, Joyce, Bernadi etc emails for years and I bet that the only result is ASIO looking at me. Bernardi is the best as at least he claims to read them and possibly does but the rest drown themselves in trivia while the bulkheads groan and the icebergs loom.

The real problem is that IF they do nothing now eventually the Muslims here will be a bigger voting bloc than the Greens and will thus control all elections and hence a greater flood of 10K$ "refugees" will arrive and do what they are doing all over Europe:destroying the welfare state.

The real joke is that their "party" line is so close to Nazism but no one seems to notice or care but OMG!! smack your kid in public and it makes nationwide TV. The world is **sefirst IMHO

Just read"D"s comments.

Loved the lines about:"freedom of speech" and support of Islam on the same page.

I just wonder if he is smart enough to notice the inherent contradiction there?

Probably not. All of those dual recessives kicking in, I guess.

Tunisia’s prime minister says the country’s patience has run out and that hardline Islamists who attacked police stations and liquor stores last week will be punished.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/05/31/tunisias-patience-is-at-an-end-after-hardline-islamist-violence/#ixzz1wRhtVB4U

Youssef

That was sarcastic of course. I'm so used to that kind of lingo, can't help it, can't deal with Mahoundians in any other way. I despise 'em from the heart of my bottom. Clear enough?

Bottom line...Islam is evil, the Quran and hadith a dark fairy tale...There may or may not have been a Mahound, but there was no Gabriel whispering Allah's words in his ear..
If there was, it is obvious that someone was incoherent...
Mahounds demon possession in the cave on Mt Hira reads more like substance toxicity than a spiritual experience...
Hallucinations are common in a toxic condition...Food poisoning can produce delirium and hallucinations, so can psychosis...Bad food? Bad drugs? Crazy? Maybe, but most likely it is the result of bad fiction...A dark fairy tale...

Another word of support here for Robert, another "D" here but David in Australia. Sorry about this Muslim clown's threats, I won't describe him as an Australian because he certainly isn't that. I hope the authorities here will be knocking on his door shortly. Muslims pretend to believe in freedom of speech, but that ends very abruptly if you mention the pedophile prophet badly!

David in Australia

David or "D", every time you comment, you'll have to preface your comment with "I'm not the Muslim D, and I'm not that other D, the neo-Nazi D", because if you don't give that preface, you may find hostility and/or confusion greeting you.

Might be a lot easier for you (and everyone else) if you found a more unique moniker.

Zathras, dualistic thinking is arguably a key part of Islam. Bill Warner, over at the website for the Center for the Study of Political Islam, often discusses this.

Basically, because the authority of the Qur'an trumps independent thinking, both sides of any contradiction in the Qur'an must be accepted as true. This contradictory thinking is to some extent ameliorated by the doctrine of abrogation, but not completely.

Warner, whose training was in science, therefore takes a statistical approach to Qur'anic doctrine. Since the Qur'an makes peaceful statements, but also makes contradictory, aggressive, totalitarian statements, Warner counts both and tells you what percentage of statements are peaceful, and what percentage are totalitarian. For example, something like 99% of statements about jihad in the core texts refer to military jihad. Less than 1% refer to peaceful, inner struggle against one's own vices.

Warner is often extremely interesting in his approach to this subject. His organization has published a number of helpful books -- for example, a Qur'an with all the repetition removed, and the chapters put in chronological order. It's about half as long as a normal Qur'an and far easier to read and understand, since a normal Qur'an has the chapters all out of order -- in the usual Qur'an the chapters are arranged according to size (biggest toward the front, smallest toward the back), not time sequence. But you probably know all that.

Been travelling too much, so didn't see this till now. Robert, Pamela, please take care of your safety. This guy sounds too moronic to actually do any harm but its best to be careful. Any feedback from FBI or Australian police? They both MUST help you and protect you. And keep us JWers posted about this guy's arrest.

Traeh wrote:

Basically, because the authority of the Qur'an trumps independent thinking, both sides of any contradiction in the Qur'an must be accepted as true. This contradictory thinking is to some extent ameliorated by the doctrine of abrogation, but not completely.

Warner, whose training was in science, therefore takes a statistical approach to Qur'anic doctrine...
...............................

And Traeh, I'm sure that someone as obviously well-versed in the Qur'an as yourself has taken note that in almost every case that the more violent verses abrogate the earlier, more peaceful ones.

