"Spencer makes a compelling argument that Muhammad did not exist"

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Here is a new review of my last book, Did Muhammad Exist?: "Did Muhammad Exist? A Book Review," by Dallas M. Roark at Answering Islam:

What a strange question. Everybody assumes that Muhammad existed. Does not Islam affirm his existence? Why would anyone question it? Strangely enough there are many questions about Muhammad, the Qur’an, and the hadiths (traditions) that arose about Muhammad that led some scholars and researchers to the conclusion that Muhammad really did not exist. What is the cause of this doubt?

A recent book by Robert Spencer has the title, Did Muhammad Exist? The book1 is well-researched and deals with many historical issues. He describes the “canonical” story, that is, the common story told by Muslims, of Muhammad and then deals with the problems of supporting the story. The conclusion is that there is little to support the Muslim claims concerning the existence of Muhammad historically....

After pursuing various issues Spencer sums up what we know about the traditional account of Muhammad’s life and the early days of Islam.

  • No record of Muhammad’s reported death in 632 appears until more than a century after that date.
  • A Christian account apparently dating from the mid-630s speaks of an Arab prophet “armed with a sword” who seems to be still alive.
  • The early accounts written by the people the Arabs conquered never mention Islam, Muhammad, or the Qur’an. They call the conquerors “Ishmaelites,” “Saracens,” “Muhajirun,” and “Hagarians” but never “Muslims.”
  • The Arab conquerors, in their coins and inscriptions, don’t mention Islam or the Qur’an for the first six decades of their conquests. Mentions of “Muhammad” are non-specific and on at least two occasions are accompanied by a cross. The word can be used not only as a proper name but also as an honorific.
  • The Qur’an, even by the canonical Muslim account, was not distributed in its present form until the 650’s. Contradicting that standard account is the fact that neither the Arabian nor the Christians and Jews in the region mention the Qur’an until the early eighth century.
  • During the reign of the caliph Muawiya (661-680), the Arabs constructed at least one public building whose inscription was headed by a cross.
  • We begin hearing about Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, and about Islam itself in the 690’s, during the reign of the caliph Abd al-Malik. Coins and inscriptions reflecting Islamic beliefs begin to appear at this time also.
  • Around the same time, Arabic became the predominant written language of the Arabian Empire, supplanting Syriac and Greek.
  • Abd al-Malik claimed, in a passing remark in one hadith, to have collected the Qur’an, contradicting Islamic tradition that the collection was the work of the caliph Uthman forty years earlier.
  • Multiple hadiths report that Hajjaj ibn Yusuf, governor of Iraq during the reign of Abd al-Malik, edited the Qur’an and distributed his new edition to the various Arab-controlled provinces--- again, something Uthman is supposed to have done decades earlier.
  • Even some Islamic traditions maintain that certain common Islamic practices, such as the recitation of the Qur’an during mosque prayers, date from orders of Hajjaj ibn Yusuf, not to the earlier period of Islamic history.
  • In the middle of the eighth century, the Abbasid dynastic supplanted the Umayyad line of Abd al-Malik. The Abbasids charged the Umayyads with impiety on a large scale. In the Abbasid period, biographical material about Mohammed began to proliferate. The first complete biography of the prophet of Islam finally appeared during this era—at least 125 years after the traditional date of his death.
  • The biographical material that emerged situates Muhammad in an area of Arabia that never was the center for trade and pilgrimage that the canonical Islamic account of Islam’s origin depend on it to be. (pp.205-206)

Given these huge problems for the history of Islam, how does Spencer explain the rise of Islam? He proposes the need for a political theology that would reflect Arabic culture, Arabic language, and Arabic religion. When warriors from Arabia encountered the conquered cultures they observed that the Roman empire had a political theology for the purpose of binding the empire together. “The earliest Arab rulers appear to have been adherents of Hagarism, a monotheistic religion centered around Abraham and Ishmael.” (p.208) It was not as anti-Christian as Islam developed later since there were Arab coins with crosses on them. This religious model reached its height in 691 and there began to emerge a defiantly Arabic one....

How will Muslims respond to this book? Some may seek to curse the author. They may respond in outrage. But that will not disprove the facts presented here. Islam is supposed to be a religion based in history. It is supposed to be a religion of reason. But if history will not support the claims of Islam, is it time for Muslims to rethink the legitimacy of Islam? Blind commitment to the teachings of the local imam will not be enough in this age of instant information and verification of facts.

Spencer makes a compelling argument that Muhammad did not exist. One may view the debate between Spencer and David Wood, who affirmed that Muhammad did exist. Wood did not fill in the gaps to make the case for his existence without great doubt. That debate can be viewed here....

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Blind commitment to the teachings of the local imam will not be enough in this age of instant information and verification of facts.

