Nonie Darwish: Why Muslims must hate Jews

Why Muslims Must Hate Jews
by Nonie Darwish

Recently a Pakistani religious leader, Pirzada Muhammad Raza Saqib Mustafai, said: 'When The Jews Are Wiped Out... The Sun Of Peace Would Begin To Rise On The Entire World'. The same preaching is routinely done not only by clerics but politicians, in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. This is not just Ahmedinijad, it is at the heart of Islamic theology that world peace will be established only when all the Jews are wiped from the earth. But few people in Western media are alarmed by this kind of rhetoric or care to expose this dreadful dark side of Islam’s obsession with Jew hatred.

I do not believe one has to be an authority on human behavior or group thinking to find out the obvious pathology in Islamic Jew hatred. It is time for all of us to uncover and expose this atrocity against the Jewish people. We owe that to humanity and the truth.

No true Muslim can see that such hatred is unbecoming and unholy for a world religion to focus on and that the credibility of Islam is tarnished by such hatred. No Muslim is allowed to go far enough to self analyze or question why such hatred. Muslims defend Jew hatred by claiming that Jews betrayed Muhammad and thus deserving of this kind of treatment. Even when I was a Muslim, I believed that the one sided story against Jews by Islam, was enough to justify all the killing, terror, lies and propaganda by Islamic leaders against Jews. To the average Muslim, routinely cursing Jews in mosques feels normal and even holy!

After a lot of thinking, analysis, research and writing I discovered that Jew hatred in Islam is an essential foundation to the Islamic belief system that Muslims cannot seem to be able to rid themselves of. Jew hatred masks an existential problem in Islam. Islam is terrified of the Jews and the number one enemy of Islam is the truth that must be constantly covered at any cost. It does not matter how many Muslim men women and children die in the process of saving Islam’s reputation. The number one duty of Muslims is to protect the reputation of Islam and Mohammad. But why would a religion burden its followers like that? This is why:

When Mohammed embarked on his mission to spread Islam, his objective was to create a uniquely Arabian religion, one created by an Arab prophet, which reflected the Arabian values and culture. Yet to obtain legitimacy, he had to link it to the two previous Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Christianity. He expected the Jewish tribes who lived in Arabia to declare him their Messiah and thereby bring him more legitimacy with Arabs, especially with his own tribe in Mecca, the Quraish. Because his own tribe had rejected and ridiculed him, Mohammed needed the approval of the Jews, whom he called the people of the book. But the conversion of Jews to Islam was part of the scenario that Mohammed had to accomplish in order to prove to Meccans that they had made a mistake by rejecting him.

That was one of the reasons Mohammed chose to migrate to Medina, a town that had predominantly been settled by Jewish tribes and a few impoverished Arabs who lived around the Jews. The Jews allowed Mohammed to move in. At the beginning, the Koran of Mecca was full of appeals to the Jews, who were then described as “guidance and light” (5:44) and a “righteous” people (6:153–154), who “excelled the nations” (45:16). But when the Jews rejected the appeasement and refused to convert to Islam, Mohammed simply and literally flipped. The Quran changed from love to threats and then pure hatred, cursing and commandments to kill Jews. Rejection by the Jews became an intolerable obsession with Mohammed.

Not only did the Jews reject him, but also their prosperity made Mohammed extremely envious. The Jewish Arabian tribes earned their living from legitimate and successful business, but Mohammed earned his living and wealth through warfare, by attacking Arab tribes, some of whom were from his own tribe, and trade caravans and seizing their wealth and property. That did not look good for a man who claimed to be a prophet of God. The mere existence of the Jews made Mohammed look bad which led Mohammed to unspeakable slaughter, beheading of 600 to 900 Jewish men of one tribe, and taking their women and children as slaves. Mohammed had the first pick of the prettiest woman as his sex slave. All of this senseless slaughter of the Jews was elaborately documented in Islamic books on the life of Mohammed, not as something to be ashamed of, but as justified behavior against evil people.

