Thousands of Muslims call for Hagia Sophia to be turned into a mosque again

There is no significant call for turning it back into a church. Christians get no "right of return" to Constantinople. "Muslims praying that historic museum in Turkey be turned into mosque," by Ayla Jean Yackley for Reuters, May 27 (thanks to all who sent this in):

Thousands of devout Muslims prayed outside Turkey's historic Hagia Sophia museum on Saturday to protest a 1934 law that bars religious services at the former church and mosque.

Worshippers shouted, "Break the chains, let Hagia Sophia Mosque open," and "God is great" before kneeling in prayer as tourists looked on.

Turkey's secular laws prevent Muslims and Christians from formal worship within the 6th-century monument, the world's greatest cathedral for almost a millennium before invading Ottomans converted it into a mosque in the 15th century.

"Keeping Hagia Sophia Mosque closed is an insult to our mostly Muslim population of 75 million. It symbolises our ill-treatment by the West," Salih Turhan, head of the Anatolian Youth Association, which organised the event, told the crowd, whose male and female worshippers prayed separately according to Islamic custom.

The government has rejected requests from both Christians and Muslims to hold formal prayers at the site, historically and spiritually significant to adherents of both religions....

In 2010, 200 or so Greek American Orthodox aborted plans to pray at Hagia Sophia after the Turkish government threatened to block their entry into the country on security grounds.

The Ecumenical Patriarchate, spiritual leader of the world's 250 million Orthodox, does not support efforts to revert its former dominion into a church.

"We want it to remain a museum in line with the Republic of Turkey's principles," said Father Dositheos Anagnostopulos, the patriarch's spokesman.

"If it were to become a mosque, Christians wouldn't be able to pray there, and if it became a church it would be chaos."

And everyone knows why there would be chaos.

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And we can very easily guess what kinds of chaos the Patriarch is concerned about.

Muslims turning the Church into a Mosque is the insult, and THAT symbolises their ill-treatment to Christians. That persists to this day. How about turning Judaism holiest site into a Mosque too? Muslims have no shame.

Erasing truth and Christian history are Muslim specialties...

yes. he was being politically correct. islamic chaos is what he menat.
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Now we just need the Muslims in Spain to start protesting the Mosque in Cordoba.

Here are examples of the inherent “peace, justice, and tolerance,” indeed, as Obama informed us, “fairness” of Islam vis-à-vis the holiest of holies among Christian places of worship:

997-complete destruction of the Santiago de Compostela Cathedral (northern Spain)

1009-complete destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre (Jerusalem)

1453-conversion of Hagia Sophia into a mosque (Constantinople-Sultan Mehmet II’s “first official act” upon seizing the Orthodox Greek imperial capital)

Islam is not and has never been a “religion of peace, justice, and tolerance” vis-à-vis non-Muslims. The facts speak for themselves, if one is willing to open one’s eyes and broaden one's intellect.

The Louvre is next. They've already got their Mosque set up in the Cour Visconti.

In addition, Turkey's Islamization continues with ERDOGAN plan to build another massive mosque on a hill overlooking all of Istanbul-


"Erdoğan says huge mosque planned for İstanbul hill"

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-281913-erdogan-says-planning-huge-mosque-in-istanbul-hill.html

'Atlas Shrugs':-

"Turkey: Prime Minister's Erdogan's Islamic reforms: less schooling, more Koran"

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/03/turkey-prime-ministers-erdogans-islamic-reforms-less-schooling-more-koran.html?cid=6a00d8341c60bf53ef0168e872bb2d970c


From jihadwatch archives, seven years ago.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/08/petition-to-restore-the-hagia-sophia-as-a-church.html

Be sure to read the comments thread, as the redoubtable 'Hugh Fitzgerald', onetime frequent and erudite contributor, is in fine form.

Example:

'Hugh | August 8, 2005 6:11 PM

'A few years ago, a naive visitor, I was invited to dinner in Istanbul by those who might once have been called "Ottomans" in contradistinction to "Turks."

'These secularist Turks had studied or sent their children to study in the West, greatly disliked all signs of resurgent Islam, were acidulous on the subject of how Muslim women would stand in line at the American consulate or embassy to obtain visas, carefully removing their hijabs, and putting on earrings and lipstick just before entering the premises, and once they had made their pitch, or filled out the right forms, upon existing removed those earrings, wiped off that lipstick, put back that hijab.

'Yet in my innocence I asked why the Hagia Sophia could not be made again into a church.

'They looked at me as if I simply had not understood, could not understand, Turkish reality.