Correct! Infidel technology will trump Islam's dogmatism. The Internet and other instant communication technologies will do for Islam what The Enlightenment did for Christianity and Judaism!

The clowns' days are numbered!

If Muhammad did not exist, then who invented him and why ? How does one explain that the word ilah is Lord, and the ilah of Mecca was Hub'Al [Allah] ? Why would someone [Malik?] 70 years after Mad Moh's death use the Lord of Mecca as the one ? How does one explain the Meccan vs. Medina verses ? Why are there specific Koranic references to killing specific Jewish tribes and crushing Christians in the Arab peninsula ? Why do the Hadiths [written in the 8th century assuredly], discuss Muhammad in such detail including his sex harem and marrying of a 6 year old ?

Muhammad's death is explained in many sources - the Moslems blame a Jewess doctor [unlikely since the Jews had been killed or exiled]. Most likely he was killed by his own men who were sick and tired of his 'revelations'.

If Muhammad and parts of the Koran did not exist in 632 AD why were the Ridda wars so bloody and long lasting after he died ? Surely this was a revolt against totalitarianism by Arabs who laughed at, or were at least oppressed by, Koranic theology and the cult of Mecca.

If he did exist, I wish I had a time machine so I could travel back in time and kill the bastard. Better still, I would make sure he was never even born.

Imagine a world without islam, a world where islam never existed, in any form.

I wonder who, if anyone, is buried in his tomb in Medina?

I am surprised Robert still has not posted his very recent debate with Muslim Adnan Rashid(of the Muslim Debate Initiative) on "Did Muhammad Exist"?

Here is where you can get the link:

"Two Debates in 2012 on “Did Muhammad Exist?”,one between Two Non-Muslims(Wood vs Spencer),and a Muslim and a Non-Muslim(Rashid vs Spencer)"

http://www.antisharia.com/2012/08/18/two-debates-in-2012-on-did-muhammad-existone-between-two-non-muslimswood-vs-spencerand-a-muslim-and-a-non-muslimrashid-vs-spencer/

AND ALSO

"The Saga of Magdi Allam,from Italy’s Most Famous Muslim Intellectual to Christian"

http://www.antisharia.com/2011/03/30/the-saga-of-magdi-allamfrom-italys-most-famous-muslim-intellectual-to-christian/

Robert, you're forgetting a number of Catholic missions to the East in the 13th and early 14th centuries. Admittedly, these weren't to the Moslem East, but to the Mongol East, in the hope of converting the Mongols and gaining a powerful Christian ally on the other side of the Moslem world. The Flemish Franciscan friar, William of Rubruck, was sent to Karakorum in 1253, staying until 1255. And John of Montecorvino reached China in 1294, converted thousands to Catholicism, and was named Archbishop of Peking in 1307.

I made no claim that they did. I was merely mentioning that the Catholic Church was engaged in missionary activity in the East centuries before the Counter-Reformation. Other activity included negotiations with the Nestorian Christians culminating in an entente (ca. 1290) between Pope Nicholas IV and Patriarch Mar Yabalaha.

The question is fascinating for the popular non-academic mind, and of course also a legitimate question for scholarly historiography; but as far as the problem of Muslims goes, it seems either utterly irrelevant, or positively counter-productive, insofar as it flirts -- in yet another way to add to the list of ways already indulged in by many -- with a wildly unrealistic hope for reform among Muslims (whether that reform leads to a better Islam, or to an abandonment of Islam). At best (if indeed this can be seen as good at all), such a question if pressed and disseminated, will only serve to goad Muslims poking-a-stick-in-a-hornet's-nest-wise, and make them even crazier and more dangerous (if that's conceivable) than they already are, for the far likelier reaction they will have is not to open their minds but to dig in with more of that famous river of Egypt (De Nile).

Ebonystone

Indeed - but that one was the fruit of Rabban Sauma's amazing trek from China to Rome (and as far as England) in 1288, no? In other words, that time the emissary came from the east to Rome, not the other way around.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Let us not forget that the 'history' of the Ridda Wars is drawn mostly from al-Tabari and is a rather late source. History written by the victors and significantly long after the events is often subject to distortions, embellishments and outright fabrications. I would speculate that the existing legends about the Ridda Wars stem from internal feuding during the early phase of Arab expansionism - these events were later reworked to fit into the final version of Islam's origins per the Arab Muslims. Always be cautious when reading from a single sided account or isolated sources!

@Lillians777,

It is important to know that the Catholic religion has been corrupted by pagan roman practices and they inserted false teachings that is contradictory to the teachings of Jesus and therefore it is different from Christianity in religious sense. Well, actually, all man-made religions are contradictory to the teachings of God anyway.

Here are the contradictions:

1) Worshiping idols and dead people - This is blasphemy to 1st and 2nd commandment of God. However, Catholic churches are full of statues/images of Jesus and even of Mary and dead saints and Popes. Catholics even pray to these dead people; they're like Necromancers.

