Pakistan Hindus facing vicious persecution from Muslims

Why are the Pakistani muslims worried that the hindus might not return? Could it be that the muslims depend on the hindus to keep their economy afloat? (Or from getting worse anyway.) I suspect it's one more instance of islamic dependence/parasitism on everyone else.

This story, sadly, should surprise no one.

islam, since it was a gleam in the crazed, mass murderer's eyes of mohammad, has always been at war with infidels.

... doesn't matter a twit how nice the (fill in the blank) infidels treat muslims in their own country. If you are a law abiding muslim in Israel, for example, you have no problems. But, as a supposedly law abiding muslim in Israel, you conveniently forget to tell Israeli authorities that Uncle Abdul, and about 20 of his friends are tunneling into Israel next week to blow up an Israeli restaurant, with all of its occupants, who is going to run down that information BEFORE the attack?

Arguably one of the greatest mass crimes in history has been the treatment of Hindus by Muslims over the centuries. In fact, it would be much harder to argue against this contention than for it.

Another black mark on Islam. God, there are so many.

Preventing them from leaving Pakistan is in and of itself a violation of international human rights standards. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights provides (13(2)):

Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Masayminch (“We’re not fasting” in the local Arabic dialect) was founded last month by Moroccan youths seeking to defend individual liberties, starting with the right of non-believers to eat, drink or smoke in public during the Muslim holy month.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/08/11/little-sympathy-in-morocco-for-ramadan-boycott-group/#ixzz23GxjsZAW

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Pakistani Hindus?

Are they still in Pakistan?

What is it about Islam and Hinduism they don't understand, after having lived under the whip for the last 60 years or so.

From the article:" Before leaving Pakistan, members of the delegation had to give an undertaking to the authorities that they would not seek asylum from the Indian government and would under all circumstances return to Pakistan within 30 days, Kumar said."

Muslims don't like losing their chew toys/ scapegoats/ punching bags/ source of sex toys and sacrificial victims. It's exactly like a domestic abuser who tells his wife that she better not try to leave, *or else*.

Want to bet that sometime soon Muslim Pakistan will start refusing to let HIndu - or Christian - girls and women leave Pakistan?

The Indian government should say quietly to the Hindu refugees/ escapees from Pakistan: 'we know those b*st*rds in Pakistan forced you to agree not to *seek* asylum in India, but that doesn't mean you can't say Yes if *we* ask *you* if you'd like to stay here and not go back into the Predator Pits".

Thought for the day: Population Exchange. All Mohammedans to be evicted from Indian Kashmir; Pakistani Hindus and Christians - and the few remaining Sikhs and Buddhists - take their places.

"We are businessmen but have been compelled to leave our motherland because of harassment, lawlessness, looting, kidnapping of girls and their forced conversion to Islam."

Isn't that the model established by Mo/allah in seveth century Arabia that Muslims all over the world follow so faithfully and proudly!!One wonders about their being humans??

war with Islam would be better

It's all headed our way. Thanks to libtards who still think multi-kuturalism is still a fine idea.

If this place in Paki is mostly Hindu, maybe India's army should waltz over there and take some ground. They both have nukes - time to get it on.

Muslims have always despised the Hindus,they really vandalized India,read:

"Babur,Founder of the Mughal Dynasty in India,Destroyed the Temple of Rama,one of the Most Sacred in Hinduism"

http://www.antisharia.com/2012/02/16/baburfounder-of-the-mughal-dynasty-in-indiadestroyed-the-temple-of-ramaone-of-the-most-sacred-in-hinduism/

“Jauhar,or the Mass Suicide of Hindu Women(1300-1600) to Avoid becoming the Sex-Slaves of Muslims”

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/10/11/jauharor-the-mass-suicide-of-hindu-women1300-1600-to-avoid-becoming-the-sex-slaves-of-muslims/

"“One of the Most Sacred Hindu Temples,that of Shiva in Somnath,was Destroyed 6 Times by the Muslims”

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/06/12/one-of-the-most-sacred-hindu-templesthat-of-shiva-in-somnathwas-destroyed-6-times-by-the-muslims/

