UK: Muslim forced prostitution gang found guilty

"The Sexual Powers of Prophet Muhammad"??? Are you serious?
Please check out this pps about the Sexual IMPOTENCE of Muhammad. Enjoy!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/01/prophetess-of-islam.html

"No wonder so many Muslims are eager to kill and die and go to heaven!!"

The doctrine that drives thousands of Muslims to despair: "The Torments of the Grave"
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/08/torments-of-grave.html

exgtbrown, criminals will do anything to avoid being convicted. Of course he played the race card. Thank goodness it didn't work.

ebonystone, the most common reason a person "cannot be named for legal reasons" is that the person has also been charged with an additional and unrelated crime. A second trial is expected, and this future jury must not be prejudiced by knowing about past offences, i.e. trial by media.

Maybe oneday Hilary Rodham will have a gold statue in the town square to match Billyboy's in the Adriatic.

"As Muslim immigrants become more and more preponderant in Europe and America, it will be increasingly likely that some will end up on juries trying Muslims for terrorism and other crimes. And because of the unanimous-jury system, all it takes is one jurist to thwart the dispensation of justice.

It's time to re-examine the unanimous-jury system."

Or just use Ockham's Razor: Bar all immigration of Muslims into the West, and deport all extant Muslims from the West.

duh_swami, that is just the point.

The girls do not have parents - often they are residents of one of those unspeakable "care" homes.

Or they have only one parent, who is so busy earning a living or feeding her addiction or nursing her illness that she has no time to tend the home fires.

Occasionally the parents are providing the kind of home that looks all right on the surface, yet the girl's self-esteem is so shattered that she is vulnerable to any man who flatters her vanity. When the parents care but never realised their daughter was so unhappy, alerting them can sometimes help. In that case, they do indeed fight back and demand justice.

More often, however, the paedophiles are depressingly skilled at picking on the kind of girl who has no allies.

The standpoint of view of these "brothers" is that these white girls are of a lower moral standing, have very loose family ties and more "up for it" or easily brought through vodka. Their choice of victim has been vindicated by their own "success".

The parents aren't there because they are too busy to know or care much of their daughters; they too no doubt could be brought by bit of food and 2 cigars.

The indigenous society of the UK has really slipped in their standards of life, schooling, discipline, behavior and a lazy "it's their life let them get on with it" attitude. You see shining examples of their standards in the Jeremy Kyle show.

The parents rebuttal is to join the BNP. Please, to solve this (type of)problem the indigenous society of the UK HAS to get back to decent standards of family life and start to CARE for their young; particularly their daughters who will form the next generation of your society, prohibit teenage sex, drinking smoking and Friday night binging.

Make life hard for single parent families, so that it is not seen as an easy way to housing.

Simply blaming Islam and polarizing their attitudes is going to divide society further and will not help; ironically although these thugs claim to be Muslims, we do have some of the best family values going, we always have very close family ties and on the whole know exactly where our daughters are.

I agree the same cannot be said for these men; but the society of Rochdale Town has made things easy for bad men. They will need to pay and they will pay; but please do not talk about deportation or castration; do not make their future children pay for their mistakes; and critically please ask like I am asking "how is the indigenous society going to raise their moral standards such that their daughters are not/no longer "easy"?

Let me say that despite these nasty people, girls joining Islam will be provided a boost to their well being whilst bringing discipline and joy to their lives; it will stop them slipping back into the far less moral compass that they come from. It can be a way forward for some of them.

Rezali

Rezali, with all due ''respect'' , the fracture in your theology needs to be held to account, not the inodolence of indigenous welfare-addicts. .it runs deep back to your religion's founding documents. You people choose, out of arrogance, ignorance and filial piety, to ignore our scriptures and try to shackle us with an obligation to accept yours unquestioned. Wake up woman. Learn freedom. Cast off your chain of unexamined acceptance in the Muslim status quo.

Toro, you are right. Rezali suggesting that the girls who were raped, given drugs and alcohol, degraded and treated worse than animals because they they were not Muslims should thus join the ideology of their abusers and thus get protection is truly despicable.

However I do not approve of your abusive language. These things can be said without resorting to abuse.

In my post above also I made a mistake. The Chief Prosecutor was a Muslim but he initiated the inquiry whereas the previous politically correct cops did nothing.

The fact is that the Islamic ideology is vile and has no place in civilised society.

>B>Kuwait approves death penalty for blasphemy

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/589e80cc-9525-11e1-ad72-00144feab49a.html#axzz1uNnyUXbp

She's a mohammedan troll. Personally, I wouldn't waste any more key strokes on her.

Amazing, isn't it, they're too stupid to realize we've actually *read* their vile 'scripture', we know all about paedomohammed, we're not taken in by the msm PC/MC crap anymore ! And yet they still try spewing their meretricious lies, and on a forum like this, where the posters are all islamosavvy. They are so thick.

Rezali (R),

Islam advances through jihad, and rape is a major component of jihad which has been practiced by Muslims for 1400 years, starting with Muhammad and his men. Islam permits rape in two contexts: "Enjoying one's wife by force," and sex with i.e., rape of the slaves and captives one's right hand possesses. According to the Quran and Hadith, including Muhammad's example, a Muslim man is permitted to rape a prepubescent girl.

Your post is informative in that you are a typical Muslim. As we have seen over the years, the response of most Muslims to rape victims is to blame those rape victims rather than the rapists, and use the opportunity to attack non-Muslims while promoting Islam.

R: "The standpoint of view of these "brothers" is that these white girls are of a lower moral standing, have very loose family ties and more "up for it" or easily brought through vodka. Their choice of victim has been vindicated by their own "success"."

It is clear from your post that you as a "brother" know first hand these attitudes, because you yourself display them.

R: "The parents aren't there because they are too busy to know or care much of their daughters; they too no doubt could be brought by bit of food and 2 cigars."

Blaming and demonizing the victim--classic Islamic propaganda designed to aggravate injury.

R: "The indigenous society of the UK has really slipped in their standards of life, schooling, discipline, behavior and a lazy "it's their life let them get on with it" attitude. You see shining examples of their standards in the Jeremy Kyle show."