One does not have to be a psychiatrist to see the obvious, that Mohammad was a tormented man after the massacre he orchestrated and forced his fighters to undertake, to empower and enrich himself and his religion. To reduce his torment, he needed everyone around him as well as future generations, to participate in the genocide against the Jews, the only people whom he could not control. An enormous number of verses in the Koran encouraged Mohammed’s fighters to fight, kill and curse Muslim fighters who wanted to escape fighting and killing Jews. The Quran is full of promises of all kinds of pleasure in heaven to those who followed Mohammed’s killing spree and curses and condemnation to those who chose to escape from fighting. Muslims were encouraged to feel no hesitation or guilt for the genocide because it was not they who did it, but “Allah’s hand” was behind the killing.

Mohammed never got over his anger, humiliation, and rejection by “the people of the book” and went to his grave tormented and obsessed that some Jews are still alive. At his deathbed Mohammed entrusted Muslims to kill Jews wherever they found them, which made this a “holy commandment” that no Muslim can reject. Muslims who wrote Sharia, understood how Mohammed was extremely sensitive to criticism and that is why criticizing Mohammed became the highest crime in Islam that will never be forgiven even if the offender repents. Mohammed’s message on his deathbed was not for his followers to strive for holiness, peace, goodness, and to treat their neighbors as themselves, but a commandment for Muslims to continue the killing and the genocide against the Jews.

Killing thus became a holy act of obedience to Mohammed and Allah himself. Mohammed portrayed himself as a victim of Jews and Muslims must avenge him till judgment day. With all Arab power, money and influence around the world today they still thrive at portraying themselves as victims. Sharia also codified into law the duty of every Muslim to defend Mohammed’s honor and Islam with their blood and allowed the violation of many commandments if it is for the benefit of defending Islam and Mohammed. Thus Muslims are carrying a huge burden, a holy burden, to defend Mohammed with their blood and in doing so they are allowed to kill, lie, cheat, slander etc.

Mohammed must have felt deep and extreme shame after what he had done to the Jews and thus a very good reason had to be found to explain away his genocide. Thus by commanding Muslims to continue the genocide for him, even after his death, Mohammad expanded the shame to cover all Muslims and Islam itself. All Muslims were commanded to follow Mohammed’s example and chase the Jews wherever they went. One hundred years after Mohammed’s death, Arabs occupied Jerusalem, and built Al Aqsa mosque right on top of the Jewish Temple ruins, the holiest spot of the Jews. Muslims thought they erased all memory of Jewish existence.

Mohammed’s genocide of the Jews of Arabia became an unholy dark mark of shame in Islamic history, and that shame, envy, and anger continues to get the best of Muslims today. In the eyes of Mohammed and Muslims, the mere existence of the Jewish people, let alone an entire Jewish state, de-legitimizes Islam and makes Mohammed look more like a mass murderer than a prophet. For Muslims to make peace with Jews and acknowledge that Jews are humans who deserve the same rights as everyone else would have a devastating effect on how Muslims view their religion, their history and the actions of their prophet.

Islam has a major existential problem. By no will of their own, the Jews found themselves in the middle of this Islamic dilemma. Islam must justify the genocide that Mohammad waged against the Jews. Mohammad and Muslims had two choices: either the Jews are evil sub-humans, apes, pigs, and enemies of Allah, a common description of Jews still heard regularly in Middle Eastern mosques today, or Mohammad was a genocidal warlord and not fit to be a prophet of God, a choice that would mean the end of Islam.

Then and now, Mohammad and Muslims clearly chose the first worldview and decreed that any hint of the second must be severely punished. Jews must remain eternally evil enemies of Islam, if Islam is to remain legitimate. There is no third solution to save the core of Islam from collapsing; either Mohammed was evil, or the Jews were evil. Any attempt to forgive, humanize, or live peacefully with Jews is considered treason against Islam. How can Muslims forgive the Jews and then go back to their mosques, only to read their prophet’s words, telling them they must kill Jews wherever they find them? It does not add up, if someone wants to remain Muslim.

