Canada: Muslim leader asks, "How can we expect non-Muslims to believe that Islam is a religion of peace, when Muslim mobs around the world make liars of us all, Muhammad included?"

In "Muslim Mobs Insult Muhammad's Legacy," in the Huffington Post, September 13 (thanks to Robert), David Liepert, a "Canadian Muslim Leader and Spokesperson, Interfaith Advisor to the Canadian Council of Imams," asks plaintively: "How can we expect non-Muslims to believe that Islam is a religion of peace, when Muslim mobs around the world make liars of us all, Muhammad included?"

Liepert claims: "Those mobs of angry Muslims, even if they believed they were marching for the sake of Muhammad, are ignorant of his legacy. Because a careful and historically accurate study of Muhammad's life confirms he didn't care about his own personal honor at all."

But actually, Islam mandates death for non-Muslim subjects of the Islamic state who mention "something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), or Islam" ('Umdat al-Salik, o11.10), and such laws go back to passages in the Hadith and Sira in which Muhammad orders the murders of people who have insulted him, including Abu ‘Afak, who was over one hundred years old, and the poetess ‘Asma bint Marwan. Abu ‘Afak was killed in his sleep, in response to Muhammad's question, “Who will avenge me on this scoundrel?” Similarly, Muhammad on another occasion cried out, “Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan?” One of his followers, ‘Umayr ibn ‘Adi, went to her house that night, where he found her sleeping next to her children. The youngest, a nursing babe, was in her arms. But that didn’t stop ‘Umayr from murdering her and the baby as well. Muhammad commended him: “You have done a great service to Allah and His Messenger, ‘Umayr!” (Ibn Ishaq, 674-676)

Then there was Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf. Muhammad asked: "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" One of the Muslims, Muhammad bin Maslama answered, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" When Muhammad said that he would, Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab)." Muhammad responded: "You may say it." Muhammad bin Maslama duly lied to Ka'b, luring him into his trap, and murdered him. (Sahih Bukhari, volume 5, book 59, number 369)

Likewise Islam QA calls for death for blasphemers, using both Qur'an and Hadith to make its argument:

I heard on a tape that whoever insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) should be executed even if he shows that he has repented. Should he be killed as a hadd punishment or because of kufr? If his repentance is sincere, will Allaah forgive him or will he go to Hell and his repentance will be of no avail?

Praise be to Allaah.

The answer to this question may be given by addressing the two following issues:

1 - The ruling on one who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)

The scholars are unanimously agreed that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) becomes a kaafir and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi 'Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others. Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/13-16

This ruling is indicated by the Qur'aan and Sunnah.

In the Qur'aan it says (interpretation of the meaning):

"The hypocrites fear lest a Soorah (chapter of the Qur'aan) should be revealed about them, showing them what is in their hearts. Say: '(Go ahead and) mock! But certainly Allaah will bring to light all that you fear.'

If you ask them (about this), they declare: 'We were only talking idly and joking.' Say: 'Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?'

Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed"

[al-Tawbah 9:64-66]

This verse clearly states that mocking Allaah, His verses and His Messenger constitutes kufr, so that applies even more so to insulting. The verse also indicates that whoever belittles the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is also a kaafir [unbeliever], whether he was serious or joking.

With regard to the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (4362) narrated from 'Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she died, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ruled that no blood money was due in this case.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Saarim al-Maslool (1/162): This hadeeth is jayyid, and there is a corroborating report in the hadeeth of Ibn 'Abbaas which we will quote below.

This hadeeth clearly indicates that it was permissible to kill that woman because she used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

Abu Dawood (4361) narrated from Ibn 'Abbaas that a blind man had a freed concubine (umm walad) who used to insult the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and say bad things about him. He told her not to do that but she did not stop, and he rebuked her but she did not heed him. One night, when she started to say bad things about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and insult him, he took a short sword or dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it and killed her. The following morning that was mentioned to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He called the people together and said, "I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right over him that he should stand up." The blind man stood up and said, "O Messenger of Allaah, I am the one who did it; she used to insult you and say bad things about you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not give up her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was kind to me. Last night she began to insult you and say bad things about you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her." Thereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Bear witness, there is no blood money due for her."

