More than half of New York's Congressional delegation votes to punish NYPD for protecting New Yorkers from jihad terror

When even an energetic and enthusiastic dhimmi like New York's Mayor Bloomberg defends this program, you can be sure there is nothing wrong with it on legal grounds. These representatives are grandstanding and pandering for Muslim votes, and endangering New Yorkers' lives as they do so. "More Than Half New York's Congressional Delegation: Punish NYPD For Muslim Surveillance," by Celeste Katz for the New York Daily News, May 10 (thanks to Kenneth):

More than half New York's Congressional delegation voted to punish the NYPD for spying on Muslim communities.

Our Alison Gendar reports:

The mostly symbolic vote was aimed at getting the NYPD to stop any efforts to quietly monitor or infiltrate mosques, bookstores or cafes, and to get rid of any data collected on Muslim individuals not accused of any crime.

Rep. Rush Holt, D-N.J., introduced the amendment, saying the wholesale surveillance of innocent communities, many in his state, has not caught any terrorists.

"Contrary to the blanket assertions by some that the tactics have kept New York City safe, the NYPD failed to uncover two actual plots against New York City," Holt said, referring to foiled bombings in Times Square and the New York subway system.

Holt's proposal would have banned any federal funds from flowing to law enforcement agencies that engage in any form of racial, ethnic, or religious profiling.

The amendment drew fire from Rep. Peter King, head of the House Homeland Security Committee. He defended both the NYPD and its counterterrorism surveillance programs.

"I remember years ago when the Justice Department was going after the Mafia, they went to the Italian American communities. When they were going after the Westies, they went to the Irish American communities. When you're looking for the Russian mob, you go to the communities in Coney Island and Brighton Beach. That's where the enemy comes from," King said, according to a transcript of Wednesday's midnight debate.

"Ninety-nine percent of the people are law-abiding. But if you're looking for the person who is going to that community to carry out a crime, you look in that community. If you're looking for an Islamic terrorist, you don't go to Ben's Kosher Deli. When they were looking for the Italian mob, they didn't go to an Irish bar. They went to the Italian social clubs," King said.

The amendment was defeated 232 to 193....

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"Holt's proposal would have banned any federal funds from flowing to law enforcement agencies that engage in any form of racial, ethnic, or religious profiling."

Fine. Take away from law enforcement agencies a legitimate tool of their profession. Come to think of it, stop checking reports of terrorist plots. Ignore anything and everything in New York. Leave the airports free and clear. Ignore what goes on in the mosques. When the Empire State Building or another high-profile target is blown up or a plane falls out of the sky, at least you can say you weren't engaged in profiling (or much of anything else!).

All those who voted for this despicable resolution should be impeached. New Yorkers should throw them out in next election!! Theses traitors don't deserve to be people's representative.

Were any of the 193 turkeys who voted for this amendment Republican?

If Muslims are as innocent as the day is long, then they should welcome the most stringent checks because that'd prove beyond any doubt that they are deserving of trust.

Seems that they have something to hide if they object to any kond of scrutiny!

Clowns!

This has got to be Stockholm Syndrome on a country-wide scale.

This is why the war on Islamist terror will never be won.

Some people never learn.

If these dolts don't get it after 9/11, then my hometown may well be doomed.

Ignorant doesn't even begin to describe it. These are 193 STUPID selfdistructing people, hellbent on destroying this nation. Check out their votes on taking away CHRISTIAN LIBERTIES and I'll bet they voted 100% to remove Freedom for us.

Intense debate on personal freedoms renewed recently in Morocco after a young woman wearing a short modern dress in a Rabat market was assaulted by people described as Salafists.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/05/12/rabat-salafists-assault-woman-over-dress/#ixzz1ugAzkDN6

Youssef

The amendment was defeated 232 to 193.

The split ran along partisan lines, with only 16 Republicans calling to block funding to police departments that run such surveillance programs and only 8 Democrats voting against the measure.

Among New York's 29 congress members, three Democrats broke party ranks to support the police departments' efforts -- Carolyn McCarthy of Long Island and upstate representatives Brian Higgins and Kathy Hochul.

Queens Congressman Joseph Crowley, whose father was an NYPD cop, said the New York City police did not engage in racial profiling, but he nonetheless voted in favor of the ban.

The amendment was defeated 232 to 193.
In other words, congressional anti-jihadists won this round. The above vote count refers to the U.S. House of Reps., not just the New York members.
The split ran along partisan lines, with only 16 Republicans calling to block funding to police departments that run such surveillance programs and only 8 Democrats voting against the measure.