That is why, the number one enemy of Islam is, and must remain, the truth. If the truth exposes Islam’s unjustified Jew hatred, Muslims will be left with an empty shell of a religion, a religion whose prophet was a murderer, a thief and a warlord; without Jew hatred Islam would self-destruct.

Nonie Darwish is the author of The Devil We Don’t Know.

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I have a lot of respect for Nonie Darwish. Her book, 'Cruel and Usual Punishment' was one of the first that I read on the subject of Islam.

In the next Miss World competition will we see an Iranian muslima in chador, who instead of simpering about "world peace" will want "world peace, but first wipe out the Jews".

"...Muslims were encouraged to feel no hesitation or guilt for the genocide because it was not they who did it, but “Allah’s hand” was behind the killing."

Q. 8:17 "It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah's: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself: for Allah is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things)."

"...The Last Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews
and KILL THEM"
Saheeh (Most Authentic) Muslim Book 41, #6981 - 6985

"The Book Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents
of the Last Hour (Kitab Al-Fitan wa Ashrat As-Sa`ah)"

I think I know too much about Islam, I understood every word she wrote...Allah hates Jews first but he hates all kuffar equally after Jews...He says in his book who he hates, besides Jews, Christians, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Taoists, Wiccans and any other kuffar and a Pygmy tribe of headhunters in the Congo...
Yes, Allah is a hater, and a terrorist 8:12, and a racist because he is married to Arab...Arab is his partner, his only partner...Allah shirks himself...must be some kind of mistake...

Nonie Darwish wrote: "When Mohammed embarked on his mission to spread Islam, his objective was to create a uniquely Arabian religion, one created by an Arab prophet, which reflected the Arabian values and culture. Yet to obtain legitimacy, he had to link it to the two previous Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Christianity. He expected the Jewish tribes who lived in Arabia to declare him their Messiah and thereby bring him more legitimacy with Arabs, especially with his own tribe in Mecca, the Quraish...."

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Robert, how can Darwish's theory be squared with your own theory that Muhammad did not exist?

Just wondering.

One could argue that whether it happened that way or not is irrelevant.

Nonie is taking the story that Muslims tell themselves, the story that she was told and believed to be true back when she was a little girl growing up inside the Ummah, the story that Muslims use to justify Mohammed's hatred of Jews which is also *their* hatred of Jews, and then (from her point of view as an ex-Muslim who is also trained in psychology) exposing and analysing the psychopathology that manifests in that story.

Whether a real psycho Arab warlord named *Mohammed* actually did massacre Jews for the basest of motives - and then told himself a story to justify it, is one thing; but we do know that whether there was such a person or not, there certainly have been a whole lot of Muslims who have enacted the paradigm found in those stories from the Sira and Hadith, and have deployed similar strategies of blame-shifting.

It has often occurred to me that even if Mohammed was real, the claim that he was driven to do this or that because he was 'rejected' and 'persecuted' by his mean ol' family and tribe and the mean ol' Meccans and the mean ol' Jews, might actually be as spurious as all subsequent Mohammedan pantomimes of victimhood.

M Scott Peck has some interesting discussion of the evil personality (whether of an individual or a group) in 'People of the Lie'. He had a client who was a thoroughly evil person; but when her own behaviour, her own extreme wilfulness and laziness, her refusal to 'follow the rules' (e.g. the rules that require you to pay attention to road signs) caused her to suffer, she blamed the world, not herself. Peck observes: "Repeatedly I attempted to explain to her...how her disregard of others was at the core of her failures, and how self-destructive was her extreme narcissism. But "the world is too inflexible", was the closest she ever came to acknowledging the problem, "And unkind".

I get your point. Nevertheless, I hear much the same thing from atheists and Jew-haters. They argue Moses did not exist. It's myth. They say there isn't any evidence in ancient Egyptian records, etc. So I guess you could tell me, one could argue that whether or not Moses existed or the Exodus happened or God came down on Mount Sinai is irrelevant. Because that is what the Jews believe.

