Poll: Nearly two-thirds of Egyptians want Sharia, end of peace with Israel

I tried to tell you -- back in January 2011. "Egyptians Want to Ditch Peace Treaty With Israel, Poll Shows," by Patrick Goodenough for CNS News, May 14 (thanks to Wimpy):

(CNSNews.com) – As Egyptians prepare to vote for their first post-Mubarak president next week, the antipathy towards Israel espoused by the frontrunners aligns with the findings of a new survey, in which 61 percent of Egyptian respondents favor abandoning the Egypt-Israel peace treaty, up from 54 percent a year ago.

The poll, by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, also finds a small decline among Egyptians in favorable views of the United States – now just 19 percent – while 61 percent of respondents said the billions of dollars the U.S. gives their country in military and economic aid has a “mostly negative” impact.

Asked their views on Egyptian-U.S. ties, 38 percent indicated the relationship should be more distant, 35 percent said it should remain as it is now, and 20 percent said it should be closer.

Among other findings:

--On the role of religion in government, 61 percent chose Saudi Arabia as the preferred model. (Turkey came in at 17 percent).

--Asked whether Egypt’s laws should strictly adhere to the Qur’an, 60 percent said yes while 32 percent said it should follow the values and principles of Islam and only six percent said laws should not be influenced by the teachings of the Qur’an.

-- Seventy percent of respondents viewed the Muslim Brotherhood favorably, down from 75 percent in 2011. The Muslim Brotherhood’s political wing, the Freedom and Justice Party, also received the highest support rating among political parties, 56 percent.

--Priority issues in the election are the economy and a fair judiciary (81 percent each), with others including free speech (60 percent), equal rights for women (41 percent) and religious freedom (38 percent.)

The foreign policy issue with arguably the biggest implication for regional stability related to the peace treaty with neighboring Israel. The agreement, hammered out at Camp David in 1978 and signed at the White House the following year, remains the centerpiece of decades of U.S. mediation between Israel and its Arab neighbors.

The survey found that 61 percent of Egyptians want to abandon it, while only 32 percent think it should be maintained.

Support for annulling it has grown in particular among younger Egyptians (up by 14 points since 2011) as well as among those with higher education levels (up 18 percent since last year.)...

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Bu... bu... bu... muslims extremists are a tiny minority!.

Keep denying the undeniable.

A Caliphate Is Coming - GBTV (Muslim Brotherhood in the White House)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjmT1uBgrG0

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If Egyptians no longer want peace with Israel and want to scrap David accord, by all means give them what they want.
Then Israel would be free to regain control of the Sinai with its oil & gas fields.

At the last count, what percentage of Egyptians were Muslims???
Mostly Muslims!!! Why wouldn't they want sharia in Egypt??I rest my case!!

Westerners should abandon their illusion of "moderate", "educated" Muslims not wanting sharia. If some one is a Muslim, you can say with 100% certainty that he will be pro-sharia and for its implementation. When Muslims born and brought up in the West are for sharia implementation, I am not surprised that majority of Muslims in Egypt are for sharia and are anti-West and anti-Israel.

And scrap that 2 Billion$ per year aid to Egypt pronto!!! They don't want us and we don't want them!!

I don't know about a Caliphate, Algeria has gone to the secular parties and not Islamic ones. But definitely the start of a handful of Islamic Emirates.

Apologies for O/T but there's been yet another Islamic pedo case in England where a follower of the perfect man was running a child brothel (no word on who were his customers)

A Carlisle takeaway boss has been convicted of attempting to recruit four girls aged between 12 and 16 into prostitution.

Azad Miah, 44, was also found guilty at Carlisle Crown Court of running a brothel from his business and paying for the sexual services of teenagers.

The owner of the former Spice of India restaurant had denied all charges.

He was found guilty of inciting four girls into prostitution, and cleared of the same allegation against two others.

He was also convicted of paying for the sexual services of two girls.

Miah, who was warned that he faced a "substantial" prison term, will be sentenced on Tuesday.

The court was told that the married father-of-four hounded and stalked the girls to try to persuade them to have sex for money.

He was described as carrying out a "cold, clinical exploitation of the desperate and vulnerable", targeting girls with drug or alcohol addictions, or with troubled backgrounds.

In his opening address, prosecutor Tim Evans said: "It is the Crown's case that the defendant deliberately targeted girls who fell into that category or who had other problems with the law.

"The defendant believed that such girls would be more likely to give in to his persistent offers... and they may find themselves less likely to be believed if they complained to the police against a responsible, respected restaurateur of the city."

