Muslim preachers misunderstand Islam, say churches should not be built in Islamic countries

It is not permissible according to Sharia, they said. And it's true: Sharia forbids Christians in the Islamic state to build new churches or repair old ones. And while stories like this one are common enough, the iron dogma in the U.S. that Sharia is benign and completely compatible with Constitutional freedoms must never be questioned.

"Churches should not be built in Islamic countries, say preachers," from the Arab Times, July 27 (thanks to David):

KUWAIT CITY, July 26: A group of Islamic preachers claimed that churches should not be built in Islamic countries particularly in the Arabian Peninsula following the issuance of an approval for constructing a church in Jleeb Al-Shuyoukh, reports Al-Watan Arabic daily.

Undersecretary of Ministry of Awqaf and Islamic Affairs Mutlaq Al-Qarawi stressed that the ministry is not responsible for issuing licenses for building churches, and only receives the applications for licenses, which they refer immediately to the Municipality for review.

Meanwhile, Sheikh Nazem Al-Misbah pointed out that the Fatwa and Legislation Department should be questioned for such issues, stressing that based on his knowledge about Islam, it is forbidden to build churches in the Arabian Peninsula.

Adding to the Sheikh Nazem’s comment, Sheikh Mohammad Humoud Al-Najdi said building churches in Kuwait should be prohibited, as Kuwait is a part of the Arabian Peninsula.

Furthermore, Sheikh Sayed A-Rifae Al-Husseini expressed displeasure towards Ministry of Awqaf and Islamic Affairs, and the Municipality for approving the construction of a new church in Jleeb Al-Shuyoukh, stressing that it is not permissible as per the Sharia.

He added that giving excuses such as it is a matter of human rights and international norms to build it, is not acceptable, as Islam comes first, and people should respect religion first before serving humanity or anything else.

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There is a word in the English language that appears not to exist in most if not all Islamic and third world countries. That word is: Reciprocity. By invoking this one word on all dealings and treaties with the Islamic and 3rd world countries, the "West" would be able to halt all immigration from the 3rd world and the further spread of Islam in it's tracks. If churches cannot be build in Islamic countries then using "reciprocity", no mosques can be build in Western countries. Again, if a citizen from a Western nation cannot own land, buy a home, have equal rights and protection before the law, have access to free of first class schooling, hospitals and all the rest of the benefits available in the west, then via the principle of reciprocity, citizens from the 3rd world and Islamic countries can be denied those facilities and benefits in the Western nations. This is not being racist, it is being fair, especially to the citizens and tax payers in the Western nations.


Muslims on Friday set fire to Christian homes in a village near the Egyptian capital after a fight between a Muslim man and a Christian laundry worker who singed his shirt while ironing it, police said.

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How to get to Heaven.
According to Judaeism and Christianity: Love God above all things and love your neighbour as yourself.
According to Islam: Kill! Kill! Kill!

This is one reason why I want to puke every time I see a world history textbook speak about "Islamic tolerance". Early Islam kept the non-Muslim populations around only as a source of plunder for a parasitic ruling class (the original conquering Arab Muslims), and never allowed the expansion of their original space, only its contraction. The recent pronouncements by the Ikhwan that public transport workers should not give rides to Christian clergy, the continuing pressure on the Christians of the Fertile Crescent and Egypt, the cleansing of the Jews from their ancient diaspora countries, all point to the thoroughly bigoted character of Islam.

Add to this, the unwillingness of Islamic theology to come to grips with what its own book sees as prior revelation underscores that Islam is a sham.

@Border_Reiver:

Yes, Islam lacks the concept of "reciprocity"--although I believe this is something carried out by states in their diplomatic relations. No religion truly has a "reciprocal" approach towards beliefs they consider false or heretical. We're told about such things in Far Eastern religions, but, for example, the picture of Daoists painted in the Buddhist novel Xi You Ji (西游记) is a nasty one, while Buddhist behavior towards minorities in Sri Lanka and Burma/Myanmar during our own lifetimes has been deplorable.

Hence, asking "religions" (including what Justice Potter Stewart called "secular humanism" in his separate opinion in Abington v. Schempp) to show "reciprocity" is a non-starter. Only individual governments can do that.

