More on how the Right abandoned the jihad

Since it is the topic of so much discussion, I thought I would post the email in which the man behind Weasel Zippers asked me to stop linking him (it was an email, not a phone conversation). I received this email from Zip on August 17, 2011:

This is off the record:

I've read and re-read all of this Perry is a fifth-columnist stuff Pamela is writing that originated with Salon and to be honest, it sickens me. There way too much guilt by association to take it even remotely seriously.

I need to ask you and your writers to stop hat-tipping my site because more often than not she uses the same tip (usually cut and pasted directly onto Atlas Shrugs) and I don't want to be associated with her in the slightest.

It's nothing personal with you, I've always and still do respect you but she has gone too far with this one.

This is alienating a lot of people besides myself.

I responded:

Oh, how ridiculous.

Answers to the evidence she has presented? Why, no. Of course not.

You want me to delink you also? Hey, no problem. Just say the word.

Alienating a lot of people that we cannot even have a discussion about Perry? Why, yes, you have done that.

The exchange degenerated from there, until finally Zip wrote me this:

What's it like being a smart guy playing second-fiddle to an illiterate attention whore?

I'm told that the man posting as WM at IOTW is the same man who was the Jihad Watch tech man for a considerable time; he even designed the present site, although he stopped answering my emails or doing any work on the site quite some time ago, around the time he started doing extensive work for Weasel Zippers.

I called him about this controversy a couple of days ago. He told me that Zip's policy was to report on jihad outside the U.S., but to ignore the stealth jihad, creeping Sharia, and most jihad plotting inside the U.S., as he wanted to attract advertisers and make a living off his blog, and didn't want to be associated with Pamela Geller and me, so as to avoid the taint of the Norway killings -- he is the only person outside of Leftists and Islamic supremacists who seriously thinks we are responsible for that evil madman's actions.

He also told me that Weasel Zippers was not hacked, but that he himself had recently fallen out with Zip after Zip had failed to pay him the amount they had agreed upon for his extensive work on that site. He consulted a lawyer, he said, and removed all the design elements and other things he had added to the site, rendering it inoperative -- on the same day that Pamela posted her original piece about the Right abandoning the jihad. A coincidence, I'm sure.

I am not sure how much of what he told me is true, or to what extent it is true, as he himself has not been fully honest with me about his long disappearance and non-responsiveness to my numerous requests for technical help (for which I did pay him). But if any of this is true, it certainly illuminates much of Zip's current stance and the situation in general.

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'What's it like being a smart guy playing second-fiddle to an illiterate attention whore'?

How ridiculous!

Pamela is smart, erudite, legally literate and passionate. The two of you make a formidable team both likeable in equal measure and both bringing individual talents to the counter jihad.

This is not the first time I've heard slander against her by so called allies and I'll not mention names but suffice it to say my visits to the pertinent site are now zero as is my email correspondence.

Sure Pamela represents another side of the coin and rather than pretend academic she offers vitality and a ground level knowledge second to none.

I know how long it takes to write and research pieces such as hers and her work ethic is phenomenal.

To put oneself into a position such as hers takes guts a few of our so called academics and political leaders could borrow from.

And without over gushing, her work on the Rauf/GZ Mosque slice of Islamic chicanery should be regarded as text book. It worked which in our present atmosphere of complete insanity has to be a crowning achievement.

Keep it up.

Well, Pamela Geller does cast aspersions a little too far with her saying that Rick Perry is a 5th Columnist. To suggest that this man is somehow aligned and sympathetic to people who hope to undermine America is ridiculous. I wouldn't expect Zippers to offer any evidence as to the contrary as Pamela hasn't shown any hard evidence that Rick Perry is what she says he is.

Do you, Robert, think you need to show any evidence that you were not responsible for the Norway murders? No, of course not.

Pamela has been and will continue to be a shrill voice against Sharia, Islamization, and Jihad. She sometimes has valid points and sometimes she throws out accusations that would make Harry Reid envious that he hadn't thought of them.

Weasel shouldn't have asked you to be de-linked from your site, he should have pointed out her own errors in judgment and let the chips fall where they may.

I stopped reading Pamela when she started saying that Pollard should be released. Any true American would want to see this scumbag rot in jail for the rest of his life for the secrets he let slip. I pointed out that he should be shot for his crimes on her site and she subsequently removed my comments. Well, I removed her from my blog reading list.

This is what Weasel should have done.

P.S. I don't believe that Pamela is illiterate, she's just a really bad speller.

"That is headline hyperbole that Perry's defenders seized upon because it was easier to refute than the actual evidence."

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/08/pamela-geller-wnd-rick-perry-.html

Who wrote this headline hyperbole anyway?

Of course Perry's defenders responded to it, as it is completely false and offers absolutely no evidence to support it other than guilt-by-association. You, Robert, should know better than that as you have been on the receiving end of many guilt-by-association attacks.

