AFDI/SIOA Exclusive: Statement from Joseph Nassralla Gives Inside Story of Making of “Innocence of Muslims” film

Pamela Geller has the exclusive information:

Joseph Nassralla of Way TV and Media for Christ has contacted me to issue a statement about his role in producing the film “Innocence of Muslims.” The last time I saw Nassralla, he had come to our Summer Night for Civil Rights in June in California, and before that I saw him at our September 11, 2011 rally. But now he is being hunted like an animal because of the media's relentless campaign to destroy and target innocent civilians whom they believe have been critical of Islam. Nassralla is currently in hiding after multiple death threats from Muslims, because of his purported role in producing this video. Now, for the first time, Nassralla has revealed to me the inside story of the making of “Innocence of Muslims.”

I want to emphasize that “Innocence of Muslims” was not the actual cause of the worldwide Muslim riots and murders of innocent people that have followed in its wake. In reality, the riots were planned for months, and have nothing to do with the video – they’re just an attempt to get the U.S. to destroy free speech. The Coptic Christians who produced the film have suffered escalating persecution from Muslims in the last few years, and have lived for centuries under dhimmitude, harassment and violence. Many in the U.S. have long wanted to tell their story and expose the true face of Islam to the world. Moreover, ex-Muslims such as Ali Sina of Faith Freedom International was planning to make a factual film of Muhammad’s life, to show what he really said and did according to Islamic tradition. “Innocence of Muslims,” however, was not Ali Sina’s film (Sina had no involvement in it whatsoever); nor was it the film that many Coptic activists, including Joseph Nassralla, thought they were making.

And as an aside, why isn't the media destroying the Hollywood company, Blue Canyon, for providing the outdoor facility for this amateurish production?

Here is the statement Joseph Nassralla gave to me:

There has been a campaign of disinformation and smears about the film "Innocence of Muslims" and my involvement in it. I have been forced to leave my home, and I have received numerous death threats. It grieves me that my intent was to call attention to the relentless, bloody persecution of the Copts, but that issue is of no interest to the media at all. But the hounding by the media and the ongoing Muslim violence forces me to issue a statement setting the record straight.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula called me last year. He said to me, “I know you are protesting the persecution of Christians, the forced conversions, and the killing of innocent Christians while they are worshipping, as well as the burning of the churches in Egypt and the kidnapping of Christian girls for forced conversion."

He told me that he was making a film about Christian persecution, and that it would examine the culture of the desert and how it is related to what is going on right now. The name of Nakoula’s film, he told me, was Desert Warrior.

So the movie that I was told about turned out to be a completely different movie from “Innocence of Muslims.”

Nakoula needed a place to film. So I let him use my facility – that is all I did, and is the full extent of my involvement with this project. Nakoula used my facility for ten days. Media for Christ employees were given a vacation during that time, because Nakoula was using the facility and so there was no work for them. There was only one Media for Christ employee who remained, to answer phones for the ministry.

I later discovered that Nakoula, using the name Sam Bacile, had gone to LA Films as producer of Desert Warrior, and used the name of my organization, Media for Christ, to obtain the permit he needed. He did so without my knowledge or permission.

Nakoula filmed his movie not only at my ministry location, but in Nakoula’s own home (which reporters located by getting the address from the actors), and in another facility for outside scenes that was included in the permit, Blue Canyon. I gave him no further assistance with the project.

Nakoula altered the film without anyone’s knowledge, changing its entire focus and dubbing in new dialogue. He edited it. The final product, “Innocence of Muslims,” bore no resemblance to the film I thought he was making, or the film the actors thought they were creating. We were shocked.

The only people who are responsible for the riots and murders that have been blamed on this film are those who are rioting and murdering – not me, and not Pamela Geller or Robert Spencer or Nakoula Nakoula or anyone else. However, I thought it necessary to issue this statement in order to emphasize that Nakoula is the only one known right now to be responsible for the content of this movie.

The work of my ministry and my television station is to expose the brutal ideology of sharia and terrorism. Our work is not against Muslims. I urge you to check out our work, we never insult anyone. Go to ATVSAT.com.

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I apologize for this re-post, I believe it to be pertinent to the heart of the issue.

If the film helped to dispel the lie that islam is not at war with the West, if the film revealed the raging hatred against America, ordinarily hidden and barely contained by the islamic world, if the film has helped to unravel the fiction that obama’s policies and “smart” power will bring peace and security to America, then this film is a Godsend.