As for the attitude towards mosque-building in Western countries, here in the USA we have free exercise of religion. There is nothing save local zoning laws that might prevent a group from ANY religious community collecting funds and other resources to build its place of worship. I'd be very wary of the USA using some kind of diplomatic reciprocity to prevent the building of a mosque, simply because I have a very high regard for all clauses of the First Amendment.

A better approach, which I have taken and intend to keep taking, is to be more honest in the historical education of our young people; and point out that their textbooks misrepresent the record when they speak of "Islamic tolerance". I also believe that people like our blog host do a very great public service in educating the public about aspects of Islam that the MSM and educational system are unwilling to reveal.

A further approach, which I as a Christian approve, albeit it's probably not open to non-Christians here, is to support the Evangelization of Muslims. While both "secular" (read: evolutionary materialist) history and Islam would have us believe that such a thing is impossible, it has and is happening. People like Yusef Nadharkhani have created such a stir in Iran precisely because the Gospel has impacted Muslims, instead of staying locked up in Armenian and Assyrian ghettos. The growth of Evangelical fellowships among the Turks and Kabyles are a backwash from the patient work of European brethren among the immigrant and guest worker populations. We'd also do well to pay closer attention to what happens in sub-Saharan Africa, too. In the USA, there have been many defections from Islam; and among American-based Christians of Iranian origin, Muslim background Believers are starting to crowd the older Assyrian and Armenian immigration. I say we let this continue.

Hence, for Americans here, use the First Amendment as much as possible. Keep the issues of Islamic supremacism, free speech (even if it gets offensive to some), and religious liberty alive.

Border_Reiver;

I certainly agree with the tenants of the laws of reciprocity in regards to Islamic practices that deny equal rights to non Muslims in Muslim Countries.

But the West is made up of countries that are built on freedoms and liberties not found in Muslim Countries. What should be enforced in America and the west is that we should not allow any form of sharia or any special religious accommodations for Muslims who try to bring their Islamic political world into our countries governments,schools and way of life.

Yes our very freedoms are in fact our Achilles Heal. I think the practice of political correctness is actually an oppressor of our freedoms as it forces us to ignore things that we should not ignore, or another recognize something for what it really is. And yet anyone who raises such warnings today are branded as Islamophobic racist bigots. Human rights commissions in countries like Canada and the Netherlands have been formed to crush free speech when comes to being critical of Islam, this is of course extremely dangerous to our freedoms when a group of people can charge you with their definition of hate speech. We of course saw this first hand Geert Wilders, and others in Austria, and Canada.

Way back in the 1990's when Kuwait was on the verge of invasion by Iraq, the United States rushed to defend their sovreignty.

We were right in the middle of producing 24 F/A-18 aircraft for these chimpanzees, who had no chance in hell of defending themselves.

I was a principal negotiator who was not allowed to meet face-to-face or even speak on the phone to a Kuwaiti since I was female. I stayed at McDonnell Douglas headquarters and priced the moves. Our Dept of State approved the sale. Ha!

Let's not forget when these people start killing one another that Christians and Jews are to be put in lifeboats and Muslim countries be left to sink. They will always be who they choose to be, and are not worth our blood.

kuwait, .... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, seem to remember the name of that country popping up not too long ago; wasn't that the country we saved when saddam hussein tried to absorb it into iraq?

So, no churches, huh? ... and I am sure the construction of jewish synagogues/temples is, of course, welcome, right?

Just warms the cockles of you heart, doesn't it?

I believe I have come up with THE SOLUTION, my friends.

This is so easy; has been staring us in the face all the time:

Issue a "MASTER CHANGE" to all languages that deletes the words, islam and muslim from those respective languages.

... after that change has taken effect, you know, the way microsoft makes you completely uinstall a program, before they allow you to download one of their spiffy new updates that is going to really bollix up your computer ...

Issue "MASTER CHANGE #2" which places the word "termite" everywhere you were using islam and muslim.

Simple, huh?


You're right, the Evangelization of Muslims is not impossible, it has and is happening. Here is the testimony of a Muslim sheikh.
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/05/dying-islam-lislam-mourant.html

CHUCHES SHOULD NOT BE BUILT IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES,SO ARE MUSLIM MOSQUES NOT BE PERMITTED TO BUILD IN NON-MUSLIM COUNTRIES.IT IS TIME TO RECIPROCATE EVERY MUSLIM ACT AGAINST US NON-MUSLIMS.