I'm not saying that the morals of the modern non-Muslim westerners are perfect, but they are much better than those of Muslims. Here's a test for you to think about: Would you rather live in the U.K. or Pakistan? If you dislike the morals of the people of the U.K. so much, GTFO and go to an Islamic sharia paradise of your choice. You probably love the morals of the majority of Pakistanis, who want sharia, want to put apostates to death, stone adulterers, etc. Rape is rampant in Pakistan, and jails are filled with women who were rape victims who could not provide four witnesses. The biggest problem is not with the traditional values of the British people. The problem, aside from the problem of Islam itself, is the values of the corrupt politicians and media who demand mass unchecked immigration of sharia-loving, jihad-loving, rape-loving, rape-justifying, infidel-blaming Muslims.

R: "The parents rebuttal is to join the BNP. Please, to solve this (type of)problem the indigenous society of the UK HAS to get back to decent standards of family life and start to CARE for their young; particularly their daughters who will form the next generation of your society, prohibit teenage sex, drinking smoking and Friday night binging."

All of this is irrelevant. These underage girls are being religiously and racially profiled by racist supremacist Muslims who think it's okay the rape non-Muslim women and girls. Islamic law of jihad allows Muslims to rape the non-Muslim women and girls. The lifestyle of the girls doesn't matter as far as these Muslim predators are concerned; they'll just kidnap them, beat them, and drug them anyway.

R: "Make life hard for single parent families, so that it is not seen as an easy way to housing."

Or, more justly, deport the rapists and those who agree with them and support them to a sharia paradise of their choice.

R: "Simply blaming Islam and polarizing their attitudes is going to divide society further and will not help;"

On the contrary, Islam's policy of allowing Muslim men to rape non-Muslim women and girls is the primary problem in these types of cases. The widespread Muslim cultural attitudes that non-Muslim females and white females are "fair game" goes along with this policy.

R: "...ironically although these thugs claim to be Muslims, we do have some of the best family values going, we always have very close family ties and on the whole know exactly where our daughters are."

Nonsense. We've seen the data on what Muslims, including in the U.K., believe and support. The vast majority want harsh elements of sharia such as criminal prosecution and punishment of those criticize Islam or Muhammad. The vast majority want sharia. The vast majority reject western values such human rights and freedoms as these are understood in the west.

R: "I agree the same cannot be said for these men; but the society of Rochdale Town has made things easy for bad men. They will need to pay and they will pay; but please do not talk about deportation or castration; do not make their future children pay for their mistakes;"

This is absurd, and I think you know it, as your post is kind of an absurd gloating. Criminals and those who want to overthrow our society, destroy our society, and replace it with sharia hell-on-earth need to be either locked up or removed/deported.

R: "and critically please ask like I am asking "how is the indigenous society going to raise their moral standards such that their daughters are not/no longer "easy"?"

They need to raise their standards by condemning evil, and that means condemning Islam, which is a religion of jihad, where a main component of jihad is, as it always has been, rape of the non-Muslim women and girls.

R: "Let me say that despite these nasty people, girls joining Islam will be provided a boost to their well being"

You've got it backwards, joker. They will boost their well-being by rejecting that which is ill, perverse, evil, i.e., Islam. Get Islam out of their societies, and this problem will be mostly solved. As long as Islam remains in the U.K., and continues to grow, there is no way to stop this massive systematic campaign of rape carried out by Muslims against non-Muslim women and girls.

R: "...whilst bringing discipline and joy to their lives; it will stop them slipping back into the far less moral compass that they come from. It can be a way forward for some of them."

If Islam is so joyous, why does it permit rape and indeed provide it as an incentive for the Muslim males to wage jihad or to use it as a method of jihad? And if Islam is so joyous, why does mainstream Islam demand the death penalty for leaving the religion or questioning and criticizing the religion? Fact is, the religion is so terrible they have to threaten people with death to keep them inside it. Some Muslims find the Islamic scheme lucrative, especially so when they come into contact with non-Muslims. Other Muslims see the evils of Islam to varying degrees of clarity, but are afraid to leave it publicly, so they hide their disbelief. Thus, this "joyous" religion produces untold numbers--perhaps tens of millions--of hypocrites. Islam commands torture and corporal punishment. Wonderful, joyous religion you've got there, Rezali, a religion that has slaughtered hundreds of millions, and probably raped hundreds of millions, in the past 1400 years, while creating millions upon millions of hypocrites.

Rezali, I really do think your post is evil gloating about the rape victims; you see this as a Muslim victory of humiliation of the non-Muslims. There is some chance I could be wrong though. On the other hand, there is a chance I could be wrong about you. You might use this opportunity to clarify your views, acknowledge and reject the aspects of Islam and Muslim cultural attitudes that permit rape of non-Muslim women and girls, and acknowledge the damage that Islamization is doing to the once-great society of Britain. Either acknowledge the problem, or admit, by your failure to acknowledge the problem, that you are part of that problem.

Rezali,

R: "...ironically although these thugs claim to be Muslims, we do have some of the best family values going, we always have very close family ties and on the whole know exactly where our daughters are."

Yeah, and if they even so much as freely choose to talk to or date a non-Muslim boy, or take off the hijab, or think about changing their religion, etc., you beat them or lock them up in their rooms or kill them.

Fine values you've got there, Rezali: Okay to rape non-Muslim girls, but if a Muslim girl so much as looks at a non-Muslim boy you beat her or kill her.

I am aware of your finer points of racial definition, Bengali, Pashtun etc, but extending the argument, we use the nomenclature, 'white race' when in fact it's a huge amalgam and that was my intent when I used the term when defining Pakistanis.

There is more here and for us to haggle over race/religion definitions in this case is akin to arguing over the number of angels on a pin head.

Here's my position. To argue that jihadis are evil is not racist. Jihadis are, by their core principles, Muslim and Islam is not a race.

The bulk of these rapists (and now that the firewall of PC idiocy is down there'll be many more) are Pakistani. They, courtesy of our disgraceful post McPherson race posturing feel emboldened and willing to import the sexist and racist mores of Pakistani males into our country.

In other words this is not merely Islam but the Deobandi, hate and despise the kuffar Pakistani brand.

Try this..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/allison-pearson/9254651/Asian-sex-gang-young-girls-betrayed-by-our-fear-of-racism.html

Thanks to everyone else who chipped in, but as the remarks were addressed to me, I shall answer. I speak as a mother and a schoolteacher who has qualifications in psychology and theology.

The standpoint of view of these “brothers” is that these white girls are of a lower moral standing, have very loose family ties and more “up for it” or easily brought through vodka. Their choice of victim has been vindicated by their own “success”.