For one moment obama and his crony press are finding it very difficult to lull the public away from the tremendous danger we face. Under the tip of the hundreds of thousands raging worldwide and those who were chanting on the 911 anniversary “we love Osama” “we love Osama” “we love Osama” …there lies the proverbial “moderate” mass lying under the surface who are by no means just a “tiny minority” .

What the world has experienced recently is a momentary global awakening to an evil which is enraged by the truthful mention of it’s existence, thank you

The muslims owe us apology for being savages and killing his own and ours for centuries. Obama must protect FREEDOM OF SPEECH in this country whether he likes it or not. None of that apology to those savages who sadomize and murder our own. What is wrong with this OBAMA and his liberal ignorant crew? Enough is enough. America wake up! We are in a war for our freedom. What don't you understand?

I don't want to talk about if someone made some movie and somebody did not like it. So what? Don't watch it. Are we in 21st century or at year 600 something.

It's just too that you felt it important to publish his disavowal of any responsibility for that film. In this country, we used to have "Freedom of Speech and Religion." It looks like the Muslims win after all.

The work of my ministry and my television station is to expose the brutal ideology of sharia and terrorism. Our work is not against Muslims.

-- Joseph Nassralla of Way TV and Media for Christ

That all-too common (unfortunately) disclaimer I bolded in the quote above is becoming -- with each passing year, month, week, day -- increasingly strained, ludicrous, counter-factual, and monstrously preposterous.

The buffoonery of these people is surreal, look at this guy who works for France 24:

https://twitter.com/JamesCreedonF24/status/247744654047580160

While the jury is out in respect to the actual film that caused all these riots...I would like to see the Liberal press set aside all their bias and truly become familiar with Islam and its history and objectives...it serves no good purpose to whitewash with Politically correct material that is put out by CAIR Other than obscuring the goals of islam and the stealth blending of shariah Law with the laws of our land.

I don't know enough about the producer of this film other than he was convicted of fraudulently using credit... his religious connections and muliple names are murky and suspicious ...is he Coptic ,jewish ...or an agent with Islamic connections ? nobody seems to know for sure...beings as this is being used as an excuse for the riots a possible connection with radical islam is plausable....

I don't get any of this excuse-making. Nassrallah need not justify his involvement to anyone.

We in the West, or at least here in the USA, can produce, write about any topic we please, and we don't have to ask anyone's leave to do it. If it's liable (psssssst,it's legally impossible to defame someone dead for 1400 years), then the libel and defamation laws are there to correct that.

The guy sounded very scared, and rightly so. Radical Islam knows only one thing: violence and more violence. That is why we are here in Israel lost hope to have ever peace with them. Sadly, Peace is not a Language they speak.

And as for the cat crucifixion by Nigerian Muslims -- even if, apparently, it occurred in 2010, that hardly diminishes its ghoulish horror nor the lethally deranged disease it indicates: I.e., it is still long past time for my aforementioned Operation.

Hahahaha... oh, wow!. Newsweek latest cover by Hirsi Ali says "Muslim Rage" and delusional, demented dolts are already talking about "Islamophobia/islamophobic cover/story".

http://bit.ly/S3Jtrj

I haven't read the story but some make it seem like Ali asks people to leave islam and then i read some columns critizing that but remember... it's ok for media like the New York Times to ask people to quit christianity/catholicism:

http://bit.ly/SuX07F

Pointing out muslim rage, rampages = "islamophobia"

Asking for muslims to leave islam = haram, asking for christians/catholics to leave their religion = halal.

Looks like Reza Aslan is one of the ones behind the #muslimrage thing on Twitter, trying to intimidate Newsweek, trying to stop them pointing out muslim violence, hatred, bigotry and intolerance:

https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/247731075634302976

And look at this Al-Jazeera propagandist and disinformer calling Hirsi Ali, a victim of Islam, "professional islamophobe":

https://twitter.com/amelscript/status/247766516647489536

"Shame on Newsweek", a dolt says on Twitter:

Yeah, shame on Newsweek for pointing out muslim violence. How dare they? those islamophobes!.

The calumnies, slander, libel and psychological projection against Ali, a victim of Islam, continue. This scumbag works for the pseudo-Christian pseudo-Science Monitor and calls her a "devoted Islamophobe and proven liar":

https://twitter.com/bungdan/status/247697605277126656

The portions shown of the video were funny.

What does the full video look like is the question.

It is almost - who has not sinned throw the first stone - if you were to compare the filmmaker's life to Muhammad's - who of them would be able to throw the first stone?

If Muslims can excuse all of Muhammad's behavior - and still call him perfect - maybe - we can see - he did something that was needed.

Perhaps even - one could suggest - it was 'god's will'!