@wildjew and dumbledore's army:

Maybe Robert Spencer is a big enough man to give space to Ms. Darwish even if she does accept the historicity of Muhammad?

Not to disparage our esteemed blog host, for whom I admit a lot of respect, but, let's take a poll:

1. I'm convinced by Robert's arguments that there was no historic Muhammad.

2. Although a JW reader, I still believe that Muhammad existed in real, objective history, even if I'm not a Muslim.
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For the record, while Uncle Kepha respects Robert's scholarship, he still believes in Muhammad's historicity.

In my opinion, whether Mohammed existed or not does not make any difference to our situation where our FREEDOM is in DANGER.

You are probably right. I believe Jesus existed. Do you believe Jesus existed? Does it matter whether Jesus existed or did not exist? Maybe not.

The two cases aren't necessarily the same.

Arguing that Mohammed is a myth, or a fraud, doesn't necessarily mean one can successfully make the same argument about Moses.

Because the atheists are starting, really, from the a priori assumption that *all* religions are built on either deliberate fraud or on self-deception.

But why should that assumption be true?

Just because one particular cult may turn out to be based on a fraud, doesn't mean that all other 'supernatural' belief systems can therefore be assumed to be the same. Each case must be examined separately.

What I see when I look at Islam is fraud and deception and nonsense and lies from beginning to end, from top to bottom. I see hiding and concealment. I see Allah described as a deceiver or trickster or 'plotter' (and the word used implies malice). Muslims flee introspection and self-critique like the plague, and have absolutely no real interest in objective truth or facts as such. So I wouldn't be that surprised if I found out that Mohammed was a fraudster, or that he was 'invented', or bigged up, by fraudsters.

Judaism, on the other hand, even when one is just going by the standard translations of the TaNaKh, is the opposite: there is this huge emphasis on introspection and self-critique, and on Truth and Troth. YHWH gives and keeps his word; he makes and keeps Covenant (therefore, he is diametrically opposite to allah the 'greatest of plotters'). think of Psalm 24: "who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord, or who shall stand in his holy place? He that hath clean hands and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully". Tom Cahill in his book 'Gifts of the Jews' notes that history matters, to the writers of the TaNaKh. It *matters* that something happened.

And it's because of this that I am inclined to distrust the Mohammedan accounts of things - including their accounts of 'Mohammed' - and to *trust* the Hebrew account of things (even when that account seems to contradict some of the accounts we have from the histories, such as they are, of certain other peoples. Because I know that when I'm dealing with the Hebrews - with the Jews - I'm dealing with what might be called a 'culture of truth-telling', a culture that *is* interested in 'saying the Thing that Is' (however personally uncomfortable the thing may sometimes be) - whereas with Islam we are dealing with what one writer ( a mere blogger, but he nailed it in one) called "a civilization of deception".

The other day, I was listing to a speech at Audible.com Dennis Prager gave a couple or so years back: "The Case For Judaism." Prager believes the Torah and the Hebrew Bible are divine because the narrative presents the Jews in a very unfavorable light. Unlike other cultures who invent myths, the Jews are self-critical. British historian Paul Johnson put it similarly:

"....the evidence against the Jews was all there in the Bible, which they had written themselves. Therein of course, lay a terrible problem for the Jews. One of their greatest gifts was the critical faculty. They had always had it....But they were not only critical; they were, perhaps above all, self-critical....They saw the truth, sometimes the ugly truth, about themselves, and they told it in the Bible. Whereas other peoples produced their national epics to endorse and bolster their self-esteem, the Jews wanted to discover what had gone wrong with their history, as well as what had gone right. That is why the the Bible is littered with passages with which the Jews are presented as a sinful people, often too wicked or obstinate to accept God's law, though they know it. The Jews, in fact, produced the evidence for their own prosecution...." (A History of the Jews, page 206)

There are a authors in the New Testament that I do not particularly trust. Nonetheless, I believe there is a compelling case that Jesus existed. The god presented in the Qur'an is quite unlike the God presented in the Hebrew Bible as you say. I cannot say Muhammad did not get a "revelation" of sorts from somewhere or from something. The Torah makes the case that God spoke directly to Moses; not in visions or in dark sayings, but as a man speaks to his friend; mouth to mouth. Not so Muhammad. Muhammad reportedly got his message / revelation by means of an intermediary.

wildjew, you are asking if it matters whether Muhammad or other figuresactually existed, or does it only matter that their followers believe they existed.

