Hamas-linked CAIR tries to strong-arm Romney, demands he explain private meeting with pro-freedom General

This will be a test for Romney: will he kowtow to the Islamic supremacists and allow them to dictate with whom he can speak and consult? Will they succeed in intimidating him into distancing himself from General Boykin and downplaying the nature and magnitude of the threat of jihad and Islamic supremacism? Or will he tell them that he is not going to take orders from a Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood front group?

This will be a key test, indeed.

From Hamas-linked CAIR's "American Muslim News Briefs" email:

CAIR Asks Romney to Explain Meeting with Infamous Islamophobe Muslim rights group questions why candidate willing to hold private meeting with anti-Muslim extremist

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 8/9/12) -- The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today called on presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney to clarify his decision to meet privately with a key figure in the Islamophobia movement, retired Lieutenant General William G. "Jerry" Boykin.

Boykin asserts that "[Islam] should not be protected under the First Amendment," that there should be "no mosques in America" and that there can be no interfaith dialogue or cooperation between Muslims and Christians. In 2003, President Bush rebuked Boykin for his anti-Muslim stance.

Earlier this year, Boykin's extreme viewpoints resulted in him withdrawing from a prayer breakfast at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. CAIR and VoteVets.org, a coalition of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, had both asked the academy to retract the invitation because of Boykin's Islamophobic views....

Hamas-linked CAIR's propaganda screeds against freedom fighters cannot be trusted. Boykin was speaking about not extending First Amendment protection to Islam as a political system that is authoritarian, supremacist, and at variance in numerous ways with the rights and freedoms acknowledged by the U.S. Constitution. Hamas-linked CAIR obfuscates and dissembles about those elements of Islam, and would have you believe that Boykin simply wants to deny individual Muslims -- good, pious, hardworking people! -- First Amendment protection out of "bigotry" and "racism." But just today on Jihad Watch we have seen an amputation for theft and the jailing of people for gambling and for proselytizing for Christianity -- all in accord with Islamic law.

Hamas-linked CAIR reps will never discuss these aspects of Islam, or explain how they fit in with our freedoms and rights in the U.S. But these stories were the kinds of things that General Boykin was talking about. So we shall see: will Romney fold and submit? Or stand firm and maybe even declare his intentions to protect Constitutional freedoms from Sharia encroachment? That is probably too much to expect, but we can hope at least that he doesn't throw Boykin under the bus.

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CAIR Asks Romney to Explain Meeting with Infamous Islamophobe

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Romney has to explain himself to this group !!!

Okay, Mittens, lets see what ya gonna do.

Removing constitutional protections and mosques is probably a non-starter. I would go for a Congressional resolution that declares simply that Islam is a political meme, and NOT a religion.

That should get people thinking anyway....

CAIR is owed zero explanations, in fact it is none of their fricken business.

Cair: Why do you want to talk to Boykin?
(I hope) Romney: Because he get's it on Islam.
(and I don't need your permission to talk to anyone. On yer camel Abdool.)

Seems to me that General Boykin is not "Extreme" in his views att all, but blessed with the ability to recognise a threat when he sees it, and has the leadership in him to talk plainly about it. People should listen, he speaks the truth, your going to war, and in your OWN country, all to keep whats yours.

Seems to me that General Boykin is not "Extreme" in his views att all, but blessed with the ability to recognise a threat when he sees it, and has the leadership in him to talk plainly about it. People should listen, he speaks the truth, your going to war, and in your OWN country, all to keep whats yours.

LJP,,,, for Mitt Romney to even sit and talk to this general is far above any other president or man that has run for POTUS! l say he tuck away what he has heard from this general.. and understand what the West is up against.. he can use Cair to his advantage.. and still know the truth about islam!

Incidentally, yesterday Alex Seitz-Wald at Salon wrote a piece about Romney meeting with General Boykin

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/08/jerry_boykin_romneys_anti_muslim_general/

Was a /sarc/ missing Lorenzo next to !!!?
One cannot imagine YOU wanting Romney to jump to CAIR'S tune.

Incidentally, yesterday Alex Seitz-Wald at Salon wrote a piece about Romney meeting with General Boykin

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/08/jerry_boykin_romneys_anti_muslim_general/

Seitz-Wald also did a hit piece on Adam Hasner, running for Congress in Florida, over his connections with Pamela Geller and others he called the Islamophobia Caucus.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/09/15/wiretap_mosques_romney_suggests/

As per the article above, Romney 'got it' seven years ago. At the time, some CAIR-like group demanded an apology. As far as I know, he never caved.