We can see that part of the movie - was going to focus on the Christians' plight in Egypt.

Cutting the film - Muhammad's behavior - based on the Hadiths - [where one cannot dispute he did not do those things or similar] - made far better material for a trailer.


This guy must be angry too - while everyone [in the know] - allies themselves with "Islam" and claims to be "friends" of it - they place themselves in a position where it is difficult - to openly criticize injustices - that stem from Islamic law - because their interests are now with Islam.

If their interest were based on humanity - there would be an impatiality - that would allow them to move from a Copt's plight to a Shiite being persecuted.

And it is not only the Copts - it is the Hindus and Sikhs - whose issues are seen as too 'sensitive' to cover - where one might be accused of offending Islamic values.

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You know what they say - God works in mysterious ways - perhaps this was someone who thought he had little to lose. He wrote it while in prison!

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Focus on Copts - and the persecuted people in the Islamic lands

So worried about Islam the western left-wing media - won't even acknowledge that Christians and others in the Muslim world live as dhimmis - and that where the laws are based on the Shari'a - there can be no equality with Muslims.

It is with a kind of arrogance to suggest that it is wrong that someone living under those laws might be upset by them.

To be fair - we should see the whole film - we should see these other parts.

As for Muhammad's behavior - it is a tragedy of a mammoth proportions - that Muslims are 'forced' to identify with it in a way that requires that they see it as the perfect example for all mankind.

Freedom of religion :-)

Without the benefit of question - it is an error - Muslims are compelled to repeat.

They are now protecting - bad behavior - with bad behavior!


This "controversial" film serves not only as a pretext for Muslims to display their hate towards the West, especially America and Israel, but functions as a catalyst for exposing once again all the built-up hate and intolerance, superstitions and absurdities too, which lurk deep within the Islamic mindset. I'm glad this film is out there, irrespective of its being made surreptitiously, though one cannot help but feel compassion for Joseph Nassralla. Not because of any inherent excellence which the film itself possesses, which is little to none, but because once again Muslims en masse have revealed to the world at large the terrible things Islam does to the mind and the terrible things Muslims will do to freedom of speech, of religion, of the press, etc., if only they can have their childish way of things.

And shame on all those, like Obama, who have put hurt Muslim feelings above liberty. Such people are beneath contempt. One has to have a very skewered concept of freedom to think that whatever Muslims feel should ever take precedence over liberty. And again can be seen that between Islam and freedom no reconciliation will be possible. It's a classic example of "either/or."

Max Blumenthal, another criminal thug who slanders and calumniates anyone who doesn't think like him:

"vile Islamophobic self-promoter Ayaan Hirsi Ali"

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/247697701729349632

And like that there's many other dirtbags with projection bias lambasting Newsweek on Twitter for pointing out muslim violence and giving voice to a victim of Islam like Hirsi Ali.

It is high time USA opens it's doors to the much persecuted Coptic Christians of Egypt to migrate into Amercia as Refugees. America imported the trouble creating Somalis and Sudanees as refugees,and these Somalis showed their true colors when they send their youth to train in anti-Amercian activities in Muslim lands.By allowing Copts,who are much civilized, educated and harmless to America,they will be a more blessed inclusion to Amercia..

Heres a small interview shown on the BBC tonight in which Salman Rushdie speaks about his Satanic Verse
experience...and about being brave enough to publish and be damned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19600879

I cant help wishing that the muslim movie had been better made, and easier to watch. Then maybe more people would be waking up to the jihad going on under our noses and the fact that our freedoms are being erroded because of fear.

Can't really blame Joseph Nassralla for desperately trying to disconnect himself from this film.
However, I doubt this makes any difference. Someone has to pay.
And until more are willing to join the fight, it will be individuals that pay.

As I have mentioned before, I hope to see lots of demonstrations for freedom of speech around the globe. But with the media and PC MC's constant denial, it is difficult to make the masses see that they need to engage personally - things will NOT just solve themselves.

The muslim countries need to see that we can mobilise just as many protesters. A lot of this is just about flexing muscles and unopposed it will look like something they can win.

I like Stephen Fry's approach:

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry

But instead of just ignoring the hurt feelings of so many people I suggest we do something different. I think we should propose the solution to this kind of problem that we have in the west. More shrinks!
'Now tell me, what do you think these hurt feelings are REALLY about?'

@ Sheikh Hasan bin Sobah and Wllington:

With you guys all the way.

