MSNBC: Don't expose Muslim atrocities; it will make Islam look bad

... and heeps of shame on anyone who says that all cultures aren't ...

as if personnal experiences aren't genuine ... even common

All cultures are not equal. Actually the truth is some are vile and despicable. Only liars or ignoramuses say different.

Pakistan is a lost culture too. Swallowed up by the most vile ideology to stain this world.

You're right, she's doing everything except exposing the true culprit.
It's Islam stupid, not Mubarak' regime nor arab culture or african traditions.

(Video/graphic. Produced by the David Horowitz Freedom Centre)
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/07/oppression.html

pakistan is a raw sewage under the islamists which makes it a cesspool.
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Now that was a krazy statement. Pakistan is not a lost culture. Pakistan never existed as anything other than an Islamic state. The reason it was partitioned from India was to accommodate Muslims and give them a purely Islamic state.

There are many fine examples of lost cultures, but Pakistan is certainly not among them. You should be thinking more of places like Persia (Iran), Anatolia (Turkey), North Africa, and perhaps Dearborn as places where Islam has displaced native culture.

Mona in effect had acid thrown in her face by Harvard intellectual (but without compassion)Dr.Leila

Hope they read here,if only just for your post..oo

Pakistan wasn't 'swallowed up' by Islam. It is Islam.

An Islamic state created by Muslim separatists who couldn't abide Hindu majority rule in India.

In many ways the prefect metaphor for the whole thing. And that includes abject failure.

I know Pakistan is it's own country. My point was, they were all Hindu's who were compelled to become zombies of Allah/Satan.

Thanks, St. Patrick.

dewdds wrote:

General Q for any who may know: Do Egyptian Copts (or for that matter any Copts in neighboring African lands) practice clitorectomy? The prof claimed that some Christians in Africa also practice this.
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Alas, some do, Dewdds. The estimated FGM rate in Egypt is 95%, and Egypt's population is about 10% Copt.

There are also some Christians and animists who practice it in sub-Saharan Africa.

But the vast majority of FGM in the world is carried out by Muslims. And no Christian is claiming that they must mutilate their daughters for religious reasons.

Likewise, there are no Coptic priests in the West—or anywhere—asserting that the faithful must practice FGM. But God knows we have seen a noxious crop of Imams in the west saying just that.

We just recently had an Imam in the UK touting FGM, as well as a Muslim *doctor* at the Mayo Clinic (also an Islamic cleric) pushing the vile practice. He has been fired, largely through an effort spearheaded by JW poster CGW.

While FGM does predate Islam, Islam is the only creed that not only accepted the practice, but *sacralized it*.

I believe it is going to be much more difficult—perhaps impossible—to stop FGM in Muslim societies than with other faiths.

Mary wrote:

Sometimes it is not a question of politics, it is just plain, old fashion guilt and one should be ashamed of oneself. Anyone who does or condones robbing, abusing, raping, and murdering someone because they feel superior and because the other person is non-Muslim SHOULD feel ashamed of himself. Pointing that out is not a crime (under reasonable law).
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I don't think most Muslims actually feel ashamed about this at all, Mary.

But for something to make Islam "look bad" means that it presents an "obstacle" to the spread of Islam, since decent Infidels feel queasy over this sort of thing.

And under Shari'ah, non-Muslims are not allowed to criticize Islam at all—and this stricture is something that many Muslims want to impose on the West, as well.

The motive of useful idiots such as Melissa Harris-Perry is different, of course. They believe that the only 'real' problem in the world is Western prejudice and "Islamophobia", so Muslims must be protected from this at all costs—even at the cost of the suffering of women and little girls.

There is also the "politically correct" mandate that no non-Western group ever be made to "feel bad" about anything—even their own bloody atrocities.

There is also the "politically correct" mandate that no non-Western group ever be made to "feel bad" about anything—even their own bloody atrocities.

Yes, and Muslims have become the #1 Ethnic Group of all to be coddled, whitewashed and protected. This process has, perversely and paradoxically, accelerated post-911.