There is always a problem when one group considers itself morally superior to the world simply by existing. Muslims are by no means the only offenders. “We have the only chaste women” is a cry frequently heard among naïve Christians. When I teach teenagers from these self-satisfied cultures, I find them to be unempathic, disrespectful, chronically deceitful – in short, lacking an internal locus of morality.

The indigenous society of the UK has really slipped in their standards of life, schooling, discipline, behavior and a lazy “it’s their life let them get on with it” attitude.

No. There has always been a small percentage of British society like that – it’s nothing new. We don’t so often hear from the people who have maintained their traditional values, because “chavs” (of any ethnic background!) make more sensational newspaper reporting. Entrenched apathy cannot be dealt with by pep talks and half-hearted threats. It is a long-term (multi-generational) problem that will take a long time to heal.

It has been my very consistent experience, however, that “lack of discipline in the home” is a minor problem. A far more serious problem is lack of nurture. Children who are wildly under-disciplined, but nevertheless nurtured, grow up somewhat self-indulgent – but not criminal. Children who are not nurtured invariably develop serious problems in terms of disregard for other people, regardless of whether the level of discipline at home was too much, too little or apparently correct.

The indigenous society of the UK HAS to get back to decent standards of family life and start to CARE for their young

Most parents do love their children, and most children don’t get into trouble. Judging all of us by the “chavs” is like judging all Muslims by the terrorists. Friends from the Middle East have estimated to me that the friends of terrorism are about five percent of the population. This would also be my estimate of the proportion of seriously disturbed families in Britain.

particularly their daughters who will form the next generation of your society, prohibit teenage sex, drinking smoking and Friday night binging.

“Particularly their daughters” is a problematic attitude. Sensible girls already know that fornication is not in their best interests. Real moral maturity in a community is better gauged by the percentage of chaste men. It is when the burden of chastity is placed on the men that fornication is more likely to stop. Boys who have high self-esteem, empathy for other people, respect for women and a good example from their leaders do not harass girls for sex.

Make life hard for single parent families, so that it is not seen as an easy way to housing.

Why not make life hard for men (or women) who have abandoned their families? If men are obliged to support their families regardless of whether they live with them, they will think twice before taking the expensive option of leaving. Personally I am in favour of requiring people to register a genetic blueprint before they are eligible for any kind of state benefits so that biological parents and children can be tracked. But I know most people will label this idea as an invasion of civil liberties.

Simply blaming Islam and polarizing their attitudes is going to divide society further and will not help; ironically although these thugs claim to be Muslims, we do have some of the best family values going, we always have very close family ties and on the whole know exactly where our daughters are.

I know it is annoying if you are a decent person to find your own community consistently vilified, but I question your insight into what is really happening among British Muslims.

(1) Blaming Islam is not random. It comes from the example of Mohammed himself. He:

(a) forced marriage on people who did not want it, e.g. Zaynab and Zayd, Osama and Fatima.

(b) tore his own daughter away from her husband’s home simply to pressure his son-in-law to convert to Islam.

(c) instructed his disciples to divorce all wives in excess of the four he permitted. He did not require them to provide for their ex-wives beyond the first three months, yet he was the one who made it difficult for a woman to work and support herself.

(d) gave himself special permission to have more than four wives. By March 630 his count was eleven concurrent wives plus two concubines. How much more loudly could have have shouted that there is nothing wrong with adultery?

(e) raped at least six of his slave-girls (Rayhana, Juwayriya, Safiya, Mariya, Jamila and another who is not even dignified with a name).

(f) decreed no man should be questioned on why he had struck his wife, and stood by saying nothing when other men beat his own wives Hafsa and (on two occasions) Ayesha.

In other words, Mohammed’s determination to control everything personally set a terrifying example of patriarchy. Omar compounded the problem by:

(g) requiring child abuse, e.g. beating children who recited the Qur’an wrongly.

(2) There are many strong, happy Muslim families – there are many such families in all cultures. But Muslim family life as a group trend is among the worst in Britain.

(a) Muslims have ten times the average domestic violence rate.

(b) Muslims are the worst offenders in forced marriage (although the Sikhs also offend badly here).

(c) Nearly every “polygamous” family in Britain is Muslim. How can a father be present every day in his home if he has four homes?

(3) It seems to me that the Muslim community, even sectors of it that seem superficially happy, is as often as not held together by fear.

(a) Fear of Allah, who might send you to Hell even if you are a Muslim, but will certainly damn you if you are not.

(b) Fear of the Muslim community, who give harsh punishments to – and even kill – people who appear to break the rules. You are never quite sure who might overreact to an offence and report you to someone who could destroy you.

(c) Fear of the non-Muslim community, because you have been taught from infancy that non-Muslims are immoral, unfriendly people who are certain to treat you worse than the virtuous Muslim community does.

We need to educate Muslims that they can choose whether or not to remain a Muslim; that their fear of outsiders is unjustified; and that they can report and restrain those members of their own community who assault or control them. These changes will dissolve communities that only hold together out of fear – those who have nothing to lose by being loosened. At the same time, such changes will not in any way harm “good” Muslim families that are held together by love, so the good families will be willing to take the risk.

please do not talk about deportation or castration

Personally I have never talked about castration or any other form of bodily mutilation. I oppose capital punishment because I perceive it as giving people a one-way ticket to Hell. I am in favour of deporting non-citizens who commit crimes (a serious crime ought to be grounds for revoking a permanent residence permit) but I don’t see how we can deport people whose only citizenship is British. If the crime is domestic violence, I believe the victims should have the right to stay in Britain like any other refugee.

please ask like I am asking “how is the indigenous society going to raise their moral standards such that their daughters are not/no longer “easy”?

No, that is the wrong question. The correct question is: “How are both indigenous and immigrant society going to raise their moral standards such that their sons are not/no longer sexual predators?”

Better still, instead of limiting the question to an obsession with sex, we can ask: “How do we reduce violence in general?” Some violence is related to petty boredom; some to theft or drugs; some to poor anger management; some to a desire to control other people; and some to an outright hatred for and malice towards society.

girls joining Islam will be provided a boost to their well being whilst bringing discipline and joy to their lives

These benefits are not peculiar to Islam. Girls who join any religious group – or, in fact, any well-knit “village” community – will gain a boost to their self-esteem, increased self-discipline and hope for the future.