Anyone in the USA--citizen, lawful permanent resident, for all those who can't understand Consularese), foreign student, business visitor, tourist--should not have to worry about freely expressing an opinion that neither picks someone's pocket, breaks his leg, nor kills him. That means they may even make an amateurish film in bad taste. I don't know if Joseph Nasrallah is an American citizen or not, but the people who need to apologize--or probably spend some time in the pokey and get deported, if non-citizens--are those making the death threats.

Also, I think that the film _Innocence of Muslims_ shows a bunch of Copts fed up to the neck about how their people were treated back in the old country, and decided to express what they really thought about Islam and its founder. Further, they probably took at face value this business of free speech they may have learned while boning up for the naturalization exam. Just as the local imam has the right to call Jews the relatives of apes and pigs (as long as he doesn't try to kill anyone), so do these Coptic Christian immigrants have the right to express themselves. And so do we here (I write as an American).

And, as for the reaction of the Muslim Street and Egypt's PM, maybe they need to be told that they need to show a little more respect for their minorities before they demand it from America, any Western country (including, for argument's sake, Israel, even though most of its Jews are Mizrahi), and a number of Eastern countries.

To all Americans in law enforcement and on the judicial bench, if you don't want to protect the Joseph Nasrallah's among us when they simply express an opinion, I beg you in the name of all that is honorable and decent--RESIGN YOUR POSITIONS!

To the MSM, I say "SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!" In trying to sound statesmanlike in your criticisms of _Innocence of Muslims_ to appease the crowd in the Middle East that is always ready to have its short fuse lit halfway to the explosive charge, you are only sawing off the branch on which you sit--and sawing it off between your hip and the trunk of the tree of liberty!

Dear Hillary Clinton, to you alone among our administration's officials do I extend a heartfelt thanks for deigning to mention Freedom of Speech. Then again, it's my job to encourage immigrant kids' in their halting attempts to express themselves in the mysterious, difficult, and baffling English language. Nest time, trot out the First Amendment first, rather than giving undue prominence to obscure people. Also, while you're at it, go back to Congress and say, "Remember forgiving Egypt's debt? Well, we at State have changed our minds..."

I understand that Mr. Nassralla is operating under death threats--that's not to be taken lightly--not when those threats come from people who thrive on violence and death.

But, for some reason I'm troubled that he feels the need to make this statement. Does it perhaps lend credibility to the false, "It's about the movie," mentality? And then, he says his work is "not against muslims," but against "sharia and terrorism." It seems to my (admittedly rather simple) mind that islam IS sharia and terrorism. So, I don't understand the distinction?

I don't hear him begging-off on the amateurishness or content of this film, just dissociating himself from any but peripheral knowledge and participation. And, he says he was duped, even at that. And, that may well be true.

I don't know, the whole thing sounds to me like an apology--an apology he owes no one, least of all muslims and their enablers.

Myabe I need to cut the poor guy some slack, here...

I understand that Mr. Nassralla is operating under death threats--that's not to be taken lightly--not when those threats come from people who thrive on violence and death.

But, for some reason I'm troubled that he feels the need to make this statement. Does it perhaps lend credibility to the false, "It's about the movie," mentality? And then, he says his work is "not against muslims," but against "sharia and terrorism." It seems to my (admittedly rather simple) mind that islam IS sharia and terrorism. So, I don't understand the distinction?

I don't hear him begging-off on the amateurishness or content of this film, just dissociating himself from any but peripheral knowledge and participation. And, he says he was duped, even at that. And, that may well be true.

I don't know, the whole thing sounds to me like an apology--an apology he owes no one, least of all muslims and their enablers.

Myabe I need to cut the poor guy some slack, here?

Another double-post. (sigh)

I tried to watch the video on Youtube. I could only take a couple of minutes before I had to turn it off.

Don't bother trying to watch it yourself. Take my word for it - it's crap. And it deserves to be roundly condemned for the crap that it is, truly an affront to film-making.

But when did making spectacularly bad movies become a crime? For crying out loud, if no one went to prison for the Twilight series, then I think we can afford to overlook this one.

As far as intentionally provoking Muslim rage - yeah, I'm pretty sure that was the intended purpose. But let's face it, anyone who thinks that having their religion insulted is sufficient cause for murder needs to have their religion insulted. As often as possible, by as many different people as possible.

Classic, SFT !!!

Memorable comment.

I sympathize wholeheartedly with the author's obvious distress, and his obvious and perfectly sensible concern for his continued well being and that of the Christian peoples of Egypt.

That said, we are in tough times. Times for hard and frightening choices. And most of us feel that the circumstances have been thrust upon us unwilling and even unknowing.

Life is often like that. Unjust and unfair and demanding of work beyond our own understanding of our own abilities.