Robert:

The reason CAIR and other organized Islamists are so brazen here in the US is because of the servitude of the US establishment, Republican and Democrat, toward the Muslims. It looks like the US is headed down to the lowest of the low: English low, Norwegian low, Swedish low.

Robert and Pamela:

I have followed your freedom action in Stockholm on August 4 with fascination. And the choice of venue was so appropriate: Stockholm that sybolizes the West's collective Stockholm Syndrome before the Muslims. Stockholm that has become the symbol of Western dhimmitude-servitude toward the Muslims.
All the power to you, folks! And I love the name of your international movement: SION ! For "Sion" means "Zion" in a number of languages. That's the idea: the Resistance can defeat jihad only if it unites under the glorious Blue Star. One does not need to be a Jew to be a Zionist. Zionism is not the Jewish religion, it is a political ideology. One can be a Melkite Catholic like you, Robert, or a Christian of any other denomination, or a Buddhist, or a Hindu, or a Sikh, or a Confucian, or a Taoist, or an atheist, and can still be a Zionist. Zionism should unite us all. There's no other way.

Robert and Pamela:

May I make a suggestion? Our cause can get a great boost through ... cinematography! In my Old Country, the Soviet Union, I was an anti-Communist, and haven't warmed-up to Communism now. Yet, I perfectly understand the words of the Bolshevik leader Lenin: "Of all arts, the most important for us is cinema". Indeed, the Soviet cinema from the start had powerful influence incide the Soviet Union and beyond. The best known of the early Soviet movies, "Battleship Potyomkin", is a cinema classic here in the West to this day. I can name at least 10 other masterpieces unknown in the West, but even better still.
Even now, with the DVD's, the myriads of TV channels, Netflix, cyberspace movies, etc., the movie theater still hasn't lost its magic. People take their seats in that multiplex in eager anticipation, and psychologically open-up, ready to be excited, ready to be influenced. And whenever I go to see a movie, I get all psyched, and then ... nothing but garbage comes at me from the silver screen. All that Hollywood production is designed with 2 things in mind: to grab tons of money, and to avoid offending the Muslims. The Russians and the Serbs are another story: they are portrayed as bad guys all the time, because it is safe for the Hollywood cowards. One of many examples: the "Sum of All Fears" movie, based on Clancey's book. In the book, the nuclear terrorists are Palestinians, but after CAIR protestsed, the cowards "re-did" the movie, replacing the Palestinians with ... right-wing Europeans and rogue Russians!
In this industry of universal cowardice, I think, there is a niche for us. Let us creat a totally new, courageous, Zionist Hollywood that will advance our cause by simply telling the truth! You, SION folks, might talk about this with MEMRI, they are the best. Financing must be obtained, too. Sheldon Adelson comes to mind. He is a good man and a devout supporter of Israel, who is making valiant efforts to help the election campaigns of Romney and other Republicans. Something tells me he will be very happy to fund Zionist cinema, just as the Universal Pictures tycoon Arthur Krim funded the Zionist classic movie "Exodus" 50 years ago. That movie was the greatest Zionist propaganda triumph of all times! Like I say, the power of cinema! Let us revive this courageous tradition and bring it to a whole new level! Let us present the history of Zionism in epic after glorious epic, in chronological order: "Yossef Trumpeldor", followed by "The Mandate", "Stern", "Irgun", "Menachem Begin", "Struma", "Exodus" (a new and even better one!), "The Birth of Israel", "1956", "Ariel Sharon", "1967", "Munich 1972", "Entebbe", and so on.
Full truth! On everything! No politeness to the English! No politeness to our own USA! The disgrace of the relentless treason by the Western democracies toward the Jewish people, the Zionists and Israel must be presented exactly as it happened! "The Mandate" especially should be poignant and educational, chronicling the escalating treason by the English toward the Jews, and the horrible tragedies that were caused by that evil treason driven by that evil, cowardly God-accursed pathology: to please, please and appease the Muslims world over. This will put the mirror to the faces of not only the English, but also the Norwegians, the Swedes, the Americans and other Western nations who are doing evil RIGHT NOW, for the same God-accursed reason: to please, please and appease the Muslims world over. Relentlessly and cowardly betraying Israel. Crucifying Serbia. Betraying their own countries by deliberatelly infesting them with Muslims.
SHAME THE ESTABLISHMENT! EDUCATE THE REGULAR FOLKS! We can shake up the entire Western world and wake it up to the jihad threat and the cowardly treason by our elites. We can make a great difference in this world.
Best regards to you, folks!
Zionism, and only Zionism can save Western civilization.
Zionism, and only Zionism can save the world.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