(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 3655)

It seems that this woman was a kaafir, not a Muslim, for a Muslim could never do such an evil action. If she was a Muslim she would have become an apostate by this action, in which case it would not have been permissible for her master to keep her; in that case it would not have been good enough if he were to keep her and simply rebuke her.

Al-Nasaa'i narrated (4071) that Abu Barzah al-Aslami said: A man spoke harshly to Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq and I said, 'Shall I kill him?' He rebuked me and said, 'That is not for anyone after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) .'" (Saheeh al-Nasaa'i, 3795)

It may be noted from this that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had the right to kill whoever insulted him and spoke harshly to him, and that included both Muslims and kaafirs.

The second issue is: if a person who insulted the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) repents, should his repentance be accepted or not?

The scholars are agreed that if such a person repents sincerely and regrets what he has done, this repentance will benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and Allaah will forgive him.

But they differed as to whether his repentance should be accepted in this world and whether that means he is no longer subject to the sentence of execution.

Maalik and Ahmad were of the view that it should not be accepted, and that he should be killed even if he has repented.

They quoted as evidence the Sunnah and proper understanding of the ahaadeeth:

In the Sunnah, Abu Dawood (2683) narrated that Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqaas said: "On the Day of the Conquest of Makkah, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) granted safety to the people except for four men and two women, and he named them, and Ibn Abi Sarh... As for Ibn Abi Sarh, he hid with 'Uthmaan ibn 'Affaan, and when the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) called the people to give their allegiance to him, he brought him to stand before the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said, "O Prophet of Allaah, accept the allegiance of 'Abd-Allaah." He raised his head and looked at him three times, refusing him, then he accepted his allegiance after the third time. Then he turned to his companions and said: "Was there not among you any smart man who could have got up and killed this person when he saw me refusing to give him my hand and accept his allegiance?" They said, "We do not know what is in your heart, O Messenger of Allaah. Why did you not gesture to us with your eyes?" He said, "It is not befitting for a Prophet to betray a person with a gesture of his eyes."

(Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood, 2334)

This clearly indicates that in a case such as this apostate who had insulted the Prophet (S), it is not obligatory to accept his repentance, rather it is permissible to kill him even if he comes repentant.

'Abd-Allaah ibn Sa'd was one of those who used to write down the Revelation, then he apostatized and claimed that he used to add whatever he wanted to the Revelation. This was a lie and a fabrication against the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and it was a kind of insult. Then he became Muslim again and was a good Muslim, may Allaah be pleased with him. Al-Saarim 115.

With regard to proper understanding of the ahaadeeth:

They said that insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has to do with two rights, the right of Allaah and the right of a human being. With regard to the right of Allaah, this is obvious, because it is casting aspersions upon His Message, His Book and His Religion. As for the right of a human being, this is also obvious, because it is like trying to slander the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by this insult. In a case which involves both the rights of Allaah and the rights of a human being, the rights of the human beings are not dropped when the person repents, as in the case of the punishment for banditry, because if the bandit has killed someone, that means that he must be executed and crucified. But if he repents before he is caught, then the right of Allaah over him, that he should be executed and crucified, no longer applies, but the rights of other humans with regard to qisaas (retaliatory punishment) still stand. The same applies in this case. If the one who insulted the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) repents, then the rights of Allaah no longer apply, but there remains the right of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which still stand despite his repentance.

If it is said, "Can we not forgive him, because during his lifetime the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forgave many of those who had insulted him and he did not execute them?" The answer is:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sometimes chose to forgive those who had insulted him, and sometimes he ordered that they should be executed, if that served a greater purpose. But now his forgiveness is impossible because he is dead, so the execution of the one who insults him remains the right of Allaah, His Messenger and the believers, and the one who deserves to be executed cannot be let off, so the punishment must be carried out.

