Pamela Geller on NBC News: Report on the "Islamorealism" counter jihad ads

O well, the way to make the signs bigger, and get more of them, is for all of us to pass round the hat.

Highway billboards.

Banners on freeway overpasses.

Let's flush the jihadists and their dhimmi enablers right out into the open where they can be seen.

wildjew

There are hundreds of comparisons where truth is offensive to those who get upset over imaginary threats (global warming, islamophobia, Israel defending itself).

Humans by nature avoid confrontation, but I think we are headed for some major skirmishes in the U.S. I am a real estate broker and meet dozens of people every week, and let me say, there are a lot of fed up people in real estate investment, banking, appraisals, inspections, not to mention buyers and sellers.

We just drove from the midwest to New Jersey and saw many, many home-made signs about Obama, Holder, No Mosque (Tennessee) and justice for the Ft. Hood victims. It's coming, brother.

Slamdunk, good comment. I assume you wrote it and were not quoting from somewhere. If so, you should keep writing, maybe get a blog going.

George, you wrote,

And, I'm just guessing here, but I think that deep-down (where he's conveniently buried it) he knows the truth and he's frightened about the prospect for violent reaction--which he knows is always on the table (front and center) with muslims. If he can publicly dissociate himself perhaps he (and the townsfolk for whom he purports to speak) will be spared, so he hopes.

The response of many non-Muslims to the climate of intimidation that is part and parcel of Islam has been well compared to the battered wife syndrome. In part out of terror and fear, the battered wife becomes afraid to look at things straight and to see things as they are, and says, "oh, it's all my fault, I did this wrong, I did that wrong, oh, he didn't mean it, oh, he couldn't help himself, I'm such a bad wife, oh, he won't do it again, oh, he's a good man," etc., etc.

George, yours is an insight into the psychology of dhimmitude -- the Islamic society's use of violence and threats against its non-Muslim members in order to create the terror and fear that can break the non-Muslim's spiritual back, as it were, and make him too afraid to see or speak about his tormentors as they actually are. After a while, that spiritual submissiveness, that surrender to the terror and violence by which the tormentor traumatizes the dhimmi mind into submission, becomes so habitual for dhimmis in the Arab world that many of them tend to lose sight of the slavishness of their political views in that world, not to mention the slavishness of many of their own ideas and spiritual states. Muslim "reformers" in the Middle East very frequently show signs of the same terrorized compromising -- they rarely if ever criticize Islam itself or Muhammad himself -- far too dangerous -- instead, they criticize the various barbaric social practices around them, while loudly pretending that none of those practices originated with Islam or are really Islamic. Yet we know through perusal of the core Islamic texts, and the earliest Muslim biographies of Muhammad, and Islam's history up to the present, that Islam and Islamic doctrine are inherently totalitarian, as Bernard Lewis pointed out .

wildjew | August 16, 2012 6:52 PM | Reply

Since the 9/11 attacks, George W. Bush and now Barack Hussein Obama have lied to the American people, assuring us Islam is a religion of peace and love. Is that what Americans want? Do the Americans want to be lied to? That is what Isaiah wrote about the people in his day. They did not want to hear the truth. They liked hearing comforting words from lying, false prophets.

wildjew,

Please stop lumping "W" and Barry Hussein
into the same liars club.

THERE IS NO COMPARISON BETWEEN THIS GUY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7OCgMPX2mE

AND THIS GUY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

... have a cup of coffee; calm down, and get a sense of perspective, ok?

Paleologos, you wrote:

THERE IS NO COMPARISON BETWEEN THIS GUY:

Bush

AND THIS GUY:

Obama

... have a cup of coffee; calm down, and get a sense of perspective, ok?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Paleologos, I am fixing my coffee ok? I'm not big into comparisons between a guy I placed my trust and confidence in when I voted for him and a guy I did not vote for. I did NOT vote for Barack Hussein Obama. Obama is not my president. I voted for Bush. Meanwhile how about contemplating and explain the following:

1) September 17, 2001

"Islam is Peace" Says President
Remarks by the President at ISLAMIC Center of Washington, D.C.
Washington, D.C.

View the President's Remarks
Listen to the President's Remarks

3:12 P.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all very much for your hospitality. We've just had a -- wide-ranging discussions on the matter at hand. Like the good folks standing with me, the American people were appalled and outraged at last Tuesday's attacks. And so were Muslims all across the world. Both Americans and Muslim friends and citizens, tax-paying citizens, and Muslims in nations were just appalled and could not believe what we saw on our TV screens.