D: please, it is really hot in NYC today! no more hot air!! at least not today.
M

Excellent analysis, Robert. This subject, Romney's understanding of the extreme danger and hazard of islam to our Constitutional protections, and Freedom of the West, has been my only concern about Romney, and now I see much more reason for hope. And as you suggest, time and developments will determine this answer.

This clears my mind quite sufficiently to fully embrace supporting Romney, as our next and economy and Freedom saving President. When he takes an oath to protect America, we all know we can believe it, for a change, and I believe he is beginning to get an understanding of the true dangers of islam.

And his oath won't be sworn on a koran, which means in islam, taking no oath at all, as in at least Ellison's case!

Romney seems to "get it," BUT it remains to be seen how much power the DHIMMIRIGHT ELITE have over what he says....

Boykin has his head screwed on strait, IMO.

The "Islamophobia movement"?

We're a movement? Who knew?!

Since Romney is not a moral genius as were Washington, Lincoln and Reagan, he may waffle here on Boykin. Even if he does, I would vigorously argue that Romney is still almost infinitely preferable to Obama, if for no other reason than because of the many judicial appointments that will be made by the next President over the following four years, never mind standard stuff like support for Israel, understanding how an economy truly works and comprehending the need for a maximum American military readiness, in all of which Romney beats Obama hands down. Again, it should always be kept in mind that the perfect is the enemy of the good.

I'm ashamed to say I've been ignorant of General Boykin all this time. Finally, someone in a high place who has his head screwed on straight. It shouldn't be a feat; it should be elementary and unremarkable. But I guess in our time of widespread irrationality on this issue, what is elementary and unremarkable becomes singular and heroic by comparison with the mainstream's hegemony from their command center over the illogical corner they have painted themselves -- and all of us -- into.

Perhaps I s/h added a little sound effect,

http://www.sadtrombone.com/

Looks to me like retired Lieutenant General William G. "Jerry" Boykin has done due diligence.

He has either read the Enemy's book/s and used his common sense and powers of observation to deduce the correlation between Program and Behaviour, or he has paid attention to the work of others: either the unfashionable Old Books that do tell the truth about Islam, or the few contemporary writers who are also telling the truth. I am particularly pleased by his seeing through the 'interfaith dialogue' schtick.

I hope he has been able to discreetly enlighten others, whether within military circles, or beyond.

American jihadwatchers: write to Mr Romney ASAP. **Commend** him for meeting with Boykin, state that you believe Boykin to be entirely correct in his assessment of the threat posed by the Ummah, and encourage him (Romney) to resolutely defy CAIR.

Further, seems to me that General Boykin could do with some Love Mail. I *bet* he is receiving threats and being subjected to other kinds of pressure.

Write to *him* and state your appreciation of his plain speaking and commonsense. Ask him how he reached his conclusions re. mosques and the pointlessness of 'inter-faith dialogue' (stating that you concur, and explaining why).

You may wish to mention to him Raymond Ibrahim's various articles on Taqiyya and other varieties of Islamic Deception, asking whether he has read them;

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

"How Taqiyya Alters Islam's Rules of War: Defeating Jihadist Terrorism," by Coptic-American scholar Raymond Ibrahim in the Middle East Quarterly, Winter 2010.

http://www.meforum.org/2095/islams-doctrines-of-deception

Islam's doctrines of deception
by Raymond Ibrahim
, originally published in Jane's Islamic Affairs Analyst
, October 2008


and then there are Sam Solomon's and Vijay Kumar's articles on the meaning of the mosque,

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/28874
Saturday, 31 July 2010
What is a Mosque? An Interview with Sam Solomon


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/vijay-kumar-the-muslim-mosque-a-state-within-a-state.html


Vijay Kumar: The Muslim mosque: A state within a state

and Jacques Ellul's lapidary discussion of Jihad in his foreword to Bat Yeor's "The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam", available online here (whence it can be copied digitally onto one's own computer, or conveniently printed off as a document on paper)

http://www.dhimmi.org/Foreword.html


and Patrick L Moore's classic 1994 article, "From Cold War to Guerra Fria?"'''

