Oklahoma police captain sues department after being docked two weeks' pay, transferred, and made ineligible for promotions for refusing to attend mosque event

This is all part of the war on Christianity and the promotion of Islam that has been going on in Europe for years and is now rampaging across the United States.
The police captain is right to stand his ground on this issue.

The whole thing is an encroachment.

The Jihadists who struck America could not have asked for more.

That an American could face penalty for not attending a mosque
- is the dawn of a dark day indeed.

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Proselytizing the Islamic religion in the name of anti-racism must be stopped.

Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?” "I am the way, the truth, and the light and NO ONE comes to the Father except through me"

Jesus "just a prophet", that's not what my bible tells me despite the heretical lies being perpetuated by many so-called "Christian Interfaith Outreach" groups. This brave and courageous Tulsa police officer should not be required to attend an evil "religious" event that denies this crucial Christian truth under any circumstances - "cultural outreach" or otherwise. As a Christian: this officer must indeed believe this fundamental Bible verse of John 14:26 and he should not be punished for standing up for his convictions.

I have to say that I think the suspension was justified.

This police captain is ordered to attend an event as part of his duties. He disagrees profoundly with the substance of the event. So far, so good.

But, we have been reading about the Muslim hostess at Disney World who sued to keep her hijab on while she performed her official duties. Very few people here were sympathetic with her, for the reason that they are unwilling to allow a Muslim to interpose her religious beliefs to interfere with a job she was hired to do.

I think the same logic applies to this police captain. If he were to proselytize outside the mosque grounds on his own time, I'm all for it. But, for his official duties, he is subject to the decisions from his superiors, and if he disobeys them because his is "uncomfortable", he deserves discipline.

Suppose there were a threat of violence against the mosque, and he was commanded to attend in plain clothes as part of a security plan. Would he still object? The police command have a right to expect their sometimes-critical decisions to be carried out by the police rank and file.

Fields is a courageous man, but should never have been put in the position of having himself to attend at a mosque, or order any of his officers to do so.

Any visit there by police officers should have been strictly for policing purposes - security, building layout, numbers of attendees, parking, etc. To subject them to talks on Islam as well as a 45-minute prayer service could have been considered by many officers as a challenge to their own faiths, as well as an affront to any personal belief systems.

What if the contingent of officers had been all-female? Perhaps that would have been a good solution, one that would have brought certain Islamic practices into sharp focus.

Would they enter through the front door, would they participate in the main worship hall—or be relegated to a secondary hall, would they sit at the front of the asssembly or behind male attendees, would menstruating officers have to self-identify and go to the far, far back of the hall and refrain for participating at all, would they have to cover their heads with a scarf after removing the police headgear, would they have to listen as they are told about women's honoured place in Islam, while denying the evidene of their own experience there, perhaps even having to listen to Muhammad's words that "women are deficient in intelligence", would they be allowed to take part in leading the prayers?

Yes, that might have been the solution to the dilemma unfairly presented to Fields.

Under what theory of law can a state employee be required to attend a prayer service?
It is one thing to do community outreach and meet with people, but being ordered by the government to attend a prayer service? No.

Apparently separation of church and state does not exist in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

As a 32 year veteran in law enforcement I stand 100pct. with Captain Fields. No officer should be forced to participate in any religious activities if he so chooses. Let alone this is an opportunity for Muslims to practice dawa (proselytizing) on these unsuspecting police officers.

HOW IRONIC IS THIS!! Shall we recall the incidents in Dearbornistan, Michigan were Christians were arrested by police officers on a public street for handing out Christian literature near a Muslim Fair-.

RonB has it right.

When Capt Fields puts on his uniform, his duty is not to enforce his personal views of the law, or his personal views of morality, or his personal views of religion. His duty is to enforce the law of the United States, which is neutral on the subject of religion. If he cannot do that, he should resign.