Again, the above count refers to the U.S. House of Reps., not just the New York delegation. It means that out of about 190 Democrats currently in the House, 180 of them, following politically correct craven conformism, but in the name of stopping profiling, in effect voted to make things easier for jihadists. Only 16 out of about 240 Republicans currently in the House of Reps. voted with the conformist Democrats.

Among New York's 29 congress members, three Democrats broke party ranks to support the police departments' efforts...
Twenty of New York's twenty-nine members of the U.S. Congress are Democrats. Seventeen of the New York Democrats voted for the cowardly PC measure. I don't know if any of the New York Republicans voted with the Democrats.

>"The amendment was defeated 232 to 193."

these 193 traitors should be defeated in the next election.

How frustrating it must have been for the Jews in Nazi Germany to be betrayed by Jewish traitors. This is similiar to that altough not that severe YET.

Thanks for that addtional information, exsgtbrown. I thought a few RINOs may have voted for it but 16 is way too many. Well, the split along party lines on this vote rather reflects things at large, to wit, a few liberals here and there "get" Islam and there are still too many on the right who don't, but the vast majority who do "get" Islam are on the right.

trech,

if you look back, America was doomed when instead of booting out Bandarm Bush parrotted Saudi message and pissed on hurting Americans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ZoroJdVnA

Then, Americans nailed their coffin by electing Barry 'God D**n America' Hussein, while ignoring patriot Tom Tancredo, R-Co.

Now, Barak 'Driver's Licences for illegals' has pocket 154 mil and America is really doomed!

lkeevy... and to think that the planes that took the Towers down on 9-11 happened in NYC and that these politicians have become so blind.. will they still vote the same when it happens again,, and you know it will with their thoughtless actions! as well as the obama regime caving into demands of the muslims groups like cair!

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Rep. Rush Holt (D-N.J., 12th)

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Civil Rights ACLU 100

Human Rights Campaign 90
Ideology American Conservative Union 0

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OT, sorta.
Now I review that imbecile Chris Christie's appointments to his state's highest court-
-One gay black guy.
-One immigrant success story guy from Korea.
-One immigration lawyer muslim guy.

What a political hack.


First we get rid of the politicians, then we get rid of the Muslims.

The 16 Republican votes are LIKELY close to ,or under the thumb of Grover Norquist.

From the article: "The amendment was defeated 232 to 193....".

Exsgtbrown noted, above: "Among New York's 29 congress members, three Democrats broke party ranks to support the police departments' efforts -- Carolyn McCarthy of Long Island and upstate representatives Brian Higgins and Kathy Hochul."

Memo to US jihadwatchers, and in particular, those who dwell in the relevant constituencies.

Write personally - on paper, by snailmail - to each and every one of those who voted to support what NYPD is doing (that is, they essentially voted to continue discreet surveillance of the Ummah, or Mohammedan Mob).

Thank them. Encourage them. If the person is your representative, be especially appreciative; indeed, you might even consider visiting them in person, if this is practicable. (You could always take along a copy of one of Raymond Ibrahim's articles on Taqiyya, or the Barnabas Fund leaflet - 'Islam and Truth' - which *also* explains about Taqiyya, and may be got dirt cheap from the Barnabas Fund website. Tell them how important it is that the NYPD continues its commonsense approach.

The three New York Democrat congress members - Carolyn McCarthy, Brian Higgins, Kathy Hochul - require immediate and special commendation and encouragement, for it is never an easy thing to 'cross the floor', so to speak. It would be interesting to find out their reasons.

Frankly, it might be time for New York City - and New York State - based Jihadwatchers to think about organising a public rally or some other kind of function to *loudly* express appreciation of and heartfelt gratitude for the NYPD 's efforts to protect America's largest (and iconic) city against the plots of Mohammedan Fifth Columnists.

Start at Times Square, site of the failed Valentine's Day jihad mass-murder plot, perhaps, include a subway ride (since the subway was targeted by a recent jihad mass-murder plot), and conclude at or near Ground Zero.

You might include a trip to the Chapel of St Joseph the Worker, pausing to contemplate the bronzes reprsenting St Michael the Archangel, official protector of police and soldiers, and St Florian patron saint of firefighters, and remember those police officers and firefighters who were killed on September 11 2001.