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/GUERRA.HTM


Either Boykin has read one or more of these, and drawn the obvious conclusion; or if he hasn't, he would find them useful to support his case.

further thought: it occurs to me that the good General (ret.), might be a suitable Guest Speaker or Panelist for local or regional ACT for America consciousness-raising functions, and Events organised by other members of the Resistance.

It's been pretty difficult for me to warm up to Mitt. He just seems so...canned, packaged, almost like a caricature of a classic politician. That said, after what we've seen from Obamanation in his first term--when reelection is in the balance--a second term--with nothing for him to lose--looks like a prescription for disaster. Looks as if we're down to, "Mitt ain't much but he's all we've got."

I really do hope he'll tell these creeps (in a nice political way, of course) that he doesn't CAIR one whit about their demands and that they can go piss up a rope.
Looking for any sign of encouragement here...

A GREAT POST R.T.
The Democratic Party is one of the obvious reasons you have been ENRAGED,with 100% JUSTIFICATION,since 1999.

I have Serbian friends who also are ENRAGED,and am,too, along with you and them.
A 2nd term Clinton knew he could do what he did in the former Yugoslavia without every decent American voting him OUT because of it.
The Democrats have a history of getting into bed with The Jihad.

As a nation we can not go after a known Islamist organization like CAIR and that same CAIR asks for an explanation from a presidential candidate why he met with a certain individual. WOW!!! Something is very wrong here folks.

I'm not so sure I agree with General Boykin's idea for banning Islam in the USA--although I agree with him that Islam is a dangerous religion.

And, even if Islam is redefined as a political meme, the First Amendment's Free Speech clause is there to protect political speech, if nothing else. The jurisprudence on it over the last half-century or so has tended to more to protect the radical and rabid; so perhaps those of us who are more towards the center-right ought to make a little more public use of it.

Banning Islam would also give it the "forbidden fruit" appeal that works so well with the aggrieved and, especially, the gullible young.

The answer is what Robert Spencer is doing here--educating the public about the link between political violence and central Islamic doctrines. Further, our esteemed host has also avoided the idiocy of moral equivalence over Christianity and Judaism in his critique of Islam, a practice cultivated by the Left to make itself look mature and tolerant (when it is anything but). The more people get the message, the more an expansive Islam will be find itself boxed in by a suspicious public opinion that also understands why it is suspicious.


Would you have been OK with banning Nazism in the U.S. during the second world war?

As usual, excellent valid points, Wellington, and are the superceeding reason to vote Romney.

First, let me say I plan on voting for Romney in November. What choice do we have? Another four years of Obama? It remains to be seen whether Romney can energize a largely skeptical conservative base, depending on his VP pick and how he handles himself in the debates, etc. I voted for Gingrich in our primary in large measure because Gingrich was more forthright about the global jihad. In the December 10 Iowa debate, Romney rebuked Gingrich, essentially taking the side of the Palestinian Muslim jihadists.

Romney did well while in Israel last week or the week before, especially when he said (contrary to Obama) Jerusalem is Israel's capital but now he is backtracking, waffling over whether he would be willing to move our US ambassador to Israel's capital were he the president.

A couple or so weeks back, I read a piece on Politico written by Gingrich defending Michele Bachmann and her call for an investigation of Muslim Brotherhood infiltration / penetration into the government -- John McCain, John Boehner, Marco Rubio, Mike Rogers, etc. condemned Bachmann and her colleagues. Romney when asked last week about Bachmann and her colleagues said, "It is not a part of my campaign."

Wellington, that Romney is infinitely better than Obama, who can argue with you? The question is, will Romney energize his conservative base if he campaigns and behaves like John McCain?

I have a dream: A new William Ewart Gladstone calling the Quran an "Accursed Book"!
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2010/05/accursed-book-le-livre-maudit.html

@Enragedsince1999
I'm still outraged at what the treasonous US leadership did to inflict Islam on Serbia, it's a wrong that must someday be righted.
The idea of Zionism can be applied to, and can save many countries, not just Israel.
Zionism is the antidote to a dhimmified EU and UN.
Zionism is a force that can stand up against the global caliphate and the insanity of a one world tyranical totalitarian government.
A Zionism that is respectful of other legitimate countries is the answer not just for Israel but for many countries that are being sacrificed to Islam and Communism.
Keep talking, your message will get through.