What is peculiar to a closed community (e.g. most Muslims, some Sikhs, the Exclusive Plymouth Brethren … and a few other isolated groups) is that the security of a closed community comes at a price. That price is absolute conformity, dependence and allowing of someone “more important” to control them. Non-conformists will not always suffer obscene violence, but they do generally risk extreme social and emotional rejection.

That was an extraordinary reply. Clear, concise, well argued, and compassionate.

I fear however it is wasted on the nauseating 'rezali.' I rather more agree with Kinana, who accuses her (?) of gloating, and blaming the victim. In other words, a troll along the lines of walid, naseem, baklava, and others - if indeed they are not one and the same.

Nevertheless, I thought your reply was a tour de force, and it has given me much to think about.

Thank you for your considered responses, I welcome the lack of abuse in the tone of your reply.

Unfortunately I don't have time for individual rebuttals (and in some cases I concede that you are correct) however I will pick up on some points.

Your overall response has been written from a "actually we (the English) are on the highest moral ground and you Muslims and Sikhs need to learn to catch up or live in the gutter...you certainly have that upside down.. Also why are you bringing Sikhs into this ...I have not read of any gangs or misbehavior on their part, I DO have Sikh friends and they too have high moral standards.

Your answer ...The correct question is: “How are both indigenous and immigrant society going to raise their moral standards such that their sons are not/no longer sexual predators?”

This is merely idealism; you can ask but you won't get !ever! The best one can hope for is for women (and I include myself in this) to be on their best defensive lookout; This is why I am against Friday night binging (done mainly by the indigenous population, BTW do you do Friday nights too?) who not only endanger themselves, waste police time, but actually throw a gauntlet and a "free meal" to existing sexual predators, whilst rearing the next generation of them.

24 hour drinking must be stopped, teenager drug/smoke/alcohol abuse must stop; and Islam is an ideal vehicle for this i.e. you don't TRY to get teenagers to stop; you stop them, by focusing their attention away from mind bendinig to mind focusing, and in my experience learning the Koran is most suitable for this. As you know Juma (Friday) is a very special night for Muslims and I can think of no better way to spend each Friday.

I am pleased you make the point that Islam and terrorism is not one and the same, so I invite you to join to better your life too.

Many thanks and keep writing.

Rezali

I totally agree, Jan. . . and Diana S would make a brilliant Home Secretary too.

I do actually think that you, Rezali, need a little ''mind bending'' . .your 'prim and proper' gambit is soøo transparent. :-|
You could pass for 'Baroness' Warzi on a misty morning stroll through the park. ;-)

'' so I invite you to join, to better your life too'' . .so said the spider to the fly, also. :-)

Your overall response has been written from a "actually we (the English) are on the highest moral ground and you Muslims and Sikhs need to learn to catch up or live in the gutter...you certainly have that upside down.

“Highest moral ground” is an exaggeration. But there is simply no question that the basic culture of Britain is on a higher moral ground than the basic culture of Islam. Why else would so many Muslims wish to leave their traditional homes to come and live here?

Britain, with all its faults, remains a very nice place to live. What makes it nice is not “luck”. Britain has developed a legal system based on the rights of the individual and a social security system based on compassion. It has been socially unacceptable for Brits to beat up family members at least since the eighteenth century, the same era in which trade unions and mass education arose. No Muslim country in the world is as nice a place to live as Britain.

Also why are you bringing Sikhs into this ...I have not read of any gangs or misbehavior on their part, I DO have Sikh friends and they too have high moral standards.

I am simply being realistic. Sikhs have a higher-than-average domestic violence record, and they are responsible for most of the non-Muslim forced marriages and honour killings. Anyone who cares about people has to care about those Sikh women and children who are trapped in miserable homes. However, Sikhs do not have a supremacist agenda to conquer the world, and their street-crime rate is in line with the British average, so wider society tends to judge all Sikhs by friendly Mr Singh in their corner store.

“How are both indigenous and immigrant society going to raise their moral standards such that their sons are not/no longer sexual predators?”
This is merely idealism; you can ask but you won't get !ever!

Does this response really reflect your experience in the Muslim community? That is very telling. I know from my own experience that there are many communities where no man is a predator. The only question in my mind is how to generalise the success of these communities to the whole nation.

I spent my very happy adolescence among young men, presumably at the peak of their hormonal urges, who had profound respect for women and treated us as friends and equals. There was not one case of sexual harassment. One of the binding factors of the trust and safety in our community was the chastity of our men. They had no desire to defile themselves with fornication. The love they found in Christ inspired them to reflect that love to the rest of us.

I realise that the average white agnostic community is not motivated in the same way as a church. Nevertheless, don’t be fooled by the observation that both the men and the women are “easy”. There is a huge difference between being “easy” and being a predator. In a community where children are properly nurtured and taught to consider other people’s rights, there is very little violence.

The point is: the change has to come from within. You cannot reform sexual predators by punishing them, although you might reduce their activities if they realised they were always going to be caught. People learn respect and compassion for others when they have first received respect and compassion from others. Unfortunately, it is very difficult for people over the age of thirty to change entrenched attitudes. The only effective change agents for older people seem to be extensive psychotherapy or a genuine encounter with the Holy Spirit.

This is why I am against Friday night binging (done mainly by the indigenous population, BTW do you do Friday nights too?)

I agree with you there – there was far less Friday night violence back in the days when alcohol sales were regulated. No, I have never in my life “done Friday nights”. They usually clashed with church youth group! Why would I have wanted to be destroying my brain cells among predatory, tobacco-stinking strangers when I could have been relaxing with my friends and listening to God’s own words?

Islam is an ideal vehicle for this i.e. you don't TRY to get teenagers to stop; you stop them, by focusing their attention away from mind bendinig to mind focusing, and in my experience learning the Koran is most suitable for this.

Almost anything will distract teenagers from drinking because almost anything is a better use of their time – and they know it. The local sports club is an ideal vehicle for the average young male. Music is also a good outlet. So is art, although it tends to be less sociable. An inspiring teacher can engage youngsters in their academic studies. Involvement in local politics or community services can expand to a full-time interest.

Focusing on the Qur’an will certainly reduce the focus on alcohol. But will it really reduce the focus on crime?

I invite you to join to better your life too.

Better? But I have already been promised Paradise. Mohammed never died for me; he frankly admitted that he could not save anyone from Allah’s punishment (Bukhari 27:53).

