N.J. Muslim group sues NYPD to stop routine counterterror efforts

If they're successful, what will happen? The NYPD will do less to stop jihad terror. Net result? More jihad terror. Since this is an entirely legal program, it is hard not to think that that is what the Muslims who are suing want.

"N.J. Muslim group sues NYPD to stop routine spying," by John Miller for CBS News, June 6 (thanks to all who sent this in):

(CBS News) A Muslim legal rights group is going to federal court Wednesday in New Jersey, claiming New York City's police department has violated the civil rights of innocent Muslims.

Earlier this year, the NYPD was criticized for a surveillance program targeting universities and mosques in several states.

The lawsuit is intended to take the controversy beyond the rhetoric and into the courtroom.

The NYPD says it's just doing its job, and doing it legally, but the group of New Jersey Muslims charges that the NYPD gathered secret files on Muslims, not because they were suspected of any crime, but simply because of their religion.

Abdul Kareem Muhammad is the imam of a mosque in Newark.

His mosque, like every other mosque in Newark, was listed in a secret NYPD intelligence report.

Imam Muhammad doesn't understand why his mosque in New Jersey was even mentioned.

He says he was "certainly" surprised that the New York police were involved. "We were surprised that this was going on, period," Muhammad says.

So were the imams of other mosques, Muslim schools, Muslim restaurants, Muslim-owned stores -- all listed in the NYPD report.

Now, some of them are suing.

"This surveillance, this spying, without question, was unjustified," says Muhammad. "And it was definitely, without doubt, an invasion of our civil, human and our constitutional rights."

To people who, in the post-911 world, would say Muslims are going to bear the brunt of a disproportionate amount of attention, Farhana Khera, executive director of Muslim Advocates, the group behind the lawsuit, says, "All Americans, including American Muslims, care deeply about our safety and security."

She says no other religion seems to be under the same microscope. "Just to give you an example," Khera notes, "there was reference in the documents to targeting, for example, the Iranian community, the Egyptian community, the Syrian community. But then there was explicit reference to the fact that they weren't targeting Syrian Jews or Iranian Jews or Egyptian Christians, but really, the focus was on Muslims."...

Uh, that's because Syrian Jews, Iranian Jews and Egyptian Christians aren't committing acts of violence worldwide in the name of their religion.

The lawsuit also charges that the NYPD monitored meetings and web postings of Muslim student associations.

One of the plaintiffs, Moiz Mohammed, is a molecular biology student at New Jersey's Rutgers University. He's a member of the Rutgers Muslim Student Association, which he describes as "an organization where students can come learn about Islam, participate, whether it be Muslim students or non-Muslim students. We cater to the whole university community."

The MSA is also a Muslim Brotherhood organization, so named in the same document in which the Brotherhood stated its goal of "eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within."

Mohammed says he's "never" heard any talk within the association of radicalization, or anyone suggesting violence.

"And," he adds, "I don't think anyone would actually say that in public, because all the other Muslims would not tolerate that behavior and that talk."

Certainly Muslims have on occasion turned in jihadist plotters. But much more often, we hear about Muslim leaders explaining to Muslims how they don't have to cooperate with authorities or tell them anything. Now, why is that?

NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly and Mayor Michael Bloomberg have both defended the practice, saying the information the NYPD collects is within the department's guidelines, which are approved and monitored by lawyers and a federal judge....

The plaintiffs say they don't intend to get money out of the suit. The monetary damages, they say, have been nominal.

They hope to get two things: They want a set of rules saying the NYPD can't do the surveillance anymore, and they want a federal judge to put a stamp on that.

And they want all the files expunged from the records.

Of course!

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If they are not preaching anything against USA, what are they afraid of?? Only the guilty will squawk so loudly!!

Guilty, guilty,guilty,...

Quote: "...claiming New York City's police department has violated the civil rights of innocent Muslims..." End of quote.

Sorry, fella, but there are no innocent muslims - anywhere.

"Sorry, fella, but there are no innocent muslims - anywhere."

I completely concur, George.

People whose beliefs are anti-American should be investigated. By definition that means every single Muslim. I would expect to be investigated if I espoused Nazi values.