General Boykin's Oak Initiative is a featured link on our Veterans site.


www.avajonline.org

Lieutenant General William G. Boykin is absolutely right.As for cair go to hell

"And, even if Islam is redefined as a political meme..."

Utter nonsense. No wonder you're "not sure" about banning Islam.

Rommney should be asking CAIR to explain about its contacts with known extremists...

Enragedsince1999,

Thank you for your comment. What you wrote about Zionism (the defending of the newly-re-founded, continuously intendedly genocidally besieged, liberal democratic, very small sole nation of the Jewish people) being what is needed to counter and dispel the Western collusion with, and enablement of, the Islamic supremacist political movement, and to, thereby, counter and dispel the Islamic supremacist political movement) is true.

(However, BTW, the Soviet Russian government was, and the post-Soviet Russian government has been, some of the most influential detrimental forces in their engaging in a racist intendedly genocidal effort to destroy the nation of the Jewish people.

The members of the Soviet regime of Russia were who invented and developed and originally propagated, in the West, the term and concept "Anti-Zionism".

However, as you referred to in you comment, the governments of the U.S. and of Western European countries have been engaged in a malicious racist, and greed-for-petroleum, effort to undermine, and, in some cases, to destroy, the nation of the Jewish people.)

vladtepes2,

Of course Zionism is respectful of other legitimate countries. Zionism - the Zionist movement -- was simply the Jewish liberation and national self-determination movement. The Zionist movement was completed in 1948 with the official re-founding of the country of the Jewish people, Israel. However, because the newly-re-founded liberal democratic very small sole nation of the Jewish people, Israel, has been under continuous intendedly genocidal siege since it was officially re-founded in 1948, the term Zionism has been continued to be used by Jewish people. Zionism is simply the belief that the Jewish people have a right to have, and to live in, and to govern themselves in, and to protect themselves in, their own nation like other national groups of people. (A "radical" "outrageous" belief in this racist anti-Jewish world (this Western world (this culturally Christian-European -- Christian and formerly-Christian- world)), I know.)

BTW: The term Zionism is based on the word Zion, which is the English spelling and pronunciation of the Hebrew word Tsiyon (pronounced: tseeYOHN), which is the name that, approximately 3,000 years ago, the Jewish people called the area of land (the hill and an area of land around that hill) on which the founding city, Jerusalem (Yerushalayim), of the founding country, Israel (Yisrael), of the Jewish (Yehoudi) people sits, and was built, by the Jewish people, approximately 3,000 years ago.

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Western culture was founded on the main principals of Jewish culture. And the beneficial aspects of Western culture -- the aspects that constitute liberal democracy - are Jewish culture. And Western culture has been contributed to largely by, and developed largely by, Jewish people.

Either the West will continue in the way that it has done continuously for the past two thousand years, and will, therein, out of its therein engaged-in vile evil perverse anti-Jewish racism, destroy itself and all beneficial human civilization; or the West will, for the first time, defend the Jewish people and stand up for the Jewish people, and will, thereby, protect Western civilization and all beneficial human civilization.

A typo correction (to my previous comment):

In my previous comment, I wrote:

"...you comment..."

which should be:

"...your comment..."

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And, I apologize if what I wrote in my previous comment was harsh. I am just distressed and frustrated. However, I hope that what I wrote in my previous comment may be beneficial.

"There will be time enough to contemplate the harm this act will have done the United Nations. Historians will do that for us, and it is sufficient for the moment only to note the foreboding fact. A great evil has been loosed upon the world. The abomination of anti-semitism--as this year's Nobel Peace Laureate Andrei Sakharov observed in Moscow just a few days ago--the Abomination of anti-semitism has been given the appearance of international sanction. The General Assembly today grants symbolic amnesty--and more--to the murderers of the six million European Jews. Evil enough in itself, but more ominous by far is the realization that now presses upon us--the realization that if there were no General Assembly, this could never have happened."

-- Daniel Patrick Moynihan, in response to the passing of the "Zionism Is Racism" Muslim-Soviet resolution in the United Nations in 1975 (at which time the United Nations was presided over by Austrian former Nazi, Kurt Waldheim, who, at that time, in 1975, was the Secretary-General of the United Nations)

"The liberal project began to fail when it began to lie."

-- Daniel Patrick Moynihan, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, U.S. Senator, Democrat

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BTW: I used to take for granted that I was what I now call "contemporary 'Liberal'". However, I no longer consider myself to be "Liberal". However, the political views that I now hold are, I think, a balance between those of Classical Liberalism (liberty of the individual) and those of Social Liberalism (help to those who need help).

