Lady Gaga cancels Indonesian show after Muslim threats

When I wrote before about Islamic supremacist opposition to Lady Gaga in modern, moderate Indonesia, some people noted that Christians there opposed her as well, and asserted that any non-Muslim society with a healthy regard for decent values would not allow to her to perform, either. Society, some argued, should hold the good, not freedom, as its highest value. Left unexplained, however, is how a commonly accepted understanding of “the good” is to be arrived at, and particularly how such an understanding could be restored in 21st-century America without imposing an authoritarian regime of some kind. Also, one wonders if proponents of such ideas would object to the intimidation and particularly to the death threats that ultimately led to the cancellation of Lady Gaga’s Indonesian show.

And finally, Sharia states are oriented toward the good, not freedom, as their highest value. How would the ideal state of these authoritarian Western “conservatives” be different?

“Lady Gaga cancels Indonesian show after threats,” by Niniek Karmini for the Associated Press, May 27 (thanks to all who sent this in):

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) – Lady Gaga has canceled her sold-out show in Indonesia over security concerns after Muslim hard-liners threatened violence if the pop diva went ahead with her “Born This Way Ball,” promoters said Sunday.

The Islamic Defenders Front said Lady Gaga’s sexy clothes and provocative dance moves would corrupt youth in the world’s most populous Muslim country.

The group said supporters had bought tickets to the concert and planned to enter and force it to be stopped. It also threatened that thousands of protesters would confront the singer on her way from the airport.

Police had said they would only issue the required permits for the concert if Lady Gaga agreed to tone things down. Instead, she pulled the plug on the show, which had sold out with more than 50,000 tickets.

“With threats if the concert goes ahead, Lady Gaga’s side is calling off the concert,” Minola Sebayang, a lawyer for concert promoter Big Daddy, told reporters Sunday.

“This is not only about Lady Gaga’s security, but extends to those who will be watching her.”

Indonesia, a secular nation of 240 million people, is often held up by the U.S. and others in the West as example of how Islam and democracy can coexist….

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Comments

  1. says

    No one is forced to attend her concert. You don’t have a free society when you give the Jihadis a veto on performers at a private event. You have a society where the real authority comes from the ones making credible death threats.

    Today it is Lady Gaga. Tomorrow it could be Kelly Clarkson or any American performer. There’s no limit. Indonesia should end its pretenses to be anything other than a Sharia state.

  2. says

    Gaga is not advocating violence, intimidation, suicide bombing, and mayhem; the jihadis are. Gaga is about freedom of expression, love, and creativity, the jihadis are about totalitarianism. Who is “good” here? Is that really a question?

    I’m not actually a fan but I see Gaga as an artist, like Salvador Dali — she’s a surrealist in 3 dimensional performance. Like Dali she shares her imagination and fantasies; where he used canvas and paint, she uses music and choreography. They both stimulate the subconscious mind. Apparently some people are afraid of freedom of thought. What if they lose control? I say, it’s art — take it or leave it, enjoy your freedom of taste and choice.

    Meanwhile I understand that the internet pornography industry thrives in Muslim countries. Isn’t Pakistan known as the world capital for bestiality porn? So much for Islamic morality, what we’re really talking about are their hang ups about sex.

    If Muslim men had better relationships with women and a more natural and normal view about sex, I seriously doubt so many would be so manic and crazy.

  3. says

    And let us not forget how the Islamic morals of Sayyid Qutb were equally “offended” by a sockhop at a church dance in Arkansas in the 1940s — light years tamer and demurer than a Lady Gaga concert in 2012.

    This “D’Souza Factor” of militant Islamic puritanism (where our envelope-pushing experimentation with sexual freedom is, notwithstanding the schizophrenically coexistent sexual depravity also cultivated in Islam, seen by Muslims as one major casus belli) is one of the most interesting manifestations of the uniqueness of this war contrasted with all other wars the West has ever faced. It is compelling some Westerners — with a puritanical bent of their own couched in a vague contemptus mundi about modernity about which, as a fait accompli they can only gripe and whine — to realize starkly that they can only gripe and whine (and they also might try rational persuasion in the free marketplace of ideas along with legal and peaceful activism) and that their continued irresponsible language flirting with obscuring the line between legal persuasion and vigilantism is, in this context, simply impermissible.

  4. says

    Lady Gaga would never have been allowed to perform in any Islamic society ever. Or, if she had tried the violent reaction of the crowd would have stopped the performance bi sura’ So this not evidence of Islamists increasing their grip on power in Indonesia

  5. says

    Oh weel. muslime in canada will have to use their Fall-back Pr excuse that it was ” The Jooooz” , or that these were untrue muslims that Hijacked their peaceful faith.

    Blah blah , blah blah , blah blah blah blah…….

  6. says

    Hmmm, I meant to say.

    Oh well, muslims in Canada will have to use their Fall-Back PR excuse that it was “The Jooooz” , or that these were untrue muslims that Hijacked their peaceful faith.

    Sorry.

  7. says

    “…Sharia states are oriented toward the good, not freedom, as their highest value. How would the ideal state of these authoritarian Western “conservatives” be different?”

    It would only be different in terms of degrees. As an example pertinent to what upsets them so much about Lady Gaga — gays in Sharia states face death sentences or forced sex changes. Jail time as a minimum. What exactly would those authoritarian Western “conservatives” do differently on that issue? “Re-education” camps come to mind. Bigger, government funded institutions even more focused than the one Michelle Bachmann’s husband runs: Bachmann and Associates Family Clinic to reform homosexuals.