But I also agree with Warner. The first time I read the Qur'an—a year or two after 9/11—I knew nothing about abrogation, and yet the thing that stood out for me re the text of the Qur'an was how shockingly ugly and violent it was.

Learning about abrogation has just emphasized my initial impressions.

hey Gerard, you forgot :-deadsh#t
dense
dingbat
drone
Any Aussies want to get together at some point?

gravenimage,

True.

The last or near to last chapter that tradition says Muhammad produced -- Sura 9 -- is of course quite violent and includes the "verse of the sword." So in Islam, violent totalitarianism has the last word.

Warner acknowledges abrogation as well. But it's also good that he points out the sense in which Muslims consider everything from Allah eternally valid -- including the abrogated stuff. Muslims will often point to peaceful and tolerant verses. Those verses are certainly valid at least when Muslims are in the position Muhammad was in when he produced those verses, i.e., when Muslims are in the minority and are weak. Imitating Muhammad means Muslims must be to some extent peaceful and tolerant when they are in a weak position. Besides, many Muslims have little or no knowledge of the Qur'anic doctrine of abrogation. They recite the Qur'an in Arabic, but don't know Arabic, and don't care.

When Muslims point to the peaceful verses, what would be a more convincing rebuttal? To talk about the obscure doctrine of abrogation, which seems almost like a mere technicality, not a basis of religious passion? Or is it a more convincing rebuttal to do something like what Bill Warner more often does. Warner does talk about abrogation, but more often he gives the percentages of the core Islamic texts that are peaceful and tolerant, and the percentages that are violent and totalitarian. In percentage terms, the core texts are lopsidedly violent and totalitarian, the tolerant verses few and far between. The non-Muslim audience hears those percentages, and feels that at last, they can make sense of the Qur'an's contradictions. Before, they felt at sea, because one person points to peaceful verses, another to violent verses, and it seems like the interpretation of Islam must depend on the individual, and that the religion is not really violent in itself. But when Warner documents, for example, that over 99% of references to jihad refer to military jihad, and less than 1% refer to inner jihad against one's vices, then the non-Muslim audience can make sense of the contradictions. It now becomes possible to acknowledge the peaceful aspect of Islamic doctrine, but also to see that it is only a tiny part of the doctrine. Totalitarian violence is the main thread.

"D" You said, "Even though I greatly condemn any act of aggression, I wouldn't be losing any sleep if those threats turned out to be real. People like Robert need to get a reality check, I'm all for questioning other people's beliefs but YOU SHOULD NEVER CROSS THAT LINE! Ones you cross that line freedom of speech starts turning into hate speech WHICH NEVER ENDS WELL!

MORAL OF THE STORY: JIHAD WATCH IS A HATE SITE!"

Now it's my turn to say something. First of all telling the truth is not considered a hate crime. So Robert is not what you have claomed. Not even close because he isn't killing anyone, calling for others to kill someone, or slandering anyone at all. Robert, Pamala,and thousands of others are merely warning non-Muslims and even some Muslims that their lives are in grave danger.

D, that isn't hate toward others, that's compassion for others.

Secondly, I'm pretty well educated myself on the ideology known as Islam and I think Robert and Pamala amoung others, are showing great courage, demonstrated the seven core principles of: chivalry, honour, integrity, humility, courtesy, wisdom & charity, by their on going allegiance to equal rights, freedom, and liberty, for all humans.

Including Muslims, that's right including Muslims. You see by being a Muslim your entire life you actually put more and more distance between yourself and the will of God. Not because I say so, but because the Bible says so.

We are to treat others, the way we'd have others, treat us. Islam doesn't teach that at all. In fact just the opposit. Hardly a plus in practicing the "Will of God".

So "D", you are badly mistaken, and only show your ignorance by saying the things yoou say. Save yourself, come to the side of compassion, forgiveness, and tolorance. Live by example to all others, and not by hatered toward all others.

Robert may use some support from us.

Here comes "D" and in the narcissistic pervert tradition shifts the topic and makes it all about him.