For all the concerns I have, as a Roman Catholic, with mormonism and the "cultist" tendencies some have ascribed to mormonism, Mitt Romney, has, steadfastly, from day one, STRONGLY supported Israel. I believe him.

Many liberal Jews in the US helped get Obama elected.

Probably the largest single block of Israel supporters in the US are evangelical Christians.

So, where is all I have just written going?

Here:

islam MAKES AND KNOWS its enemies.

islam hates Jews, every bit as much as the nazis did, and helped Hitler round up Jews in WWII.

islam DOES NOT want Romney to be POTUS, because Romney's support for Israel is REAL.

Whereas Obama has thrown Israel under the bus, islam knows a President Romney would not think twice about coming to the aid of Israel, were she attacked, and that any military assault upon Israel, would immediately feel the incredible power of US military might. I spent my whole career working for the US Navy, and I can tell you that full US military assistance to Israel, would forcibly neutralize ALL enemy attacks upon Israel.

That is why CAIR is going after Romney.

I assure you CAIR will not intimidate Romney.

CAIR should butt out. It's none of their business who Romney talks to. If I were Romney I would make a point of challenging CAIR as to why they are interested in who I talk to. Their response would make entertaining reading.

These thugs of Cair keep surprising me more and more every day, it takes al lot of audacity to ask Romney about his "whereabouts". Ergo: they think that victory is in sight. The Caliphate is rising and so is their arrogance.

The audacity of it, it brims with confidence on Hamas to ask such a question and that confidants can only come from the White House.
This reminds me of Clinton having a behind doors meeting with the 57 or 47 Islamic Block to help them stop FREE SPEECH at the UN.
Stand your ground Mr Romney this is your first test and your not even in the white house.

I'll second that, CHOI . . .and let's not forget that Christiane Amanpour was Clinton's MSM mouthpiece during that sick betrayal.

I had to get that one in, y'know I've got a longstanding grudge.

I would hope Mr. Romney not only asks CAIR in **public** about its ties to Hamas, but also its ties to many vicious anti-semite jihadists, imams , the Muslim Brotherhood, etc.

It's time these traitorous scumbags had things pushed in their faces. **Out loud.** **In public.**

ConAIR is demanding this and is offended by that and wants explanations for this and a retraction for that. Wow, do they really think that Americans still see them as sincere and credable. I don't think so.

What did it for me was when I first saw and heard Ibrahim Hooper on Fox News attempting to express benevolent American Islamic messages. Even his name, tries to convey that phoney message.

Yes, I remember Mr. Hooper. I remember reading about him in "Fun With Dick And Jane" in the third grade.

JW fans all have had years to educate themselves with the Koran, Sharia Law, the Hadith, Islamic ideology, the motivation of Islam, and the seriousness of international jihad.

However the legislators, administration, military, Department of Justice, the Department of Defense, and the United States citizens remain ignorant on the above topics.

With that all in mind it's fair to say, "Americans (in general) have no clue how far behind (with Islams ideology) they are". In fact they are 4 years behind most of us, and decades behind some of us.

Most Americans have no clue about jihad,taqiyya,kaffirs,dawwa, jizya, subjugation of Jews and Christians, purdah or pardeh,haram, and of course the jund al-khalifa. How could they possibly understand
Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood front group?

Most in office have Muslim advisers helping them understand Islam. Has anyone else thought that maybe bias?

The administration (Democrats and Republicans) has sided with the Muslim Brotherhood for several decades, they probably wont change in four years time. It would be likely Romey will give-in to Hamas-linked CAIR strong-arming. There is no doubt in my mind Obama's friends would give-in.

You replied to Kepha "Would you have been OK with banning Nazism in the U.S. during the second world war?"

On an emotional level we all would be OK with it, but the bigger point that matters is that there was no need to ban Nazism during WW2. Most Americans knew was Nazism was, and at the end of the war we fully knew.

Americans need to get to the same place with Islam. We need to abandon the PC/MC BS we are being fed.

If the vast majority of Americans come to believe that the aspects of Islam that conflict with the U.S. constitutional order ought to be banned, the result will be the same as if it were banned, but without injury to the constitutional order. A de facto ban is as effective as a de jure ban, and a lot more flexible.