We must face the fact that Muslims believe that Americans are their natural enemies. Of course, they don't want us investigating them. Too bad.

"Mohammed says he's "never" heard any talk within the association of radicalization, or anyone suggesting violence"

It's all in their koran (chapter and verse given for proof)

047.004 - Beheadings

033.052 - Gang Rape of female 'infidels'

005.033 - Crucifixions

008.067 - Treason (slander in a non-muslim court is commanded when defending islam)

033.061 - Genocide "without mercy"

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Those teachings are illegal. Feeding those teachings to children - is child abuse. This is what the NYPD should be investigting - and publicizing.

As you know, when stuff like this happens, you can be sure Hamas-CAIR is involved.

"A Muslim legal rights group is going to federal court Wednesday in New Jersey, claiming New York City's police department has violated the civil rights of innocent Muslims. "

apparently NYPDs surveillance program is working and is touching the nerves of the pious Muslims...

Well I was born in Turkey and I look like a real Middle Eastern Man because that is what I am. So if I am selected to be questioned for ANY REASON for my looks or my association with ANY GROUP by police it would not hurt my feelings at all. Infact, in the past, during my International travels I have been selected in various European airports to be questioned EXTRA. That has never bothered me at all as I wanted to be SAFE myself from any crazy "terrorist" harm.

So this complaint that "innocent muslims" being "spied" should be the reason to investigate more. Why would or should they feel "violated" if they are innocent. RIGHT?

What the NYCP did is uncontitution and illegal spying on muslum without than basis in fact is uncontitution and illegal.

This is ridiculous. Once again they are hiding behind the "religion" shield: the fallacy that all religions are pure and equal and in accordance with universal human rights. Somebody has to just come out, bite the bullet, and state that not all religions are created equal when it comes to such things.

If 99% of terrorist acts were being perpetrated by Christian men involved with the Knights of Columbus, does anyone believe the public would be AGAINST the FBI listening in on KOC meetings to see what's happening? Especially if such meetings are open to the public, as mosques are? Of course not.

I was once driving my pickup alone in a rural area and I was pulled over and questioned by a cop parked near a highway on-ramp. I answered his questions and he sent me on my way. I asked what was the problem and he told me there had been a break-in at a cabin nearly and he was just interviewing people. Clearly he was "profiling". I was a stranger, a lone male in my 20s driving a pickup in the middle of the week. Would be have been as likely to pull over a minivan with a woman and her 4 kids? Of course not. Did I feel "profiled", and my "rights infringed" upon? Of course not. That cop was doing the right thing in approaching the people statistically most likely to have committed the crime. As long as he wasn't breaking any laws or infringing upon my civil rights I say MONITOR AWAY.

The only ones complaining about such scrutiny are the guilty or their supporters.

It's not illegal to perform surveillance when their IS a risk of violence. You must remember that SOME of your fellow muslims have declared war on the US and the NYPD has done a magnificent job of finding these perps with the help of said surveillance so it will continue and no laws suit will stop it.

Defender...We need to spy on you guys more not less...We need street camera's, surveillance drones, tapped phones, hidden camera's mics and police infiltrators in every mosque...The kuffar police even wrote a song about it...

Every breath you take
And every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
Ill be watching you

Every single day
And every word you say
Every game you play
Every night you stay
I'll be watching you

You're being watched Defender...don't make any sudden moves...

DOI dropping:

"What the NYCP did is uncontitution and illegal spying on muslum without than basis in fact is uncontitution and illegal."

A mohammedan has just proclaimed this as fact so everyone take note. Hey whatever you do, don't confuse him with the facts ...

You don't open an umbrella after the rain, but before it.

You actually have the nerve to demand people to stop spying on Muslim ...even when you know there is a threat of Islamic of some kind, every twist and every turn ???

You must be joking ... to bad it is not funny ... it is deadly

Do I have to remind you there was 19000 Islamic related attempted and terrorist attacks since 9/11 ...

Just think of it this way ...as long as you only praying in these Mosques and nothing criminal ... you and your Muslim friend will be OK .

