Ahmadi Muslim claims that anti-Sikh violence is actually anti-Muslim violence -- yet his list contains Muslim violence against Sikhs

Another useful idiot. Check out how they treat your fellow Ahmadis!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/02/indonesia-lynching.html

What else would be expected from liars!! As I said earlier, Muslims will exploit the terrible tragedy at Sikh Temple to their advantage. This guy doesn't mention that three of the revered Sikh gurus were beheaded bu Muslim Moghul kings of India. Muslims have killed and murdered more than 80 million Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc in India starting from the eighth century. Zafar should talk about hate crimes against Muslims. Travesty is Muslims don't even consider the Ahmadis as Muslims. What a moron!!

"Hate"
Always it is the accusation of "hate" we hear from Muslims, their followers and their subjects. Hate-hate-hate-hate.

It makes one wonder why. I suppose it is much like the origins of "islamophobia", in the multitude of phobias of which the Quran and Islam are made: the distinction between Believer and Unbeliever, between clean and unclean, between halal and haram, man and woman. Paranoia, self pity, victimhood. The minutiae dominating and guiding the daily life of the true Believer in everything, even the most minor details.

Naturally Islam would tend to accuse the "Others" of possessing some phobia themselves, it is taken for granted.
And thinking of "hate" is therefore a logical step when the Infidel disagrees with and criticizes islam. Or he is paying to much attention to the Quranic descriptions of him and his fate, or how Muhammad conquered Arabia.

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Youssef

Back when I was a young lad in the 1970's, I knew some kids from Pakistan. It was from them that I heard my first "dumb Sujinder" jokes ("Polack" jokes or any other) given beards, turbans, and bangles. Only later in life did I learn that there wasn't good-natured ribbing involved, but a real deep-seated hatred felt towards Sikhs--matched only by hatred towards the JOOOOOOZ.

Granted, given that it turned out to be a racist who shot up the Sikh temple in Wisconsin, there probably are people who have a prejudice against South Asians per se. Maybe Harris Zafar is expressing solidarity with the Sikh victims because the perpetrator turned out to be another Kufr; or, perhaps, it's because his Ahmadi Sect is being "Takfired" in the land of its birth.

Unbelievably stupid! The difference in the way that the Sikh community is handling this tragedy, with grace and dignity and righteousness, and the way that Muslims are handling it speaks to the degrading influence of the Islamic tradition. Instead of reaching out to comfort the Sikhs, all the Muslims can do is grab this event as strategic material for their agenda. Pathetic and rude.

The Sikh swords or daggers came about to protect them from the attacks by muslims that slaughtered 1000's as muslimss did to millions of Hindu's.

This is why I'm so sold to jump in and defend EVERY faith as Equal for peace and love. I pre-judge the person as an adult and peaceful, THEN...I let them show me how ignorant and violent they really are by their actions and hate-filled words.

BTW

In canada out in BC a young Sikh male didn't want to keep is long hair that appeased his Parents, so he cut it off and made a bogus hate-crime report to the Police that a ganag of WHITE guys beat him up and cut his hair off while yelling slurs.

Before you exalt every Sikh as pure and holy, keep in mind that 2 Sikh immigrants in canada slaughtered 240 canadians via suitcase bombs on a 747 flight from canada where a total of 329 civilians died that day.
The denail by Sikh's was just as bad as the denails from CAIr and most muslims that claim their
Sikhism/islam = peace .

Pretend I'm from the "Show Me" State and prove islam/Sikhsin = peace.

What happened at the Wisconsin Sikh Gurudwara was horrible. My condolences to the family and friends of those killed.

In the context of the mission of anti-Islamists, I want to point out a couple of things that I know of, since I grew up as a Sikh. Most of us are in the impression that since Sikhs have had fights with Muslims in the past, they may be natural enemies to Islam. But that is not the case as I will explain. The bottomline of what I am going to tell you is that we need to extremely cautious while joining hands with them.