NEVER FORGET ... all the little bastard muslim pieces of shit kids who got the warning NOT TO GO INTO NYC FOR SCHOOL the day of 911.

How long are we gonna keep placating these termites?

Kepha,

As I imagine you'll agree, there is a very fundamental kind of reciprocity that Old and New Testaments teach, but that the core texts of Islam reject except in a very limited form: the Golden Rule. In Islam, the Golden Rule only applies among human beings who are both Muslim and male. That limitation is commanded and enforced in numerous ways.

In Islam there is a definite hierarchy by which human rights are distributed depending on the kind of human being you are. The order of entitlement is 1) Muslim males; 2) Muslim females; 3) Christian or Jewish males; 4)Christian or Jewish females; 5) non-Christian and non-Jewish males; 6) non-Christian and non-Jewish females. The further above another category you are, the less is the Golden Rule commanded in your actions toward that category of human being (unless, of course, Muslims are in the minority and for the sake of their security must pretend friendship with non-Muslims).

More broadly, according to Islam the sharpest divide in the parceling of basic human rights is between Muslims and non-Muslims. Non-Muslims are obligated in all kinds of ways toward Muslims, who are not obligated in return, except in very limited ways. Only Muslims are deemed fully human, and are thus entitled to all such human rights as Islam parsimoniously admits.

By contrast, both the Old Testament and New promulgate a golden rule that applies among all human beings, not just among Jews, or just among Christians. But that is not the only kind of reciprocity of significance. Because Jews and Christians believe human beings made in the image of God, they conceive a kind of reciprocity between divine and human. Human beings are or can become sons and daughters of God. In Islam, there is little reciprocity on that level. Human beings are made to be God's slaves/servants, nothing more. The Qur'an explicitly denies the notion that God has any sons or daughters (for example, here), and proclaims that human beings are not made in the image of God.

I imagine you have already seen this excerpt from Daniel Boorstin's outstanding essay on the distinction between Islam on the one hand, and Judaism and Christianity on the other.

Many Muslims, the so called intellectuals and academics, justify this by saying, it's to prevent false religions (that includes Christianity) from flourishing. You might find a Zakir Naik nonsense in Youtube saying while other religions teach 2+2=5, Islam teaches 2+2=4 (that's his "logical" explanation). Mosque building in Europe is a thriving strategy for the Muslims, sadly the Churches are being sold or some even turned into mosques...Always under the façade of Islamic center or (Multi)cultural Center, mega mosques are being built near schools, town centres, universities, public places...Unless people wake up against this stealth jihad, it will be too late...

as many of you may know by now that I just got back from Iran, where I was born and raised. this was the first time I was there in 14 year. I amde a point of nuying several papers each morning. some of the recomended by my sister telling ne that those paers are anti regim and some papers devoutly for the regim. one time there was an ad in just about a half dozen papers that I bought. the ad were placed by he city of tehran looking for fire fighters. besides some of the regular requirement, such as age, physical fitness etc... the ads however started something liek this:

cadidates must be muslims, or anyother religions with books from the sky. books from te sky means either jews or christians since god gave them Torah and the bible. so any other minorities such as Bahai are forbiddent to apply. what was said more importantly that the candidates MUST belive in Islamic rules and government, which means that the minorities must submit to the islamists. Folks:
Minorities have no rights in muslim countries. Period. they will never have any rights. it is Islam or else.
M

"He added that giving excuses such as it is a matter of human rights and international norms to build it, is not acceptable, as Islam comes first.."

As stated, it is not the followers of islam that deserve position, but islam itself "comes first".

Yet, many focus on just the muslim, the follower of islam. They are born, live, and then and pass on, and yet islam remains.

As such, our focus is best served by doing just what they do not want, and seeing islam itself as the enemy. As islam is protected by them, and declared off limits to all non followers by their actions and statements, we should see what they shield, as the exposed target, worthy of all contempt and attack, in every way possible.

Our battle effort must be targeted, and the enemy is exposed, it is the death cult that is known as islam.

I haven't read Boorstin's essay, but I will make it a point to do so. Normally, I'm a little leery of a lot of "secular" historians' accounts of what Christianity teaches.

Kepha,

The excerpt captures the essence of it, I think.

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