The jury heard that one girl complained to police about Miah persistently harassing her in 2008, three years before he was arrested, but gave up when no action was taken.

Miah came from Bangladesh to England with his family in 1982, married his Bangladeshi wife seven years later, and opened the Spice of India in 2000.

The restaurant and takeaway in Botchergate is now operating with new owners and a new name.

Miah was convicted of paying one girl for sex a number of times when she was aged between 15 and 17. She used the money to fund her heroin addiction.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-18056504

Anybody seen this? al-Jazeera is reporting alleged Salafi Emirates appearing in Tunisia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Hx9--6ivA

If majority of Muslims want Sharia,divide the country between Muslims and Copts,and let them(Muslims) have what ever they want,and the Copts have thier own.After all Egypt was their own country,when the alienArab Muslims came with fire and sword to occupy it.

Yeah, see how that went with "Palestine" and Sudan. Civil War much?

From Robert's title: "Poll: Nearly two-thirds of Egyptians want Sharia, end of peace with Israel"

A couple of clarifications are in order regarding levels of sharia support.

1. Egypt already has some sharia, such as relatively watered-down (though by our western standards barbaric) punishments for apostasy and blasphemy, but not as much sharia as most Egyptian Muslims want.

2. From the article: "Asked whether Egypt’s laws should strictly adhere to the Qur’an, 60 percent said yes while 32 percent said it should follow the values and principles of Islam and only six percent said laws should not be influenced by the teachings of the Qur’an."

Comments: Polling by PEW on Egyptian Muslims also indicates that 81% want a strict application of sharia in every Muslim country, 84% want the death penalty for apostasy, and 82% want stoning to death for adultery. Polling by Gallup indicates that 90% of Egyptian Muslims want sharia to be at least a source of law.

I suspect that the percentage of Egyptian Muslims who want as much sharia as or more sharia than they already have, based on the above figures, is between about 81% and 92%. We get 92% as the top end of the range by adding 60% + 32%. Supporting strict adherence to the Quran (60%) and the more loosely-defined following values and principles of Islam (32%) are both ways of indicating support for sharia.

Strict adherence to the Quran (60%) alone (if that is the understanding of the question by some respondents) doesn't produce stoning to death for adultery (82%) or [arguably] death penalty for apostasy (84%), since both penalties are given explicitly in the Hadith, not the Quran. Moreover, adhering strictly to the Quran would lead to punishing adultery with either house arrest/imprisonment (Q 4:15) or 100 lashings (Q 24:2), not with stoning to death.

An interesting figure is that 6% of Egyptian Muslims do not want laws to be influenced by the Quran. One might expect that some of those would be opposed to sharia. However, perhaps only a small portion of them are opposed to sharia per se, because the poll by Gallup suggests that only 1% of Egyptian Muslims say sharia should not be a source of legislation, when asked that question directly.

What these comparisons suggest is that asking Muslims if they want laws to adhere strictly to the Quran is not an accurate indicator of their support for sharia. If we were to use it as an indicator of sharia support, we would end up underestimating the support for, and overestimating the opposition to, sharia.

Note: Update to my previous post: This most recent PEW study is of adult Egyptians generally, not just Muslims. Hence it is 6% of Egyptians who don't want laws to be influenced by the Quran. Most of that 6% is probably Christian. (Egypt is about 10% Christian, most of whom are Copts).

Anyways, because the poll was on Egyptians generally, the support for the sharia-related items is probably higher among Egypt's Muslims than this latest survey from PEW suggests.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/05/08/egyptians-remain-optimistic-embrace-democracy-and-religion-in-political-life/

Also note: 79% of Egyptians have an unfavorable view of the United States--a figure that again would be higher for Muslim Egyptians.

I don't doubt that the majority of Mahoundians want a sharia state and Caliphate...But I don't trust polls in general, and am suspicious of any Mahoundian poll because they are likely to say anything or nothing...

I guess the destruction of the tourist industry is still not complete - nothing a little Sharia can't solve!

margaritha stated": "If majority of Muslims want Sharia,divide the country between Muslims and Copts,and let them(Muslims) have what ever they want,and the Copts have thier own.After all Egypt was their own country,when the alienArab Muslims came with fire and sword to occupy it"

margaritha gotta wholeheartedly agree with smredneck with this one. Sudan already underwent partition and that is not good enough for the northern muz, the muzz north is still assaulting the south non-stop, among other izlumic goals, the south contains most of the oil wealth. You can bet your bottom dollar if the muzz were to attain their own territory in the south of Phillipines and Thailand like they are trying, they would STILL NEVER leave the north of these countries alone until they had seized the entire of these two countries and proclaimed them izlumic as well. They WILL NOT STOP even if given their own muzz "homeland" territories. Of that you can be certain. It is WAR against all and everyone until all worship ala.