Surely the answer is that whether or not they existed matters in some respects but not in others. Ultimately it does matter. But in some narrower contexts, it doesn't. For example, Muslims behave as if Muhammad did exist. Even if he didn't, there is some usefulness, as you know, in sometimes accepting the Muslim assumption for the sake of discussion with them -- in order to show that, even if Muhammad did exist, the Islamic texts show he was a terrible exemplar. But in other contexts, it matters very much whether he really existed. For one thing, you might be able with good evidence to weaken Muslim belief in him, or transform the non-Muslim concept of him. When one tires of that, one could go back to arguing with Muslims on their own terms. There is no reason one cannot do both. Whether or in what sense Muhammad existed is still a debate anyway.

If you are concerned about inconsistency, then I suppose, whenever talking about Muhammad, one could insert in parenthesis some such phrase as, "though I don't believe he actually existed", or "though it's not clear he even existed", or some such phrase.


One of the reasons I find the story of Jesus so compelling is that the writers of the Gospels do tell that they abandoned Jesus. There is not rationalization/self justification of their behavior in the writings.

"Arguing that Mohammed is a myth, or a fraud, doesn't necessarily mean one can successfully make the same argument about Moses.

Because the atheists are starting, really, from the a priori assumption that *all* religions are built on either deliberate fraud or on self-deception.

But why should that assumption be true?

Just because one particular cult may turn out to be based on a fraud, doesn't mean that all other 'supernatural' belief systems can therefore be assumed to be the same. Each case must be examined separately."

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Hi dumbledoresarmy,

I am an atheist, although I prefer the term "non-believer". I always thought that being labeled for not being something was very "telling".

I do not assume "that *all* religions are built on either deliberate fraud or on self-deception."

I am a non-believer for one of two reasons.
1.) I am completely ignorant of a religion and therefore don't hold a belief in it.
2.) I have examined a religion and found very obvious flaws in it.

I have found very obvious flaws in both Christianity and Islam. I have no interest in pointing them out to you though. If you wanted to see them, you would have by now. I will say that I think it is interesting how Christians can see the flaws in Islam, and Muslims can see the flaws in Christianity, but both groups are blind to the flaws in their own beliefs.

All that being said, Christianity doesn't bother me too much, but Islam really scares the hell out of me.

Loves God,

Given such evidence as I believe I've experienced, to me it seems reasonable to think that Christ was the pivot of all human and cosmic evolution. Though I don't go along with the creationists, I think of evolution in some ways very differently from the Darwinian idea of it, since I take the non-physical to be a reality, and matter to have gradually "congealed" out of the non-physical over long periods of time. Although that outlook upends things a bit, natural selection still has some place in my understanding of evolution.

In any event, the human being appears last in the fossil record, and so must be acknowledged as physically last in evolution, but is the only unspecialized life form, and in that sense the human being, spiritually or formally speaking, is akin to the unspecialized beginning of evolution, prior to the specializations represented by all other life forms, the various plants and animals, etc., which are fragments of evolution's unspecialized, universal, beginning. Spiritually, the human being was in some sense first, at the starting point, and all the other creatures are in some sense fragmentary derivations of the human. Physically, the human being is last to exist, as shown by the fossil record. During the long process of the materialization of the material world out of the spiritual world, all the creatures except humanity descended too precipitously to maintain anatomical universality. In descending too quickly into matter, the various animal species became "over"-specialized anatomically. Only humanity retained and developed the unspecialized quality present at the beginning of evolution, and did so by "descending" at a rate not too precipitous to maintain a certain balance between matter and the spirit. But I'll stop there, since this website is not about Christ or spiritual speculations about evolution; it's a big tent meant to include all freedom lovers, whether atheist, agnostic, Buddhist, Hindu, animist, Jewish, anti-Sharia Muslims, etc.

