Raymond Ibrahim: Huffington Post, MSM Facilitate Destruction of Egypt's Pyramids

I was going to give you my usual response. however I am happy you are here. we have one thing in common here. our atroucious spellling and grammer!!!!!
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Here's not a "hoxas." It's this: It is quite arguable that more people have been killed (never mind the destruction of other faiths' religious structures by Muslims) in the name of Islam than in the name of any other ideology ever contrived by man. The littany of blood on Islam's legacy is legion. I don't expect you to get this. You get so little anyway. And I don't care if you ever get this. But I do care that loads of others get this.

"DefenderofIslam" wrote:

It is than hoxas. First there are 6 million impact temple in India.The Holyest Christian Church was rebuilt by the muslum.That Leader was remove in than bloodless coup.
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Are *all* those calls for the destruction of the pyramids "hoxas"? There sure are a lot of them...

What about the beheading of mummies and the rest of the destruction at the Egyptian museum, and the destruction of the Institute of Egypt and its priceless library? Oh, sorry—°those* things have already happened.

And what about the pious Muslims destroying the Bamiyan Buddha, the shrines of Timbuktu, and the *entire Buddhist heritage* of the Maldives?

These are all things that have happened in the past twelve years.

By the way, what "Holyest Christian Church was rebuilt by the muslum"? And what "Leader was remove in than bloodless coup". You're being more than usually opaque here...
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And for anyone who may have wondered where that other Muslim troll "Mensch Keymelon" went, he is now over at Front Page Magazine, spewing his ugly crap (although he's posting as "Mensch Kaymelon"—clearly this is the same poster). Here's his post on this story there:

The Romans were wise enough to see the value in a pile of cut stone...I am all for dismantling them, cataloguing each stone, laser imaging, treat it with scientific precision so there is a permanent record of what was there...then use the materials to build new buildings people will actually benefit from.
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Ah, yes—clearly, this is just a humanitarian concern on "Mensch Kaymelon's" part that the Egyptians don't have enough access to building materials!

Nothing to do with a desire to see the pyramids destroyed, of course...sarc/off

PJG wrote:

OT: (south of Egypt...the Arab Spring is inspiring others towards "freedom and democracy")...
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My God, *more stonings*. Bloody barbarians.

Thanks for posting that horror, PJG.

and @Defenderofislam:

Actually, given the number of victims piled up by the Communists in the 20th century alone, I think Marxism-Leninism may have beaten out Islam as a destructive and degenerative force on some kind of per capita over time index.

Also, DoI, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, destroyed by Al Hakim, was rebuilt by the Crusaders. It's one reason why it has a kind of Romanesque architectural flavor in a region where churches traditionally had a more Byzantine one.

And, I can't help but notice, that closer to our own times, Muslim jihadis desecrated the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem. It even seems they were out to take it over by having their slain comrades buried in its precincts--something at which the normally pro-Palestine Arab monks refused to allow, since they knew too well from history what such a gesture would ultimately entail.

LemonLime, as I read your post one thing struck me, like a baseball bat: The Napoleon you quoted from the French site used the same mantras and vocabulary as every muslim supremacist I've the misfortune to cross paths with.

"They therefore elevated Jesus to the rank of God, as a part of God Himself. They thus gave to God partners."

How many times have muslim supremacists ignorantly yet boldy declared that "Christianity was changed!" and "God does not have a wife/partners"?

"And this man said the same thing as did Moses, Jesus and all the other prophets:..."

How could Napoleon make the same mistake that muslim supremacists make in declaring all characters major and minor in the Jewish and Christian texts are "prophets?"

"The more that people read and educated themselves, the more they will familiarize themselves with logic and reason."

That one struck me, screamed at me, and whacked me upside the head. "Educate yourself" is the mantra muslim supremacists most used when confronted with knowledgeable critics.

The two phrases you bolded are screamingly typical muslim supremacist mantras.

So, to humour myself I did a search for the title of the book cited along with its citations. Only 4 websites were pulled up: the one you linked to and three others. I was not at all surprised that the other three were muslim supremacist cites.

I did a scholarly search for just the title. Nothing showed up. I searched just the author's name:Christian Chefils. The only things that match up are the author's name and the publishing date.

I then did a scholarly search for the text, in French, in which Napoleon allegedly declared the shahada. Zip.EXCEPT for citations that link directly to muslim supremacist cites that cited Monsieur Chefil's name. And one google books link in German.

A regular google search of the French text simply pointed me back to the original three muslim supremacist sites and a boatload of others all declaring "inshallah Napoleon too was a muslim!"

