Alice Walker refuses Israeli publisher permission to translate The Color Purple

Boycott, Divest, & Sanction neofascist antisemites!

Alice Walker is a racist who has failed to learn about Islam...

And of course no need to translate it into Arabic, because why would you waste your time reading anything other than the Koran???

That would be like Hitler denying Mein Kampf to be translated into Hebrew.

She's a racist, sexist pro-pedohammedan, Hamas scumbag. Nothing of value was lost.

"Alice Walker Refuses Israeli Publisher Permission To Translate 'The Color Purple,'"

Disgraceful, unwise, and absurd.

How ironic---the Arab Muslim world has so little interest in seeing foreign books, ideas and perspectives translated into Arabic (look up the unbelievably low statistics as to how many books are translated into Arabic each year)---and here you have Jewish publishers and a population interested and eager to read her work, and she slams the door in their face. Too bad this author will never have the courage to make a statement or a stand for the countless repressed and censored writers, artists and intellectuals in the Muslim world, who would give anything to have the freedom Israeli writers and artists have.

She doesn't deserve one shekel from Israeli book sales anyway.
NOTHING she experienced in the South is anywhere near what it's been like for The Jews over the centuries.NOTHING.
If the Jews had their choice they would have TRADED the Nazis for Southern RACIST DEMOCRATS any day of the week,and twice on Saturdays.

To be truthful, I didn't try to read her book. I saw part of the movie on cable, and had not the least idea what they were talking about.

I think we're agreed that culture in Israel has not taken a serious hit from not having access to her book in Hebrew.

Did Alice Walker refuse for her book to be published in Saudi Arabia, which forbids the construction of churches? Why would she and her fellow leftists hold a commission to investigate Israel? Do they remember when the Palestinian "guests" tried to overthrow the Jordanian king? The Jordanian army was slaughtering the Palestinians, who ran across the Jordan river into Israel, which allowed them sanctuary, at least for awhile.

I just wish I understood the mindset that loses no opportunity to bash and criticize a society that attempts to protect itself against a mass of enemies sworn to dismantle it. I understand what Jamie Glazov and David Horowitz have written about leftists. I just don't understand the mindset.

How would antisemites get the opportunity to show their hatred in a manner acceptable in the world, if not for Israel.

Israel makes antisemitism acceptable.

these looney leftist never seem to grasp how really stupid they are! she rails against Israel,, yet fails to realize that arabs have more rights in Israel than in any other ME failed islamic state! l wonder if she got any information on the plight of Egyptian Christian Copts> or any other Christians in the ME or even arab women! l just cannot get into the mindset of these leftist loons!

Alice is a fool.

No black person should *ever* side with Muslims or shill for Islam or - worst and stupidest of all - convert to Islam.

Muslims have been mass-murdering and mass-enslaving black people in Africa since the 8th century, non-stop. There are *still* black slaves - of Muslim masters - in parts of Africa. Muslims **ran** the slave trade in Africa. (Muslims also enslaved hundreds of thousands of caucasians, seized from regions as far apart as Iceland and Ireland in the west, to southern Russia in the east; and they enslaved millions of Buddhist, Hindu and Sikh Indians). Muslims - and that would include, I'll bet, the local Arab Muslims in and around Israel - see *nothing* wrong with slavery as such; because Mohammed took slaves, and traded in slaves, and because they see everything Mohammed did as permanently valid, and to be admired and emulated, Muslims see slavery as *good* and as something that they *ought* to be able to do...And black people whether Muslim or non-Muslim are viewed by non-black Muslims - in particular, by Arab Muslims, who see themselves as extra specially good superior Muslims, superior to every other kind of Muslim - as Slaves. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, when she went to Islamic school as a child in Saudi Arabia, was thrashed by her Arab Muslim teacher, and called (with contempt) 'Abeed'/'blackslave'.