It seems to me that, speaking of spied-upon ethnic groups, Rudy Giuliani had no problem with the NYPD going after the Mafia, to which a couple of his uncles belonged (indeed, it has been said that as a prosecutor, Giuliani's rough treatment of the mafia was something of a personal vendetta over how it had wrecked his uncles' lives). So, is it any wonder that the more of Giuliani's record came out after 9/11, the more he became a legitimate "Man of Respect" to the whole USA?

I've also known Irish-American Roman Catholics who had absolutely no problem with the authorities monitoring NORAID and various US supporters of the IRA. As a [mostly] white American Protestant with a high regard for the Anglo-Saxon heritage of my country (even if a lot of us are "Anglo-Saxon" only by osmosis), I have no problem with FBI infiltration of the Ku Klux Klan.

From the article:

"Rep. Peter King, head of the House Homeland Security Committee...defended both the NYPD and its counterterrorism surveillance programs.

"I remember years ago when the Justice Department was going after the Mafia, they went to the Italian American communities. When they were going after the Westies, they went to the Irish American communities. When you're looking for the Russian mob, you go to the communities in Coney Island and Brighton Beach. That's where the enemy comes from," King said, according to a transcript of Wednesday's midnight debate.

"Ninety-nine percent of the people are law-abiding. But if you're looking for the person who is going to that community to carry out a crime, you look in that community. If you're looking for an Islamic terrorist, you don't go to Ben's Kosher Deli. When they were looking for the Italian mob, they didn't go to an Irish bar. They went to the Italian social clubs," King said."


Last year we didn't have the Jihadwatch Dhimmi and Anti-Dhimmi Awards.

This year I think we should.

And when we do, I think Rep Peter King, on the basis of the above remarks, should at least be a runner up for the title of American Anti-Dhimmi of the Year.

New Yorkers here present, write and thank him. Let him know that he has a solid wall of people behind him; that you have his back, so to speak.

Another round of letters to the NYPD might also be in order - again, most especially if you are a native New Yorker who lives in or near the Big Apple - to express your approval and appreciation of their surveillance program which is helping to protect you and yours. it will be easier for the boys in blue to soldier on - in the face of the flak and the screams of 'racist !' - if they know that there are lots and lots of intelligent, law-abiding citizens who agree with and support what they're doing.

Here is the full roll call for the vote on the amendment, so you can see how your own Representative voted.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll240.xml

Islam is the Religion of Peace.

Islam is a perfect and perfectly benign religion. And one must never speak otherwise. Or watch your back...

Just keep repeating the above mantras endlessly and all will be well.

Or will it?...

>>>

Top 10 Controversial Verses in the Qur'an

1. Fight non-Muslims

This widely known verse orders Muslims to fight non-Muslims simply because they do not believe in the same God that Muslims do:

Qur'an 9:29-

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."

This is just one of the verses in the Qur'an which encourages Islamic terrorism. This verse, together with verse 9:5 (the "Verse of the Sword"), has abrogated 122 peaceful verses.

2. A woman inherits half of what a man inherits

This verse says that a woman inherits half of what a man inherits:

Qur'an 4:11-

"Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left, and if there is one, she shall have the half; and as for his parents, each of them shall have the sixth of what he has left if he has a child, but if he has no child and (only) his two parents inherit him, then his mother shall have the third; but if he has brothers, then his mother shall have the sixth after (the payment of) a bequest he may have bequeathed or a debt; your parents and your children, you know not which of them is the nearer to you in usefulness; this is an ordinance from Allah: Surely Allah is Knowing, Wise."

3. A woman's witness testimony is half of that of a man's

This verse says the witness testimony of one man is equivalent to the witness testimony of two women:

Qur'an 2:282-

"O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards), except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things."

Related to this verse is Muhammad saying that women are deficient in intelligence

4. A man may marry the wife of his adopted sonMuhammad married Zaynab, the wife of his adopted son.

This verse suggests that the adopter may marry the wife of his adopted son and vice-versa:

Qur'an 33:4-

"Allah has not made for any man two hearts within him; nor has He made your wives whose backs you liken to the backs of your mothers as your mothers, nor has He made those whom you assert to be your sons your real sons; these are the words of your mouths; and Allah speaks the truth and He guides to the way."

5. Turned into Apes

People who broke the Sabbath were turned into apes:

Qur'an 2:65-

"And you know well the story of those among you who broke Sabbath. We said to them: "Be apes—despised and hated by all. Thus We made their end a warning to the people of their time and succeeding generation, and an admonition for God-fearing people."