These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that.

The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself: In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.

"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.....

2) Following is the full text of President Bush's address to a joint session of Congress and the nation.
September 20, 2001

The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics; a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam.....

I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world.
We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah....

(APPLAUSE)

The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself....

The differences are:

1. One guy (Bush) is an idiot who genuinely believes in that nonsense because of his ignorance of the religion. He is not alone in this misconception, millions others share this belief.

The other guy Obama, knows this is misconception is a lie and promotes it.

2. One guy though an idiot is genuinely an American patriot. He does whatever he thinks is best for America. His loyalty is not in doubt. He is not a double agent.

The other guy - you judge for yourself whether he is a patriot or not.

The differences are:

1. One guy (Bush) is an idiot who genuinely believes in that nonsense because of his ignorance of the religion. He is not alone in this misconception, millions others share this belief.

The other guy Obama, knows this is misconception is a lie and promotes it.

2. One guy though an idiot is genuinely an American patriot. He does whatever he thinks is best for America. His loyalty is not in doubt. He is not a double agent.

The other guy - you judge for yourself whether he is a patriot or not.

I am inclined to agree that knows this Bush's "Islam is peace" meme is a lie and promotes it anyway.

I don't agree with your view that Bush is "an idiot who genuinely believes in that nonsense because of his ignorance of the religion."

If Bush was and is that much of an idiot, why would he seek the highest office in the land in the first instance? If Bush is an idiot then you have to believe all the conservatives (the vast majority of the conservative movement) that knowingly placed their faith and trust in President Bush for eight years is full of idiots. Maybe we are full of idiots on the right. Nor do I buy your view that the "One guy though an idiot is genuinely an American patriot." Patriots do not provide aid and comfort to the enemy.

Correction: I am inclined to agree that Obama knows this Bush's "Islam is peace" meme is a lie and promotes it anyway.

darmanad, you wrote: "If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. You and those who voted for Bush caused the mess our country is in. Obama inherited it and is trying to cope. His efficiency may be questioned, but not his honesty. Bush and Cheney (Cheney and puppet Bush, more accurately) were corrupt liars who instituted a foreign policy that has dragged down the US. They knowingly lied the US into a war in part because of the thirst for oil, in part because of a daddy-complex, in part because of a bullshit religious vision.

Those who voted Bush into office should be remorseful as hell...."

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I was and am remorseful as hell. I agree with you, Bush (along with his loyal supporters) in large measure caused this mess we are in. By mess I am referring to this very dangerous Muslim-born (crypto-Marxist) president; America's worst nightmare. Having read virtually everything I could about Obama before the November 2008 election, I knew he was dangerous, but I did not have a clue how dangerous and destructive Obama would be. So yes, when the right goes off kilter in its support for a leader who repeatedly lies to the public about our enemy, who gives aid and comfort to the enemy, what we get is Barack Hussein Obama.

"The risk that some Muslims might destroy a nuclear power plant was enough for Paul Feiner to argue that it should be closed down before it was destroyed by Muslims themselves."

What a complete fool! There's also a risk that Moslems might destroy the Metro-North rail line, too. So according to Feiner, that should be shut down. And they might destroy the Tappan Zee bridge, so better shut that down before they do. And maybe they'll attack Westchester Community College, so that should be shut down as well. And, and, and,.... Better shut down everything before the Moslems destroy them.

"... amplified 19,000 times ..."

Just to clarify, that figure of 19,000 (now up to 19,450) is the number of attacks. But the attacks average 4.5 to 5 fatalities per attack, so the total number murdered is about 100,000.

exactly why do you think that RS movement is failing?
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"If Bush was and is that much of an idiot, why would he seek the highest office in the land in the first instance?"

There are various types of intelligence. A person can be politically astute yet an idiot in other intelligences.

Do idiots not seek political office, including the highest one? Are all politicians intellectual giants? Can you not think of any politician who might be deficient in intelligence? This guy also has born again Christian beliefs. He has an unshakeable belief that his invasion of Iraq was right and approved and sanctioned by God.

What about Muslim politicians? Are they also all very intelligent? Morsi? Ahmadinejad? etc. They genuinely believe in their religion too, that it is right and righteous and Jews should be killed to bring on the Judgement day.

"If Bush is an idiot then you have to believe all the conservatives (the vast majority of the conservative movement) that knowingly placed their faith and trust in President Bush for eight years is full of idiots."