Headline hyperbole. Give me a break. You would have called this libel if the same remarks were made about you.

What exactly do my comments about Pollard reveal about me?

That I believe, as many people do, that he was a spy and traitor to this country and he deserves a much stiffer penalty than the one he received? I would love to hear what you have to say.

Weasel zips comments amount to BS. Anti-jihad is not just posting material on our web sites to educate the masses. Its getting out there and speaking in front of them. Traveling the world to get the message out. Thats the true anti-jihad.
Thats Spencer and Geller.

Perry was only make Textbook more accurate about Islam than the role it play in History of the world. They never when I was in Hight School taught about how than muslum army of 40,000 defeated than army of 250,000 Rome and they allies in a six day battle. By wining this Battle the Muslum gain control of Syria. The Rome it they won this battle would have destory Islam.

‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’ Jesus Christ

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/08/03/the-reality-of-jesus-in-mauritania/#ixzz22V93hXGX

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"Well, Pamela Geller does cast aspersions a little too far with her saying that Rick Perry is a 5th Columnist."

I have found no indications that Geller meant that literally, but rather that Perry, through his associations with and support for Norquist and the Aga Khan was effectively de facto a 5th columnist. In one article on Perry, she reproduces some helpful information from a reader, then ends that excerpt with a quote from that reader, and adds no corrective to indicate that she thinks something more sinister is going on with Perry:

I'm willing to grant Gov. Perry the benefit of the doubt and believe that his actions are the product of naiveté and ignorance, rather than actual hostility to the West. However, his ignorance is inexcusable, and the damage he has done is immense. If Barack Obama had imposed such a curriculum on schools we'd be calling for his impeachment. Therefore it is unconscionable to look the other way when it comes to Perry. In my opinion, not only should Perry not be President, he should be impeached from the Texas governorship.

Just because Perry is a Texan and a "conservative" doesn't make him immune to spasms of dhimmitude (based no doubt on his perfectly normal belief -- even among the majority of conservatives throughout the West -- that there exist multitudes of peaceful productive Muslims whom we must coddle and support, lest we seem to be "hateful" and "bigoted"). Geller performed invaluably exhaustive and detailed work exposing that Texas curriculum -- which Perry supported -- for its thoroughly Islamophiliac agenda.

If Perry wasn't consciously malevolently a Fifth Columnist, he might as well have been. With friends like these, who needs Stealth Jihadists...?

@Defender:

You wrote: "The Rome it they won this battle would have destory Islam."

I think you meant to say, if the Romans had won the battle they would have destroyed islam. To which my only response can be, TOO BAD the Romans didn't win, then. They would have saved the world a massive amount of death, destruction and heartache.

defendr: it is really hot in NYC today!! so f...off!
M

Still: It is not worse than folks like the Clintons taking Saudi money to lobby -- domestically -- for a pro-Saudi pro-Jihad agenda. It is not worse than Congress and Bush supporting the conversion of 1.5 trillion dollars of purely private home loan risk exposure for bankrupt Fannie Mae into a government guarantee, on behalf of foreign sovereign wealth funds. All things are relative, and the domestic impact of the world wide Jihad cannot be analytically severed. Rick Perry had been prepared to be a Jihadie plant just like anyone listening to Grover Norquist or merely attending CPAC. The devil is in our own house. Perry sounded too dumb to know much of anything, in my opinion. Perfect Jihadie plant.

Money can make folks go stupid; or deaf and dumb. A smart plant might be more expensive, and still unreliable. Obama is completely free.

Will anyone actually contend the Perry was smart? Or that he is not a typical target for Norquist's poison?

Check this out:

Only a few thousand Crusaders DEFEATED 40,000 mohammedans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Malta_(1565)

I'm not sure why a potential advertiser would be OK with anti-jihad/anti-Muslim articles from overseas and graphic war porn showing people being blown to smithereens, but offended by evidence about jihad activities and MB organizations' political influence in the US? Makes absolutely no sense to me. Maybe he'll faze out reporting on jihad altogether after this flap. Proving once again that Geller is right after all.

I do give people the benefit of the doubt, all people are imperfect, but "What's it like being a smart guy playing second-fiddle to an illiterate attention whore?" was an endgame.

Jamadagnii wrote:

"I do give people the benefit of the doubt, all people are imperfect, but "What's it like being a smart guy playing second-fiddle to an illiterate attention whore?" was an endgame."

Indeed. Unless Robert Spencer went out of his way to fabricate an email exchange between him and Zip, which is wholly unproven and unprecedented given Robert's impeccable reputation to date, Zip's email response relegates him to the "bowels" of obscurity, which will most likely follow in short order, just like Charlie of L.oser's G.one F.ishing...