Al-Saarim al-Maslool, 2/438

Insulting the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is one of the worst of forbidden actions, and it constitutes kufr and apostasy from Islam, according to scholarly consensus, whether done seriously or in jest. The one who does that is to be executed even if he repents and whether he is a Muslim or a kaafir. If he repents sincerely and regrets what he has done, this repentance will benefit him on the Day of Resurrection and Allaah will forgive him.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) wrote a valuable book on this matter, entitled al-Saarim al-Maslool 'ala Shaatim al-Rasool which every believer should read, especially in these times when a lot of hypocrites and heretics dare to insult the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) because they see that the Muslims are careless and feel little protective jealousy towards their religion and their Prophet, and they do not implement the shar'i punishment which would deter these people and their ilk from committing this act of blatant kufr [unbelief].

And Allaah knows best. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and all his family and companions.

Of course, the rioters around the world are targeting innocent people, but they consider them to be representatives of the U.S., which they hold responsible for the blasphemy. If Liepert were forthright about the entire tradition of Muhammad, he would admit that the Islamic prophet would be pleased by what has been going on these days.

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Terrorism works , so muslims don't have to


BTW
A second Public School ( London Ont) has now bowed down to the islamist thugs and opened a friday Mosque in the school for the 25 muslims out of a near 1400 students.
Why is this an issue????
because it's a CATHOLIC School that muslims want to incite a reponse to play the victim and go Jihad like the Toronto-18 muslims tried to do with truck-bombs to slaughter 10'000 canadians for allah.
The Muslims DEMANDED that the Mosque be next to the Christian Prayer Room that all the other kids are expect to use.


It will never ends folks, muslims will push and push until the get Shariag law in canada and use cabnada to launch war on the USA like Hizballah does from lebanon.

Savages.


http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/muslim-prayer-rooms-in-catholic-schools/1848034303001

to David Liepert: "how can we expect nonmuslims to believe that Islam ia religion of peace....."
you can 't, because it IS NOT! Anything you say or write is a lie and you are a deceiver, OR you actually believe Islam is a religion of peace and you are deceived yourself.
Islam is of the devil and an antiChrist religion and Muslims do the deeds that Satan commands to try and gain entrance to the great brothel in the sky , a mythical place of perpetual fornication and drunkenness.

"Muhammad included?" did he ever read anything about Muhammad's assassinations? Here's something for you Liepert..
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2012/03/assassin-english.html

Muslim mobs did not make liars of you. You ARE a liar and/or a nominal Muslim.

Oh brother, this brain-dead Canadian Muslim convert is either blatantly lying, or is so desperate to nurture his liberal white-guilt and self-hatred that he is delusional. Probably both. In the article, his argument that Islam is peaceful rests on the Treaty of Hudaibiyya, when Muhammad’s warlord activity against the Meccans was gaining in strength, but not quite strong enough yet to conquer Mecca, but he wanted Muslims to be able to make a pilgrimage there (for purely selfish reasons), so he negotiated a disadvantageous deal. He almost immediately unilaterally broke the treaty 18 months later and sacked Mecca.

Here’s the crux of this Liepert idiot’s argument for how all this makes Muhammad supposedly peaceful and sensitive and liberal:

But the following year, when the Medinians returned, and realized that somehow the entire Arab world had begun to unite behind them they realized what Muhammad had actually done. Because the religion Islam had to compete with to win over the hearts and minds of Arabia wasn't Christianity or Judaism, both of which he repeatedly confirmed would have been perfectly good religions, if only the Christians and Jews had followed them, and could still be again. No it was the way the Meccans, the Medinians and the Bedouins together -- regardless of which tribe they belonged to, or which religion they followed -- all worshiped male honor, and sometimes even worshiped masculinity itself.
By signing that agreement with Mecca, Muhammad subverted chauvinistic male self-worship --s omething men struggle with even toda y-- unmasked it for what it was and --for a time-- changed the world.
What kind of incoherent liberal white-guilt psychobabble is that? Look genius, it’s not that complicated: Mo was not peaceful. He was a frickin warlord who took Mecca by force and killed thousands. Your flakey rationalizations are really just embarrassing. Oprah laughs at you. Please stop existing, loser.