And western slavemasters despite their cruelties - which were many, and inexcusable - never went so far as Muslims did; for Muslims used to turn black boys into eunuchs for the harems, by slashing off all external genitalia, out in the bush, sans anaesthetic, sans antiseptics. It is estimated that out of every ten black boys subjected to this sadistic 'operation', **nine** died, right then and there.

Somebody should tell Ms Walker about the black eunuchs who were still to be found in the harems of Constantinople **in the 1920s**.

And she needs to find out about Saint Josephina Bakhita.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Bakhita

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/saints/ns_lit_doc_20001001_giuseppina-bakhita_en.html

"Bakhita was not the name she received from her parents at birth. The fright and the terrible experiences she went through made her forget the name she was given by her parents. Bakhita, which means “fortunate”, was the name given to her by her kidnappers.

Sold and resold in the markets of El Obeid and of Khartoum, she experienced the humiliations and sufferings of slavery, both physical and moral."

The wikipedia entry includes this:

"In El Obeid Bakhita was bought by a very rich Arab merchant who employed her as a maid in service to his two daughters. They liked her and treated her well. But after offending one of her owner's sons, possibly for breaking a vase, the son lashed and kicked her so severely that she spent more than a month unable to move from her straw bed. Her fourth owner was a Turkish general and she had to serve his mother-in-law and his wife who both were very cruel to all their slaves. Bakhita says: "During all the years I stayed in that house, I do not recall a day, that passed without some wound or other. When a wound from the whip began to heal, other blows would pour down on me"'.

Then:

"In the Capital of Sudan, Bakhita was bought by an Italian Consul, Callisto Legnani .

"For the first time since the day she was kidnapped, she realized with pleasant surprise, that no one used the lash when giving her orders; instead, she was treated in a loving and cordial way. In the Consul's residence, Bakhita experienced peace, warmth and moments of joy, even though veiled by nostalgia for her own family, whom, perhaps, she had lost forever.

Political situations forced the Consul to leave for Italy. Bakhita asked and obtained permission to go with him and with a friend of his, a certain Mr. Augusto Michieli."

In Italy, of her own free will, she converted to Christianity; and in Italy, at a certain point, she was declared to be a free woman.

Sister Josephina was born free; seized and enslaved and abused by Muslims; and, finally, freed by Christians.

Alice is a fool.

No black person should *ever* side with Muslims or shill for Islam or - worst and stupidest of all - convert to Islam.

Muslims have been mass-murdering and mass-enslaving black people in Africa since the 8th century, non-stop. There are *still* black slaves - of Muslim masters - in parts of Africa. Muslims **ran** the slave trade in Africa. (Muslims also enslaved hundreds of thousands of caucasians, seized from regions as far apart as Iceland and Ireland in the west, to southern Russia in the east; and they enslaved millions of Buddhist, Hindu and Sikh Indians). Muslims - and that would include, I'll bet, the local Arab Muslims in and around Israel - see *nothing* wrong with slavery as such; because Mohammed took slaves, and traded in slaves, and because they see everything Mohammed did as permanently valid, and to be admired and emulated, Muslims see slavery as *good* and as something that they *ought* to be able to do...And black people whether Muslim or non-Muslim are viewed by non-black Muslims - in particular, by Arab Muslims, who see themselves as extra specially good superior Muslims, superior to every other kind of Muslim - as Slaves. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, when she went to Islamic school as a child in Saudi Arabia, was thrashed by her Arab Muslim teacher, and called (with contempt) 'Abeed'/'blackslave'.

And western slavemasters despite their cruelties - which were many, and inexcusable - never went so far as Muslims did; for Muslims used to turn black boys into eunuchs for the harems, by slashing off all external genitalia, out in the bush, sans anaesthetic, sans antiseptics. It is estimated that out of every ten black boys subjected to this sadistic 'operation', **nine** died, right then and there.

Somebody should tell Ms Walker about the black eunuchs who were still to be found in the harems of Constantinople **in the 1920s**.

