Egypt: Muslims force Christians out of church during prayer, police advise priest to comply

According to a story in yesterday’s Mideast Christian News, Muslims in the village of Basra in Alexandria, Egypt, surrounded the local Coptic church, St. Lyons, during divine liturgy, “demanding that visiting Copts leave the church before the completion of prayers, and threatening to burn down the church if their demand was not met.” The priest, Father Severus, hurriedly contacted police by phone asking for aid only to be told to comply with their demands, "and do not let buses with visitors to come to the church anymore.” In face of such threats, Christian worshippers exited the church halfway through liturgy to jeers outside. As they drove away, Muslims hurled stones at their buses, and the priest was warned by “salafis and extremists” never again to allow visitors to the church, otherwise they would “destroy it.”

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And so it starts....

Look for more soon all over Egypt, the devils are emboldened.

Hurling stones and other projectiles and Christians and other non-Muslims seems to be a common behavior among Muslims, from Egypt to Dearborn.

typo correction: "projectiles [at] Christians"

Raymond, I have sometimes been asked variations of the following question by non-Jews in relation to anti-Semitism: "What is it that 'the Jews' did that warrants prejudice against them?"

People with a racial or theological axe to grind often try to find "logical" reasons motivating the bigots' actions against their victims; the victim must have just "done something" to cause others to have this or that bias against the group to which he belongs.

I have to admit that, as a Jew growing up in a rural part of California, I developed a complex about all of this in my early years. I could not understand how people, whom I thought should be rational and intelligent, could use insulting language, or even physically attack another human being just for a difference in race or religion.

Growing up, I realized the dynamics of power as one group seeks to oppress another: The victim doesn't have to do anything at all, his mere existence as "the other" is all that is necessary to set the perpetrator off.

The same applies to the dhimmi Christians in Egypt. These people's mere existence, their proud proclamation of faith in their G-d and in Christ, is what sets their Muslim neighnbors into a rage.

I am not a Christian; but in this instance, I would proudly stand with these people and proclaim myself their brother.

If we have learned anything from the past, it is the truth of Leviticus' words "Do not stand silently by your fellow's blood..." and "Do not follow a multitude to do evil..." NO human being can afford to remain silent in the face of this persecution of these people.

Today, seventy years after Europe's rivers ran red with Jewish blood, and a people disappeared through the crematoria chimneys that blacked the Polish skies, it is a blasphemy of the highest degree to remain silent when ANY human faces hatred in any form.

And so it begins ....were my exact thoughts too.

let it be known among your friends that there will not be TORAH should the Allah god through its spokeman Muhammad (lately contrived) enslave all the more to SHARIA ... a new and deadly lawbook that encourages vengeance and does not bring blessing

We are the Copts.

I agree with Battle_of_Tours. This is just the beginning. Instructive, though, of the necessity of always letting the Muslim know who the master is. It is a great mistake to treat the Muslim as an equal (disastrous to treat him as a superior) because the Muslim will invariably look at this kind of graciousness, this kind of diplomacy, as evidence of weakness. Control freaks always do and Islam has control-freakness written all over it. One knows this or should know it. It's one of about seventeen major reasons why Islam needs to be despised---and kept in its place. In any case, and given the choice, I would choose to live under the Egypt of the pharaohs (the Middle Kingdom most preferred) easily so than under Muslims and Sharia.

Now I see that the Constitution and laws be damned--the mob rules Dearborn. Film at 11:00.


These cowards and nutbars must be insane if they think they can project this oppression outside of Egypt on the 6'000'000'000 non-muslims that are now fed-up with their death-Cult created by a homophobic/pedophile.

I expect the muslims to destroy the Pyramids and any other structure they deem un-islamic and offensive to allah.
These are savages with the minds of children to react with anger and ruin any history that challenges their perception of reality that islam was always there from the start andm ust rule the Earth, but, to see what wait for Iran and Egypt, just watch the Planet Of The Apes #2 where they launch a Nuclear weapon to clense the Earth and appease their Ape-God and resort the Planet to its natural order run by Apes only.

At least the Apes died in battle for a cause and didn't use terrorism or be suicide-bombers going after females and baby apes.
The islamists tend to make people believe we did come from apes as taught in public schools, but , somehow the apes went off to Arabia and only advanced to walking upright and learning to use a knife and fork. Other than that, what the hell did islam give us besides pedophilia and beheadings.