So what is it like being an absolute numbnut playing second fiddle to an illiterate attention seeking whore......priceless,LOL:)

"What's it like being an absolute numbnut playing second fiddle to an illiterate attention seeking whore"......priceless,LOL;):);):);)

"Pamela has been and will continue to be a shrill voice against Sharia, Islamization, and Jihad. She sometimes has valid points and sometimes she throws out accusations that would make Harry Reid envious that he hadn't thought of them."

I didn't even finish reading your comment. When You "throw out" stuff about Geller without so much as a quote to the alleged comment or a link or anything then you stop being relevent right there and then. At least for me. I'm not a pro but when I make comments like that I try to, at least, back it up with something.

"To suggest that this man is somehow aligned and sympathetic to people who hope to undermine America is ridiculous."

I live in Riverside where we have a member of CAIR, Omar Zaki, sitting on the Human Relations Commitee. This guy has had his praises sung by none other than Nihad Awad. (also mentions he served in the military. This might automatically endear you to this guy but personally this detail scares the crap out of me.) If I said that the Riverside City Council "is aligned and sympathetic to people who hope to undermine America" I would be entirely right and accurate. Like the officials in the nearby communities who rubberstamped mosques without doing the due dillegence on their Imams and finances the Mayor and Council of Riverside, who have full knowledge of Omar Zaki and accept this guy without so much as a peek at his bona-fides are totally "sympathetic" to CAIR and what they represent. Our elected officials are like so many dogs laying on their backs with big dumb grins on their faces while these terror fronts rub them on their bellies with the usual words, platitudes and cliches like Culteral Diversity" and "Social Justice".

And the casualness of Cuda, reminds me of two books I'm reading; The Professors and Ivory Towers On Sand. The administrations of our universities bought into these same words and now we have college professors openly calling the victims of 9/11 "little Eichmanns" and saying the thousands pulverized beneath the rubble deserved to die.

The City Council and Police in Dearborn have embraced "culteral diversity" so much They're literally cheering on the same Muslims who ultimately went on to Stone Christian protestors! Happy days Cuda, we've now got our own "Londonistan" right here in America.

Partner, why don't you participate in these forums when you learn to write? It doesn't reflect well on you believe me.

Defender of Islam: Here's a dose of your own illiteracy.

Perry was make Textbook accurate more about Dicksie than the role it played in History of the world. They never when I was in Lowe School taut how than Conphederate army of 100,000 defeated than army of 500,000 Union and they allies in three day battle. By wining this Battle the confedrates gain control of Pensilvania. The Union it they wun this battle would have destoried Dicksey.

My name is Nelson Abdullah, I am a Catholic with a Muslim name I inherited from my father. I write my own blog under the byline, Oldironsides. I count a number of Jewish people as my close friends. I regard Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller as true patriots in the same way that I regard the lady named Bonni (who wishes that her last name not be used) who runs Bare Naked Islam. In fact, I have such high regard for Bonni that I have contributed significant artwork for her web site.

But in spite of all of these associations, we have in the past had our differences. Because I am retired from the airlines after working for Pan Am and Delta for 40 years I have had a strong affection for the moral character of Delta Air Lines. I took exception to the wrongful accusations made against Delta by a Rabbi who had a strong following. That accusation against Delta was based upon someone's interpretation of guilt by association when an airline group allowed Saudi Arabian Airlines to join them. The anti-Islam blogs went haywire with the false rumors that Delta wasn't allowing Jews to fly with them to Saudi Arabia when in fact Delta didn't even fly anywhere to the Middle East. My defense of Delta was roundly condemned by my fellow anti-Islam friends but it did not erase my support for them.

All this points to one issue and that is that we must all set aside our little differences and work together for the higher cause. My first introduction to conservative politics came in the 1960's when I joined the John Birch Society. It was a speech by Robert Welch, the founder, who made that very same argument. We will never find anyone who thinks and agrees with 100% of the same things that we do, but why must we fight each other over the differences. Today we are facing the greatest threat to the survival of our American Republic and some of us are nitpicking the differences between what a Christian believes in and what a Mormon believes in. If we don't start looking at the larger picture then we will lose the battle. And web sites like Jihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs and Bare Naked Islam will be wiped off the Internet.

A ripping good send-up of "Defender." Perfect!

Oldironsides, who says he worked for Delta airlines for 40 years, wrote:

...when in fact Delta didn't even fly anywhere to the Middle East.