Sam,

Very good attitude. Robert Spencer himself, being quite a "swarthy, hairy" chap, often gets profiled, particularly when he's writing his blog in an airport waiting area.....he will attest to this fact. And he, like you, goes through the motions because it is all for the greater good. Better safe than sorry. Keep up the good fight.

Ima

What are they at the mosque bitching about? They are failing to see the bigger picture, that this investigation and surveillance by NYPD gives them an excellent Muslim "da'wa" moment.

But then the evidence garnished thus far is pretty damning:

FOLIED TERRORIST ATTACKS in the post 9/11 United States

The foiled American Airlines shoe bomber - 2001
Dirty bomb attempts -2002
Terrorist cells in Buffalo, NY - 2002
Brooklyn Bridge destruction plot - 2003
Bombing New York Stock Exchange attempt - 2004
Failed New York subway attack - 2004
Failed weapons of war procurement in Albanay, NY - 2004

Attempted Los Angeles area terrorism - 2005
Failed natural gas pipeline attempt, WY - 2005
Bomb building by terrorists in Toledo, Ohio - 2006
Washington, DC, terror attempts - 2006
Plotting blowing up Sears Tower in Chicago - 2006
Failed bomb attack on Hudson River tunnels - 2006
Fort Dix attempted terror attack - 2006
Failed attempt to bomb JFK airport's fuel line - 2007

Plotting to bomb New York synagogues - 2009
Failed attempt to bomb downtown Dallas office tower - 2009
Attempted mass murder on Delta Flight over Detroit - 2009
etc...

… and sundry other 'terrorist' attempts by Muslims not only in the USA but worldwide.
So the NYPD and FBI have their hands full, and obviously doing a great job in foiling all these attempted (ALL Muslims) attacks.

Then some get through, like all the 'successful' Jihad attacks, now counting over 19,000 since 9/11 alone.

Well, you think the New Jersey mosque has a legal leg to stand on? The evidence overwhelmingly marshals against their so-called "religion of peace". The more they sqwawk, the deeper we should look. And their nonsensical protestations should be soundly ignored. But then, Islam's mind numbing irrationally deceitful tenets does not produce the best, does it? Allah obviously does not need or want intelligent "slaves". Brains is not their forte.

"And it was definitely, without doubt, an invasion of our civil, human and our constitutional rights."

It's hard not to laugh when Muslims say stuff like this. They are devotees of an ideology that explicitly assaults human and constitutional rights with their kill apostates and insulters of Islam or Muhammad laws actively enforced in Muslim lands for centuries. They are consummate hypocrites.

Their "religion" should be, by constitutional amendment, explicitly ruled out as a religion for constitutional protection purposes. This is possible with enough education & spine for self defense.

"What the NYCP did is uncontitution and illegal spying on muslum without than basis in fact is uncontitution and illegal. "

bwahahahahahaha....you're too funny...Are you a Muslim comedian?

@DoI: "What the NYCP did is uncontitution and illegal spying on muslum without than basis in fact is uncontitution and illegal."

Oh, really? … and the list goes on…

More terrorist plots foiled, up to July 2011:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/08/9-11-anniversary-45-terror-plots-foiled-in-last-10-years.html

And the NJ mosque has a complaint? Well, sign the complaint card, and go away. Inshallah, we'll catch the rest of you. Legally, with cause. We got your number.

Of course it makes perfect sense to shut down the police investigation or at least extend it to Jews and Christians from the Middle East. Snark.

Of the three readily identifiable groups involved, only one, the Islamists, have declared war on the West. It's shear insanity to deny that the threat comes from the Moslem sector. Additionally, there is no danger to anyone from the Jewish or Christian sector.

If my left hand hurts, I don't look at my right.

Perhaps SIOA and ACT for America would consider holding a 'We Love the NYPD' rally in NYC, to *congratulate* the NYPD on its successes in defending the City against jihad since 9/11?


Further observation: did everyone notice *this* bit in the article?

"One of the plaintiffs, Moiz Mohammed, is a molecular biology student at New Jersey's Rutgers University."

A **molecular biology** student.

And he's an MSA member.

