Standing in solidarity with the Sikhs

Ignorance thinks (?) anyone with a turban is a Mahoundian...

When I first heard of this attack my first thought was it's a Muslim jihadist suicide by cop attack, given that we know how much Muslims love and respect Sikhs.

How utterly awful this event has been not only for the entirely innocent victims but also, it does not bode well for those involved in exposing the evils of Islam - a completely different religion. Unfortunately the gullible left will use this to help further surrender our God given freedoms to Shari'ah law and Islam - a complete political system that destroys and stagnates whole civilizations.

Great post, Robert.

It was clear in the wake of this tragedy that Muslim organizations will try to exploit it to perpetuate their victim status. We haven't heard much from the likes of CAIR but there is a good chance that it will happen.

It's unfortunate that Americans can't or won't differentiate between Sikhs and Muslims. If it was not for the last Sikh Guru Gobind Singh who started the armed resistance against Muslim/Moghal invader Aurangzeb, the fate of Hindu India would have been much different than what it is now. Sikh gurus were one of the earlier freedom fighters in India against the Islamic rule. Three Sikh gurus were beheaded by Moghals for not converting to Islam, the father of the last Guru Gobind Singh being one of them. The name of the famous Gurudwara(Sikh Temple) in Delhi bears it's name Shish Ganj after his sacrifice as it was the site of beheading and displaying of his head at this location. Talk about the cruelty and brutality of Mulsims and the history is full of it!!

Background reports on Page tell of his hatred for Jews expressed in his skinhead bands' lyrics. Chew on that, Mr. Hooper.

All this atrocity does is empower our Islamist enemies, their allies, and their league of useful idiots (which, unfortunately includes some naive Sikhs) who seek to destroy our way of life.

Race is not and should not be the issue, despite the obvious attempts by our Islamist enemies and their supporters to slander their opponents as "racists" whenever the opportunity presents itself.

The threat all non-Muslims (irrespective of their skin color, physical features, or place of origin) face comes from Islamic supremacist doctrines, which are fundamental tenets of Islam (and not an aberration or "misinterpretation" thereof) and the predatory Jihad mandate (which is also "orthodox" Islam).

The Sikhs have had their own firsthand experience with predatory Jihad and Islamic supremacism, as the exhibits in the Martyr Museum in the holiest Sikh temple in Amritsar attest. Their religion was, in effect, founded by a post-Muhammad prophet (like the Ahmadi sect of Islam and Mormonism), which, in devout Muslim eyes, makes it illegitimate (like all the world's other "systems of belief"). Muslims boiling Sikhs to death, bayonetting pregnant Sikh women in the belly, sawing Sikhs in half from head to groin - these are a few of the images I remember being displayed in the museum.

Unfortunately, some Sikhs have become ignorant of their faith's struggles at the hands of Muslims in and around the Punjab, and the core Islamic doctrines that sanction the persecution of Sikhs and others, for all time. As a result of this tragedy, more Sikhs (and more useful idiots) will now work with Islamist supremacists and thereby advance their nefarious agenda.

When CAIR fesses up to the spewing of Jew-hating bile from all too many Imams in their khutbas, then it might gain some shread of credibility and legitimacy.

Sikhs are wonderful people; my heart goes out to them.

I'm looking for a way to send a message of support to the Oakwood Sikhs. I was at the WI State Fair in West Allis, not too far from Oakwood, when news of the massacre was made known.

I am absolutely appalled at this horrific attack and want that temple to know that us Wisconsinites stand with them and value them as part of our community.

"Sikh Temple Investigated As Domestic Terrorism,
Ft. Hood Shooting Is Still Just 'Work Place Violence'"

http://wizbangblog.com/2012/08/06/sikh-temple-investigated-as-domestic-terrorism-ft-hood-shooting-is-still-just-work-place-violence/

We are with you and we love you.

Greetings:

At the risk of appearing contentious, on last evening's Progressive (née Public) Broadcasting System's "Newhour" program, they interviewed a Sikh spokesman from New York who had gone to Milwaukee to assist in the murders' aftermath. It struck me that his verbal contribution sounded much like a junior varsity version of one of CAIR's "Islamophobia" diatribes, long on the whining and short on the specifics.

