The European Muslim and Islamic catastrophe: Will those responsible be prosecuted?

The immigration of non-Westerners, especially of Muslims, has proven to be an economic, social and safety catastrophe. The costs for social benefits and services to Muslim immigrants and their descendants is an unbearable millstone around the European economy's neck. Thousands of cities in Western Europe are cut in pieces by the Muslim parallel societies that are segregating when it comes to language, culture, laws and so some extent also economy. The growing amount of terror, violence and crime coming from this specific population are changing the very basis of our civilized societies: feeling and being safe.

As the resistance against Muslim immigration increases among the general public, politicians and undemocratic supranational institutions such as EU and UN constantly work to keep our national borders and social offices open. How can our rulers continue to be so stupid and proud to think that they can create success where everybody failed -- not just in the recent decades, but ever since the birth of Islam 1,400 years ago?

Immigration

Are our politicians stupider than the police allow, and should therefore be prosecuted? What if they already knew and know now that allowing Muslim immigration and the spread Islam is harmful for our national states?

The mass immigration of people from a hostile culture has changed and will change our societies and culture dramatically forever -- and not for the better. Should it be punishable for politicians to continue doing and allowing what obviously and objectively harms our countries? Well, the former Icelandic president Geir Haarde stood trial because of "gross negligence for failing to put financial safeguards in place".

Islam

The Quran and the hadiths, with their many verses telling Muslims to hate, harm and kill non-Muslims, and Islam's substitution of Sharia for democracy and human rights, are against our constitution. Organisations preaching these texts -- and the allowing of such organisations to exist -- is therefore already illegal in most countries. Yes, illegal. Will the bureaucrats, politicians and leaders within the police who gave these organisations permission to operate and who did not act against their obvious criminal activities be confronted with this in court one day?

Well, we will see. Surely several attempts will be made to hold them responsible for the Muslim and Islamic catastrophe that they created by looking away and not living up to their true responsibility.

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Sorry to be OT, but the section about the Quran and hate brings up a question I have about Spencer's recent book and the compilation of the Quran. Could anyone suggest the most appropriate place to submit it?

Just one of the many terrible results of unchecked Muslim immigration into Europe is the heinous actions of "honor killings." Which in reality has nothing to do with honor because it's the ruthless,cruel, and viscious cold blooded murder of young girls. Furthermore, Brigitte Gabriel,the founder of actforamerica.com, wrote in her book THEY MUST BE STOPPED "Honor killing have also come to the West thanks to the rise of Islamic immigration."

First they commit no criminal act. When Paris declare itself than open city in May or June of 1940 to avoid the city being destory by Germany. The Mayor was surrond the city never show up so the Chief of Police did the job.

The women of europe arenot haveing enought babies to maintrain they population, fewer babies mean less worker to support the social saftery net. European are suideing they self like the japonese are by not haveing than enought babies.

At our mosue noboby show up at the government force sponcor abuse thing the state want to break up famility.

I think it's clear that a good many of our politicians, bureaucrats, and judged have been bought off by Persian Gulf petro-dollars. Many of our politicians come remarkably cheap, and the oil sheiks gave endless billions to work with.
Likewise our universities have been turned into centers of Moslem propaganda and subversion by means of multi-million dollar grants establishing "Middle-East Studies" departments.

In the end it is going to come down to 2 choices.
Either repatriate these people to their home countries or accept dhimmi status in the new muslim societies that will be created.
It is questionable whether Europe with it's long time socialist leanings will have the fortitude to sufficiently push back.
In North America we still have a chance but we need to act soon.
America must vote their muslim loving President out of office.
In Canada although we have a Prime Minister who says all the right things and I am sure he believes them, we still have a strong leftwing bias in the Canadian civil service which is very conducive to muslims getting their own way.
Prime Minister Harper needs to change that and soon in order to protect Canada from the coming troubles that will be taking place as the muslim invasion grows stronger in the west.
God help us all. We are going to need it.