And she needs to find out about Saint Josephina Bakhita.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Bakhita

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/saints/ns_lit_doc_20001001_giuseppina-bakhita_en.html

"Bakhita was not the name she received from her parents at birth. The fright and the terrible experiences she went through made her forget the name she was given by her parents. Bakhita, which means “fortunate”, was the name given to her by her kidnappers.

Sold and resold in the markets of El Obeid and of Khartoum, she experienced the humiliations and sufferings of slavery, both physical and moral."

The wikipedia entry includes this:

"In El Obeid Bakhita was bought by a very rich Arab merchant who employed her as a maid in service to his two daughters. They liked her and treated her well. But after offending one of her owner's sons, possibly for breaking a vase, the son lashed and kicked her so severely that she spent more than a month unable to move from her straw bed. Her fourth owner was a Turkish general and she had to serve his mother-in-law and his wife who both were very cruel to all their slaves. Bakhita says: "During all the years I stayed in that house, I do not recall a day, that passed without some wound or other. When a wound from the whip began to heal, other blows would pour down on me"'.

Then:

"In the Capital of Sudan, Bakhita was bought by an Italian Consul, Callisto Legnani .

"For the first time since the day she was kidnapped, she realized with pleasant surprise, that no one used the lash when giving her orders; instead, she was treated in a loving and cordial way. In the Consul's residence, Bakhita experienced peace, warmth and moments of joy, even though veiled by nostalgia for her own family, whom, perhaps, she had lost forever.

Political situations forced the Consul to leave for Italy. Bakhita asked and obtained permission to go with him and with a friend of his, a certain Mr. Augusto Michieli."

In Italy, of her own free will, she converted to Christianity; and in Italy, at a certain point, she was declared to be a free woman.

Sister Josephina was born free; seized and enslaved and abused by Muslims; and, finally, freed by Christians.

Sorry about the double post.

Well that settles the dedication of my next book. Thanks very much Alice Walker, racist and purblind fool.

Somehow, I missed that movie, despite its being on my "rent this" list. It isn't anymore. I'll never rent it now.

'Alice Walker's books aren't worth reading in the first place'

Was that line really necessary? Millions of people love her writing... some of us even also love jihadwatch. Do you really want to alienate us?

fwiw she has campaigned against fgm. And she does care about women's rights worldwide as you also do. You might find you have more in common than you think.

Obviously she's left wing and feminist... is that really a problem for you? Do you not want anyone on the left to support your cause? Why limit yourself that way?

The movies was excellent and beautifully made but the book IMHO was a real let down. I guess that the movie was sustained by the performances of Whoopi Goldberg and Danny Glover who created characters only hazed over in the book.
I haven't read any other books by her because the letdown was so severe.

She is entitled to her opinion, but so am I, and IMHO she is an idiot.

Alice fell down a rabbit hole, she ate a mushroom and has never been the same since...There is a song about that, part of it go's like this...

When the men on the chess board
get up and tell you where to go
And you just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving slow
Go ask Alice
I think she'll know

When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead
And the white knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "Off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said

If you want to know what the doormouse said, go ask Alice, I think she knows...

Alice Walker, like Russell Banks, Gore Vidal, John Updike, and most of the modern literati, is an over-rated writer who was likely published under the publishing trade's own "affirmative action" rule and promoted by critics for the same reason (the "liberal white guilt" syndrome). No, Israelis won't be dumbed down by not being able to read her novel in Hebrew. She has nothing original to say that hasn't been said better by others before. And, gee whiz, she's for the Palestinian people and against Israeli treatment of them. What cluelessness! What courage! She was "devastated" by the "testimony" of "Israelis" and "Palestinians." Well, of course, Israel has its own brigade of liberal loons, and the word of a Palestinian isn't worth the sound byte that carried it.

Notice how in her letter she stressed "American apartheid," as though such a thing actually existed in American history. There was no such thing, that is, there were no federal laws that commanded that all states and all citizens oppress blacks. All that existed was ignorance, and when a group of state governments attempted to make slavery government policy, this country fought a costly Civil War to deny state governments that power.