See related: Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Islamic Silliness and Islamic Antisemitism

6. A man can have sex with prisoners of war

This verse allows men to have sex with women who are prisoners of war:

Qur'an 33:50-

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."

7. A man can marry a girl who hasn't reached puberty

This highly controversial Qur'anic verse prescribes the waiting period of a female who has not yet reached puberty thereby permitting men to have sex with girls who have not reached puberty:

Qur'an 65:4-

"Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy."

8. A man may marry four wives

This verse allows a man to marry up to four wives:

Qur'an 4:3-

If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

9. "Cut off their hands"

This verse orders a gruesome irreversible punishment for thieves, robbing them of a chance to rehabilitate, improve as human beings and become a productive member of society later on. As an example, Terrence Barkley got arrested on his 16th birthday for stealing cars but interestingly that resulted in him getting out of gangs and into college to study criminal justice at the University of Central Missouri. If Terrence's hands and feet had been cut off according to Islamic laws, none of this would have been possble.

Qur'an 5:38-

As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

Qur'an 5:33 orders the cutting off of the hands and feet of those who wage war against Allah and his Messenger.

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;"

10. "Beat Them"

This verse advises men to beat their wives if they don't obey them:

Qur'an 4:34-

"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Top_10_Controversial_Verses_in_the_Qur%27an

We ex-Muslims living with Islam's formal and informal death penalty for apostasy know for certain that Islam is an evil religion/ideology both in part and on the whole.

Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:

"One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur'an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way...

The statement continues,

Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified."

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Ex-Muslim Ali Sina's ongoing challenge to Muslims can be found over at Faith Freedom.org:

THE CHALLENGE

If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay

$50,000 U.S. dollars

to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:

a narcissist
a misogynist
a rapist
a pedophile
a lecher
a torturer
a mass murderer
a cult leader
an assassin
a terrorist
a madman
a looter

...You simply can’t disprove them because they are reported in Islamic sources and as such they are as good as confession...

http://www.faithfreedom.org/the-challenge/the-challenge/

With Muslims high fertility rate, immigration (10 thousand Muslims into the country each month), conversion (oftentimes by deceit or even forced), and more. The Muslim population will continue to grow significantly here in the US. Therefore, with their high numbers, their votes will continue to have greater weight. So this trend will become more prevalent and continue, of politicians pandering to Muslims.

Like how the Germans banned Nazism, unless the same is done for Islam, the Muslims will eventually take over the US.

Deport all Muslims, and Ban Islam. "Tolerance is a crime when applied to evil." - Thomas Mann

thamk you for the post DA and SS and to you D. so well said all and so well need to be "heard" by All Americans.


US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has hailed Algeria’s elections, despite widespread suspicion over results that saw the regime tighten its grip on power, bucking the Arab Spring trend of change.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/05/13/us-hails-algerian-election-despite-suspicions/#ixzz1ujl5VzRQ

Youssef

Phil,

Determined people bounce back, the vote was a narrow defeat, next time could be the other way round.

The bigger picture is that America is absolutely desperate to save itself from the self destruction of bankruptcy and loss of the $ as the world's reserve currency, your civil liberties can wait whilst they try to rescue the nation.

These people are not traitors, they are the true patriots.

Traeh, your home town is a very nice one, but NYers must face these truths. America has no savings, American banks give you no interest on the money that you hold with them, they could fold anytime, and the administration is desperate to show goodwill to people who can help ...like the ME who hold huge reserves of oil and and continue to hold about a third of American debt...enabling the $ to survive as the preferred reserve.

Of course all this preservation comes at a price and the mayor has to show his friends that though they are hamstrung by American bureaucratic tape they are trying to do the right thing to protect your future ...and you have the temerity to criticize them!!! where is your respect man...you will need all the friends you have in the coming years; get off your high horse, forget about 9/11 and learn to survive, the more you respect your friends the easier America will change to survive.

Rezali

The police dept in NYC are the one's who watched the Twin Towers fall like dominoes. They lost some of their own and their co-workers in other depts. They know full well the danger we face from Islamic terrorists. For them not to take a look at what is going on in Islamic communities is stupidity in the highest degree. As a retired police officer I would remind the legislators in NY to remember they were called to "protect and to serve". If you are not going to let them do their jobs, what good are they? NY legislators should hang their heads in shame.

Hello Ronald,

You are in a privileged position to know about the internals of the situation.

Why do *you* think that the vote was so close? surely they know your arguments, and yet you are surprised.