I'm sorry, Nicolai,but why lump all "non-Western" immigrants with the worst of the Islamic world? My wife is from Taiwan, and so is my daughter-in-law. Last time I looked, it was as far east as you can get from Western Europe--except, perhaps, for Japan and Kamchatka. And I assure you, as one who reads both ancient Greek and ancient Hebrew, their language is neither Indo-European nor Semitic. I live in a neighborhood with a lot of non-Western immigrants, and my younger son went to a High School where about 40% of the kids were of Far Eastern heritage, either new immigrants or second generation Americans (mostly of Chinese or Korean heritage; a few Viet). And, there's a nice couple down the street from Russia--she's Jewish, he's Tatar; minorities in the Old Country, double minorities here.

Maybe it helps that I know enough Chinese to translate documents for extra money and teach a High School beginning course; and can carry a conversation in Bangkok Thai. But, then again, a lot of the kids giggle when I pronounce their last names correctly, and they accept the mangled versions imposed by their teachers and other neighbors. My sense is that most of these people want to fit in in the USA.

Here in the States, we hear a lot of complaints about how the Latins "aren't assimilating", but they're third generation speaks English without problems, and the parents, if offered free and convenient English lessons would jump at it (they don't learn English because they work 2-3 low-paying jobs; not because they don't want to learn).

And, I wish I had a green American dollar for every Evangelical Church with a signboard in Korean, Chinese, Viet, or [Arabic Script] that I pass when I drive around my town. Keep in mind that these are paid for by the people worshiping in them, not some Christian equivalent of Saudi megabucks.

And, while some of my immigrant students think George Washington was a fool for retiring to his farm after two terms as president (and they're surprised to learn that he died in bed of pneumonia after riding around his farm on a cold day rather than being shot), some others nod their heads and wish the presidents of their old countries had done the same. Maybe that latter group will be good, functioning citizens in a few years.

I'm all for enforcing immigration laws, and I'm all for an unapologetic surveillance of communities that celebrate the host country's trouble. While I'm at it, as a former consular officer, I accept the adage "What part of 'illegal' don't you understand?" even. But I'm not going to bash immigrants and immigration per se. You can probably make a better American out of the average immigrant, regardless of his continent of origin, than you can out of half the graduating classes of the Harvard and Yale Law Schools.

C'mon, Western people! Have a little faith in your own culture's assimilative power and the God who upheld your ancestors!

OK, Uncle Kepha's rankled feelings have been vented. Now to get serious.

Perhaps one reason why Western governments took a chance on Islamic immigration was that a couple of generations of Far Eastern and non-Muslim South Asian professionals, scientists, and business people left the feeling that if we could assimilate those folks, we could assimilate anyone.

The problem is that when a wealthy Jewish conscience is pricked, a University building goes up; when a wealthy Christian conscience is pricked, an orphanage and a private school go up; but when a wealthy Muslim conscience is pricked, smoke, bomb fragments, and body parts go up.

And, even when it comes to Muslim immigration, let's not forget that there are plenty of people who came to America as Muslims but who did not remain so.

Why do Europeans and UK counterjihadists like Nicolai Sennels shoot themselves in the foot by lumping in immigrants in general with Muslim immigrants? That is exactly the mistake that Islamic dawagandists want counterjihadists to make. By doing so, Sennels fudges the distinction between anti-Islam, pro-human rights movements on the one hand and xenophobic, racist, nationalist/fascist movements on the other. It is time that European and UK counterjihadists saw that non-Muslims of all nations must unite if they are to have a chance of successfully resisting global Islam. The problem is not immigrants. The problem is not different cultures or races mingling. Many cultures and races have participated in the Western experiment successfully without any threat to its liberties or basic human rights. The problem is the uniquely totalitarian culture of Islam (pointed out by Bernard Lewis), which unlike other immigrant cultures gradually destroys free speech and kills freedom of conscience even among the non-Muslims among whom Muslim immigrants colonize.

I agree 100% with Kepha's 12:10 comment on this issue.

