Obama's CIA considers Israel its No. 1 counterintelligence threat in the agency's Near East Division

More Obama betrayal of a loyal ally. "U.S. sees Israel as spy threat," by Matt Apuzzo for the Associated Press, July 29 (thanks to Pamela Geller):

WASHINGTON — WASHINGTON The CIA station chief opened the locked box containing the sensitive equipment he used from his home in Tel Aviv, Israel, to communicate with CIA headquarters in Virginia, only to find that someone had tampered with it. He sent word to his superiors about the break-in.

The incident, described by three former senior U.S. intelligence officials, might have been dismissed as just another cloak-and-dagger incident in the world of international espionage, except that the same thing had happened to the previous station chief in Israel.

It was a not-so-subtle reminder that, even in a country friendly to the United States, the CIA was itself being watched.

In a separate episode, according to two other former U.S. officials, a CIA officer in Israel came home to find the food in the refrigerator had been rearranged. In all the cases, the U.S. government believes Israel's security services were responsible.

Such meddling underscores what is widely known but rarely discussed outside intelligence circles: Despite inarguable ties between the U.S. and its closest ally in the Middle East and despite statements from U.S. politicians trumpeting the friendship, U.S. national security officials consider Israel to be, at times, a frustrating ally and a genuine counterintelligence threat.

In addition to what the former U.S. officials described as intrusions in homes in the past decade, Israel has been implicated in U.S. criminal espionage cases and disciplinary proceedings against CIA officers and blamed in the presumed death of an important spy in Syria for the CIA during the administration of President George W. Bush.

The CIA considers Israel its No. 1 counterintelligence threat in the agency's Near East Division, the group that oversees spying across the Middle East, according to current and former officials. Counterintelligence is the art of protecting national secrets from spies. This means the CIA believes that U.S. national secrets are safer from other Middle Eastern governments than from Israel....

Romney said in a speech this past week that Israel was "one of our fondest friends," and he criticized Obama for what he called the administration's "shabby treatment" of the Jewish state....

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U.S. national security officials consider Israel to be, at times, a frustrating ally and a genuine counterintelligence threat.

Then what do they consider Afghanistan/Pakistan to be? At least Israel isn't going to betray them like that bunch of shysters in the Pakistani security services.

AfPak clowns!

I thought that Intelligence was called 'intelligence' for a reason. Obviously not!

One can't blame Israel for being the world's foremost paranoids. And the USS Liberty incident did happen.

So the CIA sends agents to Israel and they complain that they're being watched?. So if Israel sends Mossad agents to the U.S. would they be left alone?.

Buffoons!.

Them Squirrels is gettin' awful smart. . .they've even figued-out how to open that guy's frigidaire. .

Those Zionist squirrel rascals have to be paid off, after all.

here's the real wonder

why are we even hearing about this?

why do we get so many CIA stories lately?

What kind of retards are running America's spy apparatus these days?

How do these idiots that can't stay out of the news KNOW it was a JOO that did it?

with all the muzzie loving America has been doing for the last, I don't know, 50 years, why can't it be a mustard that did it?

Even if it was the JOOZ, why wouldn't they be completely suspicious of the Islamerican's intentions and designs on a continuous basis?

At least we are only talking about the Zombies that work in the CIA that the JOOZ are targeting. Pffft, they aren't to be trusted even by all American Citizens.

How soon will all the CIA's resources be turned against American Citizens should (God forbid) Obama be re-elected?

It's perfectly reasonable for the US to consider Israel its strongest counterintelligence threat in the Mideast in the sense that Israeli intelligence is much more competent than that of other countries. On the other hand, other Middle Eastern countries, Israel is unlikely to use any information gained against the US.

Depends what is meant by "threat." As to WMD terrorism, it's obvious that Israel is no threat to the U.S., whereas the nations roundabout Israel are a threat to the U.S.

But it's also obvious that Israel's intelligence organizations are infinitely superior to those of other Middle East nations, for the very same reasons that U.S. intelligence is generally superior, and ancient Greek warfare was generally superior, to that of the East: liberty and technology make for the most formidable military forces. Victor Davis Hanson's best book, Carnage and Culture, makes that clear, I think.

In terms of intelligence only, then, our ally Israel is a "threat" -- things U.S. officials might want kept secret from Israel will in some respects be less secure than things the U.S. wants kept secret from, say, the incompetent Iranian government. But surely the U.S. is also notorious for spying on all and sundry, including allies?

Israel's intelligence is probably no more active in trying to ferret out U.S. secret activities in the Middle East, than U.S. intelligence is active in trying to ferret out Israeli secret activities in the Middle East.