The Sikhs of today are not the same kind of people as they were some 150 years ago. That is when the divide-and-rule politicians began to hijack the Sikh movement, and they have had tremendous success (for themselves). They did their hate campaigns against Hindus and later against India. Not every Sikh fell for their hate rhetoric but most have been affected by it. All the troubles that happened between Sikhs and India, the root cause of them all are none other than Sikh leaders. (Pakistan too can be blamed, but ISI would not have succeeded without active support from Sikh leaders.)

Many Sikhs, while on the run from Indian govt, went to UK, Canada, and the US. These diaspora Sikhs are even more screwed up than the Indian ones. And since they have more resources available to do their propaganda, they are able to somewhat influence the Indian Sikhs too. In this post, I will primarily be talking about diaspora Sikhs.

Diaspora Sikhs have had a strong feeling of being a minority in whatever country they are in, and have always felt more of a 'connection' with other minorities. Muslims have always been aware of this and needless to say, have convinced Sikhs to be on their (Muslim) side. The fact that almost all Sikhs are Punjabis, and that there is a big presence of Punjabi Muslims in UK and Canada has made it much easier for them to decieve Sikhs. But why would a Sikh agree to become 'friends' with Muslims, given all the trouble that they have had with them in the past? I think it is imprtant that JW'ers know this.

The Sikh Gurus who were persecuted by Muslims, never knew the true teachings of Islam. The most prevalent Islamic manifestation in North India during that time was Sufism. The orthodox Muslims had their influence mostly in royal circles. The Gurus were always in the [wrong] impression that it were the Mughal rulers who were tyrants. They thought the atrocities against them was 'religious intolerance'. Hence, they always exhorted Muslims to become good people by following real Islam. They never knew that religious intolerance was part of Islam's true teachings itself. For this reason, every time the Sikhs defeated Muslims, they never decimated the Muslim population, and instead gave them full freedom of religion. Even the horrors committed by Muslims during partition did not wake them up.

Combine this with the fact that one of the religious requirements on Sikhs is to protect the weak and suffering. And guess who has done an excellent job of portraying themselves as victims? Everyone here knows the answer.

The rampant 'Islamophobia', and anti-Islamic laws like the burqa-ban law of France, reinforces the image of Muslims as victims. This has also made Sikhs concerned about laws against their own articles of faith like the turban or bracelet. As a result of all this, they have joined the leftist forces.

If you visit Sikh blogs/sites today, you will very occasionly come across a Sikh who, thanks to the work of ex-Muslims have realized what true Islam is. But most Sikhs still fiercely protect Muslims, and hate anti-Islamists as much as Muslims do.

These are [only] some of the reasons why anti-Islamists need to be wary of Sikhs. Do not think that they will automatically be on your side. The bias should strongly be the opposite.

The list of attacks with muslims as intended victims will be enormously lengthened when Harris Zafar adds every incident since 9/11 of an attack on any man with a beard /sarc.

“In the Mid 90s Sikhs citing unfair treatment and persecution by the Indian Government were rallying for Independence, in response the Indian State controlled by Corrupt Elites orchestrated a pogram. Hundreds of thousands of Sikhs were tortured, raped, murdered, which is on record and has even been taken to the United Nations in a plea for help and justice”

This is all BS. Let me already state that you are either in UK, Canada, or US. You cannot be someone who grew up in India. Your post shows the extent of brainwashing done on you diaspora Sikhs.

The trouble in Punjab happened in the 80’s and early 90’s. There were no ‘pogroms’ there! I was there…. in Chandigarh…. and I am a Sikh. I was there all of 80’s and all of 90’s (although I admit I was a teenager with barely any knowledge of politics). The police was going after men who were actively fighting the Indian Govt. What do you expect the govt. to do?? Put flower-garlands around your necks? Those men were brainwashed by their own leaders, so you should be hating the Sikh leaders, not the Indian Govt. (despite all its flaws).

Have you ever thought about WHY the Sikhs wanted Independence? If you do some serious research, do some studying, and look between the lines of every report that you come across, you will realize that the real culprit have been none other than Sikh leaders, ever since late 19th century. They wanted ‘independence’ for their own power, at the expense of ordinary Sikhs.