'What seemed to me (and some other Western guests) a perfectly reasonable thing to do, struck them as a fantastic request. "If we did that," the most vocal among the Turkish hosts replied, "we would have a revolution on our hands."

'I began to understand that even in "secular" Turkey, Kemalist Turkey, the Turkey for which Bernard Lewis had offered such a stout defense (even Lewis's indulgent attitude toward the nonsensical racist mythology of the "Sun-People" theories of Turkish nationalists, which Lewis described as a useful substitute for islam), the Turkey for which several figures recently prominent in the Administration once worked as registered foreign agents, was not the Turkey that Westerners imagine.

'It remained deeply Muslim, and one has only to turn to the astonishing apologetics of Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu (google his name, and "Jihadwatch" for more), a prominent historian of Ottoman science, and now the Secretary-General of the Organization of Islamic Countries, to see that the standards one normally applies cannot be applied in the case of many prominent Turksih academics.

'Filial piety, loyalty to Islam, simply clouds the mind and leads to the uttering, and belief in, all sorts of nonsense.

'No, the Hagia Sophia will not be turned into a church.

' And if it were, it would only be in order to win points from the Infidels that could be traded in for economic gain, and would not reflect any kind of spontaneous impulse to do right by the non-Muslims of what was once Byzantium, and has been steadily islamized ever since, perhaps never so bloodily and cruelly since the early centuries of Seljuk and Ottoman conquest as in the 20th century.

'See Vahakn Dadrian on the Armenian genocide, see Speros Vryonis ("The Mechanics of Destruction" or his polemic against Sanford Shaw).'


And Hugh again, from the archival item I linked in my posting above:

'Hugh | August 9, 2005 8:58 AM

"The Great Mosque of Cordoba was turned into a cathedral and also a museum. The same happened to the Toledo Mosque."
--- from a posting above

'But there is a difference. The mezquita in Cordoba (aligned not with Mecca but with Damascus) was built on top of a pre-existing Visigothic church. The spot was chosen deliberately, just as the "farthest mosque" from which Muhammad ascended into Heaven was chosen by the Umayyad Caliph so carefully to make a religio-political claim to the holiest site of Judaism, and one of the main sites of Christianity as well.

'As for the mosque in Toledo, it was built in 1000, and became a church in about 1200. In other words, it was a mosque for all of 200 years, and has been a church for 800 years.

'Hagia Sophia was the chief Christian structure in what was the first city of Christianity, the largest, richest, most important city, for a thousand years: Constantinople.

'It was a church for a thousand years, and there were plenty of Christians who remained in Constantinople (which was 50% non-Muslim in 1914) right up until this century, when the spasms of Islamic hatred had their obvious effect on the remaining Christians of Turkey, and of Istanbul.

'When in 1934 or so Ataturk managed finally to turn it into a museum, one might have expected that, in time -- another 50 years or so-- those "secular" and "Kemalist" Turks would manage to take the further step of turning Hagia Sophia back into a church.

'But no such step has been taken.

'Apparently, though mosques are opening up everywhere in the Western world, and the one a mile from the Vatican was built on 7 acres donated for the purpose by the city of Rome (in the dreamy belief that perhaps, just perhpas, Christians would be treated better in such places as Saudi Arabia -- fat chance!), in Paris, in London, in Turin and Hamburg and Lyon and Marseille and Washington and New York and...
well, you get the idea.

'But the first church of the city that was the first city of Christendom for a thousand years --allow it to become a church again?

'For Muslims, this is out of the question.

'And do not forget the "vision" of Muhammad --- that first Constantinople would fall to Islam, and then Rome.

'This story is frequently found on Muslim websites. It is vividly present for many Muslims. Almost no Christians are aware of it. They should begin to attempt to get inside the brains warped and stunted by Islam. Simply as an object of study, it holds some interest.

Not much, but some."

*My* prayer is this.

That at some moment in the future, perhaps the distant future, the Hagia Sophia, most beautiful church in all Christendom, the Church of the Holy Wisdom, the Divine Wisdom, *will* be a church once more; the minarets gone from around it; its icons and mosaics restored in all their glory, its bells re-made and re-hung and pealing out joyfully across the city, Constantinople once more.

And the paschal liturgy will be celebrated in all its splendour; but not only in Greek.

And not only in Armenian.

But in Kurdish and Turkish translation.

And many among the hundreds of white-robed catechumens descending into the waters of baptism and rising out of them to new life in Christ will be the Kurdish and Turkish descendants of those Muslim jihad mobsters who seized and pillaged and ruined the city in 1453.

Now *that* is *my* prayer, *my* dream.

For there is *nothing* too hard for the LORD.

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