So your argument is "the vast majority of the conservative movement" are not idiots, but very intelligent people. They have "knowingly placed their faith and trust in President Bush", knowing full well that he is a traitor. They are thus not gullible idiots but intelligent traitors.

The world is full of idiots. I wouldnt quite classify you as an Einstein either.

And you are not the only patriot in America, who can judge all others by your exclusive definition of patriotism.

"If Bush was and is that much of an idiot, why would he seek the highest office in the land in the first instance?"

There are various types of intelligence. A person can be politically astute yet an idiot in other intelligences.

Do idiots not seek political office, including the highest one? Are all politicians intellectual giants? Can you not think of any politician who might be deficient in intelligence? This guy also has born again Christian beliefs. He has an unshakeable belief that his invasion of Iraq was right and approved and sanctioned by God.

What about Muslim politicians? Are they also all very intelligent? Morsi? Ahmadinejad? etc. They genuinely believe in their religion too, that it is right and righteous and Jews should be killed to bring on the Judgement day.

"If Bush is an idiot then you have to believe all the conservatives (the vast majority of the conservative movement) that knowingly placed their faith and trust in President Bush for eight years is full of idiots."

So your argument is "the vast majority of the conservative movement" are not idiots, but very intelligent people. They have "knowingly placed their faith and trust in President Bush", knowing full well that he is a traitor. They are thus not gullible idiots but intelligent traitors.

The world is full of idiots. I wouldnt quite classify you as an Einstein either.

And you are not the only patriot in America, who can judge all others by your exclusive definition of patriotism.

Fear is certainly one important factor in explaining proto-dhimmitude; but it only reasonably explains it broadly when Muslims have sufficient power over the people they are terrorizing.

In a broad and complex situation where you have staggeringly disproportionate power dynamics -- as we have in the modern West, where Westerners are de facto stupendously more sophisticated and powerful (legally, politically, intellectually and technologically) than Muslims, then fear cannot be the sole, nor even the main, factor explaining why the West exhibits such a broad and deep magnitude of proto-dhimmitude in the presence of such a still relatively minuscule and weak threat.

Another important factor in the equation is the dogma of reverse racism that has developed throughout the modern West in the past half century. Precursors to this dogma existed prior to that time, of course, but the key difference is its escalation to mainstream dominance socially, politically, legally and culturally.

This dogma of reverse racism is the cornerstone of Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism (PC MC), which itself is the reigning unofficial law of the land throughout the West. It reflects a sea change in worldview among nearly all types of people in the West -- those on the Left, those on the Right, those in the Center, those just comfortably apolitical; as well as socially those who are "Elites" and those who are Ordinary People (and the many gradations between these two quaintly archaic polarities).

This dogma of reverse racism is an irrational deformation of a good virtue. It has two main parts:

1) irrationally excessive respect for the Other

2) irrationally excessive self-criticism of the West.

Both stem from good virtues:

1) an interest in transcending tribalism toward universalism, and an interest in other cultures and in broadening ethics and love to all humans, not just those in the in-group

2) healthy self-criticism, which is the mark of an individual and of a society that can progress most creatively and productively.

Needless to say, it is at the very least an insult to those virtues to twist them into their irrational forms, as the West has been doing so earnestly and assiduously -- and it becomes more than a mere indulgence in irrationality when it has the effect of endangering the lives of our citizens on a broad scale, in the name, moreover, of respecting an ideology that is diametrically opposed to most of our ethics and liberal values.

Miriam (what a lovely name),
I didn't say the anti-jihad movement was failing. I said it was failing to get better traction because... this site and the movement in general has been diluted (sidetracked) with contentious, often vacuous, political analyses. The all too common political mudslinging that goes on here marginalizes the movement and alienates many mainstream people who might otherwise become critics of Islamic ideology. There should be a lot more Eric Allen Bells.

The immutable truth about the Islamic belief system is that it is homophobic, misogynistic, supremacist and contrary to the western democratic ideals of separation of church and state, freedom of speech and freedom of conscience. The right v left schism that RS and some similarly minded freedom fighters promote is a bad strategy for winning the struggle against Islamic jihad and worldwide influence. This politicking that so often occurs here is largely irrelevant to the core purpose of the movement which is to enlighten the masses about the true tenets of Islam, to stop the spread of Islamic governance and influence, and ultimately to reform Islamic law and governance where it already exists. And in that process hopefully benefit an end to the mideast war that will allow Israel a fair shake.