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No doubt the Leftist blogosphere will carry this story of "Chrsitianophobia".

as far as muslims desping the jews, the most important reaso is that the jews did not give in to muhamad to convert to islam. in fact as a gesture muhamad also prohbited muslims to eat pork. but the jews did not give into his bull shit and literrally to muhamad to f..off. thus muhamad recieved a verse fro allah: there is a jew behind the tree come and kill him!!!! jew hatred however is not unique to muslims(islam). if you a little home work, you can easily find out why others hate the jews. that said you should be very proud of your jewishness. every where there is progress there is a jew making a diffirence from medicine to chemistry, physics and everthing in between. howevre what is mind boggling is that in this day and age anti semetism is still so wide spread. I have a freind who is a landscaper and he is straight off of the boat from italy and he belongs to a club called the columbus club. most members are italians and he asked me if i wanted to joing since they play poker, and usually high stake games,I said yes. I paid the $200.00 per year membership and my first night there was my last night. the members there are so disgusting, so racist and so antisemite that made my stomack churn. I was born and raised in iran and i am from the Gilan province by the caspien see where most people are very light skin. all i heard that night we, niggers,dirty jews who control everything, muslims terrorists, gooks, fucking germans. so on...... it is very disheartning. but I guess it is what it is. would it ever go away? I doubt it.
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"As they drove away, Muslims hurled stones at their buses,..."

One day Muslims are hurling stones and not to far in the future they will be slinging lead...

If we had a real President and a real State Department, we would be cancelling all aid, starting now, to any and all Islamic countries that do not allow Christians full civil rights. That would probably be ALL Islamic countries.

And the evil and despicable leftists, useful idiots, and musloid apologists will brazenly claim that these Copts were bussed in as a "show of aggression" and that they are "demanding special rights and concessions" thus "bringing this violence to themselves."

This twisted, reprehensible "logic" is to be expected from musloids. There is NO EXCUSE for Western enablers of this madness.

By adopting this stance of making hairbrained and quite frankly evil excuses for musloid violence on non-musloids, everywhere, YOU are the ones making a peaceful resolution impossible.

I expect the muslims to destroy the Pyramids and any other structure they deem un-islamic and offensive to allah.

Yes they will.

So right but it isn't just Dearborn or Egypt. It is everywhere and has been for 1400 years. It IS though now, again and sadly, becoming dangerous. Time I think to expel ALL Muslims from the west however "moderate" they may seem. One bad apple amd all that Expulsion is surely far more tolerant than the muslim solution which is painful genocide. They have after all proven that time and time again. I don't hear "moderate muslim " objection - EVER

the priest was warned by “salafis and extremists” never again to allow visitors to the church, otherwise they would “destroy it.”

A hollow warning since they will destroy it anyway...

shoutout to Coptic emigres - in Australia, UK, continental Europe, Canada, USA - who may be reading this.

Please, please, please: let the Copts of the diaspora NOW start having the rallies and the marches and the sit-ins and picketings outside the Egyptian consulates and embassies. And don't stop.

NOW.

And whatever you're doing, publicise it here. If you are holding solidarity rallies and marches, and prayer meetings, and if you plan on lobbying Western governments to call for Copts to be fast-tracked for asylum in the West, then let Mr Spencer know ASAP, so that whatever you are doing can be publicised here...so that all of us jihadwatchers who want to *do* something, can join you on the streets; can back you up in your representations to Egyptian diplomats and to our own politicians (by physically accompanying you, and also by writing our own letters of support); and can pray with and for you.

The ten million Copts in Egypt are looking down the barrel of a full-on screaming Jihad genocide that will dwarf in scale both the Shoah and the Genocide of the Armenians.

It's time to act, fast.

If you hold a rally in Australia, be assured that many Aussie jihadwatchers will be with you, so long as we have sufficient notice of the particulars. I would advise rallies in Sydney and Melbourne and Canberra and perhaps also in Brisbane. Confront our PM, our Immigration Minister and our Foreign Minister. Urge them to give Copts from Egypt priority over all other 'asylum seekers' and 'refugees'. Ask them why Australia is admitting Muslims - even *prioritising* Muslims - when the Copts of Egypt (who would be no threat at all to us, and would eagerly assimilate and prove an asset in Australian society, rather than a liability) are in imminent danger of suffering genocide at the hands of ...Muslims. We in Australia cannot take in all the Copts, but we could take a good few hundred thousand, surely; we are still, at least nominally, sixty percent Christian, and Copts are Christians.