I am not surprised, are these people self serving? They are your people.

I too welcome the probing of Islamic terrorists, but to what extend should this be taken into our society is a balance that is often difficult to know.

There is mistrust, distrust, on both sides, I am sure the greater muslim community too suffers, but this is often not taken into account.

I still believe that my argument of protecting the American debt to those who hold it (i.e. ME and China) is behind this...

I know you too have a difficult balance to hold, keep the balance correct and we will all get along.

All the best

Rezali

You wrote to Traeh: '...you will need all the friends you have in the coming years..'

With a 'friend' like Islam, who needs enemies?

And then you added, bizarrely: '..forget about 9/11 and learn to survive,..'

If we forget about 9/11 we'll never survive! Islam is the enemy of all mankind. We can only be sure of survival when Islam has its component of violent jihad neutralized.

You're a clown, Rezali Mehil!


Pc patriotism would never have defeated nazism or communism.

Hello Buraq,

I did not mean to be so condescending - sorry.
You will need to move on from 9/11 soon and that is what I meant.

"Move on from 9/11"?

Never.

You wrote: 'I did not mean to be so condescending - sorry.
You will need to move on from 9/11 soon and that is what I meant.'

Move on to where? And what about the other 17,000 plus jihad attacks around the world since then? Do we 'move on' from them? And move on to where?

And as for being condescending, it comes naturally to Muslims. After all, your Al Qur'an says that I am 'kufr' and therefore '..the vilest of creatures.' (Qur'an 8:55)

And it's really a joke that a Muslima should offer fiscal advice to a society that has put its hands deep into its pockets to rescue the economies of Islamic countries that are poverty stricken due to mismanagement, endemic corruption as well as being crippled by the inshallah laziness!

Buraq,

Who am I to teach anyone about fiscal policy, you have some very clever people there who know about it.

What I am asking you to consider (if you willing to listen) is why 193 delegates would vote in that manner. Are they lovers of Islam? Absolutely not I'll bet anything on that.

No they did it to protect America's delicate global position by providing an ear to their debtors.

If the ME were to ask for their debt to be paid in full, prior to Nixon disengaging the $ from the gold standard in the 70s, America would have had to pay that debt in a transfer of physical gold.

You can imagine a fleet of Saudi Arabian ships stationed at Pearl Harbour being loaded with ALL the gold from Fort Knox onto those ships to be sent back to the ME. America would have NO gold left.

More important than the political embarrassment that the most powerful Western country would suffer is the effect on the value of gold which would absolutely sky rocket, prompting China and all others at your door to have their debt settled in full too.

If you think that the 1920/30s depression was bad...you cannot comprehend this situation on your streets...riots, anarchy, lack of food, civil war, breakdown of law and order..(all of which may still happen anyway)etc.

I put it to you that the 193 are not pondering just to muslim votes; that's just nieve simplicity....no they are placating those who they need to ...to stop this situation developing in your hometown.

Indeed I would say they are being very clever, ensuring that the Vote is still won (which they had known about in advance), whilst showing the ME leaders that they narrowly missed winning the vote AND still get to blame muslims for the vote in passing; It is brilliant strategy...that is what is REALLY happening here.

Rezali

The more you write, the wider the gaps that appear in your 'logic'.

First, the US dollar is universally known as a 'safe haven'. Whenever there's trouble, people buy dollars. And the gold standard disappeared decades ago. All currencies are valued relative to each other, not on a gold standard. (Google the 'Bretton Woods' agreement)

And your apocalyptic 1930s scenario is just nonsense! Warren Buffet says that US banks are 'liquid', so I'll take his word against yours any day.

Finally, the 193 dhimmwits who voted to allow Islam to set up bridgeheads in the US to make further 9/11 type attacks are simply PC fodder. They are red-nosed, baggy-trousered, wire-wigged clowns!

Like you!

"You will need to move on from 9/11 soon and that is what I meant."

Really? Wouldn't you, Imam Rauf, Daisy K, KSM, Aiman-Al-Zawhiri like that? Just like the 'War on Terror is over'? Play dumb doormats for Khilafat / Sharia / Islam?

Tell you what. Why don't you start? Move on from Palestine? Then, we'll talk.

And the Islamic world will have to move on from the Crusades, being turned back at Vienna, the long Ottoman decline, and the re-establishment of the State of Israel.

BTW, I'm also for turning the bums out in November.