"The Temple of Krishna in Mathura,his Birthplace,one of the Holiest in Hinduism,was Destroyed by Muslims"

http://www.antisharia.com/2012/02/29/the-temple-of-krishna-in-mathurahis-birthplaceone-of-the-holiest-in-hinduismwas-destroyed-by-muslims/

Pakistan Hindus facing vicious persecution from Muslims

"We are businessmen but have been compelled to leave our motherland because of harassment, lawlessness, looting, kidnapping of girls and their forced conversion to Islam." Compare this to the rights that Muslims enjoy in India.
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Yes, indeed—that "Land of the Pure" is pretty much *pure hell*—especially for Hindus and Christians.

More:

In the backdrop of a 14-year-old Hindu girl’s abduction in Pakistan’s Jacobabad city in Sindh province three days ago, a controversy erupted when a delegation of 150 Hindus was detained by Islamabad for seven hours on Friday before being allowed to enter India for a pilgrimage. Head of the delegation Anup Kumar said they were supposed to cross over to India in the afternoon, but their arrival was delayed because the Pakistani authorities were apprehensive that they may not return due to the law and order problems in the southern province of Sindh, where most of Pakistan’s estimated seven million Hindus live.

Why would they want to return?
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Just like the Communists with the Berlin Wall, it is *always* a bad sign when a state will not let its citizens leave.

Any real democracy—hell, any semi-free state—lets its citizens go if they want to...

More:

Before leaving Pakistan, members of the delegation had to give an undertaking to the authorities that they would not seek asylum from the Indian government and would under all circumstances return to Pakistan within 30 days, Kumar said.
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Hostages...why *shouldn't* they seek asylum in India?

More:

He said Hindu families were not safe in Pakistan and kidnapping of young Hindu girls and brides at gunpoint by fundamentalists had become a routine affair. “There is no law and order in Sindh and the government is watching the activities of fundamentalists as a mute spectator.”
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That's *because they approve*...

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He said it was possible that the majority of the delegation members would never like to go back to Pakistan in the prevailing circumstances. He said Hindu girls were being forced to convert to Islam after being abducted.
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Islam has used this vile technique since its earliest days—they aren't going to stop now.

They are asking for a declaration from the hindus that they will return. The reason could also be that they intend to take over and auction the Hindu's properties if they fail to return. This way the Muslims can have their cake and eat it too. As usual and as everywhere else.

RS" Why would they want to return?"

DP11 "Pakistani Hindus?

Are they still in Pakistan? "

Perhaps, because the Hindus of pakistan are the original inhabitants of these lands, whose ancestry goes back, not decades or centuries but a millennia. It is the muslims who are the invaders and occupiers. It is the muslims who have no ties to India and consider it only as conquered territories. For the Hindus, This is their homeland; this is the only home they know. Just as for Jews they have ancestral ties with Israel.

I know that in the mobile society of the west, ancestral homes and lands are not that important, but for many Indians and Hindus all their identities are with their homeland, the land of them and their ancestors.

As for why the porkies want them back? Obviously it is bad publicity for them and also they need the religious minorities like the Hindus and Christians to do all the work that the noble muslims don’t want to do.

They are asking for a declaration from the hindus that they will return. The reason could also be that they intend to quickly take over and auction the Hindu properties to Muslims if they fail to return. This way the Muslims can have their cake and eat it too, as usual and as everywhere else.

An unnamed Hindu man from Quetta:

unnamed - Tells you all you need to know about these people; Anybody could have fabricated that line.

I tell ya - I am sick of this type of hype. A balanced society needs all types of people in it - little and the not so little.

As long as the understanding is there - what's the problem.

Ladies and gentlemen

observe the sly, horrible, sneering, Hindu-hating Mohammedan.

It just can't bear the thought that those whom it regards as its rightful allah-appointed slaves - as a combination of chew-toy/ sex-troy/ punching bag/ scapegoat/ milch cow/ and thing to kill when 'allah' gets hungry for human blood - might **get away**.

All the non-Muslims in Pakistan would be better off if they left and went to India.

And India would be far, far better off today if every last Mohammedan had been evicted from India in 1947. *Every single one*.