2) Calling the Priest as "Father" - Jesus said not to give the title "Father" to any person on earth because it only belongs to our Father in heaven. He also said that the only "High Priest" is himself because the doctrine of man is false and deceiving. However, Catholics call any priest as "Father" and they have so many high priest like the Pope, Bishop, etc. By the way, does people in Jesus' time calls a priest as "Father"? Did Jesus predicted modern Catholicism again?

3) Jesus teaches us not to delight in money - Yet, the pope sits on a golden throne, wearing golden clothes, holding a golden staff, wearing a golden ring, and has private helicopter, big ass church, personal army, etc.

There are many more but I'm not trying to write a book here. Anyway, I just don't want a confusion between Christianity and Catholicism.

@Robert Spencer

Sir, I greatly admire your works. I just want to tell you to keep up the good work and continue to shoot Islam down in flames.

Also, I would really like to read your book Did Muhammad Exist. I can use that book to enlighten some people. However, I do not have the budget to buy the book. Is there any way that I can read it online for free or something like that?

Sorry dim-light I realy do no know where you get your ideas from. I can assure you that RCs do not worship idols or dead people. We do ,however, honour and respect them and in our prayers we often ask for their intercession. Equally statues and such-like are merely an aid to prayer and are not worshipped. As for calling a priest Father ... what do you call your dad if Jesus said the title was only for God. BTW only the Pope is titled Pontifex Maximus.If you choose not to accept the RC church as Christian well thats your opinion but I suspect it is a minority opinion.

Islam Philosphy "Primary based on Arabic translations of Greek Text". The Oxford Companion to Philosphy-edited by Ted Honderich

Thank you for enlightening us on the 'true' nature of Christianity. If you read the NT, you can validate many views of what Christianity is from Catholicism to any strain of Protestantism. You make Jesus into your personal sock puppet - congratulations! He says whatever you want him to say.

Even Protestants have idols - the cross, a very European looking Jesus, and the ever sacrosanct KJV Bible original. By the way the KJV is not the most accurate translation, since it used many Medieval era manuscripts that were riddled with errors. The original KJV also is linguistically cumbersome to most modern English speakers lest you claim expertise in 15th c CE colloquial English speech.

And before you cast any stones at me I write this from the view of one who has been in both Catholic and Protestant faiths.

That said let us not forget our common cause. Islam cares not whether you have a pope or not - it cares about subjugating others who are not Muslim.


"Even Protestants have idols - the cross, a very European looking Jesus, and the ever sacrosanct KJV Bible original"

That's like saying your picture of your mother IS your mother.

Get real.

dewdds:

You call a "European-looking Jesus", the cross, and the KJV Protestant idols. Well, here's to you:

I've seen Asian-looking Jesuses in the Far East.

But, if you bothered to look at the Westminster Larger Catechism (1647), you'd see that the Reformed faith sees a visible representation of any of the three persons of the Holy Trinity as a violation of the Second Commandment. That's one reason I don't have any icons in my home. And, given that the only physical depiction of Jesus we have in the NT is the description of the risen and glorified Jesus found in Revelation 1, in which John, the beloved disciple falls at his feet "as if dead", I can see the point of the Westminster divines. Yes, Duerer's attempt to portray the scene of Revelation 1 was a rather powerful work, but I still don't think it quite does justice to the text.

Further, some of us neither wear a cross nor decorate a building with it.

As for the KJV, what makes you so sure that Codices Alexandrinus, Vaticanus, and Sinaiticus are better than the Aegean-area majority text from which the KJV was translated? It might have been that the only reason those famous three survived is that someone noted they were defective in places, and shunted them off to a corner. Given that most of the NT was written to people in the Asia Minor-Aegean area (Paul's letters to the Cornithians, Galatians, Thessalonians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, First Peter, the Johannine Corpus), it stands to reason that the "Byzantine type text" would probably have a better chance of coming from the urtexten rather than copies from Egypt. And, the only reason Egypt preserved such works and a few papyrus fragments is because it has no water apart from the Nile.

For the record, much as I love the KJV, I have read and used other versions, too. And, I daresay, there are a few places where the KJV is closer to the Hebrew in the Old Testament than the RSV and other modern versions.

And, do you have any respect for the text of Aristotle's _Politics_? Well, it's oldest text is a 12th century Latin translation (that probably came via Arabic, via Syriac, from the original Greek) from Spain. Yes, we have some Greek MSS, but they're later, and brought from Byzantium to Italy after the fall of Constantinople.

Part of the problem with NT textual criticism is that there is a wealth of MSS evidence to work with, which is more than can be said of any piece of ancient literature. I refer you to some of the work of the late F. F. Bruce.

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