That is because Mr. Sinnels know that if he says "Muslim immigrants" instead of just "immigrants" the full force of the juristically system will hit him hard and fast, you see in today's Europe you need to be able to read between the lines just like in the old USSR. Thought crime is not just a academic dystopian 1948 thing anymore its alive and kicking (hard) in Europe today.

Will those responsible be prosecuted?

Good question.

There are some people in Germany who are documenting the crimes of those who actively aid and abet the enemy, a lot of data has already been collected and they named it Nuremberg II, (most of you would remember the Nazi trials after WWII) which is where this comes from.

Politicians, the judiciary and officials are put on notice, which in some cases shows remarkable results.

Something to contemplate......

Treason and sedition are still crimes in most countries, and in spite of their efforts to indemnify themselves it will not help them once the political wind shifts in an ugly direction....

It's the Muslims and NOBODY else.

A Man,
I don't buy it. I think Sennels is saying what he meant to say. If he isn't, let him give us a forewarning that in order to avoid prosecution, there are certain things he is not saying.

In any event, the difference between what he said, and what I'm suggesting he should have said, is too small, I think, to make any difference as to the risk of prosecution.

An analogy can be made between immigration and poisoning. The lethality of a poison depends on two things: the amount of the dose, and the type of poison.
Alcohol is a poison, but taken in small amounts is not particularly dangerous. A couple of beers after a hard day's work, or a couple of glasses of wine with a meal will generally cause no harm. But downing a fifth of whiskey every day will. Down it quickly enough, and you die.
It's the same with immigration: a low level can be pleasant and even invigorating to the host society. But a high level can be very dangerous. In the U.S. we've had a high level for decades, and it has proven very harmful. Ethnic enclaves have been created and turned into no-go zones to outsiders, ethnic criminal gangs fill our prisons, Moslem terrorists shoot down soldiers on an army base and run down people on sidewalks with SUV's, our educational system is wrecked with special demands, etc.
Then there's the type of poison: it takes a lot of alcohol to kill you, but very little cyanide.
So it is with immigration. Some immigrant groups have a very low level of toxicity; notably Europeans and East Asians. Indeed, East Asians are usually lumped with whites when it comes to hand-outs from the racial/ethnic spoils system -- i.e. they don't get any. But other immigrants have higher levels of toxicity. Moslems are probably the most dangerous.
A sane immigration policy would start by drastically reducing the overall level of immigration -- to 1/10th or less the current level. And it would discriminate between types of immigrants, with very low levels for the least desirable -- ideally zero for Moslems.
At one time the U.S. had an immigration policy similar to the one I suggest. But then Chappaquiddick Teddy pushed a "reform" through Congress, and the result is the disaster we see today.

Look at the team of Sweden next time you watch a soccer game. Ibrahimovic does not sing the National Anthem, along with other players of Muslim descent. The Swedes are the only ones singing.

I also remember the World Cup in 2006. Marco Maderazzi (Italian team) said something to Zenadine Zidane (French team)about his sister. Zidane, from Algerian descent went and hit him with his head, was sent out with a red card and France did not win the championship.
As assimilated as he was, he was a Muslim first, and a French football player next. I am sure that thousands of European players and players worldwide insult each other during games, with debasing words, racist slurs and so on. The players usually complain after the game.

Racism is one of the plagues of Europe.

Racial slurs can be very painful. 24 years ago Liverpool fans were throwing bananas at a Black player, at their own player while shouting racist slurs

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4046821/Twenty-four-years-after-racist-football-fans-threw-bananas-at-John-Barnes-how-much-has-the-UK-changed.html

Things haven't changed much since. If racism is eradicated from Europe, Black men in Europe will convert to Islam with less enthusiasm.

"Racism is one of the plagues of Europe."

No such thing. Islam is not a race.

Europe is not Africa and Europe is not America.

I don't know where you are posting from, but the last time I checked black on white racism was far worse than the other way 'round.

Islam, Islam is the problem.

Don't carry water for the race hucksters!

"Islam is not a race"

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I was talking about racism against Black people specifically. If a nation has flourishing racism, the Blacks will convert to Islam en masse to gain some self esteem.
This is what I meant, and the only thing I meant.

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