Besides, I shudder to place myself at the mercy of people who might treat me the way Mohammed treated his women.

Rezali,

First, pardon me for thinking you were a "brother"; instead I gather you are a "sister."

Second, I noted your invitation to Diana that she embrace Islam. Interesting that you use a thread about rape and conquest of non-Muslims as an opportunity for da'wa. Such an invitation is of course an implied threat.

Without any threat, I invite you to embrace positive western values such as freedom to criticize publicly any political or religious ideology or leader. I invite you to accept our western system of laws and morals, which emphasize hard work, personal and social responsibility, free inquiry, artistic expression, fairness, equality, charity, compassion, and so forth. If you are religious and spiritual I invite you to consider other forms, such as modern Christianity, Hinduism, or Buddhism, or some other new spirituality or philosophy that is more precisely matched to your own values and ideals. I invite you to critically examine all such ideologies and compare them against the Quran, Hadith, and Sira. I invite you to accept the view that a young woman or man should be able to date or marry whomever he or she wishes, regardless of religion, ethnic background, etc.

I invite you to reject Islam which is an ideology founded on mass murder, plunder, imperialism and conquest, assassinations, intolerance, slavery and sexual slavery, torture and brutal corporal punishment, the use of terrorism, the use of deception in da'wa and jihad, the imposition of sharia, the exploitation of the dhimmis, the breaking of treaties, the brainwashing of children, and the terrible abuse of young girls. I invite you to reject Islam's totalitarian crushing of free expression and freedom of conscience, with its death penalties and other harsh penalties for leaving Islam or criticizing Islam and Muhammad. I invite you to reject Islam's theology of punishing disbelievers in hell-fire, a punishment that is to be given no matter whether the disbelievers do good works. (As the Quran says, good works don't matter if you are a disbeliever; disbelievers are going to hell anyways--and this clearly proves that Islam is a corrupt unfair evil system at the core). I invite you to reject Islamic scripture, which says that disbelief is the worst crime, i.e., worse than murder, worse than anything else.

Otherwise, if you support sharia or jihad to establish sharia you should be required to leave the west. Sharia and jihad, and Islamic cultural traditions such as honor killings, should be banned in the west.

Yes, Islam is a religious-political ideology of warfare, slavery, rape, terrorism, and death threats. It is a religion that orders the killing of critics, heretics, and apostates.

The Quran orders Muslims to "strike terror" into the hearts of the non-Muslims; and moreover Allah says he will do so through guiding the actions of the Muslims. Muhammad declared "I have been made victorious with terror." Muslims who fail to do this, who fail to fight in the Cause of Allah and terrorize the kuffaar, when they have the means to do so, are regarded in the Quran and Hadith as hypocrites. All Muslims are required to wage whatever kinds of jihad they can against the non-Muslims who won't embrace Islam, from jihad of tongue and pen to jihad of the sword. A Muslim who could do nothing would still be required to hate the non-Muslims who don't embrace Islam.

Immediately after 9/11, the majority of Muslims worldwide supported bin laden and Al-Qaeda. Even by 2006, after al-Qaeda had killed Muslims in Iraq and Jordan, bin Laden remained wildly popular, with 49.9% of "Arabs" saying yes, they support bin Laden. That's Arabs; limiting the results to Sunni Muslim Arabs would have only increased the percentage to well over 50%. A few years ago, bin Laden was more popular in Pakistan than any presidential candidate.

Polls show that the vast majority of Muslims worldwide want sharia to be established. The majority want apostates and critics to be punished. The majority want a caliphate to be set up. The majority oppose western values.

And as I've learned over the years, the vast majority of Muslims believe that non-Muslim rape victims who failed to comply with Islamic behavioral and dress codes are to blame when they get raped by Muslim males.

Most Muslims thus think it's okay for a Muslim male to force a non-Muslim female to have sex against her will. Most Muslims support what most westerners would consider to be rape.

Similarly, most Muslims support what westerners would consider to be murder, in that Muslims will either support, or justify or excuse, the killing of critics and apostates of Islam.

And most Muslims, in my experience, will defend Muhammad's rape of a nine-year-old girl, Aisha. Others will deny it, but of those who accept the Hadith and Sira.

So the majority of Muslims support at least one of the following: Rape, murder, terrorism, sexual abuse of underage girls. Ultimately we have to blame Muslims for this, because Islam itself is an ideology not an active agent that can be held morally accountable.

So the choice is yours: You can embrace an imperfect but free society that fundamentally has good morals, is evolving, and can be improved; or you can continue on in an evil ideology/system that permits rape, murder, and sexual abuse of children.

CGW - you wrote - "The Friday night "binging" done by muslims is the rampant violence after Friday night "prayers" - too obvious that their rampaging is done when their "holy" emotions have all been aroused at the mosque".

Nice catch.

Friday, Friday, gonna go bomb on Friday...

Muslims may not drink alcohol at the mosque, but they most assuredly get 'high'..high on hate, high on rage and lust and an entirely unfounded - and boundless - sense of entitlement.

And then they descend on the local Jews/ Christians/ Hindus/ Buddhists/ animists in a screaming allahu-akbaring lynch mob.

In V S Naipaul's 'Among the Believers', in the chapter entitled 'the interchangeable revolutions', he records what one Muslim in Indonesia told him: "Islam can become a cocaine. It makes you high. You go to that mosque and you get high, and when you get high, everything that happens becomes Allah's will".

I noted your invitation to Diana that she embrace Islam. Interesting that you use a thread about rape and conquest of non-Muslims as an opportunity for da'wa.

No time should be lost when your thoughts are good for helping another person or to perform a good deed and reach further in life.

Diana is a very articulate person with clear rational thinking and writing; Indeed she would would make an excellent addition to the ummah; her skills would be in great demand to act as a speaker and for providing the correct type of rebuttal on behalf of Islam against the BNP and misunderstanders of Dar-al-Harb.

So far Diana has only read books on Islam, but not interacted closely with our society to learn the good, the light of Islam; This is a really spiritually enlighteninig process, the poetry and sura recital of the Koran is without competition and is highly disclipined.

It is a wonderful friendly process, not to be missed.

Such an invitation is of course an implied threat.
Where is the threat? I have NOT threatened Diana in any way,nor would I...ever!! infact her's is the most enlightening conversation without bias and hatred that I have had in years, and I would dearly like her as a friend; She is a pleasure to dabate.

Once again, where is the threat? Think before you write.