But, Alice Walker seems to be very selective, or very ignorant, as well, when she mounts her high horse about Israeli "oppression" of Muslims. Does she not know about how black Muslims are treated by Arab Muslims, as though they were lower than Jews and other infidels? Has she any knowledge of Islam at all, for example, how Islam is a misogynist creed. I invite her to watch "Lawrence of Arabia" and spot black Arab leaders who became pals with Lawrence. Oh, she'll see blacks, but they're slaves….and the Sauds still use slaves…..

I've been several times to Israel on business. Namely Beer Sheva it's not far from Gaza strip. I saw lots of guys and gals with weapons on Thursday night on a local railway station -- soldiers who make it home for weekends. You know Beer Sheva is almost 1/3 russian speaking town. But you can see there people of many origins there, including those who are look more like arabs than jews. The soldiers returning home were of all kinds of nationalities: jews, russians, ukranians and (yes) arabs or should I say fakestenians? This is not really my idea of apartheid. Moreover, the plaza near my hotel was always populated by bedouins (arabs presumably) on Friday who gathered there to get their financial support (for being bedouins, basically just roaming the Negev desert with their camels) from cache machines installed there for such purpose. The sight of women dressed in hijab is also very common there. I really imagine the apartheid quite differently. Forgot to mention several occasions of air strike alert some of them training perhaps but you never know...

Who the hell is Alice Walker by the way?

She seemed to be wallowing in the equation of white=racist=colonialist. The facts of history, e.g. the racism and imperialism of arab muslims is something a leftie like her would deny or ignore.

Let her live under sharia law in an islamic country. Left wing useful idiot.

"...Muslims have been mass-murdering and mass-enslaving black people in Africa since the 8th century, non-stop. There are *still* black slaves - of Muslim masters - in parts of Africa..."

...and, looking at that silly, Jew-hating Alice Walker's dirty Jihadist work, there are black slaves of Muslim masters in America too. But, perhaps, in her case, the contempt that Arab muslims have for blacks is justified.

Let me get this right...

A writer influenced by Martin Luther King Jr (a known Zionist) who wrote a book about racism and sexism (I'm guessing it is about that) is refusing an Israeli pubisher who has nothing to do with governing bodies the right to publish JUST because they are Israeli (and who book is against stereotypes?! What can a publisher do about their government)... And of course the nation Israel, a nation known for its rights to all races (including Palestinians, and their continued want to help them and continued concessions and compassion) and its equal rights to both men and women (who both fight against the terrorists), is the reason she does not want give it to an Israeli publisher?!
And all this is so enemies of Israel who DON'T give equal rights to all peoples (race and sex, since we all know Islamic Arabs are the greatest of people) can have control over them (to murder them)?!

Next thing you tell me is that Spielberg is voting for OBAMA!?!?!

The bullshit coming out from these entitled morons is amazing!!!

If literature is as powerful as people say it is, wouldn't the Israelis be the first people that Alice Walker wants to touch with her words? Wouldn't they be pierced to the core by her stories if they are as bad as she indicates? Why deny them the very message that should remind them of the humanity of all people?

I find it more than interesting that so many Black Americans seem to identify with Islam and the Palestinians. Are they not aware that the slave trade was a Muslim moneymaker, started in Africa by Arab Muslims?

Anti-Israel = Anti-West = Anti-White > Anti-Third World = Anti-People of Color = Anti-Islam.

Undo the math.

In regards to the statement:

Anti-Israel = Anti-West = Anti-White > Anti-Third World = Anti-People of Color = Anti-Islam.