Does that make anybody here feel safe and secure?

Combine Islamically-inculcated hatred of and contempt for the Dirty Kuffars, with a knowledge of molecular biology.

Not good.

New Jersey? I wonder how Chris Christie's muslim judge on the NJ high court feels about this.

If you really wanted to support Islam and your Muslim brothers and sisters, you'd wholeheartedly support the NYPD's initiative. You'd agree that anyone who is not in line with the Religion of Peace's efforts to spread its message of peace and harmony should be kicked out, or re-educated.

Of course, there are these niggling little problems; like Al Qur'an's command to '..fight until all religion is for Allah'.

Yep, tip-toeing around the implicit supremacism that characterises Islam might be a bit tricky from a marketing point of view.

You're a clown, Defender of the Indefensible!

Christian women from Faisalabad were on their way back home after attending the funeral service of their relative from Sandhilianwala, in Toba Tek Singh, when their van was stopped by traffic police near the railway level crossing, Pir Mahal on May 21, 2012.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/06/07/christian-women-tortured-by-police-in-pakistani-traffic-stop/#ixzz1x5zSEz5n

Youssef

Could someone with some clout please tell our legislators about this crap? I can't beleave how ignorant capital hill is worth regards to Islam.

This is a typical case of lawfare. What did the NYPD do that was unconstitutional or illegal? Did they invade Muslim houses with guns in their hands? Did they threaten any one? No nothing of that kind, they only did their job properly. Even Michael Bloomberg who is a friend of Muslims says so. This is a typical case of lie and libel. Poor occident, we're going down the drain.

Her screams were not drowned out by the clamor of the crazed mob of nearly 200 men around her. An endless number of hands reached toward the woman in the red shirt in an assault scene that lasted less than 15 minutes but felt more like an hour.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/06/07/alarming-assaults-on-women-in-egypts-tahrir/#ixzz1x6cheme0

Youssef

Yeah, but the problem is that some people are actively recruiting come bomb us here ... and there seems to always be a lot of plots directed at NY.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0606/al-qaeda-advertises-for-suicide-bombers-on-web.html

Makes sense that NYPD would want to be sure about what is being talked about locally and by whom.

If you are innocent, why would you be worried?

DefenderofIslam: "What the NYCP did is unconstitutional and illegal spying on muslum without than basis in fact is uncontitution and illegal."

Article. IV. Section. 4. (of the Constitution)

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) AGAINST DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

U.S. Law DEMANDS that the authorities protect the people from domestic violence.

When you change the teachings of your koran DOI...that is when you can claim your personal constitutional rights are being violated. For the rights of ALL citizens are covered under the U.S. Constitution. The same can not be said of your koran:

Here's just one example...

009.029 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

If you don't like the laws of America DOI - the OIC has 57 nations in which to choose from for you to move to.

Taqiyya. Uh oh. We read the whole Trilogy, Mo. Islam is no more a religion than any other fascist political ideology. If the DOJ ever decides to assert the supremacy of the US Constitution, Muslim preachers will be arrested and prosecuted by the thousands for sedition, subversion, inciting to murder, inciting to riot, incinting to arson, hate crimes.

Religion? Bad imitation of scrambled Judaism with a probably fictitious Arab as the final arbiter, pushed as the last testament. To bad Sura 9:5 (The Sword Sura) has been identified as the last or next to last and abrogates anything even remotely peaceful in Islam. Sharia equals Islamofacism.

Taqiyya. Taqiyya. Taqiyya. Anything said to a Kafir by a Muslim is probably, per Sharia, a lie.

"DefenderofIslam" wrote:

What the NYCP (sic) did is uncontitution (sic) and illegal spying on muslum (sic) without than basis in fact is uncontitution (sic) and illegal.
...............................

Battle of Tours has a long and profoundly disturbing list of Jihad plots by Muslims. A distressingly large number of these were in the New York/New Jersey area.

DoI, would you have preferred that all those acts of Jihad terror by your vicious coreligionists had been carried out, with the terrible attendant destruction and loss of life?

Would you, as a good Muslim, have cheered over such pious acts of Jihad?

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