Break out Islam's religious component, What's left is core Nazism. Islamic supremacy is even more sinister, because it uses a diety and the sanctity of religion to further it's political agenda.

Religion is an importent INCIDENTAL part of Islamism. They know how to use it and how dear the freedom of religion is to Americans. They use it in order to garner sympathy and evoke political correctness.

This is what's misunderstood by most Americans.

"Pro-freedom"? perhaps. But Boykin is also a fundamentalist Christian and believes the US should have a religiously oriented foreign poliucy. I find these ideas repellent and dangerous.

Daniel: "However, BTW, the Soviet Russian government was, and the post-Soviet Russian government has been, some of the most influential detrimental forces in their engaging in a racist intendedly genocidal effort to destroy the nation of the Jewish people."

I often wonder how big of a part the Russian Orthodox church plays in their decision making. I bet it's more then most know.

In the Article above: "This will be a key test, indeed." It will be very interesting to watch. Thank you for the report Robert. Too bad the lame media (all of them) refuse to report on such an important topic.

CAIR needs to be kicked out of America....along with that UN.

Igor Slamoff: "But Boykin is also a fundamentalist Christian"

If a true Christian...then he believes in:

Don't lie
Don't steal
Don't cheat
Do no murder
And do not covet.

Anything beyond those commands - is not Christian.

Commanded in the koran:

Koran (chapter and verse given for proof)


047.004 - Beheadings

033.052 - Gang Rape of female 'infidels'

005.033 - Crucifixions

008.067 - Treason (perjury in a non-muslim court is commanded when defending islam)

033.061 - Genocide "without mercy"

005.041 - Racism

Proof of racism...but you be the judge for yourself....

005.041 O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: whether it be among those whosay "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie

Change the word "Jews" to "Muslims" and watch the murderous temper tantrums take place around the whole globe.

The tree is known by his fruit Igor Slamoff - and you need to wake up to the real Truth. Otherwise...Islam is going to become a part of your life - whether you like it or not.

But Boykin is also a fundamentalist Christian

Horror of horrors! As fundamentalist as Mother Theresa?

Good Lord! I dread to even think of the consequences of the "religiously oriented foreign policy" he advocates. They may lead to the survival of the Christian West. No wonder you find such outcome repellent and dangerous.

@Wildjew, Lemonlime, and Tom Davis (and anyone esle):

What bothers me about Gen. Boykin's idea (much as I respect him as our country's soldier and a fellow Christian) is that we might be putting too large a weapon into the hands of a government that is already to large and too close to being intoxicated with its own power. I believe that government is a positive good for our species, not merely a necessary evil, but it must recognize that it has limits.

Further, political leaderships that get crusading for one thing or another--even good things--into their heads tend to engage in overkill. My anti-Communism is one thing that I don't see as a sin from which I must repent, but I sometimes wonder if pushing back at it was really worth the excess militarization of our country and the great expenses we put into shoring up half the rest of the world--surely contributors to our longstanding problem of national debt and balance of payments. I would foresee the use of political and military measures against everything from Mauretania to Mindanao, the Kama to the Comorros, and Nigeria to Ningxia as a further way to bankrupt our country, waste our young manhood (young women in uniform will probably get pregnant and pull leave when the shooting starts--a Navy friend of mine groused about this during the First Gulf War), and foster a poisonous cynicism among our people--as well as further bloat our government.

I doubt that people like Nadharkhani, the Caner brothers, Nabeel Qureshi, some West African immigrant students I've known, those folks down in southern Turkey or the Kabyle region of Algeria, and others were won away from Islam by people shouting,"we're going to ban you!" Hence, there are other ways to win this fight.

It's enough for us to continue our education project and undermine the PeeCee/EmCee machine. We're being amply aided by an Islam that insists on being either violent, obnoxious, or both.

P-ssy Riot disrupts, desecrates and curses the Christians in their own church in a greedy publicity stunt and they are heroes.

Boykin disagrees with Islam and this makes him an evil man that no one must speak to.

Humanity’s hypocrisy index is reaching critical mass.

Kepha: "What bothers me about Gen. Boykin's idea (much as I respect him as our country's soldier and a fellow Christian) is that we might be putting too large a weapon into the hands of a government that is already to large and too close to being intoxicated with its own power."

Well, let's get rid of obama - and if America is blessed...that will change.

Robert....you know what you need? You need your own television network.

To be that small wee voice in the wilderness, but to become the shouting voice from the roof tops....that is so drastically needed these days.