Rezali

The reason why I dismiss joining Christianity is that it is tainted. The old testament God is one who speaks from the heart, asks for demolition and destruction of enemies, sodom and Gommorah being prime examples.

Dar-al-harb, changed his words, watered down his words and used your own to provide wishy washy words of love.

It is not logical that God is only full of love, only carries your sins....NO...God needs the goodness of power and destruction when there is a requirement.

This is true within hinduism too in the Mahabarta.

You had it there in the old testament, but now Christianity is becoming irrelevant and you have done it yourselves.

The Koran is entirely different, poviding that balance and love and power where required, untouched by filthy human hands.

Rezali

Rezali, Kinana, Jan ... I'm not sure why assumptions are being made about my private life because I didn't think I'd disclosed very much, but let me set the record straight.

So far Diana has only read books on Islam...

The first book on Islam that I read was the Qur'an. That was back in 1993. Does it count as an Islamic book? Since then I've read Guillaume's translation of Ibn Ishaq and some hadiths, as well as some secondary sources.

but not interacted closely with our society to learn the good, the light of Islam

How close is close? I've admitted to being a teacher and I've had scores of Muslim pupils.

Before I was a teacher, I volunteered for the home tutor scheme and helped a Muslim lady of my own age to improve her English. She spoke very well, so we were able to discuss more than just the weather. I saw her for nearly a year; I ate at her house and I met her friends. She gave me a full dawa, but in the end our friendship perished when she realised I had refused it.

When I was at university, I had Muslim classmates. I remember one tutor group where I was the only Christian; there were two other Westerners plus six Muslims. One of the Muslim girls became very friendly and told me all about her home and family in Somalia.

Going back to my youth, my father had a Muslim research student who was always visiting our house. We went to parties at his house, including his walima. The young ladies I met there preferred to speak Urdu; while they weren't deliberately unfriendly, nor did they go out of their way to welcome me and my mother.

At school I was friends with a Christian girl who had a Muslim father. What she had to say about her family life was quite eye-opening.

While I haven't had extensive contact with the Muslim community, it would be wrong to claim that I've had none. I've met a lot of Muslims whom I'd call nice people. But have I met a Muslim of extraordinary moral stature? No, not one.

She thinks the mindless repetition of the koran is a 'spiritually enlightening process' - well, it's certainly a *hypnotic* one.

I suspect the Islamic prayer ritual and the reciting of the Qur'an works in roughly the same way as The Wave. Almost any shared ritual creates a sense of bonding and belonging, even if (like the Wave) it is meaningless. When the ritual means something, the bond is intensified. Some churches have rituals that work the same way. But I think the bonding effect would automatically become weaker for a person who simply understood how this ritual effect works.

Is the ritual hypnotic? I wouldn't know. Here's an example of my limited life-experience: I don't hypnotise easily. A man who once deliberately tried to hypnotise me failed, even though I was willing, and even though the same man succeeded dramatically with my sceptical friend who did not believe that hypnosis existed. I've been to a few Toronto-blessing-style "miracle" meetings, and I never seem to fall to the floor or catch the infectious laughter or think up a "word of knowledge" for my neighbour. I just don't have the talent for generating a fake miracle so convincingly that I deceive myself.

please be sure to teach your children to be thoroughly versed in Islam for them to move up in society

Oh, we shall, never fear, for it is this knowledge which will enable them to be a part of the movement to eradicate islam, the evil cult, insuring their place in the upper echelons of Enlightened Modern Western Civilization, to which the primitive, barbaric savages (mohammedans) can never aspire.

muslims are doomed to inhabit the "lower regions", both in this life and the next. Of course, they are pretty used to it by now!

How does it feel to be the laughingstock, (and the butt of endless "butt jokes" about the relationship between the Satanic "allah" and his demon-messenger, muhammed) of the entire Modern World? muslims would be a joke if not for the damage they do to the human condition.

This will be amended. Count the hours, mahz-lems.

Rezali,

R: "Where is the threat? I have NOT threatened Diana in any way,nor would I...ever!! infact her's is the most enlightening conversation without bias and hatred that I have had in years, and I would dearly like her as a friend; She is a pleasure to dabate."

Then let me spell it out: In the context of Islamic geopolitics, da'wa to the non-Muslims precedes jihad against those non-Muslims, if they refuse to (a) embrace Islam or (b) accept subjugation and the terms of the dhimma under Islamic rule. This is how Muhammad did it, and this is how it is laid out in the jurisprudence of jihad, and this is how it has played out historically. Bin Laden invited Bush and Americans to embrace Islam. Ahmedinejad invited Obama and the Americans to embrace Islam. The invitation is part of a conditional "or else". Your invitation occurs in that context, a context in which Britain is being progressively Islamized and where Muslims have increasing opportunities to wage jihad of whatever kind they can (violent or non-violent) against non-Muslims. I'm not necessarily saying that you personally are intending to threaten Diana by engaging in da'wa. I don't know that, though your comments here are not encouraging (see below). What I do know is that other Muslims will note her refusal to embrace Islam after it has been offered to her, and you cannot control what they do.

This statement of yours seems to support the threat hypothesis:

R: "Oh well never mind, I'll move on, I know that, Inshalla only the appointment of a Muslim prime minister will change things to a truly integrated society - please be sure to teach your children to be thoroughly versed in Islam for them to move up in society."

At the very least, this is an appeal to force. You are saying to the non-Muslims, "learn up on Islamic law because you're going to need to observe it carefully once we Muslims impose sharia." A "truly integrated society" in your view means Muslims in charge and non-Muslims as dhimmis obeying Islamic law and paying the jizya as per Quran 9:29. It sounds like a threat to impose sharia, which may only be possible by waging jihad.

R: "The old testament God is one who speaks from the heart, asks for demolition and destruction of enemies, sodom and Gommorah being prime examples."

The Quran confirms that; there are numerous verses which state that Allah has destroyed whole townships, whole generations, for their disbelief and disobedience. Allah commits genocide. Disbelief is the worst crime according to the Quran. Allah tests the faith of the Muslims by commanding them to wage war against the corrupt non-Muslims who refuse to embrace Islam. Of the able-bodied Muslim males who are called for jihad, only the true believers will do it; the rest are hypocrites.