I wish to chime in on three points..

1. Mohammed did exist in history, but you can aruge like many that he may have been not named mohammed (prophet of doom has a wonderful except on that one).
And the hundreds of death threats that follows..

2. Jesus existed and (according to the bible) backed up his claim to be God in the flesh, as well as perform so many documented miracles that even Jesus said m if you dont believe in me for the prophets sake , then believe me for the works that i do..

3. But what atheists and liberals and many other islamist apologetics wont tell you is this..

Given a choice of either going to a christian church, and having christians running the country..

Or muslims in power They all immidiatly cry out..
Oh we cant argue hypotheticals now can we?

Simply put (OH TES YOU CAN)..

For everyone knows all you have to do to start a small or large scale war is to

a. take a Koran and a bible
b. cover both in pig fat
c. light them both up
d. put the video on youtube..

Now i wonder if ALL the Liberals , aetheists and Democrats would choose to

A. run to a mosque to hide..
B. run to a church to hide..
C. run home and prepare a kneeling mat facing mecca
To avoid having your head sawed off by a rusty butcher knife

Seriously they ran a cartoon after the mohammed motoons clashes and it showed a bunch of liberal democrat reporters all hiding under their desks in terror..

The liberal and democrats / atheists hypocrisy is appalling.

I know God is NOT in a book, meaning God doesnt freak out if a bible is burned..

But muslims cannot take even a HINT of anyone questioning their beliefs..

When someone is that paradoid to committ murder and mass murder all in the name of a so called prophet..
You wont win them over with logic or reason.

I just wish i could write so well as you..
Maybe i would be A Better debater?

Just my 2 cents..
But i am very careful now whenever i see any woman with a scarf on i must assume she is a muslim and dont you dare look at her (or the next sound you might hear is) the muslim screaming allah akbar as he tries to kill you for looking at his wife???

Their brainwashed and unfortunatly i think the only way is to either seperate ourselves from all of them
Or confront their insane beliefs..
Maybe that is what must happen..

I pray each day for one thing now..
TRUTH..

Wow, nonie is one dumb bitch.......with a name like nonie :)

So who wiped out 6 million jews? White Christian folk, LOL

Skouti, Nazis killed the Jews. Nazis were not Christians. In fact, at the Nuremberg trials, Eichmann's aide exposed that the Holocaust was the idea of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

Why did you bring race into it? Do you think that Muslims are non-white? The Grand Mufti was white as is the Ayatollah Khameini. In fact, all Iranians and Arabs are Caucasians.

Why does the thought of the murders of 6 million innocent people cause you to laugh out loud?

Ignorance, bigotry, and psychosis in one angry, hapless, low grade package. Don't act shocked. You can't count the number of people, especially women, who have told you, you don't measure up.

Where do you live? I feel a responsibility to warn those unfortunate enough to be near you.

Nonie is a very brave person for publishing this, that is a very good reason to believe what was written. This article is one of the saddest I have ever read.

I find Nonie's theory of the pathological Islamic Jew hatred has resonance with the same persistent Jew hatred passed down to the generation of some Christians. Jesus was uprooted or stolen by early Christians who appropriated Jesus and exploited in order to founded the early church. (Some scholars say at the root of Christian Jew hatred lies Paul the Apostle.) They de-legitimized and alienated the Jews when they refused to accept Jesus as the Messiah, and further accused them of deicide. I was once shocked to read Martin Luther's condemnation of the Jewish people (I guess for not converting to Christianity) it's no wonder this hatred erupted from time to time as pogroms and culminated in the Holocaust.


To MOST of the above posters - Thank You for your thoughts on this subject. Many of the same thoughts or questions I have had for years and some of these posts answered some.