First of all:

Even Ashkenazi Jewish (West-European and East European) Jewish people have Middle Eastern (Jewish) ethnicity, and many Ashkenazi Jewish people have obviously Middle Eastern facial features. Furthermore, since when have Western non-Jewish people thought of (or pretended to think of) Jewish people as being "White"? It's been only very recently that Western non-Jewish people have thought of (and, I think, in most cases, only pretended to think of) Jewish people as being "White". And most Western non-Jewish people who have done that have done so in accordance with the anti-Jewish racism that they hold so that they can pretend to think that the nation of the Jewish people, Israel, is "White", so that they can think that Israel is, in their ignorant bigoted racist minds, therefore, "The Oppressor".

Second of all:

Approximately half of the Jewish population of Israel are still living members of, and descendants of, the 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jewish refuges from Muslim states in the Middle East, who are Jewish people whose families never left the Middle East (Mizrahi Jewish), and, therefore, didn't intermarry with European people, and who, therefore, "look Middle Eastern" (that is: to Western people, look what Western people think of as being "Arab"). Also, many of those Jewish citizens of Israel are mixed ethnicities -- Ashkenazi mixed with Mizrahi and mixed with Sephardi, etc.. Israeli Jewish people are a multi-ethnic.

Moreover, Israeli society is culturally very mixed. Israeli society is one of the most culturally mixed, culturally rich, and cosmopolitan societies in the world.

And in regards to the Medeival-Christian-European-type, and Nazi-type, libels believed, and propagated, by anti-Jewish racists such as Alice Walker (and such as the members of the State Department, and the CIA, and the British government, and the British press, and British academia, and, now, American academia, and the American mass media) against the liberal democratic, newly-refounded, intendedly genocidally besieged, almost unanimously libeled, endangered, very small nation of the Jewish people:

Israel is a liberal democratic nation. All citizens of Israel -- Jewish citizens of Israel, and non-Jewish citizens of Israel (including the over one million Muslim Arab citizens of Israel, and Christian Arab citizens of Israel, and Druze Arab citizens of Israel) -- have equal civil rights by the law of Israel.

Furthermore, there are Israeli policies of Affirmative Action for Arab citizens of Israel.

And in regards to the racist anti-Jewish libel that Israel is a racist state because one can be granted citizenship of Israel only if one is Jewish:

Anyone who is deemed to be Jewish -- by ethnicity, or by religion -- by the government of Israel can be automatically granted citizenship of Israel. This automatic granting of citizenship, by Israel, to people who are Jewish is similar to the automatic granting of citizenship, by other democratic countries, such as Japan, and some European countries, to people whose ethnicities, or whose parents' nationalities, are those of the nationalities of those democratic countries. Furthermore, Jewish people, unlike the peoples of such other democratic national states, are a very small group of people who have been homeless and persecuted for the past two thousand years. And, the country of the Jewish people, Israel, is a very small country, and has been under intendedly genocidal siege since it was re-founded approximately 60 years ago.

Anyone, whether or not they are Jewish, can apply for, and be granted, citizenship of Israel, in the same way that anyone can apply for, and be granted, citizenship of other democratic countries.

Israel is the nation of the Jewish people. Just like Ireland is the nation of the Irish people. And just like Japan is the nation of the Japanese people. And just like Italy is the nation of the Italian people. And just like Thailand is the nation of the Thai people. Israel is, therein, the Jewish state. Just like Ireland is the Irish state. And just like Japan is the Japanese state. And just like Italy is the Italian state. And just like Thailand is the Thai state.

The land area of Israel is approximately two percent of the total land area of the Middle East.

There are over twenty Arab states in the world. There are fifty-six Muslim states in the world. There are several officially Christian states in the world. There are many national states in the world: Thailand, Japan, over 20 Arab states, several European states, etc.

There is only one Jewish state in the world: Israel.

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Anti-Jewish racists are anti-Jewish racists. That is: People who believe malicious lies about the Jewish people are people who believe malicious lies about the Jewish people.

Genocidal anti-Jewish racists are genocidal anti-Jewish racists. That is: People who want to believe malicious lies about the Jewish people are people who want believe malicious lies about the Jewish people.

Most Westerners are anti-Jewish racists.

Many Westerners are genocidal anti-Jewish racists.