Rezali Mehil replied to comment from Buraq | May 13, 2012 4:53 AM | Reply

Hello Buraq,

You will need to move on from 9/11 soon and that is what I meant.

ImNoDhimmi replied to comment from Rezali Mehil | May 13, 2012 5:07 AM | Reply

"Move on from 9/11"?

Never.

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Actually, the problem is that, pace this one rational program by the NYC police and a few other fragmentary bits of good news here and there over these lean years, most of NYC, most of the USA, most of America, and most of the entire West has already moved on from 911.

Indeed, we never were really there in the first place.

The US and the West have never properly stayed with 911, to properly learn its lessions and translate that learning into rational policy to defend our societies for the long haul of what is obviously the renewal of a perennial Jihad against "Rome" but which, for complex historical reasons, had to be put on hold by Muslims for the past approximately 300 years -- for which epochal renewal and revival of Islam's right to take the world 911 represents the shining beacon, the clarion call, the rallying cry, the "first shot across the bow" to inspire and galvanze its hundreds of millions of minions to do jihad in all its many-splendored variety, ranging from the Jihad of the Pen & Mouse (apparently Rezal's forte), to the Jihad of Taqiyya (closely related to the aforementioned), to the Jihad of the Hijra (immigration in mass numbers into the Dar-al-Harb), to the Demiographic Jihad (whose soldiers are women and their weaopns their wombs), to Jihad of Infiltration (aka "Stealth Jihad", a deeper penetration than mere immigration of uncouth Pakis who take up jobs as taxi drivers and convenience store clerks, but rather of more polished Muslims who burrow deeper into our institutions, like this sterling example,
Nazir Afzal, Acting Chief Crown Prosecutor for London, whose ostensibly impeccable credentials and cgarns seem to have impressed two Jihad Watch readers ("tindrum" and "Buraq") already); on to hotter forms of Jihad which themselves have many varieties (the Sudden Jihad Syndrome, the Lone Wolf, the Dry Run, and never to neglect: the deadly serious WMD attack that requires years, even decades, to plan-- and not, pace most the snoozing West, a mere, practically criminal "act of terrorism" by a TMOEWATHI (Tiny Minority of Extremists Who Are Trying to Hijack Islam)).

Bernard Lewis, renowned historian of Islam and the Middle East, says Islam imposes, without limit of time or space, the duty to subjugate non-Muslims

In The Political Language of Islam, p. 73:

"...it is the duty of those who have accepted them [Allah's word and message] to strive unceasingly to convert or at least to subjugate those who have not. This obligation is without limit of time or space. It must continue until the whole world has either accepted the Islamic faith or submitted to the power of the Islamic state.”

For the benefit of the Mohammedtroll ( Reza Aslan, is that you? or Naseem/ Dee Walid/ and other pseudonyms? the style is familiar).

The items below represent the thinking of a significant - and increasing - number of free non-Muslims. (There are of course, also, apostates, defectors from the Ummah or Mohammedan Mob, among our number).

Their number is growing, slowly but steadily, all over the West; and also beyond it, in parts of Christianised Africa, and in India; there are people from the Philippines and from Latin America who read here, too, a few who post, probably more who read. And learn. And think. And draw conclusions. And the more of them there are, the more likely it becomes that things will 'flip' against Islam, and perhaps quite suddenly and surprisingly.


http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/10/fireside-chat-with-ummah.html#more

Saturday, October 08, 2011
A Fireside Chat With the Ummah.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/03/i-am-john-doe.html

'I am John Doe'
A magisterial column by Michelle Malkin (with video here):

'Dear Muslim Terrorist Plotter/Planner/Funder/Enabler/Apologist {and hey, let's cut to the chase: Dear Muslim - dda}

