"They're engaging in jihad in a courtroom"

9/11 defendants seize the opportunity for dawah, to the disgust of 9/11 family members. "'They're engaging in jihad in a courtroom,'" by Verena Dobnik and Samantha Gross for the Associated Press, May 5:

NEW YORK -- Moans, sighs and exclamations erupted Saturday as relatives of 9-11 victims watched four closed-circuit TV feeds from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, that showed the self-proclaimed mastermind of the attacks and co-defendants trying to slow their arraignment, a move that drew outbursts from viewers of "Come on, are you kidding me?"

"It's actually a joke; it feels ridiculous," said Jim Riches, whose firefighter son, Jimmy, died at the World Trade Center. Riches watched the hearing from a movie theater at Fort Hamilton in New York City, one of four U.S. military bases where the arraignment was broadcast live for victims' family members, survivors and emergency personnel who responded to the attacks.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the other defendants were arraigned on charges that include terrorism and murder, the first time in more than three years that they appeared in public. During the hearing, they generally refused to cooperate.

Like other relatives, Riches expressed frustration.

"It's been a mess for 11 years," Riches said as he stood in the rain during a break in the proceedings. "It looks like it's going to be a very long trial. ... They want what they want."

Riches, himself a retired firefighter who worked digging up remains in the days after 9-11, said he hoped that if convicted the five men would be executed.

"I saw what they did to our loved ones -- crushed them to pieces," he said.

About 60 people representing 30 families were in the theater at Fort Hamilton, where the military provided chaplains and grief counselors, Riches said. The other bases providing feeds were Fort Devens in Massachusetts, Joint Base McGuire Dix in New Jersey and Fort Meade in Maryland, the only one open to the public.

At Fort Hamilton, Lee Hanson said he became deeply angry as he watched the delays being caused by men he blames for the death of his son, daughter-in-law and 9-11's youngest victim -- his granddaughter, 2-year-old Christine Hanson. All were aboard United Flight 175, the second plane to crash into the twin towers.

"They praise Allah. I say, 'Damn you!'" said the silver-haired retiree from Eaton, Conn.

Several people who viewed the proceedings said they have little sympathy for the defendants' complaints about their treatment, given the brutality of the deaths of the nearly 3,000 victims of the attacks. Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times and subjected to other measures that some have called torture.

"My brother was murdered in the cockpit of his airplane, and we will have to stand up for him," said Debra Burlingame, who attended the viewing on behalf of her brother, Charles Burlingame, who piloted the jet that hijackers crashed into the Pentagon.

More than a decade after the attacks, she said, "we're back in the game ... and they decided to play games." She added, "They're engaging in jihad in a courtroom."...

Relatives said they were frustrated that it's taken so long. When it comes to justice, "it seems like it's an afterthought," said Eunice Hanson, 2-year-old Christine's grandmother.

Indeed it is.

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In another article, I read where KSM, had used henna on his beard...Where did he get henna in Gitmo? Do they have a henna store in Gitmo, or does henna have to be imported? Someone had to step and fetch it for him. How nice of the authorities, Quran's, prayer rugs, halal diets, lots of ice cream socials, bingo games, and henna...Did KSM apply the henna himself or was it done for him at the prison beauty shop? Usually in high security prisons, the guards do not give prisoners chemicals to play with...How do they know he wouldn't drink it?...Well, once a jihadist, always a jihadist, henna or no henna, so you can expect similar disruptions until the curtain finally falls, in a year or five...

Sometimes the wheels of justice turn terribly slow, but they are turning. I know its not the Christian thing to do, but for unrepentant murders who are playing games in court, I favor an old fashioned execution. Put an old door on top of them and keep piling on rocks until they are crushed. "Hanging is too good for them" as the old saying goes. I want the victims to know that we will never forget what happened to their family members. I pray for you all and hope your ordeal will be over soon. Your loved ones did not die in vain.

Guilty, guilty, guilty.....!! Trial is over!! Hang them in public a la Iran style!!

Being the grotty roach that KSM is, he could well have improived on his henna-look, dare I say it, using his own fermented urine. %-)

Well! If you wish to see a prelude of this trial...just look at the antics and tactics that the OIC used in the United Nations to get their Defamation of Religion and Hate Speech Laws passed. These people and their kind are traglodytes!

