Ahmadinejad: "With the grace of God and help of the nations, in the new Middle East there will be no trace of the Americans and Zionists"

Madratrag will find that getting rid of the truth is as hard as shrowing s**t at the moon and hitting it. :-/

Sorry, I've heard this all before. Over twenty years ago was supposed to be year zero for the middle east, and Saddam Hussein and his million strong, mighty Arab Muslim army of over a million men were going to wipe out the infidel invaders once and for all in the mother of all battles (with attendant rhetoric). I had to sit and watch the news and be told how the Iraqi army were even more formidable than the Nazi SS at their peak. And what happened? They ran away and gave up crying like old ladies and little girls as soon as the fighting started (with apologies to old ladies and little girls everywhere). Fast forward to ten-odd years ago, ditto the above.

I expect the same from those losers in Iran should it come to it.

The press did it again....
Please stop translating the Arabic or Persian word for Allah as "God".
Use instead the word "Allah".
The quote should read: by the grace of Allah....

CNN had a reporter there who told us all that these crazed comments were for internal consumption, so I guess we should disregard them...

Of course, my comment should be tempered with miriam rove's comment about the general population. But the fact is, the Revolutionary Guards are no in synch with the general population, and they, and the government, will act in opposition to the people in any case when they get a chance to "fulfill their destiny".

The beast from the east always talks like that. The problem is, he means it...

Islam is the "cancerous tumour" on the face of the world.

"With the grace of God and help of the nations, in the new Middle East there will be no trace of the Americans and Zionists"

You see, Ahm-a-dipstick is saying "with the grace of god". The trouble is.... it depends which god you're asking for grace, and Muslims, unfortunately for them, are asking the wrong god.....
Same old story, same old psychotic crap!

I hope, for the sake of not only the Middle East, but for the sake of the whole world that I lose the argument I'm about to start with Miriam Rove and Abraham Lincoln.

Nasty governments always find the cannon fodder for forces like the SS and, I suppose, the Revolutionary Guard in Iran. And, if the average Iranian could care less about Ahmadinejad and his bloviating, I would think that even a peasant, when offered a free trip to the capital and some spending money to spend an hour shouting "Marg bar Amrika", might think that there was something dishonorable about it and refuse.

And, as for America's most recent military ventures, while we did indeed rout the enemy, the enemy was still able to find a pool of eager recruits for a continuing asymmetrical warfare. Even if, as P.J. O'Rourke once put it, the young men of the little Hells where he spent his holidays simply found running around the hills carrying an AK more exhiliarating than pursuing a humdrum career, the military posturing of these same young men is still for the sake of a Jihadi ideology. Even the Hellish Hitler had his bitter ender supporters (including, it appears, the young Gunther Grass) Getting back to Iran, it seems that the most viable options there are either the mullah-ocracy or people like the Mojaheddin-e-Khalq, whom I find just as unpalatable. This is why I'm no enthusiast for war with Iran, and fear it would only be winnable if the USA was willing to act like the Mongol Khans.

The Iranians would not be doing any of this had they had calculated that the US would go ahead and stop them cold.
It is a risk assement thing, they are certifiably mad, but have not lost 1)absolute doubt, 2)capacity to do simple addition
There are people belonging to the leadership in America who can easily be blamed and readily faulted for having conveyed to the Iranians in the past, a lack a resolute determination for an automatic set of actins, kinematical in fashion, that would put their nuke factory plans to rest, for now and for ever.
Somehow the Iranian headship has concluded that the risk of failure is small and not enough to deprive them of their lust fro glory. The future of mankind and freedom is at stake, obozo not only failed miserably in ensuring our long term peace, but has actually opened the door to the islamic monstrosity for with his peace and praise to islam open hand appeasement policy.

Corollary to my last comment:

Bush: Shock and Awe = hussain KO'd 2 weeks

Obozo: Praise and Peace = ballistic missiles, 20% enrichment plus, 1000 more centrifuges...

need more?