I then plugged in the shahada paragraph in English in normal search and, not at all surprisingly, the first three pages were nothing but muslim supremacist sites. A bit of poking around (yes, I have a stomach of steel. Mr. Spencer's posting of that repulsive Ahmed Rehab's photo have made me immune to nauseating scenes) led me to what I believe to be the source of this patently false quote attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte: Harun Yahya.

Yes, that Harun Yahya. Adnan Oktar. The mental midget who fancies himself a scientist while touting, like a nazi on steroids, his islamic creationist fairy tales. The same Adnan Oktar who is a holocaust denier and calls teachers of evolutionary theory "Maoists."

The same Adnan Oktar who sees "zionists" hiding behind every tree, rock, and wall and believes he can prove all of those "zionists" are out to get the world by using their own "changed, altered, and twisted" "bible."

Dude, you were punked. :)

You of all people should know to always check, recheck, and cross reference ANY and ALL claims of high profile and historical persons making such blatently pro-muslim supremacist statements.

Remember, these are the people who STILL claim Jacques Cousteau was a muslim DESPITE his family and estate leveling lawsuits at any and all who make that false claim.

A brilliant piece of sleuthing! Well done!

Thanks for your research Istanbul_Chick.

I did a little further digging.

I now realize that the reference citation, though at first glance it looks authentic, has some flaws.

Réf. succinctes: - Correspondance de Napoléon 1er: tome V, p518
Correspondance de Napoléon 1er: pièce N°3148
Journal inédit de Sainte Hélène, de 1815 à 1818 (Gal Baron Gourgaud)

First of all, on closer inspection, that's not one source -- it seems to be citing two separate publications:

1) Correspondance de Napoléon 1er: tome V, p518
Correspondance de Napoléon 1er: pièce N°3148

and

2) Journal inédit de Sainte Hélène, de 1815 à 1818 (Gal Baron Gourgaud)

The first one is supplied with a "tome" number and a page number; the second one has no page number. Needless to say, that's useless. While the second one is a real puhlication --

Journal inédit de Sainte Hélène, de 1815 à 1818 (Gal Baron Gourgaud)

-- published apparently in 1899, long after his death in 1852 (here it is on Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.fr/SAINTE-HELENE-JOURNAL-INEDIT-1815-volumes/dp/2354980353 ), without a page number one would probably have a difficult time finding the quote, if it's there (and currently it's not even available for sale).

I could not find that publication free online; but I did find apparently a set of the correspondence of Napoleon -- even separated out in "tomes". And I found tome V!

http://archive.org/stream/correspondancede05naporich#page/518/mode/2up

So I went to page 518 -- but guess what, nothing matching the quote.

There is, incidentally, on that page an interesting letter Napoleon wrote on July 17, 1799, addressed "Aux Ulémas, Nobles, Cheiks, Imams et Fellahs" of some province in Egypt, in which he opens with no doubt just an obligatory diplomatic politesse:

Il n'y a pas d'autre dieu que Dieu, et Mahomet est son prophète!

"There is no other god than God, and Mohammed is His Prophet!"

(I doubt this means Napoleon had become a Muslim; he was probably just "oiling the gears" to get something out of the Muslim clerics who of course controlled everything, or to mollify their mercurially Islamic tempers.)

I checked pages 516-17 and 520-521, just in case: nothing there matching the quote. I then did a word search -- first testing the search by searching for a word I actually saw there. Once that worked, I searched for two different unusual words in the quote -- "partenaires" and "prédominera" (though one wouldn't be surprised if the latter word tripped off Napoleon's tongue all the time). Nothing came up.

I then tried the other specification in the first reference of Napoleon's correspondence: pièce N°3148. I saw that each letter was indeed numbered, but "tome V" only began in the 3000s way after 3148; and, unfortunately, the online series is missing volume 4 (and volume 6).

Another possibility which may save this citation is that there may be different editions of Napoleon's correspondence, with some variation in placement of "tome" and "pièce" numbers.

However, the already proven sloppiness of the reference citation makes me dubious that it's authentic. So you may be right, I_C.

Well, if it slides far enough, whatever is under it will be exposed...I read once there is an alien craft buried there...

I am sort of wondering whether this truly matters. This is not a competitive game of quantities or reaching quotas. This is about inhumanity, point final. Dr. Shimon Samuels, director for International Liaison of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre considers such a numbers debate to dishonour the memory of the respective victims of each and every genocide, with which I actually concur. It doesn't matter whether this is specifically about Armenians, Rwandans, Jews, Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, Cambodians et al. and how much each of these peoples have been the victim of genocide. Genocide equals the murder of one individual many times over. But that's not bad enough, I suppose ?