Apparently Mr. Nassralla was dragged, without warning, deeper into the fray than he had planned, and under circumstances he would have objected to if given the choice. I dare to say that I think he probably was deceived in exactly the way he describes.

I have nothing but respect and gratitude for his having placed himself at risk -- not only of enemy fire, but friendly fire as well, war being the disorderly mess that it has always been.

It's a jungle out there and there's a fight on.

Our Mr. Nassralla is clearly on the side of the angels. He has my condolences for the deception he has suffered.

And he is, as a member of the resistance, entirely entitled to my advice, such as it is, Praise The Lord & Pass The Ammunition.

I pressed publish before I was quite ready.

My sympathy, respect and gratitude to Mr. Nassralla -- and my profound feelings for having place himself thus in danger.

May he enjoy the favor of heaven, safety and happiness.

He has friends.

It was just announced on FOX News that some raghead cleric or other has issued a death fatwa against everyone having anything to do with the making of the "Innocence of Muslims" video. Exactly how the parameters of that are determined by what passes for the Muslim mind is unspecified.

I remember Mr. Nassralla well from his having spoken at one of the NYC Stop the Ground Zero Mosque rallies. May he stay safely hidden away from these savages.

I interpret the "disclaimer" as inferring that muslims are at the mercy of islam, and therefore should not to be tarred with the same brush. The philisophical debate about chickens and eggs needs to go on the back burner; what we need right now are lots and lots of apostates.

LemonLime claims that our actual intentions are not the same as our stated intentions: to resist the encroachment of Shari'a and promote the equality of all people and their human rights.

Unlike Muslims, we believe that most Muslims are good people who are following a series self-serving pronouncements from a mentally ill man whose behaviour provides additional examples of bad behaviour they seek to emulate. The religion is bad, not the people, and we think they would be better off discarding this religion for almost any other religion as this would be an improvement in their lives and mental health - irrespective of the beneficial consequence for every other people.

Unlike Muslims we don't believe that there are the three options for dealing with people who don't have the same beliefs as us: a) convert them, b) make them semi-slaves, or c) wage endless war on them. Were Islam not an aggressive religion that does believe in these three tenets against us, we would almost certainly ignore them for the most part. The problem is that we cannot. All non-Muslims may not be at war with Islam, but unfortunately Islam is at war with non-Muslims.

There is a lot of paranoia in Islam, driven by a philosophy that rejects reason and logic. Some of this is driven by the contradictory nature of the Quar'an that is supposed to be perfect in this contradictory nature. Another part stems from a derived philosophy that all reality exists moment to moment only through Allah willing it so, and the lack of cause and effect makes it impossible to make reliable predictions or planning about any issue of the future. The last part of paranoia stems from Muhammed himself, a man whose unbridled desires coupled with his tribal culture makes all Islam similarly encumbered.

This paranoia becomes expressed in the projection of Muslims who claim acts and motivations that are simply not true, or are generalizations of fringe views of non-Muslims. To those from a Western Civilisation-derived philosophy, the Muslim extreme behaviors and statements we have seen in the last few days seems unjustified - were there to be an infinite power and knowledge-equipped god, any efforts on the part of humans would be insignificant in comparison; nothing we did or said or even thought would have any effect if this god could rectify this with a single wish for reality to change. As a result, we tend to see that big dogs don't need to bark to frighten off other dogs, but little dogs do. A supreme ruler in the western philosophy doesn't need to rant and rave about some issue of the state - (s)he can just can order it fixed."

The weakness of our current western philosophy is the widespread belief that all beliefs have equal value and that there are no objective truths. From this is derived a belief that if all cultures are equal in worth, then they should all thus be equally happy and productive; if they are not, it must be as a result of forces external to this culture instead of flaws intrinsic to it. If other cultures are responsible for the failures of particular cultures, then these 'explotative' cultures are responsible for making these failing cultures better and as members of the 'exploitative' culture we are asked to feel guilty for these failing cultures, to 'respect' these failing cultures and to provide resources to provide an equality of outcome so these cultures become as materially rich as our culture. Some of these failing cultures play on our guilt to demand accommodation for their beliefs and practices without being willing to allow any concessions in return.

Islam is derived a a core word for submission, not from the concept of peace. As a core part of Islam is a hierarchy of submission to Allah, Muhammed, the Caliph, the imam, the tribe, the family and the gender, then there is a hierarchy of power, a pecking order of control. As this is considered to be a divinely mandated hierarchy, then the concept of equality becomes debased. Anyone who voluntarily gives up power falls down in this hierarchy and becomes a lesser person, to be treated with contempt for giving up their place in the divinely mandated hierarchy. In this culture people do not willingly give up anything lest their position is degraded and their status suffers. Accordingly, they see anyone who is not willing to or cannot defend their own position or belongings as weak and deserving of contempt and placed underneath them to be ruled as subordinates.