I just went through the process of booking various flights on the official Delta Airlines website:

No problems booking a flight from London to Dubai:

http://www.delta.com/booking/findFlights.do#top

Or how about New York (JFK airport) to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia? --

http://www.delta.com/booking/retrieveFlights.do?dispatchMethod=retrieveFlights&hiddenFieldsId=X6XfmGbMeTv95CK&checksum=519828996&tSession=X6XfmGbMeTv95CK&UIStatus=RetrySchdPath&ts=1344102241276#top&UnaPrice=Y

Or how about from Los Angeles to Abu Dabi? --

http://www.delta.com/booking/retrieveFlights.do?dispatchMethod=retrieveFlights&hiddenFieldsId=X6XfmGbMeTv95CK&checksum=791588074&tSession=X6XfmGbMeTv95CK&UIStatus=RetrySchdPath&ts=1344102342293#top&UnaPrice=Y

Now let's try Seattle to Damascus:

http://www.delta.com/booking/retrieveFlights.do?dispatchMethod=retrieveFlights&hiddenFieldsId=X6XfmGbMeTv95CK&checksum=995234400&tSession=X6XfmGbMeTv95CK&UIStatus=P&ts=1344102492474#top

The Clintonesquely finger-wagging denial of Oldironsides bears repeating:

...when in fact Delta didn't even fly anywhere to the Middle East.
...when in fact Delta didn't even fly anywhere to the Middle East.
...when in fact Delta didn't even fly anywhere to the Middle East.
...when in fact Delta didn't even fly anywhere to the Middle East.
...when in fact Delta didn't even fly anywhere to the Middle East.

But you left out one important fact: None of those flights listed were on Delta Airlines aircraft or handled by Delta Airlines. Those listings were all on other airlines. Every airline's web site shows flights to places that airline does not fly to. Here is a story from the Wall Street Journal that tries to explain this.

There have been so many stories running around websites accusing Delta Air Lines of banning Jews from flights to Saudi Arabia that it’s worth clarifying: it’s Saudi Arabia that restricts entry by Jews into its country, not the airline.

Saudi Arabia requires a visa for most foreigners entering its country, and the kingdom denies visas to people who a stamp in their passport from Israel. (When applying for a visa, you send in your passport.) Many believe the strict Islamic nation routinely denies visas to people it believes are Jewish. The Saudi visa application asks you to state your religion.

Without a visa, no airline can board a passenger for a flight to that country. Anytime you fly internationally, your documents get checked by the airline before you board. If a visa is required and you don’t have one, the airline can’t fly you there only to have you sent back.

Delta is entering into a partnership with Saudi Arabian Airlines through its SkyTeam Alliance, beginning next year. Delta planes don’t actually fly there, but Delta customers will be riding on Saudi Arabian through an interline agreement. (They already do that today through a standard interline agreement.) Delta says it won’t code-share with Saudi Arabian — place its flight code on Saudi flights– and won’t offer reciprical frequent flier benefits. Like any airline, Delta can’t board Saudi-bound passengers without a visa.

It would be the same on Lufthansa or British Airways or Air France flights to Riyadh, or for that matter on their U.S. code-sharing partners–United, US Airways or American. Without a visa, American won’t board you for a flight to London if your ticket connects you to Saudi Arabia. In terms of airline policy, there’s nothing new.Here is a story from the Wall Street Journal.

I doubt 'Weasel Zippers' has much credibility or pull anyway due to the childish name. Does this refer to a rodent in someone's pants? I don't get it.

Delta is NOT going to add a bonus to your pension for defending them .
Delta is in bed with Saudi Arabia's airline and it's NOT going to work the way you think.
I understand your loyalty to your Pension,but when it comes to Delta and the Saudis the old cliche'"Take a bath in $#!T,Smell like $#!T" rings true.

Whenever I read about anyone trying to trash Pam Geller or Robert Spencer, I look for exact quotes by them. Rarely find any their critics wishes to argue.
Then I ask myself, how many of these self-righteous critics have worked themselves hard and taken on huge lawsuits just so they can save human lives. I am talking about the lives of helpless muslim women who are in danger of being murdered by their own families.

Pam Geller and Robert Spencer are two brave, righteous people who have saved lives. Human beings walk this earth daily and are free from harm because of the combined efforts of Robert and Pam. Anyone who trashes them want to make this same claim?

"But you left out one important fact: None of those flights listed were on Delta Airlines aircraft or handled by Delta Airlines. Those listings were all on other airlines. "

Granted that this is true, it hardly lets Delta off the hook. Imagine if an airline promoted other airlines that were run by neo-Nazis who had begun a Second Holocaust and had begun mass-murdering millions. Would that airline be absolved of its ethical crime (even treasonous collusion) by the loophole that "none those flights listed were on that airline or aircraft or handled by Delta Airlines. Those listings were all on other airlines"...?

Oh, my analogy has one little flaw: The actual case of supporting Islam (by proxy, by supporting Saudi Arabia, by p promoting airlines supporting Saudi Arabia and other Muslim hellholes) is far, far worse than supporting neo-Nazis who had begun a Second Holocaust and had begun mass-murdering millions.

What kind of camelshit are you trying to pull, Oldironsides? Just now I see an ad while trying to play Tetris: "Fly Delta to Abu Dhabi".

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