I would encourage Ethiopia and South Sudan to consider taking in lots of Copts - at the same time as requesting assistance from UNHCR and from free Western countries, for the immediate care and absorption process of same - because a large influx of Coptic Christians would help tip the demographic balance decisively, in those countries, against the increasingly-aggressive Mohammedan colonies already present. The Copts are hard-working and entrepeneurial and used to hardship.

If the French were smart, they would take a punt on a million or so Copts, again with a view to quickly tipping the demographics against the Muslims.

Every Infidel warm body is needed. And there are many countries where the sudden addition of a hundred thousand, or five hundred thousand, or even a million life-affirming non-Muslims could put a nice spanner in the works of the demographic Jihad that the Muslims have been busily conducting.

I cannot but agree and wholeheartedly. The MSM are so stupid that they accept without question and peddle their crap to the populace. The BBC is an infamous islamophile. Muslims do no wrong in the opinion of the Beeb. No Woodward and Bernsteins left then. Definitely not in the Beeb - a once gold standard for news but no longer.

Pursuant to my posting above.

Wouldn't it be nice if - per miraculum - the UK, France, and the Netherlands, just for starters, expelled all their Muslims and replaced them with an equivalent number of Copts?

Does this qualify as appropriate peer pressure under the Istanbul Process? Let Ms. Clinton crow, like a crazy rooster.

You can be sure that they WILL destroy the pyramids - so unislamic.

Maybe you haven't noticed but in the last year the southern coasts of the mediterrean have turned totally to Islam. Those include ancient Carthage ( Libya) and Phoenicia (Lebanon).

Syria is probably about, with western help yet again, to fall to islamic fanatics. That just leaves Jordan, and perhaps Turkey, before the basis for a new "ottoman" caliphate can be formed with a VAST continous geography. Turkey? Well they are 80% there already and have already shed the secularist stance of Kamal Attaturk. And here in the EU we are still considering allowing such an increasingly islamic state to join "the union". Beggars belief. History of Islamic oppression clearly doen't inform the brains of western politicians, Only violent revolution. sadly, can change things. But then we've been there before.

I stand with jewish people; my own people, the ukranians, were also subjected to a wholesale slaughter by deliberate starvation, up to 10 million, by the monster stalin. Michael Coren, God bless him, has educated many people as to this shameful part of history.

The horrors to befall all non muzlum in Egypt are just beginning, in agreeance with posters above. Civilization just does not seem to learn and so doomed to repeat the past, until the true God steps in, soon.

What is stopping the leader of the Roman Catholic Church Pope Benoit XVI to go public and to denunciate what the Christian Copts have to endure in Egypt?

Enough is enough. Which religious leader or political leader will be the first to make history and go public to say he or she will stop sending funding to Egypt until the persecution stops.
Am I asking too much?

Dear Raymond: please send your translation of this article to former president Dhimmi Carter. Let us see if he still loves Jesus and His body (the church).

The problem is that even in large non-Muslim countries, Muslim infiltration and violence is going out of control.

Two examples:
Example 1
- Burma - has a population of 60m - and about 6 million Muslims. A summary of recent riots and pictures are available at:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/features/news/muslims-riots-in-burma-leaves-a-trail-of-death-and-devastation/

[The Muslims’ Riots in Burma that were started on June 8, have ended, leaving over 40 Buddhist villages burnt, including five Buddhist Monasteries, one Hindu Temple and several deaths....]

Example 2:

- France - unfortunately, in France's 65M people - the same thing is happening. The 6M Muslims are slowly driving out the Jewish population and media in France is still quite tongue tied about Muslim violence.

http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Opinion/Article.aspx?id=254203

[.a Parisian mother related how the fear of being physically attacked by Muslim extremist thugs means that it is “not rare at all today” for French Jewish students to attempt to pass themselves off as Muslim - with some even going as far as to fast on Ramadan. One case in point was a Jewish girl of North African descent who for years was successful in this deception, until finally she was “exposed” when Muslim girls caught her eating matzah in the bathroom during Pesah. After her classmates beat her viciously, they invited their male Muslim friends to their school to participate in a gang rape...]