One thing we must understand:This is Arab Islam,not Islam. So now question arises-what is Islam or Real Islam?
The pre-Arab great ancient tradition of non-arab Islam of non-Arab Asia, is the Real Islam.It is not Koranic but Vedic and its language is Sanskrit, not Arabic.(Sanskrit-the old classical language of the East).
We have to view and analyse Arab Islam in its frame or canvas which is the Desert.Beyond it, Arab Islam is sheer Imperialism.
Arab Islam spread over large parts of the globe because of the politico/military factor. But Hindu India challenged it and did not surrender.In spite of total military/political collapse and so many years of brutal tyrannical rule, Hindu India could not be destroyed. They tried their best to uproot and destroy Hindu India but failed.This is the greatest wonder of India.Otherwise India would have also become 100% Islamized like Iran/Egypt or Syria.
Real Islam is not Arab Islam. Real Islam is India's old religious tradition which I love to call as the Hindu Islam and AfPak area (today's theatre of war against terror)is its place of birth.Just dig up there, and you will find the old stream flowing beneath the surface of the Mother Earth.
Pakistan which is India in fact, is the net-result or product of Medieval anti-Indian Arab/Muslim Imperialism.The Indian province of Punjab remained under Muslim domination for quite long.Large number of people became Muslim there.So it became Pakistan. Same thing happened in the eastern part of India- in Bengal also.So one Pakistan had come into being there also. But that has ended now. They have renounced the word Pakistan also and returned to the original name of Bangladesh.Pakistan should follow them if it wants to come out of the hole in which it has fallen.
We should not get lost into wilderness-we must differentiate between Islam and Arab Islam.The Arab claim that their Islam is the ONLY TRUE ISLAM cannot be accepted.But then everybody does this for his own sake.Arab Islam is "for the Arab,by the Arab,of the Arab".
The old ancient religious tradition of Hindu India is the Real Dharmic tradition (the Hindu Islam) which predates all
other traditions.It may be called the non-Arab tradition of non-Arab Asia (ie Hindu Asia).If somebody ha sobjection for the Hindu word, he can call it non-Arab Islam also. The non-Arab factor is the crucial one.

Dear readers.....

....and, LO!....who's the first to shriek racism. prejudice, profiling, apply "lawfare" demand "rights" and accommodations......here in Northern Virginia-istan, Dearborn istan and Murfreesboro, Tennessee...

Keep this in mind when you're feeling ecumenical and "fair".

I am sorry but to all mustlims..

Hey if you so hate all the infidels
If you so hate all christians, hindus, jews, and whatever

Why dont you just let all non muslims LEAVE?

then all you muslims can sit in your caves
with your diaper around you head..
Chanting and blowing yourselves up as much as you want?

I mean hey
You hate technology (ok fine) we seperate
You hate Jesus, christians (ok fine) we seperate
You hate Jews and Israel (ok fine) we seperate
You hate freedom and the USAQ (ok fine) we seperate

As far as i am concerned if all muslims wish to follow their perverted leader mohammed to hell (go ahead).
I wont miss you..
We will repent of our sins and clean up our country..
While you all can sit in your caves filthy and dirty
holding your vile koran and chanting with your women all covered in a burka..

Go ahead we dont care..
I think we should kick out all muslims period
Not allow one entry into the usa..
And then just let you all rot in your caves..

Muslims are not worth one americans life.
The only reason we are there still is we know
as soon as we leave you idiots will let the taliban back in and we know that you will begin to build bases again to bomb us..

Personally i think the next time the west is attacked we should nuke every muslim holy place and level it until they are all a radioactive slag pile of molten rock..

But in america (unlike all muslims) we have a moral problem with genocide.. so i doubt we would go that far, unless your stupid enough to nuke us.. then baby its gloves off..

We will FRY you..

So i suggest we just seperate

you go to your caves and we will stay in our homes..
But dont complain that you dont have any technology or modern conviences while your sitting in your cave holding your koran..

Remember its you bed , you sleep in it..