R: "And yes I DO blame the victims for putting themselves in harm's way, their parents for not taking sufficient care of them, the free-wheeling society and the underlying issues of drugs/drink/sex creating and encouraging the circumstances for this to happen- but it seems to me that you *never* blame anybody else except the perpetrators - it is little wonder that the society of your people never improves."

You blame the rape victims; that is why everything else you say here is suspect. To come onto a thread such as this and add insult to injury is at minimum a highly suspect thing to do. It is classic Islamic jihadist gloating; even the wives and mothers of the jihadists gloat when the non-Muslim women are "humiliated." We have seen over the years Muslim women--even Muslim "feminists"-- calling upon jihadists to rape the non-Muslim women.

Don't be surprised when people respond with moral outrage. To talk about the parents and young people partying is to miss the point; these thugs are going after all kinds of non-Muslim girls regardless of their upbringing. This kind of thing is happening all over the world wherever significant Muslim populations come into contact with non-Muslims. We could start talking about the same phenomenon in Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Sudan, Israel, Sweden, Norway, etc.

Oh … muslimah … do not come here and lie to our faces … shame on you

So you are proud of your destructive and cruel Allah … shame on you

So you are proud of your prophet's lust after little girl of 9 … shame on you

So you are proud of words in Quran like …'' hound people who do not believe in Islam and corner them and kill them where ever you find them ………………….shame on you

So you are proud of your prophet who married 13 wives and took unknown numbers of slaves women after he killed their male family members and raped and consummated his marriage to them in the same night he killed them …. shame on you

The fact you are proud of this disgusting acts done by your prophet … tell us you are as sick as him .. you have no right to live any where close to people who value life .

I will take any Christian as a friend before I ever think of any Muslim … and this comes from an ex Muslimsh …

Your posts is en embarrassment to you as a humen being

Diana - your posting of May 11, 7.02 am, where you talk about the Muslims you have known - that's really interesting.

Have you read Australian author Vickie Janson's book "Ideological Jihad"? I think you'd enjoy it and find it helpful. It includes her account of an apparently close friendship she had with a very charming, smiling Muslimah neighbour, that evaporated into thin air once she, Vickie, had made it sufficiently clear that she did not intend to accept the 'da'wa', ever.

I think Jan would like Ms Janson's book as well.

The appalling Rezali Mehil wrote:

The standpoint of view of these "brothers" is that these white girls are of a lower moral standing, have very loose family ties and more "up for it" or easily brought through vodka. Their choice of victim has been vindicated by their own "success".
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Their choice of victim has been vindicated by the vile tenets of Islam, which teach Muslims to use vulnerable Infidels as sex slaves.

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The indigenous society of the UK has really slipped in their standards of life, schooling, discipline, behavior and a lazy "it's their life let them get on with it" attitude...
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And what explains the "standards" of the Muslim pedophiles and rapists who abused these girls? I notice you only have harsh words *for the victims*. this is absolutely par for the course for supremacist Islam.

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Please, to solve this (type of)problem the indigenous society of the UK HAS to get back to decent standards of family life and start to CARE for their young; particularly their daughters who will form the next generation of your society, prohibit teenage sex, drinking smoking and Friday night binging.

Make life hard for single parent families, so that it is not seen as an easy way to housing.
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Perhaps it might make mores sense to "make life hard" for *Muslims who engage in the sex-trafficking of under-aged girls*. No mention of this in your post, of course.

And why would there be? Muslims *always blame the victim*—be it girls like these, or victims of "Honor Killing" or rape.

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Simply blaming Islam and polarizing their attitudes is going to divide society further and will not help; ironically although these thugs claim to be Muslims, we do have some of the best family values going, we always have very close family ties and on the whole know exactly where our daughters are.
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"Best family values going"? You mean like FGM, child marriage, forced marriage, polygamy, and "Honor killings"? Even life in the troubled British underclass is better than this.

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I agree the same cannot be said for these men; but the society of Rochdale Town has made things easy for bad men. They will need to pay and they will pay; but please do not talk about deportation or castration; do not make their future children pay for their mistakes...
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Who's talking about *castration*? Muslims are the ones wedded to mutilating their victims through amputations and beheadings, *not* civilized Westerners.

As for not deporting these monsters, I suppose you believe that these rapists and abusers will somehow pass on good "Muslim family values" to their own children. What crap! Instead, they will be intent on raising another generation of rapists and abusers. Some few may escape becoming monsters themselves out of personal decency, but it will be despite the sort of upbringing they receive from vicious Muslim supremacists, not because of it.

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...and critically please ask like I am asking "how is the indigenous society going to raise their moral standards such that their daughters are not/no longer "easy"?
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Perhaps we could arm them? No—surely that's not the answer you're looking for. Perhaps we could deport those who would prey on them, and see that no more of them enter the country? Perhaps that's not the answer you're looking for, either...

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Let me say that despite these nasty people, girls joining Islam will be provided a boost to their well being whilst bringing discipline and joy to their lives; it will stop them slipping back into the far less moral compass that they come from. It can be a way forward for some of them.
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Being ushered into the horror of Islam would bring *nothing* good to these poor girls. It would only codify their victimization. Don't you know that your own religious leaders emphasize that there is no joy in Islam?

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24 hour drinking must be stopped, teenager drug/smoke/alcohol abuse must stop; and Islam is an ideal vehicle for this i.e. you don't TRY to get teenagers to stop; you stop them, by focusing their attention away from mind bendinig to mind focusing, and in my experience learning the Koran is most suitable for this. As you know Juma (Friday) is a very special night for Muslims and I can think of no better way to spend each Friday.
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Attacking Infidels? This is a favorite and time honored Muslim ritual. After getting worked into incoherent rage with a fiery Kutbah, Muslim mobs can rampage through the streets murdering non-Muslims and burning down their neighborhoods.

Search the JW archives—there are many, many examples of such salubrious Friday night activities.

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I am pleased you make the point that Islam and terrorism is not one and the same, so I invite you to join to better your life too.
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Actually, they are *exactly* one and the same. Your vicious coreligionists' raping and forcing vulnerable Infidel girls into prostitution is certainly a fine form of terrorism.

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I noted your invitation to Diana that she embrace Islam. Interesting that you use a thread about rape and conquest of non-Muslims as an opportunity for da'wa.

No time should be lost when your thoughts are good for helping another person or to perform a good deed and reach further in life.
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Repulsive. You are threatening Diana with the very same creed that condoned the victimization of these children. How vile.