It's not so illogical however: it follows "Auster's Law of Majority-Minority Relations" (a law that pertains under the PC MC worldview, that is, which, unfortunately, remains dominant and mainstream throughout the West): Auster's "Law" is to paraphrase:

The worse that a privileged non-white non-Western minority behaves, the better it is treated by the white Western majority and the more the latter fall all over themselves apologizing for any "racism" they may be harboring.

The fact that Islam is not a race means absolutely nothing to the PC MC crowd. They look at Muslims and see a sea of non-Western ethnicities, a veritable and wondrous tapestry or mosaic of ethnicities which, being shades of non-white -- a good 20% of the crayons in the Crayola Jumbo Pack (with only a rare few of the "chalk white" variety) -- trigger their emotions of White Guilt, immediately followed by anxious concern to help and protect those poor Muslims.

And remember, the more that Muslims misbehave by doing the innumerable atrocities they do around the world and by vociferating the innumerable outrages against human rights -- the more the PC MC West bends over to try to placate them and whitewash their massively evident evils.

This perversely paradoxical "Law" will have its limits, eventually. Let us just hope that limit does not entail the mass-murders of thousands (if not millions) of innocent our men, women and children in various places around the West in the coming decades. The limit doesn't have to entail such a horrifically tragic concomitant: there is no "Second Law" that compels us to sacrifice so many of our lives on the Altar of Political Correctness. We can turn this ship around in time. And one small but important part of turning that ship around involves our not being afraid to step on PC MC toes & eggshells, for fear that they may call us "racist" or "fascist" when we are obviously not.

For starters -- Stop being afraid of sounding 'racist' with regard to Muslims! Don't go on the defensive and insist, trying anxiously to coax the PC MC monster with the soothing mantra, "Oh but Islam is not a race! There, there, PC MC Beast, have mercy upon me!" Nah, fuck 'em. Before we achieve the rational sanity of deporting all Muslims, we need racial profiling in our public places predicated upon, in part, the methodology of isolating anyone who looks like a Muslim, which process necessarily will entail racial factors, and then making sure they are not dangerous or part of a terror plot -- which in turn may involve several hours, or days, of inconvenience (and sometimes worse) for their preciously brittle selves. Etc.

LemonLime wrote:

The worse that a privileged non-white non-Western minority behaves, the better it is treated by the white Western majority and the more the latter fall all over themselves apologizing for any "racism" they may be harboring.
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"Auster's Law" is right on the money here, I'm afraid, LemonLime.

This is very similar to the pc/mc approach to the underclass, as well. Members of the underclass who work hard to get an education and try to escape it receive minimal attention, or are even regarded with some suspicion; those with low expectations, poor social habits, and petty criminal records get somewhat more attention; and those on death row are regarded as some sort of perverse "superstars".

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And remember, the more that Muslims misbehave by doing the innumerable atrocities they do around the world and by vociferating the innumerable outrages against human rights -- the more the PC MC West bends over to try to placate them and whitewash their massively evident evils.
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And idiots like Melissa Harris-Perry will be positively agog at the prospect...

"White guilt" has reached a level where it is no longer a corrective for actual faults, but an orgy of masochistic flagellation that makes its practitioners feel perversely virtuous.

Actually, while my thesis I posted above still stands, I hadn't watched the video yet. On viewing it, I note wryly that there are no white people involved in the discussion. There are two brown people (of the pale Middle Eastern variety), Mona Eltahawy and Prof. Leila Ahmed, and the airhead MSNBC host, a milk chocolate Halle-Barry idiot trying to sound smart.

The problem I outlined in my previous post pertains to a society, such as America, countenancing and even glowingly patting itself on the back for supporting all three of these individuals in various ways enabling our enemies -- whether in a grievously errant sincerity confusing femininism with multiculturalism, like Eltahawy; or whether in glibly idiotic spin tripping off her lovely tongue like the Huxtablishly named Melissa Harris-Perry; or whether in the more sinister Saido-Chomskyite anti-Westernism of Prof. Ahmed in her mannishly Robert-Frosty haircut sitting on her Western laurels in Western Academe from where she can work to undermine our sociocultural substance as surely as a rodent gnaws at the wiring inside the walls of a house.

Prof. Ahmed is an anti-Western ideologue; so she likely has quite a few like-minded colleagues to have lunch with in the Harvard cafeteria.