You do not know me. But I am on the lookout for you. You are my enemy. And I am yours.
I am John Doe.
I am traveling on your plane. I am riding on your train. I am at your bus stop. I am on your street. I am in your subway car. I am on your lift.
I am your neighbor. I am your customer. I am your classmate. I am your boss.
I am John Doe.
I will never forget the example of the passengers of United Airlines Flight 93 who refused to sit back on 9/11 and let themselves be murdered in the name of Islam without a fight.
I will never forget the passengers and crew members who tackled al Qaeda shoe-bomber Richard Reid on American Airlines Flight 63 before he had a chance to blow up the plane over the Atlantic Ocean.
I will never forget the alertness of actor James Woods, who notified a stewardess that several Arab men sitting in his first-class cabin on an August 2001 flight were behaving strangely. The men turned out to be 9/11 hijackers on a test run.
I will act when homeland security officials ask me to "report suspicious activity."
I will embrace my local police department's admonition: "If you see something, say something."
I am John Doe.
I will protest your Jew-hating, America-bashing "scholars."
I will petition against your hate-mongering mosque leaders.
I will raise my voice against your subjugation of women and religious minorities.
I will challenge your attempts to indoctrinate my children in our schools.
I will combat your violent propaganda on the Internet.
I am John Doe.
I will support law enforcement initiatives to spy on your operatives, cut off your funding and disrupt your murderous conspiracies.
I will oppose all attempts to undermine our borders and immigration laws.
I will resist the imposition of sharia principles and sharia law in my taxi cab, my restaurant, my community pool, the halls of Congress, our national monuments, the radio and television airwaves, and all public spaces.
I will not be censored in the name of tolerance.
I will not be cowed by your Beltway lobbying groups in moderates' clothing. I will not cringe when you shriek about "profiling" or "Islamophobia."
I will put my family's safety above sensitivity. I will put my country above multiculturalism.
I will not submit to your will. I WILL NOT SURRENDER. I will not be intimidated.
I am John Doe."

Posted by Robert at March 28, 2007 11:12 AM


And from the following thread:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/06/houston-muslim-leader-detained-at-canadian-airport.html

"As this jihad heats up in America and Europe I expect the "DLR" radar of the ordinary citizenry to tune up.

I've seen it firsthand in Israel and in other war-torn places in the world.

Having to live like this really sucks but once you realize that it is the DLR's who are here to kill you and your family, you kinda get used to it.

"Oh sorry, "DLR" = "Doesn't Look Right".

Examples: a guy with a coffee filter on his head wearing a heavy winter coat in the middle of summer; another guy with all the hair on his arms shaved off, going through the airport checkpoint; and how about the guy with the tablecloth and fanbelt in his head as he makes his way into the baseball stadium to watch the big game.

"I predict that within the year "DLR" will be part of the common American lexicon.

{Not quite: but Americans - and the rest of us Infidels - are on the way...dda}

'Bad news folks: this is not a movie, this is real. These guys are already in motion. They intend to kill you, your children, your spouses, your neighbors, and your friends. If you want to stay alive and if you want your family to stay alive, then I suggest you learn how to spot the DLR who is here to kill you and that you learn well because you may only have seconds to react.

'I speak from terrifying personal experience. I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for five years and have traveled in war-torn countries. I have had a 15-year old kid in fatigues point an AK47 in my face at an impromptu shakedown robbery roadblock in east Africa and have dodged the crossfire in a southeast asian civil war.

'Once you experience it firsthand, believe me, the DLR instinct develops very quickly.

'As more Americans and western Europeans experience it, all the PC dhimmitude tendencies will fade in short order.

'Here's a picture that might help you focus, a picture that the jihadists have had for a long time so don't think that posting it here is giving them any ideas that they haven't already thought about:

'Coordinated commando style raids in a half dozen American cities, on elementary schools. They don't care if they survive, they're on their way to paradise. They're only interested in causing as much pain and suffering on the unbelievers as possible. Who needs WMD? Just start killing children with ultra low-tech small arms. They're all just going to grow up to be more infidels anyway, so no harm, no foul, right? Why knock down a bridge, dam or building? The Americans will just put another one back up, and maybe even better. Start killing their children...

'Who's going to stop THAT?! Your local police? I can hear it now, "Hello, 911? A van full of guys with rags wrapped around their heads with assault rifles, RPGs, hand grenades and enough ammo to kill a thousand people, have pulled up to the elementary school next door and are charging around the building killing all the kids. How soon can you get the SWAT guys on the scene?"

'So there's an image that sucks, doesn't it? Get used to it.

'The jihadies have tried to do this in Israel for years. Why don't we ever hear about it?

'It's because the Israeli schools are impregnable and the school buses are armored, plus the DLRs get dropped by armed Israeli citizens when they try."

Posted by: DrMack at June 14, 2004 11:38 PM


Consider yourself 'on notice', Mohammedan.

You may dismiss these writings as trivial, or as empty words, but believe me, they are not. And there *are* politicians, and aspiring politicians, and people yet to throw their hats in the ring but who will do so at some point in the next two to ten years, all over the Infidel world, who share or are beginning to share the knowledge and the thoughts expressed in those three pieces of writing that I have just quoted and linked.