Any concession made in the Western cultures is seen as a weakness and confirmation that the culture is weak and deserves domination by Islam. The paranoia and projection means that Western culture is not only seen to be subservient but also to be to be willfully and knowingly resistant to the divinely mandated dominance of Islam. Thus the idea that the kufr know the truth of Islam, but defiantly and willfully reject it because of their evil intentions towards Islam. One of the reasons that Osama Bin Laden called on us to convert was this idea that before this point we non-believers were given the benefit of doubt that we acted because we did not know about the truth, beauty and perfection of Islam. Having once been called to Islam and yet refused to convert, we must have done this out of spite as there is a belief that the perfection of Islam is self-apparent to all and to refuse is to do so out of a deliberate malice. If your religion is perfect, then it should be immediately apparent to all and not need to be argued as to its truth. This apparent malice towards Islam is then used to justify the feelings of paranoia, persecution and victimhood, yet also legitimize 'defensive' actions against the people or culture that has the malice against them.

So, here we are. We have a Muslim culture believing that the Western world is deliberately provoking Muslims whilst knowing the perfect nature of Islam and its only worthwhile prophet Muhammed. And that then makes the West (and us) the aggressors and oppressors. And the Qur'an describes how to deal with oppressors: Qur'an 2:190 "...and oppression (of you) is worse than (you) killing (them)", Qur'an 2:193 "... there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.", and Qur'an 5:33 which prescribes killing for those who wage war on Allah and his messenger (Muslims).

I reject LemonLime's assertion. He presents this as a self evident fact but doesn't give proof that we are against Muslims because they are are Muslims, instead of us criticizing abhorrent ideas that are leading to abhorrent actions by Muslims. The common factor here is Islam, but it is hard to narrow it down further due to not all self-identified Muslims believing and practicing the abhorrent ideas. The people who are the biggest victims of Islam, day in day out, are the Muslims themselves - we want them to free themselves and in doing so free us as well.

you know i have always found it funny that you call us savages and barbariens and i also find it funny that you say tat muslims are like this and they are not civilised as tjough you know anything about us our religeon or the minal messenger the prophet Muhammed peace and blessings of the one and only god be upon him. i have seen this video and was witness to its lies and i could stand here typing for days to set things straight but it is no use because i know the only thing in your hearts are ignorrence and arrogence.

but i will set 1 thing straight and that is. you people say that the prophet muhammed (S.A.W) is a child malester because he married a girl at the age of 9.
the true thing that happend was that girl came to the prophet Muhammed (s.a.w) and asked to marry him he never forced anyone to marry him and he never raped anyone.

you talk about us and say we are barbarians,savages and uncivilised when in fact it is the other way
you talk of freedom in your countrys and the only freedom you get is the freedom to rape the freedom to murder the freedom to slander and to commit all tho oldest injustices in all the newest ways

and i curse anyone that says that muslims fear death. death smiles at us and we smile back, we embrace death as a friend when death come we say murhaba murhaba (welcome welcome) you dedicate your lifes for you country and your kings and queens where as we dedicate our lifes to our lord the all-mighty the most-powerful

i pity all non-believers because they do not know the true meaning of hounour and dignity. honour is to give your life on the battlefield for your creator and sustainer.

many muslims and some non-muslims have known for some time now that a war is coming and not just any war this will be the greatest and fiercest war ever because this war shall not be over land nor money but over faith, we know this because it has been prophesised.i am not saying this as a threat but as a piece of advice that it is just around the corner and shall begin with the coming of the one with one eye.

and for those that were wondering my name abdul-muntaqim means ,sevant of the lord of retribution the avenger, and certainly muslims shall be avenged if not in this life than the next

you know i have always found it funny that you call us savages and barbariens and i also find it funny that you say tat muslims are like this and they are not civilised as tjough you know anything about us our religeon or the minal messenger the prophet Muhammed peace and blessings of the one and only god be upon him. i have seen this video and was witness to its lies and i could stand here typing for days to set things straight but it is no use because i know the only thing in your hearts are ignorrence and arrogence.

but i will set 1 thing straight and that is. you people say that the prophet muhammed (S.A.W) is a child malester because he married a we are barbarians,savages and uncivilised when in fact it is thegirl at the age of 9.
the true thing that happend was that girl came to the prophet Muhammed (s.a.w) and asked to marry him he never forced anyone to marry him and he never raped anyone.