Hindus and Sikhs are suffering a lot under Pak's islamic rule, so why shouldn't they want to migrate to India where their wives and daughters would be safe?
In fact, they must migrate. But the sad part is that they lose all that they have worked for. Their land and homes will be sold at a pittance of their true value to some muslim goon who will rub his hands gleefully at the windfall coming to him by raping his Hindu neighbour's daughter/wife.
Sadly, the Indian government doesn't welcome them with open arms.
The Hindus suffer another shock when they come here. The Indian government is apathetic to their troubles and tries to send them back to Pakistan.

....this might be an appropriate place to point out that the European Colonial History in all of that vast Asian land mass with all its interlocking complexities which is so fundamental to even a skimming-knowlwdge of that troublesome area....is largely beyond the attention spans of us Americans here in the 21st century.

We Americans are easily baffled when our interventions...mind you desperately needed and desperately sought-after interventions by the suffering citizens on-the-ground.....so often backfire.

That's why in an earlier post said, "You're welcome, World". I'm personally fed up after being (personally) a micro-part of the Cold War for about twelve years overseas. They can take care of themselves now, so long as we're not expected to provide more of our young blood and bales upon bales of cash....fight over there rather than here at home.

That horrible morning in September of 2001 has not seemed to be the wake-up call it should've been.....I remember Pear harbor...believe it or not....and I'm stunned right now at our politically correct passivity.

We need to heal our domestic wounds.....no one's coming to our aid....are they?

Why expect

.....[somehow omitted] ...why expect Central/West Asians to have any understanding of the American viewpoint?

They couldn't care less about our America other than a place to perhaps make a lot of money.

Simply can't resist this....

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Hear Ye:

Attention All Finance Ministers of All Disgruntled Anti-American Governments Everywhere:

United States Treasury Employees are standing by to accept the return, with interest, of all un-repaid United States monies disbursed to all countries since 1917, be it "Lend lease" or Marshall Plan, or whatever form in which the original transfers were effected, for whatever reason, Natural Disaster Relief Funds Included.

This sensitive American Citizen does not want any reasonable Finance Ministry to be burdened with contaminated United States cash.

As the United States Secretary of State Dean Rusk is said to have muttered when General Charles deGaulle wanted "all Americans out of France", Secy Rusk supposedly mused....does he mean from all of the American Cemeteries also?"

Proclaimed this Twelth Day Of August, A.D. 2012.
By:

United States Taxpaying Citizen Charles Griffith

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American's have traded God's protection and bounty for on demand abortion and open homo conduct. What is happening now is but a taste of the horror to come. The Bible provided the way to live and men have spit on it. We vote into office criminals that lie, cheat and steal and when discovered we re-elect them. We are getting what we deserve. I am so glad that I understand and know what else is coming and what to do to keep my family safe. May God have mercy on us all and may million's of hearts turn to him during these times. Don't you want to be with your parents and children in the next life?

@Wellington and @Charles Griffith

Thanks for the replies, guys.

I'll second Wellington's comments on racism in America. I've taught Afro-French kids (both Maghrebi and Sub-Saharan in origin) who have commented on how relaxed race relations were--in some parts of the USA with what every conscientious American, Left or Right (like myself) sees as a very ugly history of bigotry. God forgive me, but I felt a kind of nasty satisfaction on hearing such comments, for I'd grown up hearing how Europeans (especially the French) were really soooooooooo much more enlightened than we benighted Americans were about race. Maybe I'm revealing how old I am by saying this.

Charles, I know something about Hong Kong, too. I lived and taught many years in Taiwan and served as a Diplomat in Bangkok and Guangzhou, with numerous Overseas Chinese contacts. In the years just before retrocession, it seemed that every time I visited HK, the place had the White-Sun-Blue-Sky-Field-of-Red Flag of the Republic of China (now just Taiwan) flying everywhere. It struck me as sort of poignant, as if the city were saying, "We're proud of being Chinese and want to be Chinese, but why does it have to be under the !@%&@$%&@$&% Commies?"