Sikhs pose zero threat to the basic liberties guaranteed by the Constitution. They and their belief system are not a problem whatsoever to the American Republic. And may I extend my personal sympathies to the Sikh community here in America for the horrible crime and tragedy which was perpetrated upon a number of Sikhs in Wisconsin by a man who betrayed American principles and America itself by his dastardly actions.

If only Islam were a monotheistic religion of gentleness and peace like Sikhism there would have been no 9/11 and over 19,000 subsequent Koran inspired deaths.

Gunmen have opened fire on an evangelical church during a service in central Nigeria, killing at least 19 people in the latest such attack in the country, on latest updates.

http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/08/07/nigeria-church-attack-kills-19/

Youssef

The long and bloody Islamonazi jihad against the Sikhs: http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/muslim-attacks-on-sikhs-islamic-jihad.html

If this was some mistaken attempt to attack Muslims then the guy couldn't have been more wrong. Sikhism is the direct opposite of Islam in so many ways.

Sikhism holds that there is absolute equality regardless of birth, gender, or office. Islam holds that men are superior to women and muslims to non-muzzies.

Sikhism holds that it is a duty to fight for the oppressed whatever their religion. Islam holds that it is a duty to suppress other religions.

Sikhism holds that no pressure should be put on anyone to convert to another religion. Islam holds that people should be "made to feel subdued" and pay punitive tax or be killed unless they convert.

My heart goes out to my Sikh brothers and sisters at this difficult time. So often non-Muslims from the Middle East and Indian sub-continent who live in the West feel that they are squeezed from both sides - persecuted by Muslims, then blamed by the public for the many muzzie atrocities.

As far as exploiting this atrocity, the most annoying was Piers Morgan on CNN. He just wouldn't let up trying to get his guests to link this to anti-Islam sentiment, despite his guests telling him more than once that the neo-nazi types are obsessed with RACE and hate anyone who isn't white. He is a complete prat, to use a British term.

His only guest willing to go along with him was not surprisingly from the Southern Poverty Law Center.

I think it has to be said that in this day and age, where people share an enormous wealth in information channels, most people seem to have a very flimsy grasp on issues regarding cultural differences, although many claim to be experts all of a sudden on local culture as soon as they've spent a few weeks lying on their lazy ass near the hotel swimming pool in an exotic country. Which is why most people can't possibly make the distinction between Sikhs and Muslims.

I tend to believe that a large majority of people spends more time focusing their attention on all manner of superficial fashion trends, celebrity and technology hypes via Facebook and the like, rather than earnestly attempting to dig into serious issues. Which is all the more ironical, because many of those people would pretentiously claim they are truly interested in cultures in general, and most of the time in fact they are totally unable to discern the differences. They heap all cultures together. (and as I have often found, in most cases they know jack shit when you start questioning them)

I think that hyperconsumerism (as I call it) as the main target of these info channels (or should I say infotainment ?) does more to undermine the ability of critical thinking than anything else on this planet at the moment.

Nazis and Muslims are comrades, they share the same pathological hatred for jews and dissent, for any anyone that doesn't think, act and look like them.

Maybe I am simply asserting somehow that any individual, who chooses to integrally comply with a totalitarian doctrine that enforces mind-numbing uniformity, is not all that intelligent to start with ?

Maybe such individuals simply think in the back of their minds "Why should I think for myself when I have a ready-made system in place that provides me with all the necessary solutions to what life is going to throw at me ?"

Maybe that's the real stupidity of what has been going on in Wisconsin ? Maybe Muslims should ask themselves the question also at one point, maybe then they'll start to get in touch with the potential rewards of thinking like an individual ? Maybe they'd start getting intelligent in the long run ? Such as Muslim apostates ?

My solidarity goes to the Sikhs, at JW we have always stood shoulder to shoulder with the Sikhs and understand that as a group they have been terribly afflicted by the jihad. Conversely we have consistently held a fierce contempt towards any racist or supremacists individual or group, in fact it is JW "raison d'etere" to fight the number one bigotry threataning world freedom, liberty and life
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Cocktail tidbit: Many male Sikhs carry a modest ceremonial dagger on them in their waistband. This emblem of their "warrior tradition" stems from a victory against evildoers hundreds of years ago or something. When I heard that an older temple member was found with his dagger near his hand, it made me sad.

I join in heartily, deeply sorrowfully, and in respect of the Sikh faith and community, with this disgusting act of aggression, by a pathetic member or follower, of a criminal group. I have for years had a general respect and regard for Sikhs, and have, when visiting a place near one of my locations, and Sikhs have been visiting and come near to me, I have verbally greeted and extended my welcome and bid them to enjoy the area. They have always been cordial, at the least.