“citing unfair treatment and persecution”

What unfair treatment and persecution?? What is it that Sikhs couldn’t do in India, that other people could? Sikhs were only 2% of the population of India, and still made up over 30% of the armed forces. If the Indian govt were really persecuting Sikhs, would they hire so many Sikhs in the armed forces?? Only people who don’t use their brain at all would fall for this, and unfortunately the diaspora Sikhs are full of such zombies.

The above was a reply to Ricky.S

Sikhs are a pain in the ass in canada with their whining about their daggers and their turbans this that blah blah they dont assimilate with other canadians they only care about their culture khalistan matters to them only they support terrorists in canada to this day they don't contribute to canadian culture go ahead flame me i don't give a crap they are just another third world special interest group most vocal in bc and ontario that politicians grovel to for votes, they are pretty much useless in the big picture for ordinary canadians they also practice honour killings, although not as much as muslims but they still do, they are not of any value to canada they need to pack up and leave.

And if I may add, if they might want to improve their public image, besides refraining from terrorism and fighting amongst themselves outside their temples they might want to clean up outside their so called places of worship, two places outside near where I live, one on Lansdowne Avenue north of Wallace Avenue and one on Old Weston Road just south of St. Clair W. both are quite grimy looking, with dozens of ragged flags and years old plastic flowers out front, garbage strewn, peeling paint and a very run down neglected appearance not a look that is desirable to the neighbourhood.

Sorry I forgot to mention I was talking about Toronto Ontariom. sikhs have been here for generations and still they look and behave as if they just got off the air plane i just cannot consider them as canadians they dont look or act it that is just how i see and feel. All that matters to them is their sikhism not their canadianism. You cannot argue with me that this is not true.

something to bear in mind.

What is the very last thing that Muslims want to happen?

They *don't* want the different groups of Infidels that they have been busy picking off separately, all around the world, to team up.

The last thing they want is a Resistance to Islam that involves nonreligious infidels joining with religious Infidels, Jews cooperating with Christians and vice versa, Christians of different backgrounds (Catholic, Evangelical, Protestant, Orthodox) encouraging and helping each other, Eastern Europeans making common cause with the Western Europeans, or Western non-Muslims forming alliances with African and Asian (especially Indian) non-Muslims.

Divisions and quarrels and resentments in the Camp of the Infidels suits the Ummah, or Mohammedan Mob, just fine. And 'split the camp' has paid off handsomely for them; they profited greatly from, for example, Cold War rivalry between Russia and the USA, and before that, the Ottoman Empire did very nicely out of playing off the countries of former western Christendom against the countries influenced by Orthodoxy.

So at forums like this, one should expect - *especially* when there is a focus on a particular group of Infidels - an attempt to perpetuate or revive divisions and bring up the sins, follies and failures of this or that group, over against some or all of the others.

I am not saying that that is happening here.

But it *can* happen, and undoubtedly *will* happen. Muslims are past masters at 'split the camp', at exploiting pre-existing divisions, misunderstandings, quarrels and resentments within the Camp of the Infidels, and are doubtless also doing the best to foment new ones.

I've lived in the Indian Subcontinent long enough, I believe, to make some comments. The madness of Partition started when the Muslim leader Mohammad Ali Jinnah gave a call for all-out terror against the kaffirs. Direct Action Day he called it. It started off in Bengal, mostly what is today Bangladesh. Punjab, where most of the Sikhs live, was governed by the Unionist Party, which was a party of big landholders of all religions, did not even notice the call. Then trouble erupted in Rawalpindi and surrounding villages. It turned out that planning had been going on for weeks in a local mosque, involving some local imams, the local police inspector and some others. The largely Sikh kaffirs were attacked in the usual Muslim manner (kill, loot, rape, burn, convert et al). Villages of Sikhs hitherto untouched got jittery and fortified themselves. Muslim policemen swore on the Koran that they would protect them but they ought to give their weapons to the police first. These disarmed people were then given the full treatment. The British administration put a cloak of censorship on this news but it leaked out in a thin booklet in English, "Rape of Rawalpindi" with gory black-and-white photographs. This booklet got around and even those who could not read could understand the pictures. That is when all hell broke loose in all of Punjab. Someone has correctly suggested that most Sikhs are simple folks and easily duped, especially by their own leaders. Their leaders have no qualms mixing religion and politics like their Muslim counterparts even if people get hurt. Even the periodic tantrums in the West over perceived victimhood (long hair, turbans) is the doing of these leaders who copycat the Muslim clergy in this respect. BTW the Khalistani movement has more adherents in Canada than in India.