A culture which will have, as the religion of that culture, a religion which accuses an actual group of actual living people of having killed the deity of that religion will be a culture in which antipathetic racist bigotry toward that group of people will be deeply engrained.

However, also to regards to the statement:

Anti-Israel = Anti-West = Anti-White > Anti-Third World = Anti-People of Color = Anti-Islam.

Western culture is based on Jewish culture.

Furthermore, Jewish people, more than almost any other group of people, have completely embraced, the ideas of the European Enlightenment. Moreover, the ideas of the European enlightenment were an outgrowth of the influence of the beneficial principals of Jewish culture.

Israel is Western. Israel is not "White". Israel is the Western. That is: Israel is a liberal democratic society. Israel is a liberal democratic nation.

The West is, in fact, Jewish.

And I apologize for the my harsh words:

"Most Westerners are anti-Jewish racists.

"Many Westerners are genocidal anti-Jewish racists."

I think that most of the anti-Jewish bigotry that I was referring to with those words is based mainly on ignorance -- ignorance of certain facts. I think that most of the anti-Jewish bigotry that I was referring to is, at least in the Western non-European countries, and, I think, also in Britain, not based on malice.

I apologize for my harsh words. I apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings, and I apologize if I offended anyone.

"The first BDS movement"

So you imply the Germans were under occupation by a terroristic Zionist Xenophobic entity that was forcing them into ghettos, systematically invading murdering and stealing land, cutting off all contact with the outside world, murdering civilians in response to any resistence, assassinating activists to keep them quiet, virus-assaulting signatory members of the NTP because they are exercising their rights under the treaty (while being a hypocritical Non-Signatory to same), that was claiming Berlin as their eternal undivided "I don't care if you have lived there for 4,000 years uninterupted and never left of your own accord" capital....and thus in response to this organized system of terrorism the poor Germans finally cried out for help from the rest of the economic world to save them from the Occupier?

Yeah, it's kind of twisted, but when you think of it like that you are taking a page from Robert's book and refocusing someone to see things the twisted way "they could be."

It's plausable, right? Right?

First of all, who defines that "Alice Walker's books aren't worth reading anyway?" Secondly they are her books and if she refuses to allow an Israeli publisher permission to translate them into Hebrew, that is surely her prerogative in a capitalist society-Israelis , most of whom speak English anyway to buy her books via Amazon!

Terry

I think she was denied permission to board the boat from Turkey to Gaza,
last year. She must have resentment.

Something to think about, very very carefully.

Alice Walker, like many naive and ill-informed Western Christians - has been sucked in by Bullshit.

I have met people like this. I have read books and articles by people like this; it's even worse if they've gone to eretz Israel themselves, into the Arab/ Muslim-dominated areas, and done 'tours' carefully orchestrated by Muslim and Islamochristian guides. A classic example of what can happen if you naively suppose that everything the Arab/ Muslims are telling you must be true, is Colin Chapman, an evangelical protestant whose book 'Whose Land?' (deliberately intended to undercut the powerful truths contained in that sedate and scholarly philojudaic Christian James Parkes' classic 'Whose Land?' (which essentially makes the case for the continuity of Jewish presence in and attachment to Eretz Israel, all the way from 70 AD, 135 AD and through the Byzantine period, the Muslim imperium (with Crusader 'interlude') on up to the British Mandate ) has had a very pernicious effect among modern evangelicals who were previously pretty much solidly pro-Israel. In the latest issue of the newspaper of the Anglican diocese within which I currently reside, there are a couple of little propaganda pieces about the Poooor Palestinians and that nasty wall the evil Jooz have built (no mention of Islam, Jihad, or Muslim Jew-hatred; no mention of just how many attempted murder-'martyr' mass murders of Joooz this wall has demonstrably averted...which is *the* reason why it was built). People have been taken in by a sort of sleight-of-hand; by what duh-swami calls 'word magick', with a heaping dose of Pallywood.