If there is a common factor then it would be that the impetus for genocide is always rooted in ideology to start with.

LemonLime, I've run across the "Napoleon was a Muslim" canard myself. This, (supposedly, I've never found the original book) from "Bonaparte Et L'Islam", by Christian Cherfils, published in 1914:

"I hope that the time is not far off, when I will be able to unite all the wise and educated men from all countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of the Qur'an, which alone are true and alone can lead men to happiness..." (Correspondence de Napoleon Ist, N3148 (Uti sup.).

He also supposedly said, quoted in that same obscure tome:

"Moses has revealed the existence of God to his nation. Jesus Christ to the Roman world, Muhammad to the old continent...Arabia was idolatrous when, six centuries after Jesus, Muhammad introduced the worship of the God of Abraham, of Ishmael, of Moses, and Jesus. The Ariyans and some other sects had disturbed the tranquility of the east by agitating the question of the nature of the Father, the son, and the Holy Ghost. Muhammad declared that there was none but one God who had no father, no son and that the trinity imported the idea of idolatry..."

Sounds like your typical Muslim bs to me.

This is usually followed by other absurdities, such as the claim that the Battle of Waterloo was the result of Napoleon's abolishing interest, and that Wellington was an agent of the Rothschilds.

And that is usually followed by the claim that the "Code Napoleon" is based on Shari'ah.

My guess is that Christian Cherfils was a French Muslim convert, and decided that claiming Bonaparte for the Musselman would be pretty persuasive...

Cherfil's book was published in 1914. You can find it here:

http://books.google.com/books/about/Bonaparte_et_L_Islam.html?id=2k4APgAACAAJ

And here's the English translation:

http://books.google.com/books/about/Napolean_and_Islam.html?id=UgFoAAAAMAAJ

I've never found a bookseller who actually carries it, though, either brick-and-mortar or on-line.

This is the closest I found—a British Islamic on-line bookstore that is sold out of the French-language edition:

http://www.iqrashop.com/product_info.php?products_id=3850&language=en¤cy=GBP

I think this just goes to show how pernicious this sort of Muslim supremacism is, and how its omnipresence can waylay even the most careful of us at times.

I am back! I took the Turkish airline there and back. a shithole floating in the skya to say the least!!!
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LimonLime, you, too, it seems, are a Mutabilitizite Brother [your reflexive spastic elbow twitch to post something before your critical faculties kick-in are a sure giveaway] -- we embrace you!

Welcome back!

So you weren't impressed with '70's decor and the angry, snarky, bleached blonde stewardesses?

Give them some slack (the stewardesses), they make only 700 YTL a month for walking up and down all day while slinging drinks and peanuts.

They're pissed because they get paid peanuts and haven't snagged a pilot yet. At least, that's what a friend of mine, who is a pilot for THY, claims most of the women who are stewardesses with THY, become stewardesses for.

But, in their defense, I think most stewardesses with all of the airlines I've flown with are snarky, uppity ice queens, with the exception of British Airways. The ladies of BA have always been friendly, and even gregarious with me.

Did you fly THY all the way from the States, or just from Istanbul to Iran?

I've never flown with them trans-Atlantic. Just domestically, and on their European routes and every single plane looked, felt and smelled like it had been in service, and not cleaned since the late 70's.

Hi John!

Hope all is well...

DMD

John,

Well, I did preface my post with:

I just came across a fascinating piece of data; not sure if it's verified, however.

Then I in addition to the link to the site, I reproduced the citation source, which certainly is adverting to actual historical publications, with in one case volume (tome) # and Page #. Unlike other such rumors (like the Columbus was a Muslim rumor, this one provided seemingly credible and actually extant, albeit not rigorously presented, sources.)

I expect that since JW is populated mostly by free, independent and relatively intelligent adults, they can and will

1) suspend judgement until further verification

2) do some digging themselves (as Istanbul_Chick did) to ascertain verification if they think it's that important to know (and in this case, I'd say it is).

"I think most stewardesses with all of the airlines I've flown with are snarky, uppity ice queens"

Including the male "flight attendants"...

I've been fortunate with the male stewards in that they've all been pleasant with me especially the ones with Lufthansa.

I know I shouldn't call them stewards/stewardesses but really, they're glorfied waiters/waitresses. Who hasn't had first aid training in this day and age?

I wouldn't be so snarky myself if they were more genial. They're in customer service and I understand that they have to deal with nasty customers, but there's no need to play that attitude forward with customers who aren't nasty.

You make my day, Dowsie.