I keep mistaking Muslims for Nazis.

Here is another outrageous act of violence perpetrated by sikhs that almost slipped my mind that unbelievably lead to actually ALLOWING them to have their kirpans in COURT of all places AFTER a double stabbing:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/article/1179515--kirpan-sikh-ceremonial-dagger-now-allowed-in-toronto-courthouses

These people are just not worth the damn trouble in Canada time and time again as they have shown them selves to be.

Re Hedgehogg's account of what happened in Rawalpindi - Sikhs tricked into giving up their arms, and then massacred by the Muslims.

I recall reading a story about a group of Armenian Christians during the genocide in Muslim Turkey, who were tricked and trapped - and despatched - by their local Muslims in a *very* similar way. Eerily similar.

I think LemonLime - sweepingly condemning the Sikhs, and other groups, for not being ideologically pure enough, for not comprehending and resisting Islam to the extent which he deems they really *ought* to have done and/ or be doing, as if it was just a matter of people having to pull up their socks and show a little gumption - fails to account adequately for a/ the mind-boggling depth and breadth of the self-deceptions to which mortal, frail human beings are prone, and b/ the extent to which the dhimmitude system - or prolonged contact with Muslim master-abusers, even if the dhimma is not fully in force, as it was not, under the British Raj - can cloud and warp the minds of those it targets.

Any psychologist who has worked with children or adults who have been subjected to severe domestic/ familial abuse, or with girls rescued from pimps, knows better.

It has taken two full generations, I think, for some of the Jews who came out of dhimmi situations in Yemen, Iraq, North Africa, and found refuge in Israel, to fully shuck off the mental shackles. Some are beginning to speak out plainly, in articles, about the oppression, bullying and violence to which their families, living in dar al Islam, were routinely subjected; rather than pretending that everything was nice. Bat Yeor, a first-generation escapee from dhimmitude, pioneered the process in her exploration of the world from which her family had come; she states that in her researches she descended "into the abyss of oppression", and in an email exchange with me, once, she said that while she was doing her research, it gave her nightmares. I am not surprised; for what she was doing was a task that can be likened to exorcism.

Very good point David, though I can agree to in-parts with j-and_a that Sikhs need to get in line with many cultural issues in the West. I do think Sikhs will be on our side when push comes to shove and not on the side of the Muslims. I know for sure they do not trust the Muslims.

I read about the air disaster by a bunch of Sikhs. Perhaps j_and_a didn't pick up they were divided over the outcome - I don't believe more than 2% sikhs supported the Khalistan movement - though I know no facts to back my assertion. Nevertheless, I believe Sikhs are on our side - perhaps some are filthy the way they live.

With a large sign at the temple entrance with the words:Sikh Temple of Wisconsin,it's a bit of a stretch to say this mistook this building for a mosque.

With a large sign at the temple entrance with the words:Sikh Temple of Wisconsin,it's a bit of a stretch to say this mistook this building for a mosque.

How could this guy be looking to kill Muslims when there is a large sign at the entrance to the temple with the words:Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in large letters.

The Pakistani military who created the Taliban knew full well that the Sikh armies of Maharaja Ranjit Singh were the only foreign military force to have successfully conquered Kabul. That's why they created the Taliban in the image of the Sikhs, deliberately having them wear turbans and keeping long beards. That's no coincidence.

In ancient Sanskrit and its descendant languages like Punjabi, the word "Sikh" means "student". Likewise, the word "Talib" also means "student" in Arabic. It's no coincidence that the Pakistani military chose this name for their guerrilla proxy movement.