Egypt: Muslim Brotherhood claims lead with 69% of vote

I tried to tell you -- in January 2011. "'Brotherhood claims Mursi in lead with 69% of Egypt votes,'" from the Jerusalem Post, June 16 (thanks to Pamela Geller):

'Al-Ahram' reports campaign team of Muslim Brotherhood candidate claims he has more than two-thirds of votes after first day of 2-day presidential run-off election against former Mubarak PM, Ahmed Shafiq.

The campaign team of Muslim Brotherhood candidate Mohamed Mursi claimed Saturday that he had won 69 percent of the vote after the first-day of a two-day run-off election to determine Egypt's first freely-elected president in the country's history, Egyptian daily Al-Ahram reported.

Mursi is facing Ahmed Shafiq, who served as former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak's prime minister in the final days of his rule.

Reeling from a court order two days ago to dissolve a new parliament dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood, many question whether generals who pushed aside fellow officer Mubarak last year to appease the pro-democracy protests of the Arab Spring will honor a vow to relinquish power by July 1 to whoever wins....

That's an open question. But it may be too late now for the generals to stop the Brotherhood.

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Coups are very hard to pull off against than well like leader. The Germany General Staff froung out in the 1930's when they have to call off 3 or 4 plan coup as Hilter have than 98% aproval rateing with the Germany People.

And with Sharia-governed Sudan on the South; Chad and Lybia flanking them on the West.
How the military deals with this will be like making love to porcupine.

I smell Sharia! ... and we called it here on JW over a year ago.

Egypt will have to suffer under the heavy jackboots of their imams implementing full Sharia, ala ayatollahs' Iran, unhindered by the military or by those precious few who though the "Arab Spring" revolution would grant them constitutionally protected human rights, such as those enjoyed in the West. Well, now it seems all but a dead dream as "Arab night" falls, freedom has slipped away from them by their own co-religionists' hands who wanted the Muslim Brotherhood in power. Sad for the Christians… never mind the Jews, they were forcibly evicted decades ago. Such is Islam.

I hope Europe is alert and watching... they'll feel the pain of it one way or another. Probably boatloads of refugees hitting Spain and the Italian coast, for starters. Too bad.

Now you're just spouting nonsense.

The Middle East is indeed a fucking Islamist scum-pit.

Hopefully, the mighty Jewish nation of Israel will make use of its plentiful shiny nukes ; )

Long live the West, Long Live Zionism, Long Live ENGLAND, Long Live the FREE.

The vast majority of people in the West already despise Islam. All we need to do is nurture that hatred.

We will relentlessly dehumanize the Leftist/Islamist scum as they have tried to do unto us.

Fear not my jaded, elder brothers and sisters: We are the new generation. We are strong, intelligent and we are absolutely committed in ensuring our culture remains dominant until the end of time itself. Whatever the cost.....

The Leftists and the Islamists are old, tired, out-of-date pieces of fucking shit. The 'moderate' Muslims are not much better.

We will fucking strip Islam to the filthy bone.

The Middle East is indeed a fucking Islamist scum-pit.

Hopefully, the mighty Jewish nation of Israel will make use of its plentiful shiny nukes ; )

Long live the West, Long Live Zionism, Long Live ENGLAND, Long Live the FREE.

The vast majority of people in the West already despise Islam. All we need to do is nurture that hatred.

We will relentlessly dehumanize the Leftist/Islamist scum as they have tried to do unto us.

Fear not my jaded, elder brothers and sisters: We are the new generation. We are strong, intelligent and we are absolutely committed in ensuring our culture remains dominant until the end of time itself. Whatever the cost.....

The Leftists and the Islamists are old, tired, out-of-date pieces of fucking shit. The 'moderate' Muslims are not much better.

We will fucking strip Islam to the filthy bone.

The Middle East is indeed a fucking Islamist scum-pit.

Hopefully, the mighty Jewish nation of Israel will make use of its plentiful shiny nukes ; )

Long live the West, Long Live Zionism, Long Live ENGLAND, Long Live the FREE.

The vast majority of people in the West already despise Islam. All we need to do is nurture that hatred.

We will relentlessly dehumanize the Leftist/Islamist scum as they have tried to do unto us.