The USS Liberty incident was a case of mistaken identity during the 1967 war. The Pentagon issued a warning for American naval vessels to keep a longer distance than normal from the countries involved. The USS Liberty didn't get the message and came too close to Israel. The Israelis saw an unidentified ship coming at Israel and at some point wrongly identified it as an Egyptian ship and attacked it. Mind you, it was wartime, not a regular day at the office. It wasn't a unique case in the history of war. There were many thousands of friendly fire incidents, mistakes and accidents between the US and its allies or non-hostile countries, as well as inter-American incidents. There are always mistakes in times of war. Both the governments of Israel and the US concluded after their respective investigations that it was a case of mistaken identity.

For those who insist it was deliberate, I'd like to know what do they think could have been Israel's motive. Why would Israel risk both a diplomatic and even a possible military conflict with the US while at war with several Arab armies just for the supposed "pleasure" of killing Americans? The IDF couldn't beat the American army even on a regular day, let alone while fighting also several Arab armies. A diplomatic conflict would be most undesirable as well. So what could have been the motive? If it was deliberate, there's only one possible answer, one possible reason that is crucial enough to risk American ire with all its possible implications: that Israel had very substantial information that the USS Liberty was there to aid the Arabs, which means the US acted as an enemy of Israel by joining the war efforts against it, thereby making its vessels a legitimate target. Excluding that possibility, the only reasonable explanation is a mistake, which just happens to be also the conclusion of the American government.

And if we like killing Americans so much why don't we do it more often? Why don't we attack American ships regularly? Why don't we commit terrorist attacks in America and on American targets elsewhere? Why don't we take American diplomats at the American embassy hostage? Why didn't we dance on the rooftops and pass cookies when the Twin Towers collapsed?

Counterintelligence means countering the espionage conducted on your country by foreign intelligence agencies. And yes, there's American espionage in Israel. One spy, Yosef Amit, was even caught and put in prison, much like Jonathan Pollard on the other side.

From the article:

"Matthew Aid, the author of "The Secret Sentry," about the NSA, said the U.S. started spying on Israel even before the state was created in 1948. Aid said the U.S. had a station on Cyprus dedicated to spying on Israel until 1974. Today, teams of Hebrew linguists are stationed at Fort Meade, Md., at the NSA, listening to intercepts of Israeli communications, he said."

When Israel spies on the US Israel is a bad ally. When the US spies on Israel and Israel thwarts some of it it's also Israel who is the bad ally. Talk about double standard.

"Israel employs highly sophisticated, professional spy services that rival American agencies in technical capability and recruiting human sources."

Israel being better than the Arabs and Iranians at thwarting foreign espionage efforts on its own country is hardly a surprise. That's what makes it the "No. 1 counterintelligence threat" in the Near East and not the benign intentions of the Muslim countries who presumably don't mind being spied on. Also having better intelligence gathering capabilities than other Near East nations is quite known. And as for being paranoid - it's not paranoia when people are really trying to kill you. Israel prevents thousands of terrorist attacks every year both on its own soil and on Israeli and Jewish targets all over the world. It also needs various types of information about what's happening and what's planned in enemy and hostile countries, which includes most of the Muslim world. Some of this information exists in the West and isn't passed on (there are persistent claims here the US had information about an imminent attack on Israel in 1973 and didn't warn Israel). It also needs to prevent sensitive information from getting into the wrong hands. Every mistake can be lethal, cost thousands of lives or even a complete annihilation. To be able to competently tackle such extensive threats and chellanges Israel needs bold and aggressive intelligence agencies. For the US it has its advantages and disadvantages - America gets a lot of information from Israel it will not get from either Egypt or Sweden (the latter because it doesn't need such robust intelliegnec capabilities).

In the end portraying Israel as a great threat to the US, if that trend catches, will get the US in trouble because it's delusional. The US has real enemies, and if instead it decides to see Israel as the enemy it will fail to recognize the real threats. As the threats escalate the US might actually appreciate having a regional ally with significant intelligence capabilities since neither Egypt nor Sweden will be of much use in this scenario. In fact the US already appreciates it, otherwise we wouldn't have such extensive intelligence cooperation. But whatever. I'm tired of arguing. Decide what you wish.

Well,when he was in the foreign service, Uncle Kepha was told that there's no such thing as a friendly foreign intelligence agency--that includes the British and Canadians, too. And since we're talking about Israel, remember Jonathan Pollard, anyone?

Seriously, even countries with LOTS of shared interests try to read each other's mail, so they say. There are also lots of things the Israelis know that we'd also like to know.

