Pakistan shuns its only Nobel laureate, physicist linked to discovery of "God particle," because he was an Ahmadi

In the U.S., the Ahmadis carry water for the Islamic supremacists who are murdering and persecuting them in Pakistan and Indonesia. "Pakistan shuns its only Nobel laureate - physicist linked to discovery of 'God particle,'" from AP, July 9 (thanks to all who sent this in):

ISLAMABAD: The pioneering work of Abdus Salam, Pakistan's only Nobel laureate, helped lead to the apparent discovery of the subatomic " God particle" last week. But the late physicist is no hero at home, where his name has been stricken from school textbooks.

Praise within Pakistan for Salam, who also guided the early stages of the country's nuclear program, faded decades ago as Muslim fundamentalists gained power. He belonged to the Ahmadi sect, which has been persecuted by the government and targeted by Taliban militants who view its members as heretics.

Their plight along with that of Pakistan's other religious minorities, such as Shiite Muslims, Christians and Hindus has deepened in recent years as hardline interpretations of Islam have gained ground and militants have stepped up attacks against groups they oppose. Most Pakistanis are Sunni Muslims.

Salam, a child prodigy born in 1926 in what was to become Pakistan after the partition of British-controlled India, won more than a dozen international prizes and honors. In 1979, he was co-winner of the Nobel Prize for his work on the so-called Standard Model of particle physics, which theorizes how fundamental forces govern the overall dynamics of the universe. He died in 1996....

Salam's life, along with the fate of the 3 million other Ahmadis in Pakistan, drastically changed in 1974 when parliament amended the constitution to declare that members of the sect were not considered Muslims under Pakistani law.

Ahmadis believe their spiritual leader, Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who died in 1908, was a prophet of God a position rejected by the government in response to a mass movement led by Pakistan's major Islamic parties. Islam considers Muhammad the last prophet and those who subsequently declared themselves prophets as heretics.

All Pakistani passport applicants must sign a section saying the Ahmadi faith's founder was an "impostor" and his followers are "non-Muslims." Ahmadis are prevented by law in Pakistan to "pose" as Muslims, declare their faith publicly, call their places of worship mosques or perform the Muslim call to prayer. They can be punished with prison and even death.

Salam resigned from his government post in protest following the 1974 constitutional amendment and eventually moved to Europe to pursue his work. In Italy, he created a center for theoretical physics to help physicists from the developing world....

Despite his achievements, Salam's name appears in few textbooks and is rarely mentioned by Pakistani leaders or the media. By contrast, fellow Pakistani physicist A.Q. Khan, who played a key role in developing the country's nuclear bomb and later confessed to spreading nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya, is considered a national hero. Khan is a Muslim.

Officials at Quaid-i-Azam University had to cancel plans for Salam to lecture about his Nobel-winning theory when Islamist student activists threatened to break the physicist's legs, said his colleague Hoodbhoy....

The president who honored Salam would later go on to intensify persecution of Ahmadis, for whom life in Pakistan has grown even more precarious. Taliban militants attacked two mosques packed with Ahmadis in Lahore in 2010, killing at least 80 people.

"Many Ahmadis have received letters from fundamentalists since the 2010 attacks threatening to target them again, and the government isn't doing anything," said Qamar Suleiman, a spokesman for the Ahmadi community.

For Salam, not even death saved him from being targeted.

Hoodbhoy said his body was returned to Pakistan in 1996 after he died in Oxford, England, and was buried under a gravestone that read "First Muslim Nobel Laureate." A local magistrate ordered that the word "Muslim" be erased.

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Islam has no need of genius.

The AP says "Ahmadi sect"... and what is Islam?.

While this story may appear to be an awful example of how Islam treats it's people, it is actually a very rewarding story for the West.

Intelligent beings will seek out places where they can live and work in peace. This being the West. It will leave places that revere Islam decimated with ignorance and wallowing in "what might have been". Nations that want to evolve and grow will succeed, while nations that stagnate will die. Look to the Indian nations of America to see the perfect example. The Indians stagnated and died off. America prospered.

So, we will welcome your "castaways" who offer something to us other than a religion that despises innovation We will continue on while we read about your dead religion in the history books of tomorrow.

This also has a lesson in it for the West: Keep innovating or die.

The question in my mind is why these dumb Ahmadis insist that they are Muslims when Muslims themselves refuse to do so and are ready to kill them if they(Ahmadis) call themselves Muslims. They should have left Islam a long ago and joined the humanity. Sayonara Islam. Good riddance!! But then Islam makes all Muslims brain dead, Ahmadi or Sunni or Shia or Sufi. And Ahmadis can't leave that jail!!