I am concerned about the best way to deal with Islam.
Spreading the Truth is the preferred method. Robert, Pamela, Nonie, Ayan, Ali Sina, Wafa, Sujit Das, and many others are doing their best. If it would work? I think the mass of modern Muslims would like to modify many of Allah dogmas - but they are trapped.

IMO - attempts at a peacefull solution will get continue to get nastier until the big ugly happens..

skouti is a young muslim male living - it would appear on the dole - in Britain.

He has been wildly abusive to Shakila on her blog, often using filthy, immature language both there and in a few of his posts here. As soon as I make Robert aware of it (when he returns from Europe), I expect skouti to be banned. He's too uncouth and primitive to observe proper rules of "forum decorum (typical musloid behavior).

skouti is a young muslim male living - it would appear on the dole - in Britain.

He has been wildly abusive to Shakila on her blog, often using filthy, immature language both there and in a few of his posts here. As soon as I make Robert aware of it (when he returns from Europe), I expect skouti to be banned. He's too uncouth and primitive to observe proper rules of "forum decorum" (typical musloid behavior).

oh boo fcukin hooo.....put cgw nose out of joint....not too difficult given what a backward ass cracker he is

say it again..... who wiped out 6 million jews ?

WHITE CHRISTIAN FOLK

Who killed the 270 million infidels during the 1400 years of Islam?

Well there we have it. If the Jews had only accepted Muhammad a the genuine 'Prophet and Messenger' the world would be one of peace and love and we could all get on with killing apostates and Homosexuals, stoning adulterers and rape victims, doing the odd bit of honour killing and beating our wives. It is as the many dear wise Imams, Mullahs and Ayotollahs tell us, all the fault of the vile evil Jews. Oy vey they have a lot to answer for.

DMD, I'll ask, but he's pretty busy in Sweden right now, so he might have to wait until he returns. I'll remind him then.

It'll be great to hear from you, buddy!

The appalling "skouti" wrote:

Wow, nonie is one dumb bitch.......with a name like nonie :)

So who wiped out 6 million jews? White Christian folk, LOL
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Repulsive. It is notable that most of those—like "skouti"—who are either lauding or laughing about the Holocaust today *are Muslims*.

The same is true for those threatening Jews today, both in Israel and in places like Europe.

On other recent threads here at Jihad Watch, he has been sneering at the Israeli athletes murdered by his savage coreligionists at the 1972 Olympics, and gloating over the lack of a moment of silence in commemoration.

Not that he does not actually refute a single thing that Nonie Darwish has to say—because he cannot.

Of course he can't. The truth is very dangerous to Islam.

Re abuse of Jews by Christians, versus abuse of Jews by Muslims.

I do not think that any practising Muslim has ever written a book like Rev James Parkes' "The Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue", or like Malcolm Hays' "The Foot of Pride" (aka "Europe and the Jews"). The Ummah simply does not 'do' self-critique.

Whereas Christians inherited from the Jews the habit of self-examination, self-critique. And at a certain point - however belatedly - that searing light inevitably fell upon what many Christians - including, alas, people otherwise as brilliant as Luther - had done to Jews, and said about Jews.

And it should not be forgotten that it is possible to be a perfectly orthodox practising Christian - such as James Parkes was all his life, or such as Jacques Ellul was also (Jacques Ellul held a completely orthodox Christian view of Yeshua of Nazareth as the Saviour of the World, the Word made flesh) - and to be completely free of Jew-hatred; to have, indeed, a deep and real and steadfast love of Jewish people.

I am not so sure that it would be possible to be an orthodox Muslim and at the same time *not* hate Jews.

Are there any fervent full-on practising Muslims out there, who are as free of Jew-hatred - and, indeed, as sincerely and naturally philojudaic - as were James Parkes and Jacques Ellul? Or as was Corrie ten Boom? As Nazi occupation began to bear down heavily upon the Netherlands, and as the rounding up of Jews for extermination began in earnest, Corrie prayed, "Lord Jesus, I offer myself for your people [and by 'your people', in this case, she meant 'the Jews, your earthly kin']. Any thing. Any time"

I actually hadn't looked at it from this angle -- and nobody is more surprised than I. But it makes sense.