And...by the way, Hillary and Barack and Boxer and the rest of the liberal cabal are in consort with these people. The OIC, that is. Hillary is surreptitiously trying to see how we can implement these laws and bypass our Constitution. For these, in this regard, I have nothing but comtempt!

One Man's Opinion,

The Cycling Tuscan

Ronald, you're right. KSM is unrepentant and turning the courtroom into a circus; something we would've gotten in spades had Holder gone ahead and tried him in civilian court. I'm for forcing liquified pork fat down KSM's gullet until his bursts. Or, just make sure he goes to Allah polluted.


How about defense attorney, Cheryl Bormann, wearing a hijab and calling for other women in the courtroom to wear "appropriate" (read: Muslim) clothing?

This was, she explained an act of "respect" for Islam.... so that the defendants would not have to avert their eyes "for fear of committing a sin under their faith."

Right. Never mind them causing the deaths of 3,000 innocent lives. Seeing a woman's ankle or cleavage is the real transgression that tortures the souls of these defendants!


Had she been born in Islamic countries Ms. Bormann would have been lucky not to have been bombed to smithereens for merely attending school... much less getting a law degree.

When our legal system can seriously put up such arguments, we are in bad, bad shape...

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What a disgrace. It makes me ill to see how long this has taken to even begin.

My heart breaks for the families. I cannot even imagine enduring such a thing.

"Had she been born in Islamic countries Ms. Bormann would have been lucky not to have been bombed to smithereens for merely attending school... much less getting a law degree.

"When our legal system can seriously put up such arguments, we are in bad, bad shape..."

Yep.

It would have been great if the judge had answered "So you want me to rule that the servicewomen in the court should be forced to replace their uniforms with Islamic compliant clothing?" and then play with whatever her reply would have been. Had she answered in the affirmative there is likely a military regulation that would have prohibited it. and the judge could have then played some more with her.

Judges need to make lawyers like this appear to be the fools that they are.

Don't forget the single-serving boxes of Froot Loops - it's a special treat at Gitmo and they trade 'em like cash.

BTW, d_s, people are really missing you at islam-Watch and are lamenting your absence. Do you plan on going back there?

What a great idea! I second that motion!

The Associated Press can't get some facts straight.

The Hansons are from Easton CT, not Eaton CT

KSM was not waterboarded 183 times. He was waterboarded 5-7 times, and during those times they poured water on him 183 times. Big difference.

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THE JIHADESTS AND THEIR SUPPORT HAVE REMAINED SEVERAL STEPS AHEAD OF OUR LEGAL SYSTEM FOR SEVERAL DECADES.

What makes us think that will change? They have been getting away with murder, even family members are killed in honour killings, acid attackes, Muslim woman are treated late second class citizens, while kaffirs are simply killed.

This is nothing new I have seen it since 1973. It's unbelievable that the administration, judges, Justice System, Dept. of Defense, Homeland security, the U.S. military, legislators, and news media still think the Americans caused these problems. Some how we brought it all upon ourselves.

I've heard Americans say, those 3,000 totally innocent civilians deserved what they got. Yup no court needed, it's all a clear cut case of Muslim haters, bigots, and murderous U.S. soldiers got what they asked for.

For over forty years our enemy has stayed two steps ahead of us, and laught in our faces, as they walked away winning everytime.

I don't expect that will change in the next few years. If anything jihadists have gotten stronger, and stealth jihadists are decades ahead of that. They are skilled enough to open doors and slip into anything they want to. Including but not limited to the U.S. military, our Justice System, Our FBI, CIA, legislature, the administration, you name it and they have a mole inside, and in some cases, in charge.

So I doubt very much that justice will be served this time either. Like I said, this enemy is decades ahead of our security, military, and justice departments.

If this is a game it's a very very dangerous game. Our last line of defense has been breached. When military moles start killing our soldiers on military bases in the U.S. we are in serious danger and clearly breached.

There are plenty of educated people trying to warn others and get the word out to the real threats we face. But few people are interested in hearing this scary news. So they are in denial. And end up blaming the very person whom is trying to help everyone.

I hate this kind of people, especially women like Cheryl Bormann, even more than those Jihadists.