Fear not my jaded, elder brothers and sisters: We are the new generation. We are strong, intelligent and we are absolutely committed in ensuring our culture remains dominant until the end of time itself. Whatever the cost.....

The Leftists and the Islamists are old, tired, out-of-date pieces of fucking shit. The 'moderate' Muslims are not much better.

We will fucking strip Islam to the filthy bone.

Apologies for the repeated post. It was unintentional I assure you : )

Apologies for the repeated post! It was unintentional I assure you : )

He's most likely Bullshitting.

Technical philosophical term invented by philosopher Harry Frankfurt to describe a rhetorical tactic which is used occasionally by certain sociopathic types within non-Muslim societies, but which - so far as I can see - is simply rife, and perhaps *normal* or usual, among Mohammedans (though I would be surprised if Frankfurt himself has noticed or mentions this). See Frankfurt's book 'On Bullshit' (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2005),

I found out about Frankfurt's definition of Bullshit in the following article:

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/42534
Thursday, 14 June 2012
Alex Joffe On "Palestinian" Muslims And The Fabrication Of History

From The Middle East Quarterly:
The Rhetoric of Nonsense
Fabricating Palestinian History
by Alexander H. Joffe
Summer 2012, pp. 15-22.

Every person who has to do with Mohammedans anywhere would, I think, do well to learn by heart the following passage from Frankfurt, which Joffe cites as follows:

"As philosopher Harry Frankfurt put it

QUOTE 'The fact about himself that the bullshitter hides … is that the truth-values of his statements are of no central interest to him; what we are not to understand is that his intention is neither to report the truth nor to conceal it …

'A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it …

'For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off: He is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false.

'His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says.

'He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly.

'He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose.' UNQUOTE
(from 'On Bullshit', p. 56)


"As Frankfurt describes it, such nonsensical rhetoric is constructed impulsively and without thought—entirely out of whole cloth.

'It is unconcerned with truth and so, unlike a lie, has license to be panoramic, unconcerned with context.

'The user is endeavoring to bluff, and the desire for effect is paramount.

Whereas lying is austere and rigorous because it must triangulate against truth, nonsense loses, and loosens, the grasp on reality. "

When Mohammedan boggarts and dementors turn up at this site and post something, then when and if you read what they post, your first question should be NOT 'is this true?' NOR 'is this false?' BUT - 'is this BULLSHIT?'

It might be fun to get hold of Frankfurt's book 'On Bullshit', read it through, and then re-read, side by side with it, the Quran and perhaps the Sira and a random sampling of the Hadith and perhaps even a swathe of 'Reliance of the Traveller', and ask yourself: what if the person or persons who cooked up the Islamic foundational texts were...Bullshitting?


Hopefully, the mighty Jewish nation of Israel will make use of its plentiful shiny nukes ; )

Long live the West, Long Live Zionism, Long Live ENGLAND, Long Live the FREE.

The vast majority of people in the West already despise Islam. All we need to do is nurture that hatred.

We will relentlessly dehumanize the Leftist/Islamist scum as they have tried to do unto us.

Fear not my jaded, elder brothers and sisters: We are the new generation. We are strong, intelligent and we are absolutely committed in ensuring our culture remains dominant until the end of time itself. Whatever the cost.....

The Leftists and the Islamists are old, tired, out-of-date pieces of fucking shit. The 'moderate' Muslims are not much better.

We will fucking strip Islam to the filthy bone

It seem to me that many English people are muslum born there by muslum or convert to Islam. The Founder of Islam name is than very common name for new born UK babies in UK hositals.


Now you're just spouting nonsense.

Hilter back in the 1930's did have than approval rateing of 98%. The only coup against Hilter in 1944 was depending on Hilter dieing in the bomb blast. When Hilter spoke on the radio after the bomb blast the coup fall apart.

Of course we at JW saw this coming, but remember when the Brotherhood fooled the rest of the world into believing that they didn't want any power? And then Obama called the Brotherhood 'moderate.' It is hard to imagine any good, free, or democratic coming from this regime change.

Between the fractured English and the gratuitous obscenities, this thread is a little hard to take first thing in the morning.