This being said, Uncle Kepha would love to see the CIA improve exponentially in its ability to gather human intelligence. But, one of our problems is that every so often, the USA gets very high-minded and wouldn't dream of having its brilliant college-educated boys and girls do anything so dastardly as dangle bait in front of foreigners who'd like to betray their own country; or someone hacks into our secrets and broadcasts them to the world. Note how several Afghans and Pakistanis who helped us track down leading Taliban and Osama Bin Laden were outed in the Wikileaks, and whacked shortly afterwards (Julian Assange getting blood for fifteen minutes of fame, as it were). Perhaps one of the biggest problems our spooks have is that the whole world knows that the USA can't keep a secret.

What do you expect
From liberals whos beliefes are so insane now
that they literally believe

that muslims are good misunderstood people
that communism works (yea right)
that america is evil and must be fundamentally changed
that all conservative americans are evil as they just wont stop clinging to their bibles and their guns..

Well i have a choice again
Either obey God and pray for Israel
or like all democrats, liberals and a lot of so called conseratives

Betray Isrrael so they can be anhillated by their enemiies
the muslims..

Sorry i will Die praying for Israel for i know who the real enemy is.. and it isnt our only ally in the entire middle east..

I wont expect now for any liberal to wake up
for their all to busy smoking their bongs while walking down the streets of the usa chanting anti USA slogans..

Indeed mcarthy was right on a lot of things..
He just didnt see it would take the communists and deomcrats 60 years to destroy our once great nation..

But here we are..

So each one must choose to either obey God (Jesus) and suffer the consequences of a radicalized DEMOCRAT NAZI party or go along and follow the democrats all the way to hell..

Sorry i wont..
For i would rather die free than to live a muslim or democrat / obama / pelosi slave

So, the Israelis are "spying" on SPIES of an ally that are spying on them in their country?

What a nerve!!!!

I seem to remember the US deporting Israelis that were "spying" in the US, that is, were following all kinds of Arabs engaging in "innocuous" activities such as taking flying lessons and other stuff, before 9/11 and alerting the US about it TWO years before 9/11.

UNREAL.

As a patriotic American it hurts me to say this but it's in Israel's national security and survival interests to keep a wide open covert eye on the most anti-Israel, pro-Islamist, un-American US administration in history.

...."Israel's intelligence is probably no more active in trying to ferret out U.S. secret activities in the Middle East, than U.S. intelligence is active in trying to ferret out Israeli secret activities in the Middle East."

.....this is the sensible, realistic way to take these voyeuristic "news" items in stride.

All of these guys are the literal "first line" in front, and are in fact defining the "front lines".....goes with the territory.

All should be grateful rather than playing Mary Poppins.

.......well said.


We're long past the days when our Secy. Stimson (I think that's who it was...) said, "Gentlemen don't read other gentlemen's mail."

....here's a paste from......Psssst!.....g o o g l e....

...."There's an old saying that goes, "Gentlemen don't read other gentlemen's mail."

It's attributed to President Herbert Hoover's Secretary of State Henry L. Stimson, who in 1929 shut down the office in the U.S. State Department responsible for breaking codes to read messages sent between embassies of other countries and their capitals.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_said_gentlemen_don't_read_other_gentlemen's_mail_and_what_does_it_mean#ixzz226zeheMZ...."

That's way too logical !
I totally agree ! The USS Liberty was a mistake and Israel paid dearly for it !
There is absolutely no reason Israel would do this !
Liberty was a Spy ship but that is common even today !

It is just another Muslim talking point to spread hate for the Jews !

I have no special information about this, but I would bet medium sized money that this story was leaked to AP specifically to draw attention away from the Huma Abedin / Muslim Brotherhood / national security question.

The timing is just too suggestive.

Beyond that, if you read the AP story itself, there is very little in it that could be called news. Only some speculative fluff about what might or might not have happened to a piece of equipment in a CIA person's home in Tel Aviv.

It just looks and smells like a put up job.

My thought is that the BO admin. has reached a new low of open Jew-baiting -- the old divided loyalties thing -- the international Jewish conspiracy. And is using it to distract from an actual, factual anti-American loyalties (not divided loyalties) problem with Muslim Brotherhood operatives in the US gov't.

Somewhat off-topic, but here goes:
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WHY IT DOESN’T MATTER IF OBAMA IS A MUSLIM OR NOT

Obama is not a Muslim.

For the sake of this short essay, one is asked to concede, for the moment, this assertion.

The need for concession actually helps makes the argument –the suspension of belief is needed to suspend disbelief: It doesn’t matter if our President is a Muslim, or not.