Why does the movement need to get mired in political mudslinging when all it needs to do raise the consciousness of the masses is simply recite the truth about Islamic ideology and point out the manifestation of Islamic human and civil rights abuses when and wherever they occur.

That is my point.

wildjew,

When I look at "W", who had the misfortune of having 911 reign down on his head in his first term, and barry hussein who is a community organizer, pos POTUS, (illegally elected to that office), there simply is just no comparing the two.

No one has answered Donald Trump's simple question, "If barry hussein was born in Hawaii, why hasn't anybody come forward, and said something like, 'Oh yeah ... I remember when little barrack was knee high to a grasshopper.'"

The answer is that little barry hussein is a Kenyan born muslim who FAILS the natural born citizen requirement to be POTUS.

The last, best hope to have that situation rectified in the US legal system died here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21808122/Judge-Carter-Ruling-on-MTD

I might add that California has one of the most corrupt legal systems in the country.

So, again, I implore you to stop throwing "W" into the halal fecal wastes that accumulate in the porta potties at your nearest local mosque, and concentrate on "How the hell did we elect a godamn muslim to POTUS?"

I understand your point, darmand, about the need to build bridges between the Left and Right to present a more formdiable front to Islam, but the fact of the matter is that loads of Leftists out there are actually strong allies of jihadists, apologists par excellence, and very few on the Left really "get" Islam. Indeed, Leftists aplenty throughout the West demonize people like Pamela Geller, Geert Wilders and Robert Spencer with a venom which is quite poisonous. This is just the way it is and I don't think being nice to Leftists is a way to turn this enormous stupidity by Leftists around.

Now, there are many on the Right who still don't get Islam, but almost everyone that does can be found on the right side of the political spectrum. Can you name for me a single Democrat who has indicated, as so many Republicans have, that Islam has many troubling doctrines in it that are a menace to freedom and other good things? And even if you could name one or two it would still not negate my overall point here and that is that the Left is profoundly wrong on the matter of Islam. And so it's the fault of the Left and not those who criticize the Left for their extraordinary ignorance. In fact, to some extent, you're blaming the victim, victims like Geller, Wilders and Spencer, who have been viciously attacked not only by Muslims but by Leftists too.

I see what you are trying to say. I came to the US from Iran when I was around 19 years old, one thing I have learned about our system of government here regardless of who is in the office is that our system is not based on democaracy, but is based on bribery. who ever gives more gets more. I haapee to think bboth obama and bush are and were disastreous to say the least. however wellington's post bekow has some truth to it as there are more people in the right questioning islam than there are people in the left. I do not see RS being political here and I do see this site as an educational forum. most everything posted here by robert is telling everyone what Islam is all about. I have not been able to find any other sites that are as information based/awarness based than this site.
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Notice you are taking my name in vain again you brainless cretin.

You are the same imbecile who said (paraphrasing) - I have thought of a great Romney slogan to ensure his victory against Obama "Obama is so abysmally bad, even Romney manages, just barely, to be marginally better. Vote Romney!"

The slogan is verbatim the one you gave.

Why the hell must I comment on every F@#K*&G thing you want me to comment on you piece of crap?

You are a coward who probably in real life if confronted by a Muslim would shit in his pants and scream - I believe in Allah and testify Muhammad is his prophet.

Just shut up about me, put your tail between your legs and remain in the toilet where you belong.

traeh, who do you think I am... Fareed Zakaria? :)

@ Paleologos,

".. Obama inherited it and is trying to cope. His efficiency may be questioned, but not his honesty."
... darmanad

darmanad ... I question greatly barry hussein's honesty. I believe he is in the POTUS office illegally, was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya Africa, is a muslim, and FAILS the natural born citizen requirement. That is my belief. Now you please tell me why I cannot question his honesy.

Bush and Cheney (Cheney and puppet Bush, more accurately) were corrupt liars who instituted a foreign policy that has dragged down the US. They knowingly lied the US into a war in part because of the thirst for oil, in part because of a daddy-complex, in part because of a bullshit religious vision. ... daramand

darmanad, the fact is that this country, with its vast coal, gas and oil reserves, should be independent of arab/muslim oil. Your thirst for oil argument is baseless. There is so much oil in the Gulf of Mexico, it is literaly bubbling through the ocean floor in places. We have more natural gas capability than any other country on planet earth. We know how to get shale oil. We are not drilling in Alaska as aggressively as we should, and Gulf of Mexico drilling has been brought to a standstill ... all because of barry hussein. He also stopped the Canada to US pipeline ... why?