Ahmadinejad: "With the grace of God and help of the nations, in the new Middle East there will be no trace of the Americans and Zionists"
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More bellicose saber rattling from the "Islamic Republic"...

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More threats of murder from Iran. Watch for the Islamic apologists in the West to claim yet again that he was "mistranslated" (no one seems to be able to get Farsi right but them) and that the real problem is..."Islamophobia."
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Indeed. Farsi seems almost as difficult to accurately translate as Arabic itself—given all those terrible "mistranslations" of the Qur'an itself. Odd that we don't seem to have that same sort of problem with other languages...sarc/off

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"'Tumour' of Israel will soon be destroyed: Ahmadinejad"

"The nations of the region will soon finish off the usurper Zionists in the Palestinian land.... A new Middle East will definitely be formed. With the grace of God and help of the nations, in the new Middle East there will be no trace of the Americans and Zionists," he said.
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Funny—Ahmadinejad doesn't seem to be talking about the "Two-State Solution", but rather about the complete *destruction of Israel*. I wonder how that can be...sarc/off

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The head of Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guards, General Mohammad Ali Jafari, told the Fars news agency as he attended the Tehran rally that "the Iranian nation has always been at the forefront of the (regional anti-Israeli) resistance in showing its animosity with Israel."
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Proud of their genocidal hate...

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Ahmadinejad, in his speech, claimed that "Zionists" triggered World Wars I and II, and had "taken control over world affairs since the moment they became dominant over the US government."...

Note AFP's equation of genocidal rhetoric with the stating of unpleasant truths:

Israel has been employing its own invective against Iran and its leaders, invoking the image of Hitler and the Nazis on the eve of World War II and accusing Tehran of being bent on Israeli genocide.
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Grotesque. No mention that the accusation of Jews starting world wars is a grotesque calumny, whereas the comparisons being made by Israel is quite accurate.

As for the difference of opinion in the thread so far, I have to agree with Wellington and Kepha—while I'm sure some Iranians are pretty cynical about the whole thing, I believe all too many of them *really are* true believers.

And like Kepha, I wish I was wrong. I'd love to believe that the average Iranian was a civilized secularist, who only maintains a gloss of Islam because they are compelled to do so—but I just haven't seen any evidence to back this up. Oh, I believe it happens—especially with the educated urban elite—but not that this represents any sort of majority opinion there. In addition, I'm not sure the Infidels can count on support even from this minority, the members of which are not in general known fr sticking their necks out.

As for the "Revolutionary Guards", I agree with johnmatt and others that they would likely break and run if faced with a modern military force. The fact that they are true believers does not make them brave. In fact, your average pious Muslim is much better at bullying the weak than at facing a disciplined resistance.

The only area where Muslims excel is in sneak attacks and situations where they exploit the ethical decency of their targets.

Ahmadinejad's constant sword rattling is a sign of utter desperation. I've seen it before in the early 60's when Nikita Krushcev made his "We will bury you" speech, at the U.N. What Krushcev was trying to accomplish then, is the same as what Ahmadinijad, is hoping to accomplish now. He's trying to draw out adversarial responses. Why? for two reasons, one, to evaluate them and two, to borrow time.

And again I must say to that assclown: It'll take the US and Israel longer to fuel our jets than it will to steamroll your "mighty" Islamic army.

Ahmadinejad - sounds more and more like "Baghdad Bob".

Let's hope the Israelis have a well thought out plan of graded conflict escalation, it might not take much to kick the slats out from under those delusional madmen.

https://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2012/07/has-baghdad-bob-moved-to-tehran

Guys,I am surprsied Robert hasnt posted this yet,a few days ago he debated Muslim Adnan Rashid of the Muslim Debate Intitiative on the theme "Did Muh. Exist?".
Here is the link to the radio debate,it is:

"Two Debates in 2012 on “Did Muhammad Exist?”,one between Two Non-Muslims(Wood vs Spencer),and a Muslim and a Non-Muslim(Rashid vs Spencer)"

http://www.antisharia.com/2012/08/18/two-debates-in-2012-on-did-muhammad-existone-between-two-non-muslimswood-vs-spencerand-a-muslim-and-a-non-muslimrashid-vs-spencer/