William A. Graham, Dean of the Harvard Divinity School (once the very heart and nucleus of Harvard), gave a speech in 2003 at an alumni event in Washington, D.C. (Note: Dean Graham is also the Murray A. Albertson Professor of Middle Eastern Studies at Harvard). Here are excerpts from his speech:

"Everyone, of course, posits September 11 as the watershed moment when Islam impinges on consciousness. That is a very sad commentary on our knowledge about this major world tradition of culture and of religion. What is also sad is the kind of attitude that has been furthered by my colleague at Harvard, Samuel Huntington."

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"Starting with September 11 this so-called "clash of civilizations," to take the title of article and book, has now become a watchword of foreign policy, probably not only here but in other places in the Western world. In large part, this happened because it felt good as a basic premise for those who like to think about the world in terms of "the West and the rest."

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"Despite the sometimes admirable attempts of the current politicians here in the capital to make irenic comments about Islam and about Muslims, I am afraid actions are speaking louder than words. What I see, currently, is an unwillingness to think about Islam as anything except an "other" that belongs to some monolith that is the big, present danger in the world."

"We have the proclaimed new "Green Menace" that is supposed to replace the Communist Red Menace of our previous xenophobia. This one happens to be the xenophobia of the moment, and I fear that it may go on being that for some time."

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At the time I posted this on Jihad Watch back in 2007, Hugh Fitzgerald responded:

"Graham is a well-known apologist for Islam, and he dances to Leila Ahmed's tune, and possibly that of Diana Eck as well. Both Eck and Graham were enlisted by Ahmed in an attempt to get Omid Safi appointed to the Divinity School. But that was a bit too much even for Harvard's often-compliant faculty at the Divinity School. Graham somehow has managed to elide the tenure problem; denied it by his own department, he ended up as an administrator when a hasty replacement had to be found for his predecessor. One wonders if, as part of the deal, he was given, most irregularly, tenure -- despite that departmental vote.

"Anything, and everything, is possible."

About Omid Safi, search his name under Jihad Watch; you'll find interesting but, alas, unsurprising stuff.

LemonLime wrote:

Actually, while my thesis I posted above still stands, I hadn't watched the video yet. On viewing it, I note wryly that there are no white people involved in the discussion. There are two brown people (of the pale Middle Eastern variety), Mona Eltahawy and Prof. Leila Ahmed, and the airhead MSNBC host, a milk chocolate Halle-Barry idiot trying to sound smart.
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Well, you're right—and I knew that Melissa Harris-Perry, with her elaborately braided hair, is—no matter how nominally—black.

Oddly—or perhaps not so oddly, given the politically correct tenor of the times—she seems to be taking both positions at once: the African-American woman who frets about whether reporting black crime will make her own "community" look bad, *and* the de facto white woman who frets over whether acknowledging such embarrassing facts reinforces majority culture "racism" or, in the latter issue in the piece, "Islamophobia".

And good analysis on all three, LemonLime.

Brandon O'Connor wrote:

“Mona, I appreciate what you do,” continued Ahmed. “I would love it if – I understand if you want to get your message across. It’s an important message. But if possible [you should not] give fuel, fodder to people who simply hate Arabs and Muslims in this climate of our day.”

This is a threat. No more, no less. From a Muslim man with a status ( a male, elder ) to a woman,any woman ...a friendly reminder that she should watch her back.
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Actually, Brandon—as LemonLime points out—Leila Ahmed is female. But I very much agree with you—if this is not a physical threat, it is very much a verbal one.

And while Leila Ahmed may be female, she makes it abundantly clear that Islam and "culture" trumps feminism—even when it results in abused and dead girls and women.

What my whole post here deals with is "identity politics" in one form or another, which I for one am heartily sick of.

Of course "identity" and personal experience do color things, but I believe that we as intelligent and moral agents should be able to apply our judgment objectively, and not just through the often superficial prism of "identity".

When I hear of beatings, mutilation, and abuse of vulnerable people, I shouldn't have to check my gender, skin color, or what groups I choose to "identify" myself with before deciding whether it is 'OK' for me to be concerned.