Water finds its own level....and I have no doubt that your network would become #1 !!! in no time - simply because the people are STARVED for truths.

I can dream - can't I? But I can pray too.

What a great idea, we1. That is exactly what our nation needs: someone to tell the truth about islam and its murderous koran.

You're right, this is a litmus test. But anyway Romney is much better than Obama, we can't bake a perfect candidate. But we can always choose the lesser evil.

Europe needs a strong and valiant America, we're a sinkuing ship.

The short answer is "no," wildjew, if Romney doesn't do any better than McCain in energizing the conservative base. I mean, let's face it, McCain (Dole too) was dismal here. I do, however, appreciate, at least to a fair extent, Romney's dilemma, to wit, he can't win without a good portion of the moderate vote (personally I'm so tired of moderates---what a bucnh of wusses they tend to be when it's crunch time) but he can't win either if the conservative vote stays home or stupidly votes for a third party candidate. It's a thin line Romney has got to walk and I'm sure the best of his advisors (at least I hope so) know this. I mean, what exactly would you advise, assuming your first priority is Romeny winning?

Hope you and those closest to you are doing well. Long live America and Israel. Down with Islam.

Mit Rommey will lose the election due to turn to the far right he have taken. This general was force to retire from the army due to his far rightwing view. The take of GOP wanting to end Social Sectuery retireing will cause many retire people and near retirement age people to vote for our current president.

Daniel

just for you, in case you haven't already come across it (you probably have).


http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/43085

Thursday, 19 July 2012

Vladimir Jabotinsky's Place In History, And Slovo O Polku

Dear dumbledoresarmy,

Thank you. Thank your for that link to that article. And thank you for your support. Your support is a comfort and relief to me.

And, I hadn't come across that article previously. So, again, thank you.


Best wishes,

Dan

Oops...Another typo correction (to a typo mistake that I made):

In my previous comment, I wrote:

"...Thank your for..."

which should be:

"...Thank you for..."

----

dumbledoresarmy, I apologize for making that mistake.

And again,

Best wishes,

Dan

I'd been rather luke-warm on Mitt Romney-although I'd still planned on voting for him.

But recently I've had increased reason to believe that he at least partially "gets it" about Islam. If Romney stands firm on the stance he's taken on the threat of Islam and support for Israel, then I'm going to feel a lot more confident when I step into that voting booth in November.

DefenderofIslam,

You wrote:

"...far rightwing view..."

That's "funny", coming from someone such as yourself who is a proponent of Islam -- orthodox Islam -- authoritative Islam -- a religious and political ideology and system of government which prohibits, upon punishment by death, criticism of the supposed founder of that religious and political ideology and system of government, and which prohibits, upon punishment by death, the renouncing of that religious and political ideology and system of government, and which mandates the killing of those whom it deems to be adulterers, and which mandates the chopping off of hands of those whom it has deemed to be thieves, and which holds the testimony of a woman to be worth less than the testimony of a man, and which mandates the killing of all people who are homosexual, etc., etc., and which mandates the annihilation of all civilizations and systems of government that are not itself.

I'm not bothered by Islamic supremacists.

What I'm bothered by is the legion of Westerners (the members of the governments of Western countries, and the Western academics, and the Western journalists, and the Western political activists, etc., and the Western laypeople) who support, and, therein, enable, Islamic supremacists and the Islamic supremacist political movement. That is: I'm bothered by the imbecility and lack of moral integrity of the Westerners who support, and, therein, enable, Islamic supremacists and the Islamic supremacist political movement. That is: I'm bothered by Western anti-Jewish racism; and I'm bothered by Jewish Stockholm Syndrome. Only Western anti-Jewish racism can make Western people (Western non-Jewish people) be so stupid and evil as to support Islamic supremacists and the Islamic supremacist political movement; and only Jewish Stockholm Syndrome can make Jewish people be so deranged and immoral as to support Islamic supremacists and the Islamic supremacist political movement.

And,

I disapprove of draconian action. And I disapprove of violent action.

What needs to be done is non-violent beneficial action -- skillful action.

What needs to be done is simply to tell the truth.

And,

I, again, apologize for the harshness of my previous comments -- in this case, my more recent previous comments. I, again, was feeling distressed and frustrated when I wrote my previous comments -- in this case, my more recent previous comments. However, again, I hope that what I wrote in my previous comments -- in this case, my more recent previous comments -- may be beneficial.

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