Those who voted Bush into office should be remorseful as hell. They should not be bragging about what a virtuous stand up, have-a-beer-with-him guy he was. It was his disastrous foreign policy and taxbreaks for the rich (which comboned to turn a budget surplus into a crippling deficit) that will ensure his administration will go down in history as the worst this country has had to suffer. ... darmanad

darmanad, Bush had 911 happen on his watch, not because of foreign policy failures, but because islam is once again trying to take over the world. He fought 2 wars, and did spend too much.

barry hussein has racked up as much debt in one term as Bush did in two terms, and is spending us into becoming a banana republic.

Try getting a decent education before you litter these pages with your nonsensical mental musings because you and those who purport to engage in political analyses are hurting the anti-jihad movement. It would be laughable if it were not so tragic. ... daramanad

I challenge you to refute anything I have stated on this web site with the facts. Until then, I will go with my mental musings over your typical slogan laden, left wing baloney.

Wendy Chamberlain, American Ambassador to Pakistan under President George Bush, as she visits a madrassa , an Islamic school: “My objective here is to explain America to Pakistan and Pakistans to Americans. Elsewhere, schools like this one have been fronts for terrorists. In some of these madrassas’ it’s not as much religious education as political indoctrination. These were the recruiting grounds for the Taliban. To think that these extremist groups have the audacity to say that they commit terrorism in the name of Islam is just wrong; that is not Islam, that is not the spirit of Islam. That’s just plain terrorism.”

A couple of weeks later 9/11 happened and the Ambassador came home. …”In a very odd way 9/11 became the vehicle for the solution of a lot of our problems with Pakistan” she says (plus millions of dollars in aide to Pakistan).

Hence, the "War on Terror" decoupled from Islam ideology which seems to have been promoted in advance of 9/11. Who was advising President Bush to understand Islam in this way and then disseminated this to the American people (did Bush have an Islamic scholar like Spencer at hand? I doubt it)and to what intent? Muslim Obama usurped President Bushs' original intent?

Regardless, I wish President Bush and Laura Bush all the best in Dallas with their new Center and I think they are light years away from the present occupants of the White House.

Ebonystone wrote, replying to logdon:

"... amplified 19,000 times ..."

Just to clarify, that figure of 19,000 (now up to 19,450) is the number of attacks. But the attacks average 4.5 to 5 fatalities per attack, so the total number murdered is about 100,000.
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*Very* important point, Ebonystone—and one that is key to keep in mind—most of these attacks have multiple casualties.

Rich wrote, replying to wildjew:

The world is full of idiots. I wouldnt quite classify you as an Einstein either.
...

Rich wrote, replying to LemonLime:

Notice you are taking my name in vain again you brainless cretin.
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And a day or two ago, you implied that Wellington was suffering from Alzheimer's disease due to his allegedly advanced age.

This is *completely uncalled for*. These are all excellent posters, whose comments are well worth reading.

If you disagree with someone's position on some issue, fine—make your case.

But these ugly ad hominem attacks are just nasty, and reflect much more negatively on yourself than on your targets.

I would advise counting to ten before you push "Publish".

Have you read what Lemon lime wrote about me? Why is he so concerned about which threads I comment on or not?

And about lumping me with people I dont know and saying "man what a sorry bunch", totally unsolicited and out of the blue? Is that not an ad hominem attack? And moreover appropos nothing. Merely the fact that I have not commented on the threads he would have wished me to.

How come you have not thought anything amiss about that?

Do you have an old boys network here where you slap each other's back and criticise anyone else who dares to comment here, at will?

PS Re: my comment to wildjew have you read the substance of what I wrote? Does my reasoning make sense to you?

PS Re: my comment to wildjew have you read the substance of what I wrote? Does my reasoning make sense to you?

"*Very* important point, Ebonystone—and one that is key to keep in mind—most of these attacks have multiple casualties."

Also important to note is that the jihadists usually (if not always) intended to kill more than circumstances permitted -- as with Major Hasan, who could have murdered dozens more if someone hadn't shot him.

This is closely related and analogous to the reasonable assumption that a planned, but failed, terror attack counts every bit as much as a successful one, in terms of informing us of the deadly-serious fanaticism of the enemy. Thus, that list of terror attacks should include the likely thousands of failed attempts and still-born ones.