Who remembers our old pal Naseem, the Pakistani Ahmadi who trolled here for several years? Who exhorted us to "skip a sura" (just overlook Islam's nefarious intentions and attitudes) and embrace the future "Islamic States of America" ISA(tm). And thereupon, she'd continue, would we please protect her from the Real Muslims, who oppress her type in her homeland? In other words, total supremacism - be dehumanised and oppressed until we "revert" - but then keep the mean Sunnis from oppressing her in a non-Sharia based "ISA" which is kept moderate by the preponderance of Westerners who (despite having become Muslims) will retain some bit of our deeply rooted 'live and let live' ways!

Bizarrely schitzophrenic. Wishing us loss and suffering, then insisting our morals should obligate us to pity her victimization by the muslims - to whom she wants to see us lose all we cherish!

Naseem made me rethink my reflexive urge to defend Ahmadis oppressed by the intolerant mainstream muslim majority in places like Pakistan. Same conscience-free mohammedan dehumanization of non-muslims, the same "infidelophobia."

Many illuminating threads with JW's "official Ahmadi" may be found by Googling "site:www.jihadwatch.org Naseem"

A grand total of two Moslem winners of Nobel science prizes (the second was Ahmed Zewail for Chemistry in 1999). Not much of a showing for a group that claims 20% of the world's population. Compare to the 25 Prizes in chemistry alone for Germans, with just over 1% of the population. Or the 100+ science Prizes for Jews, with about 1/4 of 1%.

The more balanced cognitive dissonant typically changes the idealized belief to conform to the reality, over time, but naseem, being more cracked than some, as a supremacist, wanted to change our reality, short of terrorism, to conform to the vision or her idealized belief.

Seems the islam creed is all about beliefs that have no connection to reality, forever. Some victims seek to resolve this conflict, who thus become apostates. Some victims just believe the fraud beliefs, and become terrorists, like activated zombies, or assist terrorists, in their own form of trying to change reality, physically. Some, seek no relief from the mental conflict, some can't even figure the conflict out, and just drift onward, as pure zombies.

Cuda, your American Indian comparative, caused me to consider history and some of its larger lessons. While there were much larger populations of peoples of the European continent, I see two critical reasons for the incredible progress in all manners, technology through social. One was the recording in details through writing, of society's progress, and considerations philosophical. Also, the increasing dissemination of information, first through scribing, then through mass distribution.

The practice of generally encouraging of education, of all previous thoughts and accomplishments, examining them, both good and bad, had a salutary benefit also. Over time, ever less misogyny was practiced, that is including the education of women, to be equal to men, although often women had to struggle against practiced stereotypes to accomplish. But the result was to civilize, to bring women online academically, and contribute in even greater ways than historically.

And just as in the benefits of having common computer languages, than the stunning disadvantages of multiple proprietary languages, and above all, having computers that could work universally with data, so is the benefit of having common written and spoken language, perhaps the second liberating reason of progress of civilization. Otherwise, the out groups uncommon languages, become their entrapment to relative obscurity, as little tribes isolated from all the progress of the larger group.

Thus, as with the world's tribes, and other groups, that could not join in with the larger groups, who used every manner of device and innovation that could bring about progress, those non-joining, non-adapting, non-participants found themselves relatively defenseless over time, incapable of major innovations quickly enough, to stay in the game, to compete or defend.

Cuda, your sum up is well stated, ‘innovate to your best ability, or die off’.

A little known fact about Abdus Salam - that he was the father of the Pakistani Nuclear program before it became Abdul Qadeer Khan's bastard child - has received scant attention in many of the news stories that have eulogized Salam's contribution to Physics.Ironically, Salam was awarded Pakistan's highest civilian honour -the Nishaan-e-Pakistan by Pakistani dictator Gen.Zia Ul-Huq who intensified the Pakistani governments purge of Ahmedis from government jobs the same year.

Did the so-called 'last of the prophets' conceive of the Higgs boson ?. . . Don't think so, somehow.

The Suni Muslims, the majority in most cases, persecute Shi'ite Muslims. Shi'ites, in the areas like Iran where they are the majority, persecute the Shunis.

Both persecute the Sufis and the Ahmadiyyas.

Does the fact that the Ahmadiyyas are persecuted by other Muslims make the Ahmadis more virtuous or less dangerous than other Muslims?

Abdus Salaam helped to institute Pakistan's nuclear (weapons) program. This nuclear weapons capability may yet cost hundreds of millions of lives. It was Pakistan that rejected Salaam, not the other way around. He would have been more than happy to stay in Pakistan and continue to lend his talents to giving Pakistan its nuclear capability.

The Ahmadiyyas themselves are traditional Muslims, except they made the mistake of following a leader faintly more modern than the 7th Century Muhammad. For this they are persecuted, but still consider themselves thoroughly Muslim. And, they're correct.