When attending a Muslim event, he is representing US Law Enforcement and his personal beliefs are irrelevant. Note he is not required to believe anything about the Muslim faith, so his freedom of religion is not an issue. What if during normal duties he met a person who insulted Jesus Christ? That is not a crime in the US, and he should not respond to it as a provocation.

Btw: The Pope visits Mosques and Temples, does he not?

No police officer (or anyone else, for that matter) should be forced to attend a mosque--or any other place of worship--except in the line of duty. If the police have business with or want to conduct "outreach" (I hate that term) to the "muslim community" (that one too), then they can conduct that in an open forum / town meeting setting, in a NEUTRAL public place, where anyone and EVERYONE with concerns can be heard. That would be the difference between conducting public affairs professionally and responsibly rather than what we have here: a transparently one-sided propaganda show with a religious service to which no one should be forcibly subjected.

So, yes, I think this officer has a case against his department.

Tulsa PD has a problem and has had for several yrs. To order a Christian to attend a prayer meeting at a mosque is an unlawful order and shows a lack of awareness of the nature of Islam by the leadership of the dept. I too am a retired LEO and pastor of a church. My dept. would never have asked me to attend such an event. Training is one thing, (should have been held at the PD) but indoctrination and a prayer session at the mosque is another. Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God, therefore for a Christian to pray to a false god would be a grave sin. All you have to do is go to the book of Daniel to find out what a believer does in this case. The Capt. is fortunate the Tulsa PD doesn't have a dungeon full of lions. Oh, wait. Maybe they do!

Wow, sounds like a case for, dare I say it...the ACLU!

Yes, I am well aware the ACLU currently sides with the likes of jihadi terrorists these days. However, I would love to hear their excuse on how they get out of this one, especially since it appears that Capt. Paul Campbell Fields' AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES were compromised in this case.

The police department is endorsing Islam, and requiring officers to endure organized proselytizing.

The officer cannot express his religious beliefs since that could be seen as an endorsement of his religion by the organization that he represents.

But the organization that he represents has already endorsed Islam.

J-I-H-A-D... straight ahead

There's a detour sign on the road that winds
Out on the broad highway
But the place for me is the sign I see:
J-I-H-A-D... straight ahead

I'm gonna settle down when I reach that grand mosque fair
I'm homeward bound and I know I'll soon be there...

Where the tall corn grows and the black oil flows In old Oak, K S A
In the middle of it all I hear the call:
J-I-H-A-D... straight ahead............!

-- brought to you by America, Asleep at the Wheel

"If a Muslim police officer had refused to attend an outreach event at a church, do you think he would have been docked pay and denied promotion? I don't either."

You can bet your life NO OFFICER would ever BE REQUIRED to go to a Christian meeting. There would be such an uproar.

You must understand, the prevailing view is that Christians are looney phonies who have oppressed everyone IN THE WORLD, especially their own children. Not only have they raped and pillaged other countries with their expansionism, they also infect healthy people with diabolical guilt complexes. Let's face it, the opinion of most people is that Christianity is an oppressor. Any non-Christian, especially one who complains/hates/persecutes Christians, is extolled as a hero of civil rights.

It's a very interesting phenomenom over my lifetime, watching Americans turn from wanting their fellows to have a Christian ethic because that made for a better nation, to castigating Christians as moralists who hate everyone and don't want anyone to have fun.

But lest we despair, remember: God always has His faithful remnant.

How can a state institution order an employee to attend a religious service? Way out of line. I hope he gets a big settlement. Robert Muise is his lawyer, no problem. Big settlement.

Welcome to the world of the double standard. We have to be "sensitive" and "understanding" about Muslim sensitivities; but Christians are expected to be relativists and accept the frequent insults to their religion.

Were I in Fields' shoes, I would have gone to the event, but I would have refused to participate in Islamic prayer, stating that while I respect the Muslims' right to believe what they will, I cannot bow to any deity save the Three Persons and One Substance, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It would let all know that there are Christian consciences, and let the Muslims know that someone else can hurl the "idolator" epithet at them.

