Pamela Geller: Government argues that Islam is political

In winning this battle, they may lose the war. In "Government argues that Islam is 'political'" in WND today, Pamela Geller gives a blow-by-blow account of a recent hearing in U.S. District Court over pro-freedom bus ads:

What began as a clear First Amendment issue has exploded into a landmark case regarding the status of Islam as a political entity. Last Thursday the Detroit Transit Authority (SMART), a government entity, argued before the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals that my organization’s “Leaving Islam?” ad was political because Islam is political. At least two of the three judges seemed to go along.

If the court rules against us, it will be ruling that Islam is political and that Shariah is a political program – something other government agencies have strenuously denied. If that happens, will Islam and Shariah deserve the protection of a religion?


The case was argued before 6th Circuit Court of Appeals Judges Raymond Kethledge, John Marshall Rogers and Algenon L. Marbley. Chris Hildebrand, the lawyer for Detroit SMART, began by referring to and basing his whole argument on our recent victory over the New York City Metropolitan Transit Authority in another First Amendment case about a completely different ad (a pro-Israel ad). Hildebrand argued that the judge in that case, Paul Engelmayer, had said that that ad was political, and thus that the MTA had to accept it in accord with their guidelines. Hildebrand asserted that our “Leaving Islam?” bus ad, which Detroit SMART rejected, was also political and thus was rightly rejected by SMART, which (in contrast to the MTA) does not take political ads. His client, said Hildebrand, does not reject ads because they’re provocative (as he claimed that ours was), or controversial, but because they’re political, and SMART does not and will not take political positions.

Judge Rogers then told him that he had gotten SMART into a “blurry area” by making a distinction between the political and religious. Hildebrand countered that while the ad may be anti-Islam, anti-Muslim and anti-Shariah (actually it was designed wholly and solely to offer help to people whose lives were threatened), it was also political. Judge Marbley then pointed out that an imam, who would issue a fatwa (referring to the part of our ad that asked, “Is your family threatening you? Is there a fatwa on your head?”) was not an elected official.

Hildebrand then dropped the bomb that has extraordinary implications for the debate about anti-Shariah laws and the status of Islam in the United States: He said that yes, imams have a religious function, but they also “control Shariah law,” and Shariah is political. Marbley said that that might be so in Iran, but not in Detroit, where they had a purely religious function. Hildebrand then dug in even deeper, saying that imams in Dearborn deal with Shariah on both a religious and political basis. When Marbley then asked him how our ad was different from one SMART accepted from an atheist group, calling on people to become atheists, Hildebrand said that it differed because Islam is not only religious, but also a “political series of laws.” Marbley then pointed out that the same thing could be said about the Catholic Church, since the Vatican was a political entity, and that could be used to rule out advertising from Catholic groups. Hildebrand then argued that our ad was both religious and political, and that the reference to a fatwa made it primarily political and not religious – which would only be true if Shariah itself is primarily political and not religious....

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If SMART wins, however, the implications for the status of Islam and Shariah as political will be enormous. Incalculable. SMART may end up winning the battle for Shariah in the U.S., but losing the war.

Please excuse my ignorance - Is that good or bad for US laws? In what way?

If SMART wins, however, the implications for the status of Islam and Shariah as political will be enormous. Incalculable. SMART may end up winning the battle for Shariah in the U.S., but losing the war.

Pamela is just hopeing that is the case. The Court will ruler since the Metro system doesnot allow political adv and her adv is political they donot needed to carry that adv. The Court willnot ruler that Islam is political system at all.

If you want the proof that Sharia is essentially POLITICAL read the account of the case of Youcef Nadarkhani,currently languishing in an Iranian jail,for the "crime" of converting to Christianity.According to the report,the Iranian authorities have cast his Christian activity as “political offenses.”

http://aclj.org/iran/iranian-persecution-christians-imprisoned-faith

http://www.elam.com/articles/Pastor-Farshid-Fathi---Six-year-sentence-upheld/

As is always the case with Sharia,converting to another religion from Islam is seen as an act of TREASON i.e.it is a crime against the (Islamic) State.

Well, speaking as a God-bless-King-Billy Calvinist Christian, my religion is very political, too.

One of the men who gave us the Westminster Confession of Faith back in 1648, Samuel Rutherford, wrote that absolute power in one that can sin (all of us except Jesus Christ) is an "accursed power" (_Lex Rex_, 1644). His book argued that the instruction for the Israelite monarch to rule with a copy of the Torah by his side (Dt. 17) and David's covenanting with the elders of Israel to become king (II Samuel 5) support the political supremacy of law and a place for the consent of the governed--and all this a generation before Locke. John Calvin himself argued that a mixture of aristocracy and democracy would be the best form of government.

While I root for Pamela Geller in this case, I'm wary of the Supreme Court saying that Religion A is political, with the implication that Religion B, which stays tightly cloistered in its ghetto, is not, may be a bad precedent, ruling that whoever holds the reins of government should have no concern for the Word and Will of God.

Face it. Ultimately, the only reason our legislatures can lock a man up for life or kill him for committing murder is because in 1450 B.C. plus-or-minus, God delivered the mitzvah "Thou shalt not murder" (Ex. 20, Dt. 5) to Moses--and, before that, told Noah that one who sheds man's blood shall have his own blood shed (Gn. 9). If we were to demand a purely "secular" test of laws and policies, we'd fall into an utterly unworkable relativism. We would have no basis to say that the Tayal or Iban tribesman of a century ago who believed that a man isn't a man until he's taken a head is wrong.

This is why I believe that trying to make Islam "political" (and hence not covered by the First Amendment Free Exercise Clause) while Judaism and Christianity aren't is a non-starter, and may end up framing mischeif by law.

One gets the impression that the judges and lawyers are pontificating about that of which they have little knowledge.

Islam is both political and religious and a far, far greater threat to the well-being of mankind that Facism and Communism ever were. Or am I being Islamophobic about the 'Religion of Peace' ?

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