It doesn’t matter if Obama is a secret Muslim, either, and it doesn’t matter that his overt actions point dangerously to the suspicion. The evidence is too lengthy to go into – literally – but one might mention the Muslim Botherhood and his vocal and policy-based “statements” in support of it.

See, the thing is; Obama is deathly afraid of the Muslims, at heart, because he is not actually stupid, but rather, ignorant.

This is why he has delayed the Hassan Nidal tribunal and the Guantanamo problem as long as possible. This explains his drone campaign against strictly Muslim targets. This is why his transfers of prisoners out of Guantanamo were not done secretly, as Bush did, but publicly (enough) to throw a bone to his anti-war, PC-infested voting bloc. He knows, however, that another (just one more) major attack on America by Muslims would absolutely doom his chances at re-election and his entire legacy as President.

If such a thing were to occur, he would forever be viewed as the “weak” President who came after Bush, (his whipping boy) who, (at very least), kept us safe from another biggie during the rest of his first and the entirety of his second administration. Above all, Obama seeks to placate the Muslim countries, at all costs, and at the expense of Israel if prudent to his agenda. The safety of America and our armed forces and the survival of Israel are secondary to his ego aggrandizement.

Obama is not a religious man – he’s a pure, Chicago political animal – he really doesn’t give a hoot about your particular religious persuasion – just whether or not you are in his camp. Hence, the almost Vaudevillian “inclusion” of all the strangest people from the left in his administration and its advisors – from William Ayers to Janet Napolitano to Huma Abedin to Mohammed ElBiary.

It is almost sickening to consider – but in the purest sense – we’re screwed, (at least until January 2013) because Obama doesn’t have a clue to the real dangers of Islam, despite his “Islamic” upbringing and his Muslim father. Believe me, (even if you don’t want to) if Obama were a “real” Muslim, he’d say it flat-out and he’d be praying in the Oval Office five times per day.

The size of his ego would demand it.

No…he’s just a Narcissist without a clue, who years ago hitched his community organizer wagon to the multi-culti inclusion train because he loves the power of elected office.

Basically, he and his wife are moochers – vengeful moochers who seek to get back at Whitey (and the British and the Jews and the Banks and small business owners and the Catholic Church and the State of Arizona, etc.) any way they can. If including Muslims in the deal on a domestic and international basis increases his chances of re-election and/or avoids disaster, then he will embrace the idea. He would embrace the Devil, I’m convinced, if need be.

Obama isn’t a Muslim, secretly or otherwise.
___________________________________________

He’s a Multicultural Megalomaniac.

re:

"Israel being better than the Arabs and Iranians at thwarting foreign espionage efforts on its own country . . ."

Given the degree of Islamophilic, antisemitic as well as devout Muslim & Ikhwan infiltration within this administration, Israel's task to remain several steps ahead of the game is - to our utter shame - challenged beyond all reason.

This is why I am saying, at every opportunity, that large pro-Israel rallies (and marches; and dinners, and workshops, and teach-ins) need to be organised, now.

Poster campaigns, like Geller is doing, are only the first step.

But the Friends of Zion, all of them, Jewish and non-Jewish, need to be rallying, now. On the streets. In the squares. In front of Congress and assorted Houses of Parliament. And on university campuses: the big ones, the main universities. In front of the Israeli embassy in country after country - holding up banners saying 'I Am A Gharkad Tree' (the Mohammedans will see it and will know *exactly* what you mean; so the crowd had better contain lots of large, burly blokes, *that* will send a message to the Mob). Present each Israeli ambassador with cards and letters of support and encouragement...by the sackful.

Show the politicians all over the West that many, many more people than just the Jewish diaspora community care about the survival of the tiny, heartbreakingly brave, beleaguered Jewish state, out there on the front line of civilisation, assailed by merciless neverending genocidal Jihad.

*I* don't have the contacts or the expertise to organise a march or a rally. But if somebody with those skills *does*, and advertises it here, and there's one in my hometown, then ...I'll be there, wearing a Star of David.

Obama's CIA considers Israel its No. 1 counterintelligence threat in the agency's Near East Division
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*Madness*. This administration doesn't know who its enemies are—*or* who its friends are.

And that's the *best* interpretation of this insanity.

More:

More Obama betrayal of a loyal ally.
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That's *exactly* what this is.

More:

Romney said in a speech this past week that Israel was "one of our fondest friends," and he criticized Obama for what he called the administration's "shabby treatment" of the Jewish state....
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That's *exactly* what it is. Good to hear a presidential candidate say so.

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