What else would one expect from a left-wing-libby-dhimmi who is absolutely immersed in the blabbering cacophony of PC rhetoric.

I am glad that there are people like Robert who are willing and I think to a degree who like to study this hateful, crazy, disgusting idealogy ISLAM to the minute detail. Thanks to people like Robert I have a good understanding of ISLAM. However, I do not want to know more about Koran or Hadiths or Mohammad or Sharia or any other crazy stuff this idealogy and its members offer anymore. I am sick of it. I want it to go away. I escaped from it (really from the culture with great influence from ISLAM, Turkey) 32 years ago. Why did we allow it to come to our country?

I know I can not escape it so I have to fight it off. What a waste of human lives and energy and money that we have to defend ourselves against an idealogy which makes no sense whatsoever. Shame, shame, shame.

"How can we expect non-Muslims to believe that Islam is a religion of peace, when Muslim mobs around the world make liars of us all, Muhammad included?"
Liepert (what's that - expert in lying?)

Actually, we don't. We really don't. Even dhimmis among us may say otherwise, but we know that it's not. And among the dhimmis among us, the reason they support you is not b'cos they believe that Muslims are peaceful, but exactly the opposite reason - they know that you're not, but are too scared to do anything other than to pretend that you are.

So don't worry about those demonstrations - we didn't need them to know that Muslims are about anything but peace.

ISLAM IS A TERRORIST ORGAINZATION
Q. 3:151, 59:2, 8:12, 8:59/60

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220 The prophet of Islam boasted,
“I have been made victorious WITH TERROR”

"Religion of Peace™? F*CK YOU — ISLAM IS A PLAGUE ON THIS PLANET"
Allah, the sadist — Q. 10:4 “… draughts of boiling fluids … because they did reject Him.”

98:6, 8:55 “Surely the vilest of animals in Allah ’s sight are those who disbelieve”
vs. 3:110 “Ye are the best of Peoples, evolved for mankind (Muslims)…” (same concept of "Adolf Nazi" with his Aryan cult SUPERman vs. subhuman beings, formost the Jews)

8:12 “…I (Pedo Allah 65:4) will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers…”

David Liepert, convert to Islam in Canada, bleated "How can we expect non-Muslims to believe that Islam is a religion of peace, when Muslim mobs around the world make liars of us all, Muhammad included?"

Simple answer: you can't.

More and more non-Muslims - lots in Australia, especially, after Saturday's little exhibition in *the* main shopping centre and park of our biggest city - are believing their lying eyes, and just aren't interested in the 'spin' any more.

We see the Muslim mobs, exactly the same no matter where they are, and we quietly - more and more of us - draw our own conclusions.

Friday 21st September is the International Day for Peace - has anyone told the Muslims?

Australians are waking up to the Muslim menace with no small effort from the Q Society www.qsociety.org.au who have been very effective in stopping mosque building in Australia. The Q Society are currently organising two public speaking engagements for Geert Wilders but are having difficulty getting visas, which usually take a day or so for an Islamic fundamentalist visitor.

A French magazine published a series of provocative cartoons Wednesday showing a nude Prophet Mohammed, likely to further fan the flames after a wave of Muslim protests over an anti-Islam film.

More than 30 people have been killed in attacks or violent protests linked to the controversial US-made film "Innocence of Muslims", including 12 people who died in an attack by a female suicide bomber in Afghanistan on Tuesday.

