Remember: the real problem is "Islamophobia."
Muslim says that a jihadi who murders Spencer and Geller would be doing humanity a great favor
Exactly, it's Islamophobia! Allahu fuckbar!!!
9:5 "Kill the unbelievers (mushrikun) wherever ye find them"
How? See also the Quran:
8:12 "...I (pedo Allah 65:4) will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks (beheading) and smite all their finger-tips off them." "
Ya know, the truth is the truth no matter who tells it. That is Islam's problem. They can only conceal the truth for so long. At least in a free country. People know whats up with Islam, even w/o Mr Spencer or Ms. Geller. You think, Muslims, with them gone, somehow they truth wont be known or revealed? You are delusional if so.
People know, that cat is out of the bag. There's nothing you can, do about it, well, except maybe quit being hateful, violent, supremacists bent on world domination and murder and oppression and teach your children not to be that way, and teach in your Mosques not to be that way. But yes, I guess that is asking to much, now isnt it? What would you do if you didnt have those things, Muslims? Hmm? If you couldnt hate; hate the jew, hate the christian, make plans for domination, kill, rape, abuse. I'm sorry, but YOU have made your religion be viewed this way. Not Robert Spencer. You cant hide the truth. Its global, and we all know what to expect from Islam. And its your own fault.
And no we do not accept your 'religion', we do think it is horrendous, and it proves to be every single day! Atrocity after atrocity...and even when you make a country Islamic, there is no damn peace you talk about! There is only hate, war, murder, rape, injustice. It never ends!
So grow up, and if you care do something to change that, and if you dont and you want Islam to continue on as it has been then we WILL fight you. Period. Get used to it or change it.
We are sick of Islam's gross injustice, oppression, blood-letting, human sacrifices, chop chop, rape, and hate hate hate! 24/7
You cant get over Muhammed not wiping out the Jews 1400 years ago and them not accepting him and Jews living on and thriving, you cant get over your sunni/shiite conflict, and that is the damn tip of the iceberg. NO, we do not accept Islam, get over it. If you like it so the f what, we dont care, but why do you so, so badly need us, the infidel, to say you are ok, Islam is ok? Just why is that??
Actually, killing a jihadi would be doing all non-Muslims a favor. That's 80% of humanity.
Re the blasphemy in Islam issue:
We need to keep highlighting Islam's violent and murderous intolerance for anyone who has anything critical to say about Islam and Muhammad. Blasphemy--any criticism of or discussion of the problems in Islam--is perhaps the major issue on which most Muslims can be shown to be not "modern" or "moderate." Unlike other issues such as apostasy or terrorism, from what I have seen Muslims when talking to westerners tend not to engage in apologetic denials and gymnastics about Islam's policies toward blasphemers. They instead defend strict punishments for, and (explicitly or implicitly) justify vigilante actions against, blasphemers. (Though they often don't cite any Islamic texts to support this, instead appealing western hate speech laws, western blasphemy laws, etc.). They may obfuscate about whether the penalties include death or other harsh measures, but the vast majority of Muslims agree that those who publicly criticize Islam or Muhammad must be criminally prosecuted and punished. In addition, the vast majority of Muslims are in favor of censorship of anything expressions critical of Islam.
In the U.K., 78% of Muslims want the Danish Muhammad cartoonists to be criminally prosecuted and punished. (The punishment wasn't specified in the survey). About 68% of U.K. Muslims say the same regarding anyone in general who publicly criticizes Islam or Muhammad. Since Muslims in the West generally come across, in polls, as more "moderate" than their coreligionists living in Muslim-majority countries, we can infer that the support for criminal prosecution and punishment of blasphemers in the Islamic world is much higher than the 68-78% support found among U.K. Muslims. The figure would be no less than the 68% figure, and probably would be more like about 90%. Another thing about the U.K. Muslim percentages of support for punishing blasphemers: They are far higher than the expressed support for "sharia" or "Islamic law" in general. That is, more Muslims want the strict blasphemy law in particular than want sharia law in general. That's how popular the blasphemy laws are among Muslims. Now when we consider that worldwide on average a clear majority of Muslims tell pollsters that they want strict sharia law, we can again infer that a far larger majority want blasphemy laws in particular. All the Islamic countries have criminal punishments for blasphemy, whether through direct appeals to Islamic law or indirectly through appeals to religious or ethnic vilification (laws which are used by offended Muslims to prosecute blasphemers). It is also not safe to criticize Islam or Muhammad in Islamic countries because of vigilantes, i.e., even less safe/more dangerous than doing so in the west.