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Diana is a very articulate person with clear rational thinking and writing; Indeed she would would make an excellent addition to the ummah; her skills would be in great demand to act as a speaker and for providing the correct type of rebuttal on behalf of Islam against the BNP and misunderstanders of Dar-al-Harb.
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Interesting that you still regard the West—where you now live—as "Dar-al-Harb" or the "house of war". And this is exactly what your fellow Muslims were doing when they abused these Kaffir girls—regarding it as a "victory" for the brutal creed of Islam.

And want the articulate Diana to serve as apologist for this sort of savagery! Ugh.

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The reason why I dismiss joining Christianity is that it is tainted. The old testament God is one who speaks from the heart, asks for demolition and destruction of enemies, sodom and Gommorah being prime examples.

Dar-al-harb, changed his words, watered down his words and used your own to provide wishy washy words of love.
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There is no love in Islam. What an ugly faith...

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It is not logical that God is only full of love, only carries your sins....NO...God needs the goodness of power and destruction...
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Well, there's certainly an abundance of destruction in Islam. Your Muslim brothers, for instance, have done a great deal to destroy these young girls' lives, Yo must be so proud...

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And yes I DO blame the victims for putting themselves in harm's way...
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These are *under-aged girls*. Again, Islam always blames the victims. Islam has a long, ugly history of blaming—and murderously punishing—girls for their own abuse. These is the 14-year-old girl in Bangladesh who was flogged to death for the crime of being raped by her cousin:

"Bangladesh: Teenage girl who died after Qur'anic punishment for adultery had been raped"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/bangladesh-teenage-girl-who-died-after-quranic-punishment-for-adultery-had-been-raped.html

Then there was the pregnant Nigerian teenager, a victim of incest, who was only spared stoning due to international pressure:

"Nigerian girl spared death by stoning"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/11/nigerian-girl-spared-death-by-stoning.html

Then there was the little 13-year-old victim of gang rape who was stoned to death in Somalia:

"Amnesty International: 'Woman' stoned to death in Somalia was 13-year-old rape victim"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/amnesty-international-woman-stoned-to-death-in-somalia-was-13-year-old-rape-victim.html

These victims of Islam were all about the same age as the victims in the story above. Are these girls in Dar-al-Islam to blame for their own abuse as well?

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...but it seems to me that you *never* blame anybody else except the perpetrators - it is little wonder that the society of your people never improves.
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Yes—civilized societies *blame the perpetrators*. It is small wonder that a Muslim would be surprised at this. It is so very different from barbaric Shari'ah.

As for Western society "never improving"—well, it's a wonder that you are here at all. Why don't you retreat to some Muslim paradise? Oddly, you seem to regard the idea of returning to Dar-al-Islam as some sort of punishment. How could that be, given the backwardness of Dar-al-Harb? You'd think you'd be glad to fleave—but for some reason, you are still here...

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Oh well never mind, I'll move on, I know that, Inshalla only the appointment of a Muslim prime minister will change things to a truly integrated society - please be sure to teach your children to be thoroughly versed in Islam for them to move up in society.
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Well, this is certainly chilling. For one thing, Prime Ministers are *elected*, not appointed in the democratic West. Ah, but that's the point, isn't it? What you have in mind is anything but democratic...

As for the threat that only those "thoroughly versed in Islam"—i.e., Muslims—will be able to "move up in society", this is classic dhimmitude that one finds in any Shari'ah society, where Infidels are treated as second-class citizens and worse.

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...but without the repeated ethinic injection into the UK; You would not have progressed.
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Grimly laughable. An influx of welfare recipients, street criminals and rapists has done very little to add to Britain's "progress"—except her "progress" to a Muslim state, which is all you really care about.

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All this has happened in my lifetime, let us see if it will take a muslim prime minister to bring back pride and discipline to this country of ours.
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In what way do you consider England "this country of ours"?

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Islam has all the tools to lead a good life, there are bad men everywhere, and there is protection in Islam.
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"Protection in Islam"—protection *from* Muslims, you mean. This is "protection" only in the sense that the Mafia uses it.

DDA, I have in fact met Vickie Janson in person. She is a very charming and intelligent lady.

The introduction to her book was the most interesting section: I found her personal experiences fascinating. The rest was good solid stuff, but didn't really contain anything new for people who are already informed about Islam.

gravenimage, I'm sure you cannot seriously worry that I might succumb.

It is not logical that God is only full of love, only carries your sins....NO...God needs the goodness of power and destruction...

Rezali, I am glad you grasp this. Spot on. Of course demolition and destruction of enemies are needed.

What I read in the Injil is that God poured out His demolishing destruction on Himself. Righteous justice was fully satisfied on His own Person. The deed of destruction is completed.

That is why I am one of those who have been promised Paradise.

It is in the Zabur that God says: "I have loved you with an everlasting love..."

Diana Summers wrote:

gravenimage, I'm sure you cannot seriously worry that I might succumb.
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No, no—*of course not*, Diana. I know the barbarism of Islam holds *no* attraction for you; nor was I meaning to imply that it did!

I can find Rezali Mehil's vision of using you as an apologist for savagery chilling—without *ever* believing you would succumb to it.

It is, in a way, a compliment on her part—but in such an ugly context that it is impossible to enjoy it.

Your replies to her were excellent. Indeed, I always look forward to your comments.

GI, I think it may be a little uglier than that.

Rezali presents us with a vision of a British caliphate where everything is controlled by the sharia, nobody is transformed from within, order and "peace" (blind obedience) are enforced by crude violence, and only those well versed in and obedient to Islam can succeed. The flattering suggestion is that people like me might do well for ourselves in such a caliphate.

As the Meccans once offered Mohammed: "If you want money, we will make you wealthy; if you want fame, we will make you a celebrity; if you want power, we will make you Queen; if you are insane, we will give you the best psychiatry. But cease to divide our community, ridicule our customs, insult our prophet and our religion and declare that our ancestors were in error!"

We know what a caliphate would do to a person who refused such an offer.

We also know that no non-Muslim in Britain wants a caliphate. People who honestly believe it is a good idea, because they cannot think of any other way to bring order to society, have had tragically limited life-experience.

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GI, I think it may be a little uglier than that.
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Believe me, Diana, I got the full range of ugliness Rezali Mehil was envisioning. Britain as a full Shari'ah state, where crimes like the one one above against vulnerable Infidels would be an everyday occurrence—and one without any recourse for the victims.