I guess one has to see it from the inside to perceive it so clearly.

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Oh, just BTW. please be careful not to overfeed the trolls.

Describing skouti as "appalling" is giving him way too much credit. Abysmal ghetto mediocrity cannot appall; though it can annoy -- or, in a desperate attempt for recognition, may try to inflict violence as a way to make up for their lack of substance (and of course will mistake our pragmatic concern for self-defense as some kind of appreciation).

Describing skouti as "appalling" is giving him way too much credit. Abysmal ghetto mediocrity cannot appall; though it can annoy -- or, in a desperate attempt for recognition, may try to inflict violence as a way to make up for their lack of substance (and of course will mistake our pragmatic concern for self-defense as some kind of appreciation).

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“Robert Spencer incarnates intellectual courage when, all over the world, governments, intellectuals, churches, universities and media crawl under a hegemonic Universal Caliphate’s New Order. His achievement in the battle for the survival of free speech and dignity of man will remain as a fundamental monument to the love of, and the self-sacrifice for, liberty.”
Bat Ye’or

“Robert Spencer is indefatigable. He is keeping up the good fight long after many have already given up. I do not know what we would do without him. I appreciate all the intelligence and courage it takes to keep going despite the appeasement of the West.”
Ibn Warraq

“America's most informed, fearless, and compelling voice on modern jihadism.”
Andrew C. McCarthy, Senior Fellow at National Review Institute

“Robert Spencer is the leading voice of scholarship and reason in a world gone mad. If the West is to be saved, we will owe Robert Spencer an incalculable debt.”
Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs

"The consummate Islam critic and expert." — Bruce Bawer

“Over the years, we have become friends, and I have received his assistance on several pieces of legislation I proposed.”
Former Congressman Tom Tancredo

“Few people are capable of applying scholarship, analytical reasoning, and objectivity to their topic -- while simultaneously being readable and witty -- as can Robert Spencer.”
Raymond Ibrahim

“A national treasure...The acclaimed scholar of Islam.”
Frank Gaffney, Center for Security Policy

“I am indeed honored to call him my friend.”
Brad Thor, novelist

“A top American analyst of Islam....A serious scholar...I learn from him.”
Daniel Pipes

“A brilliant scholar and writer.”
Douglas Murray

"One of my best teachers."
Ashraf Ramelah, Voice of the Copts

“Thank God there’s at least one man with balls left in the West.”
Kathy Shaidle, Five Feet of Fury

“I read people like [Mark Steyn] and Bob Spencer and the rest of them, and I say, ‘Boortz, you’re pretending you’re an author. These people really are. They really write some entertaining, some standup stuff.’”
Neal Boortz

“Robert Spencer is the Stephen King of Jihad.”
Chris Gaubatz, Muslim Mafia

“Armed with facts and fearlessness, Spencer stands up for Western civilization.”
Michelle Malkin

“Widely read in conservative foreign policy circles.”
New York Times

“Widely read in many quarters in Washington.”
Washington Post

“A canny operative who likely has the inside track on the State Department’s Middle East affairs desk should the tea party win the White House.”
New York Magazine

“A hero of the American right.”
Karen Armstrong

"The leading anti-Islamic intellectual in the United States....The go-to Islam expert for the right wing."
Salon Magazine

“Robert Spencer is an Edward Said turned upside down.”
Stephen Suleyman Schwartz

“One of the nation's most notorious Islamophobes.”
Hamas-linked CAIR

"Geller and Spencer are probably the most important propagandizing Islamophobes in the world. These people's voices speak very loudly — not just here in the United States but overseas."
Heidi Beirach, Southern Poverty Law Center

“Satanic ignoramus.”
Khaleel Mohammed

“The Likud anti-Christ.”
Dar al-Hayat newspaper (Saudi Arabia)

“Zionist Crusader, missionary of hate, counter-Islam consultant.”
Al-Qaeda’s Adam Gadahn, “Azzam the American”



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