I found an interesting website called "Ahmadis and the State of Israel"

http://www.alislam.org/books/truth/israel.html

This website defends Ahmadis as having been the very first to oppose the creation of the state of Israel:

This is the statement of a so-called moderate Ahmadi:

We have received a tract which comprises an address of Al-Syed Mirza Mahmud Ahmad Sahib which he delivered in Lahore. In this address he has urged the Muslims to unite and has drawn attention to the need of solid and effective efforts towards rescuing Palestine from the grip of Zionist criminals and has asked the people of Pakistan to render immediate help to the Palestine Arabs. Reminding the Muslims of their common allegiance to the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, and arguing from verses of the Holy Quran the speaker has urged them to organize themselves to with-stand the onsets of the Zionist criminals who are being supported by the United States and Communist Russia in pursuance of their interests and special purposes. He has asked the Muslims not to display weakness or distress, but to keep in mind their obligations of Jihad for the upholding of Islam and Muslims.

Abdus Salam is one of only two persons to win a Nobel Prize in the sciences coming from a Muslim background.

A co-recipient and colleague of Salam, Steven Weinberg, related Salam's own frustrations with attempting to introduce sciences into the Arab world here (starting at 8:52 in the video):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrjYvJPHUcs

As ebonystone pointed out, the other was the Egyptian born (and now US citizen with professorship at Cal Tech) chemist by the name of Ahmed Zawail. He gave a lecture in Jordan in 2009 calling for a "scientific renaissance" in the Arab world. Judging by what we now see, it ain't happening anytime soon!

The Islamic world loves technology to control/manipulate/harm people, but as a rule it discourages involvement into scientific inquiry aimed at finding out how things work. And this is why many Muslims are more content to destroy things, than preserve them for sake of knowledge. What a bleak and terrifying future Islam offers, should it ever become the dominant force in the world.

TJ

Does it occur to you, and Cuda, that the Muslim da'wa artists are busy targeting Native Americans = who are by no means extinct - hoping to capitalise on existing unhappiness and memory of past injury, and foment even more?

What if a native American, a proud speaker of Navajo or of Cherokee - perhaps someone who has been raised a Christian and finds it more natural to pray in Cherokee or Navajo than in English, were to lob in here and overhear you and Cuda airily writing off his nation and his language, preemptively and complacently consigning them to oblivion?

Would what you have said, and the way you have said it, be likely to encourage him or her to reject the siren song of the dawa'ists, and join the Resistance to Jihad?

or would it repel them from the counter-jihad?

PS - *Why* must it be assumed that the world's small indigenous languages are a nasty nuisance, and that it would be a jolly good thing for them all to die out as fast as possible? What if you applied that argument to Hebrew? It's not as if *it* has ever been a 'world language', or a language of Empire!

Monoglot is actually quite unnatural for humans, and it is boring, and limits the imagination: and whether it is English, or Chinese, or whatever, it is just as boring as the forced Arabisation that is attempted throughout dar al Islam.

Anyone who claims to be Christian, at least, must bear in mind that beyond Babel is not a return to a single language, but...Pentecost, in which God is conceived of as simultaneously addressing a polyglot crowd, each in their own language and even their own dialect.

No Christian has any business buying into the idea that the silencing of minority languages is a good thing, and that everybody on earth really ought to speak only one language (preferably English), for the sake of 'efficiency'.


http://www.unitedbiblesocieties.org/sample-page/bible-translation/

Translations are currently in progress in no less than 2000 languages, many of them spoken by small peoples. And because of those translations, people may well continue to speak their languages, rather than losing them...How very, very awkward.

http://www.native-languages.org/

You might be surprised to discover just how many native North American languages still have living speakers, and how many people are doing extraordinary things - some of them inspired by the example of Hebrew - to recover and relearn and re-speak their languages.


http://ourmothertongues.org/language/Wampanoag/12

http://www.ogmios.org/home.htm

And just to make a point:

http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/Scotland/Scot_Gaelic1982.htm

PS - The new Muslim-background-believer churches springing up in the Kabyle of Algeria are largely Berber-speaking; they are the fruit of Berber-language gospel/bible broadcasts beamed into the country for decades. Suppose the Christians had decided not to bother with broadcasts in Berber, because it was an inferior and 'small' 'tribal' language, surely destined to be replaced by Arabic, and had chosen to broadcast only in Arabic?

Hamas MP Sheik Yunis Al-Astal talks about an "Islam Nation": but because the very nature of Islam is paranoia (illogically, a devil is a rival to their supposedly all-powerful god), there will never be such a "nation". Their belief system creates the whirlwinds of suspicion that keeps them from ever getting organized. Ain't life grand?
Will Knutsen
American writer in Denmark

Allah created the universe (and the Higgs-Boson). Why has he not been awarded a Nobel ? This is a clear case of Allahophobia.

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