"stealth jihadists are decades ahead of that. They are skilled enough to open doors and slip into anything they want to. Including but not limited to the U.S. military, our Justice System, Our FBI, CIA, legislature, the administration, you name it and they have a mole inside, and in some cases, in charge."

And the man in the White House

"They're engaging in jihad in a courtroom"
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That's *exactly* what they are doing—and the foolish judge is allowing them to get away with it.

More:

NEW YORK -- Moans, sighs and exclamations erupted Saturday as relatives of 9-11 victims watched four closed-circuit TV feeds from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, that showed the self-proclaimed mastermind of the attacks and co-defendants trying to slow their arraignment, a move that drew outbursts from viewers of "Come on, are you kidding me?"
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They aren't overreacting. This, from the "Non-Muslim female attorney for 9/11 plotters says all women in courtroom should wear hijab to avoid tempting her clients" story:

"The court hearing for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four co-defendants should have taken a couple of hours at most. Instead it lasted almost 13 hours, including meal and prayer breaks, as the men appeared to make a concerted effort to stall Saturday's hearing."
...

This is insanity.

More:

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the other defendants were arraigned on charges that include terrorism and murder, the first time in more than three years that they appeared in public. During the hearing, they generally refused to cooperate.
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And why should they? They don't consider a civilized Infidel court to be legitimate—they only thing they would take seriously would be a Shari'ah court. And a Shari'ah court would consider them heroes for plotting the murder of innocent Infidels...

It is up to the judge—the prime representative of justice in that courtroom—to keep order. He can't expect the Jihadists to cooperate, and allowing them to turn the trial into a circus will do *nothing* to make them respect the process—it will only encourage Jihadists in the future.

More:

"It's actually a joke; it feels ridiculous," said Jim Riches, whose firefighter son, Jimmy, died at the World Trade Center. Riches watched the hearing from a movie theater at Fort Hamilton in New York City, one of four U.S. military bases where the arraignment was broadcast live for victims' family members, survivors and emergency personnel who responded to the attacks.
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The victims' loved ones are being *victimized again* by this farce—and so are the rest of us.

More:

At Fort Hamilton, Lee Hanson said he became deeply angry as he watched the delays being caused by men he blames for the death of his son, daughter-in-law and 9-11's youngest victim -- his granddaughter, 2-year-old Christine Hanson. All were aboard United Flight 175, the second plane to crash into the twin towers...

Relatives said they were frustrated that it's taken so long. When it comes to justice, "it seems like it's an afterthought," said Eunice Hanson, 2-year-old Christine's grandmother.
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Little Christine Hanson would be 13 now, and just starting high school—probably just beginning to think seriously about boys and a career. Instead, it is over 10 years on from her brutal murder.

Here's little Christine and her parents the last Chritmas of her life:

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID2032/images/9_11_hanson.jpg

Here are more of the little children lost to Jihad on 9/11:

http://www.examiner.com/article/remembering-the-children-lost-on-9-11

More:

"They praise Allah. I say, 'Damn you!'" said the silver-haired retiree from Eaton, Conn.
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There is no reason to suppose that Lee Hanson understands a great deal about the tenets and history of Islam—but, where it counts, he appears to understand Jihad a lot better than those running the trial do.

vnbushman wrote:

I've heard Americans say, those 3,000 totally innocent civilians deserved what they got. Yup no court needed, it's all a clear cut case of Muslim haters, bigots, and murderous U.S. soldiers got what they asked for.
............................................

It's rare, vnbushman—but it is true.

I had someone whom I considered a good friend, and whom I had even considered a romantic interest at one time before I met my husband, who essentially reiterated the "little eichmann" attitude to those who had died at the WTC.

I remonstrated with him briefly, but soon found that he was quite serious. This was especially bizarre since he had many friends—including myself—who had done temp work in just the sort of businesses located in the WTC.

In any case, I was *horrified*. I had known that his politics were considerably to the left of mine, but I had just imagined such things as single-payer health plans, not *this*. I broke off the friendship then and there—something I had never done before.

I'm sure some others here have similar stories.

It is appalling to think that there are Westerners who are so self-hating that they would applaud—or at least condone—the murder of their fellow citizens by savage barbarians.

These are, for the most part, people who don't know and don't particularly care what the ideology of the killers are, but feel we deserve destruction nonetheless. Ugh.

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