    Those same people indulge in delusions that America was founded as a “Christian nation” and somehow the Constitution was based on the Bible and Christian values. Completely without any foundation, proof, or logic whatsoever, they rewrite history to suit their fantasies. America was founded on the principle that greatest “good” is maximum freedom for each person. Jesus had nothing to do with it, and Christianity and the Bible are not anywhere to be found in the document, except to say that you are free to believe in that stuff if you want to.

  8. says

    Before you continue half-cocked, it might be apposite to read about the concept of “civil religion” and its pertinence in American history by experts in the field, Martin E. Marty and Robert Bellah, inter alia.

  9. says

    ‘Abraham_Lincoln’ wrote : “What exactly would those authoritarian Western “conservatives” do differently on that issue? “Re-education” camps come to mind “.

    Yes – there are daily news reports about conservative western authoritarians, who want to send people like Lady Gaga into re education camps because they find her offensive.

    Happens everyday.

    What you wrote is a lot of nonsense.

    The ” reeducation ” camps do exist, but they are the off spring of the authoritarian left.

    They are called ” Sensitivity training classes “, and ” Diversity work shops “. Calling them reeducation camps is not good for public relations.

    Yep – those right wingers are a real threat to freedom…

  10. says

    Ever read Laura Ingalls Wilder? I wonder whether ‘Abraham Lincoln’ has ever done so, and what he made of her books, if he did.

    Children’s books can be very interesting, and Ingalls Wilders’ intelligent reflections upon her growing up in frontier America – which were published in the 1930s and early 1940s – are worth the reading: I commend them to anyone here who has not yet read them, especially to those posters and lurkers who are (like me) from countries other than the USA.

    And so, to others posting or lurking here: if you ever watched the tv series ‘Little House on the Prairie’ which was VERY loosely based on the series: ERASE IT FROM YOUR MIND. Just read the books, if you have not already done so. If you are not American, when you have finished you will understand a *lot* about America.

    ‘Little House in the Big Woods’ (1932), ‘Little House on the Prairie’ (1935), ‘On the Banks of Plum Creek’ (1937), ‘By the Shores of Silver Lake’ (1939) (to understand the railways, just read one chapter in that, in which Laura is taken by her father to see the men out at the advancing end, where the railway is being built over unploughed prairie land), ‘The Long Winter’ (1940), ‘Little Town on the Prairie’ (1941), ‘Those Happy Golden Years’ (1943) and ‘The First Four Years’ (a draft edited and published posthumously, in 1962, by Ingalls Wilders’ daughter Rose). Also ‘Farmer Boy’ (1933) which is the story of her husband’s upbringing on a prosperous farm in the Eastern states (his dad never went west like Laura’s dad did).

    Above all: read ‘The Long Winter’ (1940). It is very politically – and spiritually – sophisticated, and spine-chillingly powerful. The chapters that matter most? – ‘The Wheat in the Wall’, ‘Not Really Hungry’, ‘Free and Independent’, ‘Breathing Spell’, ‘For Daily Bread’. ‘Four Days Blizzard’, and ‘The Last Mile’.

    And then there is ‘Little Town on the Prairie’ (1941), the chapter entitled ‘The Fourth of July’.

    The town that has come through the six month blizzard – surviving by the skin of its teeth – celebrates Fourth of July. Someone reads the Declaration of Independence. Then Laura’s Pa begins to sing: My country,’tis of thee/ sweet land of liberty/ of thee I sing/ Long may our land be bright/ with Freedom’s holy light/ protect us by thy might/ Great God, our King’.

    And Laura Ingalls Wilder, looking back on that moment, writes “The crowd was scattering away then, but Laura stood stock still. Suddenly she had a completely new thought. The Declaration and the song came together in her mind, and she thought: God is America’s king”.

    There’s more; all of it pertinent to the issues raised in this thread: a reflection upon freedom, conscience and what Ingalls Wilder understands as ‘God’s law’. Whether ‘Abraham Lincoln’ likes it or not, that’s the way a young woman brought up on the prairies by two intelligent and by no means fanatically devout, but nevertheless churchgoing Christian parents, responded to one of America’s founding documents, and what it meant in terms of her own experience; it is also the way that that same young woman, looking back on her childhood and youth when she was an old woman, thought about her country.

  11. says

    “So this not evidence of Islamists increasing their grip on power in Indonesia”

    You’re right; they are not increasing their grip. They ALREADY have it; whether it’s officially recognized or not it’s completely besides the point. They ARE calling the shots. The government’s response gives it s smokescreen to pretend it cares.

    I would NEVER, EVER spend a penny of my money buying things made either on Indonesia or Malaysia if I had the choice.

    WAKE UP!

  12. says

    dda,

    Thanks for that wealth of recommendations of literature I’m ashamed to say I’d never heard of (and I’m American). I’ll try to look some of them up and continue my education.

    On a related note, I was reading about how Obama took his oath on Lincoln’s Bible. I’d be curious to look at the pages of Lincoln’s Bible. I’d wager they are worn from regular and frequent reading, and may have interesting notes he wrote in the margins reflecting a mind preoccupied quite differently from that of the eponym’s namerobber.