Well, thank God it *was* defeated. I sincerely hope those who voted *against* did so for decent reasons; ie wanting to keep their fellow citizens safe, and not just for the sake of votes.

I've never been to the 'Big Apple', but have always wanted to: it would be a tragedy beyond bearing if political whores are allowed to oversee the murder of their citizens, and the destruction of iconic symbols, in order to gain themselves some muslim votes.

And I truly believe it really does come down to that. PC/MC rubbish is simply a smokescreen for their desire to retain *power* and all the perks that go with it. There are very, very few men in politics (present day ) of the stature of Geert Wilders and Paul Weston.

Very, very few intellectuals of the stature of Robert Spencer and Douglas Murray. Very, very few honest people in the public eye of the stature of Pamela Gellar, Melanie Philips et al.

Very, very few ordinary people of the stature of Tommy Robinson - I'm well aware he isn't perfect, but my abiding memory of him ripping down the black flag of jihad , in the face of snarling, shrieking, spitting muslims, will never be erased.

Probably not Wellington. But with a New York politician, it's hard to tell. I feel bad for the people of New York and America for having to put up with these sorry politicians that were unwittingly voted into office. Remember them in November.

Well, thank God it *was* defeated. I sincerely hope those who voted *against* did so for decent reasons; ie wanting to keep their fellow citizens safe, and not just for the sake of votes.

I've never been to the 'Big Apple', but have always wanted to: it would be a tragedy beyond bearing if political whores are allowed to oversee the murder of their citizens, and the destruction of iconic symbols, in order to gain themselves some muslim votes.

And I truly believe it really does come down to that. PC/MC rubbish is simply a smokescreen for their desire to retain *power* and all the perks that go with it. There are very, very few men in politics (present day ) of the stature of Geert Wilders and Paul Weston.

Very, very few intellectuals of the stature of Robert Spencer and Douglas Murray. Very, very few honest people in the public eye of the stature of Pamela Gellar, Melanie Philips et al.

Very, very few ordinary people of the stature of Tommy Robinson - I'm well aware he isn't perfect, but my abiding memory of him ripping down the black flag of jihad , in the face of snarling, shrieking, spitting muslims, will never be erased.

Jan, you wrote, of Tommy Robinson:

"...my abiding memory of him ripping down the black flag of jihad , in the face of snarling, shrieking, spitting muslims, will never be erased."

Well I remember that.

One wanted to leap out of the chair, upon seeing the video footage, and cheer.

The sly Rezali Mehil wrote:

The bigger picture is that America is absolutely desperate to save itself from the self destruction of bankruptcy and loss of the $ as the world's reserve currency, your civil liberties can wait whilst they try to rescue the nation.

These people are not traitors, they are the true patriots.
........................................

The idea that the United States—for all her recent missteps the most productive nation in history—needs the backward and static Muslim world to "save itself" could not be more ludicrous.

Muslim countries lacking the accident of oil reserves or a large, productive Infidel population are economic basket cases that would be unable to feed themselves without Western aid. Even oil-rich nations like Saudi Arabia are still—more than eighty years after its discovery—entirely reliant on Infidel know-how to pump and refine that oil. The main purchasers are Infidels, as well.

What would the Muslim Middle East do without the technologically advanced Infidel world to buy all that oil?

More vicious crap, replying to Traeh:

Traeh, your home town is a very nice one, but NYers must face these truths. America has no savings, American banks give you no interest on the money that you hold with them, they could fold anytime, and the administration is desperate to show goodwill to people who can help ...like the ME who hold huge reserves of oil and and continue to hold about a third of American debt...enabling the $ to survive as the preferred reserve.

Of course all this preservation comes at a price and the mayor has to show his friends that though they are hamstrung by American bureaucratic tape they are trying to do the right thing to protect your future ...and you have the temerity to criticize them!!! where is your respect man...you will need all the friends you have in the coming years; get off your high horse, forget about 9/11 and learn to survive, the more you respect your friends the easier America will change to survive.
........................................

The idea that what the West really needs to 'protect our future' is to surrender to those who *want to enslave us* could not be more grotesque. And to refer to American resistance to Jihad as "American bureaucratic red tape"-which will, presumably, be cut through in time by traitorous or clueless politicos who'll sell us out to Islam—well, dream on.

You're hoping that a moribund and barbaric Shari'ah state can live a good long time on the rich corpse of Western freedom and innovation.

But you haven't counted on those who are going to stand against you and your vile vision.

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