"DefenderofIslam" wrote:

Coups are very hard to pull off against than well like leader. The Germany General Staff froung (sic) out in the 1930's when they have to call off 3 or 4 plan coup as Hilter (sic) have than 98% aproval (sic) rateing (sic) with the Germany People.
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Nice of you to note the parallel between the Islamists and the Nazis, "DefenderofIslam".

"Modern England" wrote:

The Middle East is indeed a fucking Islamist scum-pit.

Hopefully, the mighty Jewish nation of Israel will make use of its plentiful shiny nukes ; )

Long live the West, Long Live Zionism, Long Live ENGLAND, Long Live the FREE.
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PLEASE NOTE: "Modern England" is almost certainly NOT WHAT HE IMPLIES.

Here he is, implying that standing against the horrors of Jihad is akin to the mass murder of Anders Breivik:

"JIHAD WATCH PEOPLE: What is this I see before me? LOL. My dear brothers and sisters, you do not need to entertain these Leftist/Islamist scum! They are a hated minority....

"They are fossilized remnants. We are the majority. We are the future. To give these slimy bastards but a second of attention is to amuse them...

"The majority of people already fucking despise Islam. All we need to do is nurture that hatred. The backlash against Islam is not too far away. And it will be relentless its ferocity.

"Until then, we will mercilessly dehumanize the Islamists and the Leftists as they have tried so hard to do unto us.

"Worry not my elder brothers! We are the new generation. We are strong, intelligent and we are absolutely determined to eradicate Islamism and the Leftist fringe minority. They have no place in our new world. They are disgusting, moulding, rotting pieces of fucking scum..."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/raymond-ibrahim-islamic-terror-vs-norway-massacre---chicken-or-egg.html#comment-886000

The reference to "hated minority" is deliberately intended to evoke reference to Fascism. Never mind that Fascists have, traditionally, allied *with* Jihadists.

And notice his reference to Israel's "plentiful shiny nukes", as though *they* were threatening their Muslim neighbors.

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The vast majority of people in the West already despise Islam. All we need to do is nurture that hatred.
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And here, his implication that standing against the violence and oppression of Jihad is "hatred".

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We will relentlessly dehumanize the Leftist/Islamist scum as they have tried to do unto us.
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And here, his implication that in pointing out the violence of Jihad that we are 'dehumanizing' Muslims and Leftists.

Also, notice his absurd language, including the quasi-biblical "unto us".

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Fear not my jaded, elder brothers and sisters: We are the new generation. We are strong, intelligent and we are absolutely committed in ensuring our culture remains dominant until the end of time itself. Whatever the cost.....
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Again, this hints at supremacism, genocide, and millenarianism.

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The Leftists and the Islamists are old, tired, out-of-date pieces of fucking shit. The 'moderate' Muslims are not much better.

We will fucking strip Islam to the filthy bone.
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While it is not completely out of the question that "Modern England" really is just an unhinged Anti-Jihadist, I *really doubt it*.

I believe he is attempting to paint anyone as "extreme" merely for noticing the savagery of Shari'ah and its threat to the world.

Ugly, ugly stuff. He needs be called out on this.

You might be right on this one.

I think we should expect agents provocateurs aplenty, from now on, in addition to the easier-to-deal-with openly Mohammedan boggarts and dementors.

Congratulations, Defender--you got one right this time.

Several officers on the German General Staff in the mid-to late 30's had plans to eliminate Hitler--at least from power if not outright killing him. These officers were betting that Hitler would lose in his bold military and diplomatic moves. But it was not to be; thanks to the military passiveness and appeasement of his Western peer-nations, he emerged victorious from every one. After several of these victories in rapid succession it was too late for the erstwhile general staff plotters to stop him.
As for the July 20, 1944 coup, it's failure can be traced to bungling by the plotters; failure to take aggressive action after the bomb-blast--they sat in the Bendlerstrasse wringing their hands--until again, it was too late.

And, we know how this applies to islam, don't we Defender? Appeasemant only leads to further demands. Apathy and failure to defend boundaries invites invasion. Trust in agreements is naieve and dangerous. The consequences from losing to islam, like losing to NAZI Germany would be brutal repression and subjugation. Losing is not an option!