Quite well- meaning and terribly naive people have just *no* idea of the extent and brazenness of what Martha Gellhorn dubbed 'madhattery', which is routinely practised by a/ Arab Muslim Mohammedans and b/ deeply dhimmified - and in some cases, poisonously antisemitic on their own account - native Arab/ised Christians or Islamochristians who carry water for their Mohammedan masters. They go to eretz Israel, they do the rounds of the 'Palestinian' villages, and they *live* Pallywood. They encounter master illusionists. They have no real knowledge of the situation. They have almost never read anything of the Quran let alone any other Islamic text. They are completely at the mercy of their Muslim - or Islamochristian - 'guides' and 'interpreters'.

They swallow unquestioningly every tearful and elaborate sob story that they are spun by both Muslims and Islamochristians. "This lady is crying, she must be telling me the truth!'

Result: they become passionate supporters of the Poooor Palestinians [tm].

And they are most likely to do it if they simply have no conception of the possibility that a whole culture can be saturated with - based upon - not just simple lying, but what someone called Harry Frankfurt has dubbed 'bullshit'.

I think it perfectly possible that Alice Walker - already 'primed' to some extent - has swallowed the Arab narrative because it simply hasn't occurred to her to wonder whether she's being bullshitted.

Plenty of others much smarter than she have done the same.

So, for the benefit of anyone out there who has stumbled in here and is scratching their head in puzzlement or even anger - perhaps a fan of Ms Walker's books? - here are four little articles that will help you to free yourself from - or avoid being suckered by, in the first place - the vast mass of Mohammedan Bullshittery and Madhattery that there is out there as regards local overwhelmingly-Muslim Arabs, the soi-disant 'Palestinians'.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4204927,00.html

'Palestinians as 'super victims'

Op-ed: Turning Palestinians [sic: 'Palestinian' Arab Muslims, and indeed, any kind of Muslims - dda] into victims a case of emotional appeals triumphing over facts
Manfred Gerstenfeld.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/42534

Thursday, 14 June 2012
Alex Joffe On "Palestinian" Muslims And The Fabrication Of History

From The Middle East Quarterly:
The Rhetoric of Nonsense: 
Fabricating Palestinian History

by Alexander H. Joffe
Summer 2012, pp. 15-22

Excerpt:

'Arafat famously told then-U.S. president Bill Clinton that there was no Jewish temple in Jerusalem, causing the usually unflappable Clinton to nearly explode.

'Denials regarding the Jewish historical connection to the Land of Israel generally and categorical denials that Jews constitute a nation are all frequently heard from Palestinian [sic:from Muslim leaders generally and from local Arab Muslim and some Arab Christian - dda] leaders, intellectuals, and others.

'A useful avenue of investigation is to consider Abbas's words as a type of rhetoric with a form and underlying philosophy. When viewed in this way, Abbas's spokesman was not lying as such but doing something else.

'As philosopher Harry Frankfurt put it

QUOTE "The fact about himself that the bullshitter hides … is that the truth-values of his statements are of no central interest to him; what we are not to understand is that his intention is neither to report the truth nor to conceal it …

"A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it …

"For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off: He is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false.

"His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose. [from 'On Bullshit', 2005, p. 56]. UNQUOTE

'As Frankfurt describes it, such nonsensical rhetoric is constructed impulsively and without thought—entirely out of whole cloth.

'It is unconcerned with truth and so, unlike a lie, has license to be panoramic, unconcerned with context.

The user is endeavoring to bluff, and the desire for effect is paramount.

'Whereas lying is austere and rigorous because it must triangulate against truth, nonsense loses, and loosens, the grasp on reality....".

*That* is what, above all, the Muslims are doing when they spin their yarns to the naive, like Alice Walker.

Item no, 3, which always bears re-posting: Martha Gellhorn on 'The Arabs of Palestine', Atlantic Monthly, October 1961 (i.e. **before** the Six-Day War, when Gaza was an open-air prison maintained as such by Islamic Egypt, and when the Old City of Jerusalem and all of Judea and Samaria - the so-called 'west bank' - was ruled by Islamic Jordan to the absolute exclusion of any Jew, ever).