AND ALSO

"The Evidence is the 1995 Srebrenica Massacre of 8,000 Muslims by Serbs is a Hoax"

http://www.antisharia.com/2012/03/16/the-evidence-is-the-1995-srebrenica-massacre-of-8000-muslims-by-serbs-is-a-hoax/

"Life,Adventures and Documentary regarding Zheng He (1371-1433),Muslim Navigator of China"

http://www.antisharia.com/2012/05/31/lifeadventures-and-documentary-regarding-zheng-he-1371-1433muslim-navigator-of-china/

I go along with the analysis of Wellington. Any future wars are about how well you are prepared and planned the battle-management scenarios. It is not about "I am willing to die for Allah". RG of Iran are more filled with "I am willing to die for Allah" and that wish can be fulfilled with a bunch of "daisy cutters" as successfully shown during the "shock and awe" phase of the Iraq War.

@mMinoria

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If Israel weren't the work of Divine Providence "Allah's grace" would have destroyed the Jewish race long ago to prevent the possibility of the Jewish state existing.

Wayne,

Israel is conducting an effective intellegence gathering operation. They will know if and at what point, they must act in a more difinitive way. Be assured, Iran will never be a nuclear power, as long as this fundamentalist fanatic, remains in office.

Right now, Tehran is conducting cold war strategies consisting of dares, saber ratteling and trying to find out if and at what point Israel will act.

The "Bay of Pigs" incident comes to mind, when JFK ultimately took definitive action in order to stop the attempted nuclear arming on Cuban soil, by Russia

wy cant anyone get rid of this guy if we would have klled hitler we would not have had ww2 we are heading for war because of 2 guys and we do nothing about it shame on the western leaders for all the dead that this war will cause

"The Jewish state has in recent weeks intensified its threats to possibly bomb Iran's nuclear facilities to prevent it having the capability to produce atomic weapons."

The Jewish state has been longsuffering and an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities is long overdue ...and the Psalm 83 war is about to begin.

Note Psalm 83:2-8:

For behold, Your enemies make an uproar,

And those who hate You have exalted themselves.

3 They make shrewd plans against Your people,

And conspire together against Your treasured ones.

4 They have said, “Come, and let us wipe them out as a nation,

That the name of Israel be remembered no more.”

5 For they have conspired together with one mind;

Against You they make a covenant:

6 The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,

Moab and the Hagrites;

7 Gebal and Ammon and Amalek,

Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre;

8 Assyria also has joined with them;

They have become a help to the children of Lot. Selah.

(NASB version)

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For years now, Imanutjob has repeatedly stated his desire to "wipe Israel off of the map" ...

I deplore the act of war and the deaths that wars produce. Nevertheless I am realistic enough to understand
that war is sometimes the ONLY way to preserve the peace
in the long run.
In the case of Iran [& other Islamic insane nations],
WAR is the ONLY way to go in order to protect all other
civilized non-muslim nations from the murderous ideology
that Islam represents.
If my country, the USA, were to enter a war against
Iran, they would surely win quite easily with a large
measure of impunity.
On the other hand, if Israel were to enter a war, alone,
with Iran they too would probably win but not without some
great amount of casualties among their citizenry. Israel,
and Israel alone, has the unenviable decision as to
whether or not enter into a war. If Israel infact decides
upon war, then I would hope that America, and other nations,
would come to their aid in whatever manner appropriate.
Paranthetically I would add, America could by way of
merely telling the truth about Islam and the danger that
Islam presents to Israel and the world in general, actually
obviate the necessity of war entirely. By appeasing and
flatering various Islamic regimes over the years we have
emboldened them to do whatever they please throughout the
world.
When some Islamic king &/or dictator begins to understand that THEIR life is on the line, then and only
then will they abstain from encouraging and supporting
terrorism.

Peace, Paul R.