Amazing the parallels between Hitler's Germany and islam, eh, Defender?

"DefenderofIslam" wrote, replying to "Modern England":

It seem to me that many English people are muslum born there by muslum or convert to Islam. The Founder of Islam name is than very common name for new born UK babies in UK hositals.
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It's like "Alien vs Predator"...

Dumbledore's Army wrote:

You might be right on this one.

I think we should expect agents provocateurs aplenty, from now on, in addition to the easier-to-deal-with openly Mohammedan boggarts and dementors.
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Thanks, Dumbledore's Army. LemonLime thinks he looks pretty suspicious, as well.

Of the people, for the people, by the people...self determination is the best thing for society. When they are fulfilled in their hearts in the ruling of their own country again North Africa will have a stablizing force, both military and economic, that will anchor the other North African Muslim societies and, hopefully, give them the best example to follow.

Of course, there is the issue of expelling the Mubarak era political/military machine...a "revolution" that does not clean house of the old administration does nothing really...the entrenched management needs to be retired...that one will take a little concerted force of will from the populace.

I am looking forward to seeing how they work this out...properly approaching this from a political stance the West could benefit greatly or cut themselves off from most of Africa.

There are vast resources there that China is eyeing...the West could use a friendly foothold in North Africa...of course they used to only have to worry about the opinion of one Egyptian....

It's a whole new ball game, and it isn't cricket for the West to think it will be "business as usual" for theie traditional role in the region.

Its soon to be hard ball, no matter what way you look at it, no matter how you feel about it...diplomacy will have to take precedence.

Interesting times we live in....

He's actually kind of funny.

"Mensch Keymelon" wrote:

Of the people, for the people, by the people...self determination is the best thing for society.
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Comparing the arbitrary brutality of Shari'ah to American Democracy—how grotesque.

And never mind the oppression that Copts, women, and Liberals will face under Islamic law.

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When they are fulfilled in their hearts in the ruling of their own country again North Africa will have a stablizing force, both military and economic, that will anchor the other North African Muslim societies and, hopefully, give them the best example to follow.
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When has Shari'ah *ever* been a "stabalizing force"? Consider full Shari'ah states—Somalia, Sudan, northern Nigeria, Afghanistan under the Taliban—all violent, chaotic hell holes. *This* is what "Mensch Keymelon" and his coreligionists want to turn Egypt into.

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Of course, there is the issue of expelling the Mubarak era political/military machine...a "revolution" that does not clean house of the old administration does nothing really...the entrenched management needs to be retired...that one will take a little concerted force of will from the populace.
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I'm sure this will be bloody...

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I am looking forward to seeing how they work this out...properly approaching this from a political stance the West could benefit greatly or cut themselves off from most of Africa.
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Note that "Mensch Keymelon" is champing at the bit to see Shari'ah imposed all across Africa. How grotesque...

Then his assertion that the West would "benefit" from associating itself with failed Muslim states is just ludicrous. Piracy, Jihad terror, and frequent famines and violent crises are all you can expect from such states.

And then, the civilized West has to decide whether to help—considering much of the aid will be used to wage violent Jihad, and all aid-workers will be at risk for kidnapping and murder. Ugh.

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Its soon to be hard ball, no matter what way you look at it, no matter how you feel about it...diplomacy will have to take precedence.
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"Diplomacy"—what rot. the last time the Mahgreb featured nothing but Shari'ah states, they were busy pirating Western ships and enslaving their crews.

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Interesting times we live in....
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So were the late 1930s and the rise of Fascism...

More, replying to me, likely in reference to "Modern England":

He's actually kind of funny.
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Well, *of course* you would consider a fellow troll "funny". No surprise there...

“I'm sure this will be bloody…”

What like the American Revolution? The War of 19812? The French and Indian War? The Civil War? World War I? World War II? Korea? Vietnam?

How many more hundreds upon hundreds of millions of people have to be murdered by secular idiots like you? Talk about stone cold stupidity…look in the mirror, I know it’s not pretty, but that is what it looks like.

You are not that bright are you? Comparing successful stabilizing states with the crumbled remains of war ridden peoples…talk about your test lacking validity.