And fears that the anger could spread to Europe mounted Wednesday after French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo published cartoons caricaturing the Muslim prophet, including one showing his naked buttocks.

France stepped up security at its embassies in countries where there could be a hostile reaction to the cartoons, Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said, adding that he was "concerned" by the potential for a backlash.

The magazine's editor, originally a cartoonist who uses the name Charb, said the images would "shock those who will want to be shocked".

"The freedom of the press, is that a provocation?" he said. "I'm not asking strict Muslims to read Charlie Hebdo, just like I wouldn't go to a mosque to listen to speeches that go against everything I believe."

Charlie Hebdo is no stranger to controversy. Last year it published an edition "guest-edited" by the Prophet Mohammed that it called Sharia Hebdo and its offices in Paris were subsequently firebombed.

French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said anyone offended by the cartoons could take the matter to the courts after expressing his "disapproval of all excesses", but he emphasised France's tradition of free speech. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/french-magazine-risks-muslim-fury-cartoons-021919983.html

The only answer is making more films about Muhammad and Islam...

I found this video by Bill Werner is more apt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPwZ7MC3YPU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnW0EfHjdFk&feature=related

How Islam protect and control it's lies and deceiving by fear - ALLAHOPHOBIA

"Fear is the path to the Dark Side,
Fear leads to anger,
Anger leads to hate,
Hate leads to sufferin." ~ Yoda

Excellent presentation by Bill Werner. Cheers.

Ima

"Because the religion Islam had to compete with to win over the hearts and minds of Arabia wasn't Christianity or Judaism, both of which he repeatedly confirmed would have been perfectly good religions, if only the Christians and Jews had followed them, and could still be again."

We consider Muslims to be brain-dead, and they are in terms of critical thinking and analysis. But, we should not underestimate their powers of craft and persuasion.

Islam denies the divinity of Jesus. Whether this is true or false, Islam considers any Christian to be a non-believer, because a Christian does not believe in the Islamic version of Jesus. Similarly, in the Koran, all the Jewish prophets were Muslims, preordaining the prophethood of Muhammad. Therefore, Jews as we know them today are not really Jewish, as they do not follow the declarations of Islam.

Also, note, and I realize I'm preaching to the choir, that the Muslim moderates who condemn the violence do so because the mobs have injured and killed "innocent" Americans. What if the mobs had actually had the makers of the film? Would the moderate Muslims have criticized the mob for killing "guilty" kuffirs?

It is more than obvious that Islam is not compatible with the principles of American government and freedom. The more Muslims we import, the weaker that norm becomes.

I’m a non-Muslim who lived in an Islamic country and lived with Muslims in a small South Asian country for 30 years until I immigrated to Canada. And in that 30 years, I have NEVER come across any reference to show that Muslims are capable of living in peace with non-muslims.

Muslims are “hijackers” – whenever they see something good and pure, they will “hijack” it in name of Islam. Anything good belongs to their Allah and whatever others say about that which does not fit in their mindset are merely corruptions. In another word, they do not accept ANYTHING different from what their Al Quran have described. Which also means that your free will to choose and right of freedom to live will go to the dogs IF they were ever took control of your country. Lastly, of you want to know how “peaceful” Islam is, just go to http://www.google and search “Taubah 9:28″ (or Tawbah 9:28). It will show some colorful examples of Al Quran verses.

All I have to say is this:

Cursed be Allah, Lord of the wicked.

May the Peace and Blessings of Satan be upon His messenger, Muhammad the monkey (Piss be Upon Him), his family, his companions, his evil followers and the idiot pigs from amongst his nation.

May they forever wallow in the menses of reprobate whores and be compelled to wipe the s**t from the asses of infidels (Peace be Upon Them) with the pages of their reprehensible, unholy Quran.