You observed, in response to Margaritha's suggestion that the Copts secede (so to speak) and take *part* of Egypt to be their own:

"Yeah, see how that went with "Palestine" and Sudan. Civil War much?"

Sooo: don't resist jihad, don't fight for Independence from the Ummah, or Empire of Islam, because if you do, the Muslims won't like it and there will be War?

But the alternative is that the Copts all flee, or are massacred, leaving the triumphant Muslims in control of 100 % of the 'turf'...all of which once belonged to Copts, not Muslims.

Basically, why should *Muslims* be permitted to demand and fight for and gain 'autonomy' (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kosovo, and why should people accept as valid the Muslim demands for majority-Muslim states carved off from the Phiippines and Thailand, or for Indian Kashmir to be split off from India and joined to Pakistan and thus added to the 'turf' controlled by the Ummah, while everyone is or was *shocked!* - HOW DARE THEY! oh dear, there will be CIVIL WAR!! we can't have *that*! - when *non-Muslims* (the Jews in Mandatory 'Palestine' [which was historic eretz Israel, the ancient traditional homeland of the Jews, chockful of ancestral Jewish historic and sacred sites], the Indians in India, the non-Muslims in southern/ middle Nigeria, the non-Muslim indigenes of East Timor (and, too, today, the Melanesian Christians and animists in West Papua, to which the Muslim Javanese Indonesians have not a *shred* of any valid ethnic or historic connection] the non-Muslims in southern Sudan, fed up with being attacked and victimised and exploited and mass-killed by Muslims, demand or even achieve separation from *Muslims* in a state of their own, and proceed to use force to resist the violent Muslim attempts to force them back under the yoke of the Empire of Islam?

Do you mean to imply that the South Sudanese shouldn't have seceded but rather, continued to put up with being raped, enslaved, robbed and mass-murdered as dhimmis within a Muslim-ruled Sudan, and that the Jews should have submitted to becoming dhimmis in an Arab Islamic 'state' of 'Palestine'? They should have submitted, because their refusal to submit - their bid for freedom - has been met with massive violence by the surrounding Muslims who used to be their masters?

**Of course** if the Copts were, say, to move en masse to Sinai and claim it for their own as a Nova Aegyptia, a secular majority-Christian state, there would be war; Egypt would attack them. They would have to fight tooth and nail to defend their newly-claimed freedom in their new state...just as the South Sudanese will have to keep on fighting if they mean to preserve *their* newly-claimed freedom and independence, and just as Israel has had to fight from the moment of its birth, to defend itself against the neverending Jihad.

But so what?

Does the fact that Muslims will and do ceaselessly make war upon any dhimmi community, or for that matter, *any* Infidel community, that dares to seek or to enact a right to *not* live under the Scimitar, invalidate the right of those dhimmis, or those Infidels, to desire, seek and even *claim* that freedom and (if achieved) defend it?

swami,

When a poll result is in doubt, check it against some other indicator to see if it is consistent. In this case, the opinion polling results re support for sharia are at least roughly consistent with the Egyptian voting results, i.e., large majority of support for "Islamist" (strongly pro-sharia) parties in sum (mainly Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Nour).

Otherwise, I agree with your caution about Islam-sympathetic polls. E.g., Gallup polls show that most Muslims want "democracy" and "freedom of expression," those these pollsters don't mention that Muslims are quite different from Westerners in how they understand these concepts. E.g., for most Muslims, democracy is a chance to vote in more sharia, and freedom of expression does not include freedom to criticize Islam and Muhammad.

DDa I don't think smredneck meant that christians and others should not fight to resist sharia. I will go out on a limb here and state he thinks, like I do, that it meant that the muzz will NEVER be satisfied if they are given their own state in disputed terrorities. They will take whatever they are given and STILL fight to get EVERYTHING ELSE!

Just more proof that Islam does terrible things to the mind---and to women---and to freedom---and to equality under the law---and to the human condition in general, whether in Egypt or elsewhere. In this last respect, Islam is very much in keeping with ALL totalitarian ideologies, to wit, none ever advance the human condition though invariably claiming to do so, and often times seeming to do so with the help of enablers (here Duranty of The New York Times comes first and foremost to mind, though there are many other "worthy" candidates).