I stand with any belief system, which as a matter of principled policy, poses no threats nor violence, for those leaving it, nor is supremacist, nor is violent, nor demands or suggests violence to anyone else, within or without the belief system, ever.

I admire those who practice and believe in civilizationally generally accepted good behavior.

From me, thanks to all, especially Robert Spencer, who have supplied even more knowledge than I had had about several related subjects here, particularly about the neo's and "sin" heads. That is why it is a special pleasure for me to have the privilege of learning so much more, through the collective knowledge of so many scholars and scholarly individuals, albeit this not being a good occasion to so learn, but at least something positive for the honor of those good people lost, to evil, needlessly.

The Sikh's in canada NEVER made a valid heart felt apology for the 2 Sikh TERRORISTS that slaughtered 240 CANADIAN'S via suit-case bombs on a 747 that exploded at 35'000 feet and 500 MPH over the Atlantic, and, killed Japanese workers at the Airport from a flight delay that set off the bomb early in Japan.
In 2010 there were sveral Plaques placed across canada as Memorials to the 329 civilians murdered by Sikh's that plotted the slaughter in canada and loaded the bombs on the planes in canada.
The Memorials for the 329 deaths was purged of any links to Sikh Terrorists , just like the 9/11 Memorial in Ottawa, canada was purged of any link to islam or the 19 MUSLIMS that slaughtered 24 Candian civilians.

I don't blame ALL Sikhs' or ALL Muslims , BUT, i do expect some admission to the slaughter and a proper denouncing of the Terrorism instead of the hollow apology that islam ,or Sikhism HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT when the killers praised their God and did it FOR their faith.

Sikh's and Muslims have tenets that want THEIr faith to dominate the Globe, and sure they ahve peaceful verses when Politicians visit the temples.

Lets see the Sikh's show foregivness to NOt blame all Americans' for one nutbar , and then move-on to NOT hold-up this mass murder every year to rub it in the faces of non-Sikh's.
Canadains got over the Sikh slaughter of 240 fellow citizens( the biggest % group was grand children on the Air India flight to their parents homeland ).

BTW
I expect CAIR to post a Security Alert to guard against islamophobic attacks on muslims and mosques .
How odd that this Sikh killer is named a "White supremacy" killer, and yet Maj. Nidal was never called a "islamic Supremacy" muslim that killed only NON-Muslims that day.

Maybe Obama will call this slaughter a "Holy Temple violence".

BTW

Sikh's in canada fought for a Special-Status to be exempt from canada's Helmet laws for motor vehicles and Construction site. The fought to wear the Turban as Cops and got exempt from Riot-Duty clause because the Helmet interferes with their faith and this means that most females cops will be forced to takle the place of a Sikh male and risk thier lives at a Riot while getting the same Salary as the Sikh male Cop.

If someone is forced to wear some type of Costume to be part of a quasi-faith, they should find jobs that let them prqactise their fatih and NOT impose their rituals on all others that don't follow their faith.
Brave Sikh's fought in WW2, BUT, everyone was shot at and faced the threats of death while on the frontline, NO Sikh soldier was exempt from fighting biut they could exercise the right to not wear a helmet and killed first during battle.

Lets stop kisssing-up to every new faith in order to not offend people. Just beause i have never seen a Sikh homeless person, it doesn't mean i will blindly drreink the Sikhism Kool-ade and embrace all of Sikism as peaceful and no threat to Liberty and Freedoms. One Sikh Temple near me ( Weston Road & St.Clair west Toronto) had sword waving Sikh's fighting on the Streets as part of a power struggle just after the Terrorism that slaughter 240 canadians for Sikhism. The PC Cops refused to make arrests just to keep the peace, today it's Muslim's that break the laws and get away with it.

This is a tragedy and we must support the Sikhs. Let us also support the families of the 13 people slaughtered by muslim terrorist Maj. Nidal Hassan. He was shouting Allah Akhar as he mowed them down, was influenced by a radical, called himself the Soldier of Allah, even gave powerpoint presentations on jihad.

Before the Sikh crime scene was secured, the FBI called it Domestic Terrorism. The FBI stated thatFort Hood was not domestic terrorism, but an 'isolated incident' and 'workplace violence. The FBI also ignored the red flags leading to the massacre because they didn't want to offend terrorist-linked CAIR.