“Failed” Muslims states… there are no “Muslim” states that rule by Islam…you and your hysterical writing…God save anyone if they depend on a coward like you for their defense.

Talking about enslaving and piracy? What an ass.

America was built on slavery and piracy…go ahead and try to white wash that history…you can’t clean that shame and that blood off… you and the “god” of secularism…you get together with other human beings and decide what is right…and it fluctuates with what you want…and pretty soon you get human tragedy…only not for the “noble” “white man” walking on the bones of the innocent, enslaving the poor, raping and pillaging. Not some drummed up fantasy like Jihad watch likes to spin…but real human tragedy on the scale of 100’s of millions…and in the “modern” age.

Stabilizing force existed for a long time in many different areas…it was only ideal in the beginning, then human beings with their ulterior motives denigrated what was good…as soon as true the leadership was gone the structure crumbled because of human beings of lesser faith.

The interesting times we live in is the casting off of the old world order.

And I think he’s funny because he is a caricature of you.

"Mensch Keymelon" wrote:

How many more hundreds upon hundreds of millions of people have to be murdered by secular idiots like you?
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Well, this is odd. I'm used to decent Infidels at Jihad Watch being characterized by Muslims of being "fanatical Christians". Now, apparently, we're all "secular idiots".

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You are not that bright are you? Comparing successful stabilizing states with the crumbled remains of war ridden peoples…talk about your test lacking validity.
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Why should northern Nigeria be considered "war ridden"? The only war going on is being waged by Boko Haram and other "Islamists". The fact is that all the most Shari'ah ridden states are in a constant state of violence and chaos.

And Egypt is hardly "stabilizing". Its tourist industry has collapsed, and investors have pulled out in droves. Shari'ah states, as a rule, are very poor investments.

One of my British cousins and her husband were rather foolishly vacationing in Egypt when the revolution began. They got out as quickly as they could, and have no plans to go back.

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“Failed” Muslims states… there are no “Muslim” states that rule by Islam…you and your hysterical writing…God save anyone if they depend on a coward like you for their defense.
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This is just what we used to hear from communists—that there really were not and had never been any communist states, so the failures and brutality of the Soviet Union, Communist China, Cambodia, and North Korea just don't count.

The truth is that the arbitrary, violent, and oppressive regimes of Al Shabaab, Boko Haram, and the Taliban are all of a piece save for the most niggling details, and are very much Shari'ah. This is also *exactly* what the Muslim Brotherhood is espousing. It differs not at all from Sayeed Qutb's program, and his program is just a revival of canonical Shari'ah law.

You always find the same barbarities with Shari'ah—either historically or in the contemporary world.

And what is your charge of "cowardice" a reference to?

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America was built on slavery...go ahead and try to white wash that history...
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Not at all. The free West does not attempt to whitewash or lie about its history.

We had slavery, we argued about slavery, we fought slavery, and we ended slavery in much of the world.

The only reason slavery was ended—or at least ended in its open practice—in so much of the Muslim world was due to pressure from the West. Now your nasty coreligionists are openly advocating for slavery and sex slavery. You must be so proud.

There never was a Muslim Bartolomé de las Casas, William Wilberforce, Harriet Beecher Stowe, or Abraham Lincoln.

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Stabilizing force existed for a long time in many different areas…it was only ideal in the beginning, then human beings with their ulterior motives denigrated what was good…as soon as true the leadership was gone the structure crumbled because of human beings of lesser faith.
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I suppose this is reference to one or another Caliphate. They were all pretty ugly. I doubt you're going to regale us with any specifics about this ideal state? I rather doubt it...

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The interesting times we live in is the casting off of the old world order.
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Not really. there are few forces in the world today more retrogressive than Islam and Shari'ah—rooted as they are in the dark ages.

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And I think he’s funny because he is a caricature of you.
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Not at all. "Modern England" is *positing* himself as a caricature of those who care about the threat of Islam, which is a very different matter.

I just skipped to the end...the middle is predictable... you are kind of like reading of Sherlock Holmes now...once tou read the first line, you can skip to the conclusion...boring.

He IS a caricature of you though...type errors aside.

I knew you couldn't defend any of the barbarities of Islam—so much easier just to sidestep the whole ugly thing....

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