When I was in Thailand, others in the diplomatic community used to say that the only good things about Bangkok were that it's medical care was up to date, you could buy anything you wanted, the food was superb, and that some six million Thai people lived there ( a comment on both the hot, muggy climate and congestion on the one hand and the general pleasantness of the host country's people on the other). Older Westerners with long experience in Asia used to say that the peculiar Thai combination of courtesy towards outsiders coupled with a nonetheless very deep-seated self-respect was a great contrast to a lot of countries where Westerners had been colonial overlords. It sort of made me wince.

However, it still struck me that a lot of Thai people tended to look down on ethnic Malays and Khmer (from the far south and the tier of Changwat along the northern border of Cambodia respectively), who, BTW, tended to be somewhat darker in color than the Thai (and a lot of Thai who were unmixed with Chinese blood could also be pretty brown, too).

I've written elsewhere on this blog about Mainland Chinese' nasty attitudes towards Africans and their own frontier minorities (not just Muslims, BTW).

But, the real kicker came when I was in Taiwan back in the 1970's. _Roots_ was being shown on TV, and a close friend of mine used to go to an eatery at night and munch noodles or jiaozi while watching. This friend was something of a Taiwan Independence sort, of Hakka Chinese heritage (the smaller of the two major "native Taiwanese" Han groups, the larger being Hokkien), disliking the Guomindang government and thinking that liberal America was a great beacon, and I watched the latter attitude take body blows as he watched _Roots_. He said to me one day in great dismay, "How can you Americans live with such a thing in your past?"

I asked in reply, "Well, how do you guys live with what you did to the Mountain People?"

My friend replied, "That was for the sake of spreading Chinese civilization."

Other Taiwanese who watched _Roots_ made the observations, "Well, the White People had a culture to protect..." , "I'll bet that those Black People are probably like the native Southeast Asians..." and similar attitudes which, while embarrassing and painful coming from friends, taught my younger self that racism is all over the place.

But, where it told on me was that for most of my life, I'd thought of myself as a Yankee of Great Atlantic Migration heritage whose people generally came to the USA too late to have had anything to do with slavery, and that my great-grandfather's sister who followed him to these shores married a Wisconsin veteran of the Civil War--so I could even claim something of a tenuous connection with those who ended slavery. Hence, I tended to be a little bit inexcusably self-righteous in my attitude towards my southern compatriots. But there, at a noodle shop in Taiwan, I realized that the rest of the world doesn't necessarily see the pieces of our cultural mosaic, but sees only a more generalized picture of our country.

So, maybe my experience was something of getting to see my country as others saw it.

Finally, re Wellington's comments, maybe one reason why I remain an American patriot is because I see my country trying very hard to remove at least some sticks, if not logs, from its collective eye.

@ Mulakush:

Forgive me for the sarcasm I spewed forth in my earlier reply to you. I'm also one who recognizes that my country isn't perfect; and I share your mistrust of both Pakistan and Communist China (you may have guessed the latter from some of my posts). I suppose a lot of us Americans get pretty defensive at foreigners' criticisms of our country. Do you suppose Indians might be similar?

And, if I took India to task for its past relations with the Soviet Union, I'm also aware of my own country's alliance with Stalin during World War II--and Stalin was in many ways as odious as Hitler (and my father, alov hasholom, lost lots of relatives in the Shoah). I've read some of our wartime propaganda, and its fawning attitudes towards Stalin's Russia--which helped start the European war by kissing Hitler over the corpse of Poland--struck me as pretty sickening.

In my religion, we believe that man's capacity for knowledge, justice, and the holy reflects the image of God our Creator. I readily grant that the last hundred years of history worked a lot of unwarranted violence against that divine image.

@ charles griffith & other americans,

your slanging matches with malakush were off the topic.though us sided with pakis during cold war,it was a dream country for hindus then &now! our best brains always landed up in US.[and still aspiring]. Nehru,the mogul descent traitor and commie mole krishna menon annoyed US in all possible ways. this despite US providing massive food aid [PL 480] and offer of nukes against chinks.[chinese]
there are millions of informed indians who like US and its world views. George Bush was more popular in india than any other nation as per a survey by PEW or some reputed agency.
professionals in my city wait 24 hours before US consulate for visa, braving sun & rain!

one day indians will have to be alongside US troops against
islamic fascists!
so pl bear with a few useless idiots ,who never represent the masses!