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1969/12/the-arabs-of-palestine/4203/

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/196110/gellhorn

Item no 4: Why Islam (or, more precisely, the Ummah, or Mohammedan Mob, whether Arab or non-Arab - dda) Will Never Accept the State of Israel.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/why_islam_will_never_accept_th.html

Why Islam Will Never Accept the State of Israel

By Steven Simpson, THE AMERICAN THINKER June 30 2010

Opening paragraphs, to give an idea of the thesis:

"It is a common belief that the “Arab-Israeli conflict” is a conflict of two peoples fighting over the same piece of land and is therefore one of nationalism. Rarely, if ever, do we hear or read of the religious component to this conflict.

"However, if anything, the conflict is more of a “Muslim-Jewish” one than an “Arab-Israeli” one. In other words, the conflict is based on religion — Islam vs. Judaism — cloaked in Arab nationalism vs. Zionism.

:The fact of the matter is that in every Arab-Israeli war, from 1948 to the present, cries of “jihad,” “Allahu Akbar,” and the bloodcurdling scream of “Idbah al- Yahud” (slaughter the Jews) have resonated amongst even the most secular of Arab leaders, be it Nasser in the 1950s and 1960s or the supposedly “secular” PLO of the 1960s to the present. "

I have posted each of these on numerous previous occasions, and whenever I deem it useful, for the benefit of lurkers new to this site and this subject who may be reading over our shoulders, I will post them again.

More on the all-pervasiveness of nonsense and lies, madhattery and Bullshitting, amongst the Ummah (and it deeply affects dhimmi communities, too, such as the Arabic-speaking Christians under the thumb of the Muslims in Gaza and Judea and Samaria).

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4214466,00.html
The Arab-Muslim narrative

'Op-ed: Fantasy, stretching the truth very deeply embedded in mindset of Muslim and Arab culture'.

To go with it, some classic articles on Islamic deceit, written by Arabic-speaking American scholar Raymond Ibrahim, who was raised within a Coptic Christian emigre family.

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

"How Taqiyya Alters Islam's Rules of War: Defeating Jihadist Terrorism," Middle East Quarterly, Winter 2010.

and

http://www.meforum.org/2095/islams-doctrines-of-deception

'Islam's doctrines of deception'

by Raymond Ibrahim, in '
Jane's Islamic Affairs Analyst
', October 2008

More, on the same topic:

http://www.meforum.org/2066/war-and-peace-and-deceit-in-islam

'War and Peace - and Deceit - in Islam'

by Raymond Ibrahim
Pajamas Media
February 12, 2009

And yet more:

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/11267/tawriya-lying

Tawriya: New Islamic Doctrine Permits 'Creative Lying'
by Raymond Ibrahim
Stonegate Institute
February 28, 2012

I myself have reached the point where, reading reports from any region where there is friction between Muslims and non-Muslims - not only the Jihad against the Jews, but the jihad against India that is being waged in and on the borders of Kashmir, and the ongoing jihad in the Caucasus, the Southern Philippines and Southern Thailand, and the jihad waged by Sudanese Muslims against South Sudan, and the jihad that is getting under way in earnest in northern and central Nigeria - I greet all statements (especially all 'we is poor little innocent victims!' claims) emanating from the Muslim participants - and Muslim supporters of same - with extreme scepticism, and give much greater credence to the non-Muslims involved.

Actually, Alice Walker's book, THE COLOR OF PURPLE, though, of course, exposing white racism in the South, was focused mostly on the abuse Black Women received from Black men. At the time of the movie, many Black Men were outraged.

Though there was value to her book, she can't be more wrong about Israel, Islam, the Palestinians, etc.

Irony: Israel is probably the only place in the entire Middle East where Alice Walker, a lesbian, would not be beaten to death for being who she is.

She should stick to fiction !