For the situation in which the Christian officer is required to compromise his beliefs, I blame not the ACLU or immigrants or anyone like that, but a few generations of apostate so-called "Protestant Christian" clergy who insisted that the church do all the running it can to remain a respectful five paces behind its cultured despisers. These were people who thought that those sitting in the seat of the scornful and conspired to cast of the bands of the LORD and His anointed were oh-so-wise.

If the chief was up to the task he could have used the event as a learning experience for the officers. Give them a briefing on the concept of taqiyya and tell them to be alert for it and take notes during their visit. Afterwards hold a meeting to discuss what they heard from the imam and others and then pass out the taqiyya decoder rings to figure out what they were actually saying.

"The donnybrook has its origins in a Jan. 25, 2011, Tulsa Police Department staff meeting, in which Deputy Police Chief Alvin Webster informed fellow officers of the March 4 event at the Islamic center.
At that point, attendance was voluntary, according to the lawsuit."

If neither the police department nor the Muslim mosque required or requested a police presence it would seem the police officers claim is valid...he could not attend for whatever reason he chose...This is just another attempt by the State of Oklahoma to force Islam down your throat..

Do you remember Oklahoma Judge Vicky Lagrange-Miles who overruled the citizens vote to ban Shar'ia law in their state?

First the muslum willnot force any non-muslum to join then in prayer. With the widespead hated of muslum encourge by anti-muslum groups in america police department must take step to counter act that anti-muslum hated in america.

It's the thin end of the wedge.

Remember the slew of recent cases of Muslim rape of teenagers and underage girls in British towns?

Those rapes have been going on for years with police deliberately ignoring pleas from the girls themselves or their Mothers.

Now why would that be?

RonaldB has conveniently chosen to address only the emotional aspects of this case, dodging a response to the facts here:

1. When a governmental agency mandates an employee to attend any house-of-worship during his working hours, that agency has crossed the line between church and state and has violated his rights

2. Any attempt to compare this officer's refusal to attend this affair and, for instance, refusing to respond to a 911-call from a house-of-worship is ludicrous. This officer did not fail the public nor his employer in the line of duty and never suggested that he would

3. Any special interest group can seek a meeting with police to air their concerns. Such meeting should be expected to relate to law enforcement questions and issues and be held in a public location where all concerned have an opportunity to speak. This would not include a religious service and it could be argued that this affair was not conducted to address relevant law enforcement issues

4. Most (all?) departments have a public affairs department to liaison with their communities on questions, complaints and issues within those communities. Such a department may find it valuable to attend this type of affair. That would be a voluntary decision, of course, and in keeping with their jobs. Why, then, the need to force a line-captain to attend, on point of punishemnt?

This officer's department--a public entity--attempted to force him to attend a religious event during his on-duty hours. And when he declined, they compunded their error by getting punitive with him. Now he's pushing back, and rightfully so. And he will win...

Forty-five minute prayer service? Just long enough to say all 15 decades of the rosary!

Or, all 20, if you include JPII's Luminous Mysteries

To: vladtepes2 posted 8/17/12-8:55AM

Your post begining with: "Islam is a religion-FALSE".
And ending with: "Enough of Satanic Islam hiding itself behind the Holy Robes of religion". Together with the
intervening two brief paragraphs, are, for me, the Holy
Grail of comments on JW.

Your posting is the most concise and succinct comment
I have ever read in the year+ that I've been reading JW.

I wish that everyone would read &/or reread your post!!!
vladtepes2 for President.....

Peace, Paul R.

Since when have the followers of Allah and Muhammad APPRECIATED Western law enforcement ???????

There's just one circumstance under which it would be permissible to order a law enforcement officer into a mosque: as a member of a SWAT team, with weapons drawn, as he kicks in the door, tosses a flashbang grenade, and rounds up the terrorists hiding there, along with the arsenal of RPGs and IEDs that the imam has been building in the cellar.