Why do so many Muslims seem to feel that it is okay to admit that they support some kind of blasphemy laws? One reason is that, in talking to westerners, they can appeal to those non-Muslims (perhaps about 20-30%) who also either want blasphemy laws or laws against hate speech (where criticism of Islam or Muhammad is considered hate speech). Another reason is that Muslims may realize that it is so important, from the mainstream Islamic perspective, to get control over public expressions about Islam that this is one issue where they cannot afford to pretend that Islam is modern and tolerant by allowing such expressions to go unpunished and uncensored. Hence, while Muslims when talking to westerners can engage in extraordinary apologetic denials in regards to an issue like apostasy (an issue they may discuss differently when addressing other Muslims), to do so with westerners in regards to blasphemy would be like telling those westerners that it's okay to criticize Islam and Muhammad. Instead, most Muslims want non-Muslims to be fearful of criticizing Islam and Muhammad, or of offending Muslims in any way.
Thus, while Muslim apologists in the west, addressing western audiences, may be willing to apparently jettison any number of major objectionable aspects of Islam and Islamic law, they remain firmly in support of some kind of strict blasphemy laws. They may obfuscate regarding the word blasphemy, or about the precise nature of the severe punishments they want for blasphemers, but they generally say or imply that they support criminal prosecution and punishment for blasphemers.
The Islamic blasphemy issue is something we can use when presenting our case to our fellow westerners. The majority of westerners oppose laws restricting criticism of Islam, e.g., most westerners think the Danish Muhammad cartoonists (and their publishers) had a legal right to produce those cartoons. We can appeal to this majority of westerners by discussing Islam's blasphemy restrictions and punishments, while showing that the majority of Muslims, in contrast, support such blasphemy laws and are therefore not modern, moderate, etc. (This helps counter the 'tiny minority of extremists' assumption). The blasphemy issue also highlights the difference between two major groups in the west, namely the (1) the media, academics in the Islam-related fields, religious leaders, and political leaders; and (2) the ordinary citizens of the west on the other. Whereas those so-called "elites" in (1) tend to be in favour of blasphemy and hate speech laws that protect Islam, and don't stand up for western freedom of expression, the (2) ordinary citizens of the west oppose such Islam-protecting laws and will, when sufficiently motivated, stand up to protect that freedom. Thus discussion of the blasphemy issue helps us to illustrate the Islam problem and the non-Muslim enablers of that problem.
[edit]: "...censorship of [any] expressions critical of Islam."
robert: as a former muslim, may allah protect you!!!!!!!!!!
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| May 31, 2012 10:46 AM
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Hi Kinana! You said:
"We need to keep highlighting Islam's violent and murderous intolerance for anyone who has anything critical to say about Islam and Muhammad. Blasphemy--any criticism of or discussion of the problems in Islam--is perhaps the major issue on which most Muslims can be shown to be not "modern" or "moderate."
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I could not agree with you more, Kinana. So in reply, I give you this analysis, which seems strikingly similar to yours.
I limit my bandwidth usage to 15 sentences and a title…
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On Islam and the Aberration of Blasphemy
I
Blasphemy is a capital offense in certain, Muslim countries of the world.
But Blasphemy is, simply, an aberration, except in a personal, one-on-one-relationship with one’s God. Socially, it is an abomination, of course. How many Gods are there?! What about the Atheists?!
The problem with a charge of blasphemy is that the defendant (en pro- persona) or defendant’s counsel cannot examine the “star” witness for the prosecution – God.
II
Neither God nor Mohammed can confirm whether or not some form of speech was deemed offensive and/or blasphemous.
Likewise, they cannot tell us the range of required punishments for sacrilege (surely, there would have to be varying degrees; some slight, some more pronounced) involving a particular religion or its God and nominal prophet.
Christ can neither testify for the prosecution nor speak in defence of the innocent any more than Moses or Mohammed can.
In any, such, “criminal” scenario, the defence is deprived of its standing in the effort toward relief: Due Process.
III
God cannot be called as a witness.
A “successful” death-penalty prosecution of Blasphemy does not occur, except in Muslim countries; and no, similar event exists in the enlightened portions of the world, obviously, because men are innocent until proven not.
Anyway, the burden lies with the State; and the State cannot be the mouthpiece of God or Christ or Mohammed, no matter what some people insist. We are Free Men, whether the Supremacists like it or not.
The whole, “legal” notion of blasphemy is a backward, mostly-Muslim, societal aberration (deadly though it may be), and is absurd in the extreme.
Zacaton May, 2012
He is right. Without Robert Spencer the world would have been much better for these goose stepping bastards.
But what they don't realize is that if Robert didn't exist then someone else would have stepped up.
Too bad for the 21st century fascists - there will always be more Churchills to stand up to them.
So true.
''World would be a much better place without U2 !''
Silly muslim, U2 are a *great* band.
"Emptiness and desolation", that would be a world without thinking people.
Humankind would cease to exist.
A human thinks and lives, the other stuff vegetates and envies the human's freedom of thought.
Eating, going to the bathroom and hating does not make you a human, it takes more to qualify.
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It's disgusting that Mr. Spencer and Ms. Geller have to endure intimidation and death threats for speaking the truth.
True heroes, Robert and Pamela will not be deterred by such tactics, and if the senders of these threats think their bullying will work, they are mistaken.
Watch your back, Robert, and stay safe.