Peanut Carter? I almost met him once in the North East of England. I, then a deputy chief officer of a major local authority so seriously senior, was stopped by a US goon from going about my business on MY patch,and MY building, in England. I was less than pleased and cared not a jot about Carter.
I came from a mining community. My immediiate thought was to kick the living **** out of the goon but decorum got the better of me - as well as the fear that he may,illegally, be carrying a gun. I am never less than realist.
Wouldn't do for a seriously senior officer to have decked a US bodyguard now would it. I had become civilised and no longer played rugby but he was smaller than me and I had, in the past and in my youth "taken care" of a few miners rather bigger than me - they really shouldn't have called me a "swat".
I really enjoy,still, fantasising about taking the twat down. Could I? Well I'm sure I could have and suddenly realise that presidential guards are rather less good than in films.
Off topic perhaps - except thst if I see presidential bodyguards as "easy meat" then what does that message convey? Perhaps pushover?

"as well as the fear that he may,illegally, be carrying a gun."

To be sure, he was carrying a gun, and he was carrying it legally. Here is the explanation:

First, when heads of state and heads of governments travel to other countries, they all travel with armed bodyguards. These men and women are armed in accord with whatever treaties and executive agreements are in force between the two countries. When the Prime Minister of the UK visits the US, there are armed guards from the UK present. No state or federal gun permits are issued. They have the right to provide armed protection to the UK prime minister under international law and not explicitly under US law.

Second, all of these guards enjoy diplomatic immunity to the same extent as the foreign head of state or head of government. Even if a UK court took issue with an armed US Secret Service agent, that agent could not legally be arrested.

We had an incident a few years back when Putin was visiting Bush in Maine. A couple of Russians passed a phony US $100 bill while buying vodka (what else?) and the shopkeeper called the police. He later heard that nothing could be done because they were FSB agents with diplomatic immunity.

So, if you had dealings with a rude US agent, I'm sorry. But if you had "taken him down" British law would have treated you as if you had taken down the King of Sweden's ambassador. Not a good career move.

BTW, Jimmy Carter is quickly becoming the worst ex-president in US history. That's saying a lot, considering that John Tyler joined the Confederacy.

You wrote "...but he [the American bodyguard] was smaller than me..."

Reminds me of a story of a friend who was into politics. She twice ended up at events that were attended by Walter Mondale (Carter's running mate) when he was first running for Vice-President, and she was recognized by a Secret Service agent who pulled her aside for questioning as a possible stalker. The conversation went like this:

"Excuse me, but I'm from the Secret Service"
"No you're not"
"Yes I am"
"No you're not"
"Yes I am" (shows badge)
"You ARE!...But you're so short!"
(crestfallen look on the agent's face)
Later she asked why someone so short became a Secret Service agent. He explained that someone had to crawl under public toilets before the Vice-Presidential candidate sat on it.

And why are we not relocating whole Coptic communities to the U.S. as political refugees? Mr. Obama brought over whole Muslim communities, but he is silent when it comes to any other religious group.


Coming to a neighbourhood near you.


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Wellington, as usual, I respect your comments. But, speaking as someone who knows the Middle Kingdom, its culture, and language from an up close and personal angle, it wouldn't be a good refuge. Maybe OZ would be better.

My wife's cousin is a Taiwanese businessman who runs a couple of factories in Huizhou and Suzhou. We spoke with him recently, and leaned that while Mainland China may be more prosperous than it was in the '90's, when we were there, its culture of corruption runs very, very deep and its work force is downright amoral. Further, this cousin understands that when officialdom wants the lands on which his plants stand, he will have to cut his losses and bow out.

While the Middle Kingdom of today is rough and tough on the Muslims, this is a function of its determination to stop any organization that is free from Communist Party control among the Chinese people. It's one reason why the Uyghur separatists have stood up for Han Evangelicals in the central and eastern provinces, and why Hui dissidents in Qinghai pointedly ignored both Christians and Tibetan Lamaists (the latter being their hereditary enemies) as targets during their angry demonstrations against the Chinese Communist Party and police.

Now, I could foresee the possibility that the right things may happen in China over the next couple of decades, for there are indeed positive things to be said about the country. If those things were to happen, I would also look at China as a possible refuge. But they haven't happened yet.

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