As this gentleman's religion puts discussing anything with infidels to verbal manipulation and taking space and time from the other, I strongly urge everyone to ignore his posts as they do not present communication, but manipulation.
The one thing a narcissistic pervert cannot tolerate is silence and being ignored.
he has been given too much attention under a post that calls more attention to Robert, to the life he chose to live, and to Pamela. They are being threatened. They need proof from us, encouragement, that they are doing the right thing.
Again, I urge everyone to ignore the posts of that attention seeker D...umbass, and concentrate on our discussions. We do not need to be dhimmied in our own writing space.

All good points. Traeh. I always find your posts about the Qur'an and Hadith very useful.

traeh, I believe they've come out with a new app that automatically prefaces one's text with "I'm not the crazy Muslim "D", I'm a different "D"..."

:)

The 'lightly' part you refer to is from the Q4:34 translation by Yusuf Ali:

YA: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."

The original Arabic makes no reference to 'lightly', though some surmise that Yusuf, writing for a mid-20th c. English audience, parethetically added this to ease the embarrassment of such a statement.

Now compare to A.J. Arberry whose own work is still considered one of the gold standards of Quranic translations:

AJA: "Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All-high, All-great."

Nothing about 'lightly' or using small sticks here!

I'll try to sign off with "David" at the end traeh, sometimes I might forget after a bourbon & coke or two, hopefully everybody will realise I'm not the fool "D" because my posts will be compatible with everyone else's opinion on here.

David

Why not just change your screen name ?

Why not just change your screen name ?

I'm not sure how to Jan. I sign in through Yahoo, I can't even remember how I was given the name "D" but it's the only one I can log in here.


David.

Hi, D, here's how to change your moniker ...

Just click on your own moniker ...and then on the righthand side you'll see "Edit Your Profile" ..and once you click on that you'll see "Display Name"..there you can make whatever changes you want to your name..and then DON'T forget to scroll down to the bottom to "Save Changes", and then voila! Should work for you--hey it's worth a try! :)

Thanks Champ, problem solved.

Good to see you finally able to sign in as "David"!

The "D" default has caused no end of confusion here at JW—glad you and Champ found a way around it!

Hi Robert, for the first time in all the years I have been reading Jihad Watch I finally caught you in an error. You said "promising to hang my severed head in the White House (where I expect it would clash with the decor)."

I think your head would look quite nice in the White House as long as it was still attached to your body, It definitely wouldn't clash with the decor and everybody having to refer to you as POTUS would be the pièce de résistance. It would also be satisfying to see Pamela Geller and David Wood as the VP and Secretary of State respectively.

That is only a pipe dream of course; but some fantasies are worth relishing.

As I understand it, you weren't born in Kenya so you probably don't qualify to campaign for this office to which the current occupant has only brought shame.

It is unfortunate that the people who should run for President never do and those who shouldn't even be allowed to run are the first off the starting blocks.

Perhaps, it's all for the best. In some ways you do more good through Jihad Watch, your books, and your talks than you could do as President. There may be many Presidents of the United States over the years but there will only be one Robert Spencer, one Pamela Geller and one David Wood. I think it is no small coincidence that the three of you live and act and teach contemporaneously.

With any luck, this creature will end up getting arrested by the Middle East Organized Crime Squad anyway.

Like here:
'
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-31/sydney-motorway-stop-leads-to-243m-ice-seizure/4044452

Sydney motorway stop leads to $3m ice seizure

"Officers from the Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad stopped a car on the M5 motorway at Hammondville, in the city's south-west, at about 5:30pm (AEST)...".

(The western and southwestern suburbs of Sydney contain the city's major Mohammedan colonies...).


Yup, that's what we had to create in Australia. A whole special unit of the Police, devoted to dealing with organized crime carried out by MOMAs (that is, 'Men Of Middle-eastern and Mediterranean Appearance', or, to be blunt, MUSLIMS).

And somehow when the 'Middle Eastern Organized Crime Squad' catches crooks and the cases come to court, the perps are never Jews, nor, usually, Copts (there was just one, a post office franchise-holder who may have been 'leaned on', dhimmi-style, by a bunch of Muslim gun smugglers), nor Italo- or Greco-Australians, nor Assyrian Christians nor Maronite Catholics; 99.9 percent of the 'catch' are Mohammeds and Husseins and Alis and Ahmeds, and one sees the crowds of ready-to-riot relatives outside the court, and the be-hijabbed females throwing theatrical fits in the public gallery while the trial is going on.


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