you talk about us and say other way
you talk of freedom in your countrys and the only freedom you get is the freedom to rape the freedom to murder the freedom to slander and to commit all tho oldest injustices in all the newest ways

and i curse anyone that says that muslims fear death. death smiles at us and we smile back, we embrace death as a friend when death come we say murhaba murhaba (welcome welcome) you dedicate your lifes for you country and your kings and queens where as we dedicate our lifes to our lord the all-mighty the most-powerful

i pity all non-believers because they do not know the true meaning of hounour and dignity. honour is to give your life on the battlefield for your creator and sustainer.

many muslims and some non-muslims have known for some time now that a war is coming and not just any war this will be the greatest and fiercest war ever because this war shall not be over land nor money but over faith, we know this because it has been prophesised.i am not saying this as a threat but as a piece of advice that it is just around the corner and shall begin with the coming of the one with one eye.

and for those that were wondering my name abdul-muntaqim means ,sevant of the lord of retribution the avenger, and certainly muslims shall be avenged if not in this life than the next

you know i have always found it funny that you call us savages and barbariens and i also find it funny that you say tat muslims are like this and they are not civilised as tjough you know anything about us our religeon or the minal messenger the prophet Muhammed peace and blessings of the one and only god be upon him. i have seen this video and was witness to its lies and i could stand here typing for days to set things straight but it is no use because i know the only thing in your hearts are ignorrence and arrogence.

but i will set 1 thing straight and that is. you people say that the prophet muhammed (S.A.W) is a child malester because he married a we are barbarians,savages and uncivilised when in fact it is thegirl at the age of 9.
the true thing that happend was that girl came to the prophet Muhammed (s.a.w) and asked to marry him he never forced anyone to marry him and he never raped anyone.

you talk about us and say other way
you talk of freedom in your countrys and the only freedom you get is the freedom to rape the freedom to murder the freedom to slander and to commit all tho oldest injustices in all the newest ways

and i curse anyone that says that muslims fear death. death smiles at us and we smile back, we embrace death as a friend when death come we say murhaba murhaba (welcome welcome) you dedicate your lifes for you country and your kings and queens where as we dedicate our lifes to our lord the all-mighty the most-powerful

i pity all non-believers because they do not know the true meaning of hounour and dignity. honour is to give your life on the battlefield for your creator and sustainer.

many muslims and some non-muslims have known for some time now that a war is coming and not just any war this will be the greatest and fiercest war ever because this war shall not be over land nor money but over faith, we know this because it has been prophesised.i am not saying this as a threat but as a piece of advice that it is just around the corner and shall begin with the coming of the one with one eye.

and for those that were wondering my name abdul-muntaqim means ,sevant of the lord of retribution the avenger, and certainly muslims shall be avenged if not in this life than the next

you know i have always found it funny that you call us savages and barbariens and i also find it funny that you say tat muslims are like this and they are not civilised as tjough you know anything about us our religeon or the minal messenger the prophet Muhammed peace and blessings of the one and only god be upon him. i have seen this video and was witness to its lies and i could stand here typing for days to set things straight but it is no use because i know the only thing in your hearts are ignorrence and arrogence.

but i will set 1 thing straight and that is. you people say that the prophet muhammed (S.A.W) is a child malester because he married a we are barbarians,savages and uncivilised when in fact it is thegirl at the age of 9.
the true thing that happend was that girl came to the prophet Muhammed (s.a.w) and asked to marry him he never forced anyone to marry him and he never raped anyone.

you talk about us and say other way
you talk of freedom in your countrys and the only freedom you get is the freedom to rape the freedom to murder the freedom to slander and to commit all tho oldest injustices in all the newest ways

and i curse anyone that says that muslims fear death. death smiles at us and we smile back, we embrace death as a friend when death come we say murhaba murhaba (welcome welcome) you dedicate your lifes for you country and your kings and queens where as we dedicate our lifes to our lord the all-mighty the most-powerful

i pity all non-believers because they do not know the true meaning of hounour and dignity. honour is to give your life on the battlefield for your creator and sustainer.

many muslims and some non-muslims have known for some time now that a war is coming and not just any war this will be the greatest and fiercest war ever because this war shall not be over land nor money but over faith, we know this because it has been prophesised.i am not saying this as a threat but as a piece of advice that it is just around the corner and shall begin with the coming of the one with one eye.

and for those that were wondering my name abdul-muntaqim means ,sevant of the lord of retribution the avenger, and certainly muslims shall be avenged if not in this life than the next

"...and shall begin with the coming of the one with one eye."

BWWAAAAAABBWBAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You realize that posting anything three times is a reminder of The Trinity! You'll lose your head if anyone in the Ummah finds out! Death is smiling at you. Time to smile back!

Clown!

By your reasoning, serial killers are not bad people, they are good people who mistakenly follow a bad set of behavioral rules. The people who are the biggest victims of serial killers are the serial killers themselves - "we want them to free themselves and in doing so free us as well."

I am just sick and tired of excusing muslims because of their poor (?) and downright evil choices. It's time to stop separating the choice and intent of the behavior from the consequences of that behavior. Evil behavior = evil individual, period. Adherence to a set of evil principles, islamic ideology = choosing evil = evil behavior = evil people.

Ultimately, societal factors be damned, when confronted with evil we all have the choice to choose or reject it, its application and its consequences. muslims make the WRONG choice and we must not continue to excuse them for it. Can we excuse the followers of Charles Manson because they also followed a deranged, psychotic murderer whose actual crimes and murderous philosophy amounted to infinitely less than muhammad's? I suppose the Manson family killers were really just good people being misled by "a series self-serving pronouncements from a mentally ill man whose behaviour provides additional examples of bad behaviour they [sought] to emulate".

As gravenimage would say, "What utter crap".

In reply to Abdolt; you do realise there is only one i in islam.

You wrote:

"Unlike Muslims, we believe that most Muslims are good people who are following a series self-serving pronouncements from a mentally ill man whose behaviour provides additional examples of bad behaviour they seek to emulate. The religion is bad, not the people, and we think" ...

Would you use the same silly and dangerous rationale with someone like Charles Manson? ...that he is a "good" person but he made bad choices? Hey we don't give Charles Manson a pass and we shouldn't give one to muslims. That would be ridiculous. And what's with the "we" business? You need to state your opinion in the first person; especially since not everyone agrees with you.

You are a human being, for that I pity you and the rest of the frustrated, enraged to the point of madness, mohammedans victimized by ilsamic doctrine.

Educate yourself in the science of the mind and read up on actual circumstances of other human beings manipulated to think and act contrary to reason and reality.

If you are truly "brave", help yourself, learn about the following:

Power of suggestion
Mass hypnosis
Brainwashing
Depression
Suicidal ideation
Gullibility
Cults
Depressed states leading to a willingness to "sacrifice" one's life. A trait shared amongst the varied world's cults where members end their life, in mass or individually.

Why are you really unhappy abdul? Whose fault is it?


Also, it must be that Nazis weren't really evil people, they just CHOSE to follow a deranged evil leader and an evil ideology that murdered millions of human beings, just as islam did and does. But they were really GOOD PEOPLE on the inside, not to blame for their actions, doncha know.

It was Nazism that was bad, and not the Nazis, therefore . . ./

Yes! great point, CGW ...

While I of course agree wholeheartedly with CGW and Champ in this question, and while I am repulsed and horrified by the evil Muslims speak and perpetrate in various places all over the world all too often -- to me, it's not about the evil: I am primarily concerned about the danger of Muslims.

There are three distinct bad qualities of Islam and of the Muslims who enable Islam (and what Muslims don't enable Islam? and how would you verify they aren't?):

1) unjust
2) evil
3) deadly.

Now, we can imagine a cult that advocates unjust beliefs and policies -- but not necessarily evil ones, and they never use violence to try to get their way -- they just try to persuade people with their propaganda.

Then, we can imagine a cult that is evil, but doesn't bother to advocate injustice because they're mostly apolitical, and they have never been found to perpetrate violence (even if they may say things, being evil, that could lead that way) -- a good example of this would be some Satanist cult that just indulges in the evil symbolism and rituals, complete with black goth fashion and tatoos, etc., but doesn't actually sacrifice a baby or anything (and certainly doesn't asmass riots all over the world frothing with violence and hatred, nor has rammed jet planes into buildings to kill thousands, just to name two instances out of thousands Muslims have done).

Then, we can imagine a cult that is deadly, but also does not bother to foment their deadliness through a broadly political and geopolitical scheme -- e.g., the relatively low-level problem of street gangs.

With Islam, we have all three combined -- and the third quality, the deadliness, is of a degree and kind (in terms of global reach, numbers, fanaticism, seething hatred, psychocultural indoctrination including a military vision combined with tactics of deception, and psychotic willingness and even zeal to do wildly grotesque ultra-violence) that surpasses that of any other cult on earth now in existence, and throughout all history.

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