There should be a discussion about this.

This is a tragedy and we must support the Sikhs. Let us also support the families of the 13 people slaughtered by muslim terrorist Maj. Nidal Hassan. He was shouting Allah Akhar as he mowed them down, was influenced by a radical, called himself the Soldier of Allah, even gave powerpoint presentations on jihad.

Before the Sikh crime scene was secured, the FBI called it Domestic Terrorism. But Fort Hood was not domestic terrorism, but an 'isolated incident' and 'workplace violence'. The FBI also ignored the red flags leading to the Fort Hood massacre because they didn't want to offend terrorist-linked CAIR.

There should be a discussion about this.

Before the Milwaukee mass murder, the Sikhs' most dangerous foes were Muslims. The Taliban has a history of beheading Sikhs. Many of the founding Sikh holy men were formerly Muslims, making Sikhism an apostate group in the eyes of Islam.

I am not surprised that CAIR has jumped on the bandwagon, again. I am also not surprised that the Chicago Trib etc. once again describes CAIR as a civil rights organization.

Let's face it. Islam criticism is reaping no rewards, whatsoever. We are a tiny minority that wants to educate a vast majority of ignoramuses, willfully blind for what's happening under their noses. And that's the way it will remain until the shit really hits the fan. I.e. Western societies will never come to their senses, until all is lost and we will find ourselves in an apocalyptic / dystopian nightmare that's currently used as a screenplay for cinematic mass amusement that filters out any reference to Islam. That's where we are heading, thanks to politicians, thanks to the pervasive disorder of PC MC that's clouding the minds of the general public. No matter what we say, no matter how desperately we want to be heard.

I am done with being called an unrealistic scaremonger, Islamophobe, racist, or what have you. I am going to let it rot. Everything's changing for the worse, and I am going to disengage. Europe is already lost as a consequence, all the rest will follow. Maybe there's still something more interesting to do with my time.

Í'm with ala sux on this one. I severely injured a right hand finger w a knife so its hard to type so ill have to be brief. I know the sikh temple ala sux mentioned where fights break out often its at the corner of st. clair at old weston kitty-corner from the peter pan k convenience store and across from where the old dashmesh conveinience store was (jerk restaurant also - he'll know) I'm only slightly north from there. Sikh violence however is much worse in BCjust google khalistan separatism violence bc ontario national post sorry Mr. Spencer you really ought to get an education about sikh terrorism in india and in Canada and their inability and UNWILLINGNESS to integrate into canadian society and their whining about their daggers kirpans in schools and courts and their whining about their turbans refusing to wear helmets in traffic and on the job etc. they are not ideal citizens in Canada they are a pain in the ass and don't belong here.

Not saying they deserved the violence in wisconsin but they are just another third world group who gripe and moan about special accomodation for their "culture" who we could do without, they do nothing to defend OUR culture (big hairy deal a few fought in ww 2) when it is under attack all they care about is THEIRS!! flame away I know you will, but its the truth, im with ala on this one, hes right, the biggest terror attack on canada was done by SIKHS! and they never apologized for it!

The Muslim Council of Britain have issued a press release expressing horror at the killing of these Sikhs in the U.S and offering their ingratiating condolences. More taqiyya with a forked tounge I suspect.

I recall an interesting experience I had, a few months after 911, some time in the spring of 2002. My friend had driven me to a large shopping mall and parked in front of the largest retail store there. As I got out to stretch my legs in the warm spring weather while my friend was still retrieving stuff from his back seat, I noticed two bearded men in turbans getting out of a much nicer newer small car. I'm clearly white, and I was in addition wearing a baseball cap, which makes a white person seem even whiter and more American. I'll never forget the look of the one Sikh who was looking at me: a sly level-lidded knowing look that cut like daggers, perhaps essentially telegraphing with those glittering black eyes something along the lines of: "Ah, you American, you probably look at me and immediately stereotype me as a foreigner, perhaps a Muslim, you Americans and your 911, you think you own the patent on human tragedy and suffering, well our people have known this for centuries while you live in your cushy white suburbia..." blah blah blah.

I never get looks like that from Filipinos, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, or -- for that matter -- non-Sikh non-Muslim Indians.

In these dark days for the Sikh community in the U.S. and around the world, we stand in solidarity with them.
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Excellent post, Robert.