Islam has the "invariably claiming to do so" record here. In comparison, other totalitarian ideologies, like Marxism and Nazism, are merely junior varsity players. Pikers, nothing more. Oh yeah, Islam is in first place here.

Well, the West finally knocked down both Nazism and Marxism. Hopefully, it will be a hat trick, but political correctness and multiculturalism, each a creation of the modern Left and not nearly effectively enough opposed and actively condemned by conservatives, have done great damage, enormous damage. These twin idiocies have actually engaged in the ultimate folly and have given the green light to a totalitarian ideology which is also a religion (hey, who ever said that a religion has to be good?) and, concerning which religion, has made a sorry-ass mess wherever it has dominated (please, spare me, the so-called glories of the medieval Islamic world---they were not so great, often not performed by Muslims and, even when performed by Muslims, were still not so great and/or often in contradiction of basic Islamic tenets---e.g., both Avicenna and Averroes pale in comparison to the intellectual architecture put forth by Thomas Aquinas and, as well, were each in trouble with Islamic authorities in their lifetime and afterwards).

Bottom line: Islam shackles the mind and the body. There are few givens in life but Islam's destructiveness of the human sprit is one of them. Want proof? Just look at Egypt---a land which should have built upon the best of ancient Egypt, with its some thirty dynasties, and the Roman Empire which followed, but which has not yet done so, compliments principally of Islam.

I guess Obama & Hillary will probably figure they need to dump even more billions of taxpayer money on the Egyptians to make them nice. Given Obama's control over other people's money (national security you know) he can be real generous to his fellow Muslims - it's only your money.

The Egyptians don't want our money...let's quit forcing it upon them...cut the purse strings...

If Egypt is stupid enough to cancel the treaty then they can be stupid enough to lose the Sinai again.
Only this time Israel lets make this permanent.

I thought that in case of Sudan, secession has been successful. Of course, North Sudan still wants to do a reconquest war of the south, but hopefully, the SLA can keep them @ bay.

If the Copts can concentrate in a place - say Luxor - and demand that bit of Egypt (no point demanding any portion of the Nubian or Libyan deserts), then that would be worth it as well. Or another solution - resettle all Copts in the Sinai and make them an independent country b/w Cairo and Israel.

On the other question in the poll, if the Egyptians want to end the peace treaty w/ Israel - something easy to understand since most Egyptians today probably weren't around to experience the humiliations of 1967 or 1973 - I say give it to them. Let them do something that violates the treaty, and let Israel attack Egypt and re-annex the Sinai. Force Egypt to split Suez Canal revenues w/ it, and just flood Sinai w/ Jewish settlers, but this time, after annexing the Sinai to Israel.

This is beyond all understanding.

"Seventy percent of respondents viewed the Muslim Brotherhood favorably, down from 75 percent in 2011. The Muslim Brotherhood’s political wing, the Freedom and Justice Party, also received the highest support rating among political parties, 56 percent."

Seriously all kaffirs should leave Islam ASAP. Because it will take 100's of years to liberate Islam with regard for civil rights and freedom of speech.

If Egypt renounces the peace treaty with Israel, then Israel is fully entitled to re-occupy the entire Sinai Penninsula, which it conquered in the 1967 war with Egypt. No Muslim nation has ever in history withdrawn from conquered land, and the Israelis were fools to do so on no other premise than a piece of paper and an empty promise.

If Egypt renounces the peace treaty with Israel, then the USA is obligated to terminate all military and economic aid to Egypt, as a peace treaty with Israel was a condition of such aid that has cost the USA tens of BILLIONS of dollars over the last three decades.

Actually, the deserts away from the Nile Valley nurtured generations of Coptic ascetics and monks from the days of Saint Anthony and his Desert Fathers back in the 4th century and on. Carve out a nice section of Upper Egypt for the Copts and be sure it has an outlet on the Red Sea and any mineral wealth there might be on either side of the Nile Valley.

Or, better, scream, shout, and yell about the plight of the native Christian populations in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Turkey, and demand, demand, demand that these countries meet an American or British standard of respect for these communities' rights. Accuse every Leftist Westerner who tries to be "statesmanlike" and downplay the problem of being a bigot and hypocrite. Send delegations to mosques after Friday prayers demanding that Imams in the West speak up for the rights of Christians in the old countries to prove that these Imams are worthy of a place in the Western world.

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