Update:

"France in embassy alert over Prophet Muhammad cartoons"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19646748


I and some friends have been asking muslims on the internet who are complaining about the movie to give an example from the movie showing why it is untrue or offensive.

NONE of them has responded by giving a single example from the movie. They have only responded by frothing at the mouth and "accusing" everyone of being tricksy jews.

A few who thought themselves cunning demanded that, instead of they themselves proving why it's untrue, it was I who should tell them why it is true. My responce to that is "GOTCHA!" if they were really so upset by anything untrue they claimed they saw in the movie then they would have been able to give the example the instant the question was asked. Bluffing was just proof that they couldn't provide a specific example from the film that was offensive or untrue.

They get really really mad after that- yet still refuse to provide any examples.

They quote all the usual stuff from the koran but don't reference anything in the movie. Ever.

None of those muslims who were saying how false and offensive the movie was would say why.

Not. A. Single. One.

Try it yourselves.

I've noticed how many Western converts to Islam always try to sugarcoat the religion and/or graft their modern views of morality & ethics on it. I don't think it involves taqiyya either, but a form of bias sampling, where they cherry pick the most benign references to Muhammad's behavior from Hadiths and Quran.

Of course this enters the realm of bid'ah (innovation), which is heresy when applied to interpretations of Islam's established doctrines. Most of the Islamic world has no interest in reforming the religion to conform to modern, Western sensibilities and that is something these converts never seem to understand.

Many Muslims have worked very hard to prove by there own actions that Islam is not really a "religion of peace" but in reality a religion of violence and murder.

yes. when I went to the 9-11 conference here in NYC SION/ I met Debbie from Q society(i think her name was Debbie). we talked for a long time and she was very upbeat that the tides are changing in austrailia. great news!!!
M

This is the same charge - being leveled against Muhammad today.

That a lot of that stuff was just made up!

'Abd-Allaah ibn Sa'd was one of those who used to write down the Revelation, then he apostatized and claimed that he [*the Prophet*] used to add whatever he wanted to the Revelation. This was a lie and a fabrication against the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and it was a kind of insult.


The fact that these and other accusations made by people of the time - still ring true - prove that in Islam - truth is not given the highest priority - it is Muhammad's way - considered to be Allah's will - that is held above all else.

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Compare Jesus - who said 'I am the truth'.

And as it is written - no matter who they were - he saw in to their hearts - and saw that they were speaking the truth and that's when he would say theirs will be the kingdom of heaven.

Compare Muhammad who was 'offended' by the truth!!

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We are going have to tell these Muslims to behave or to back off in no uncertain terms.

**Mega** kudos to Charlie Hebdo ! These vicious, murdering savages need to be shown we will **not** kowtow to their foul 'religion', or their disgusting 'prophet.'

I wish just one UK paper or mag would have the courage to do the same. And kudos to the French PM, too, who has made it clear freedom of speech/expression is alive and well in France. If one of the tabloids published a mocking cartoon of paedomohammed, camoron would be on the bandwagon accusing them of 'hate speech.' Pusillanimous pipsqueak.

''May they forever wallow in the menses of reprobate whores and be compelled to wipe the s**t from the asses of infidels (Peace be Upon Them) with the pages of their reprehensible, unholy Quran.''

Great stuff !

barook, thanks for your perspective. I hope you'll become a regular poster here.

I was wondering, "with all these Islamophobia and lies being spread by mostly Zionist, traditional racist and their co-horts the Christian fundamentalist gangs against Islam and the Muslims and still Islam is growing two or three times faster than any other religion.

I am surprise to see even in country lime Mexico and central America, thousand s upon thousands of people are converting to Islam. Not to mention conversion of Anglos or whites in Europe and the United States particularly," white female converts.

Christian churches including Catholic churches spend billions to convert Muslim in Asia and Africa. The result is they miserably failed and obviously frustrated and joined the Zionist foot soldiers to spread Islamophobia as the last resort?

Dannyboy, Islam is growing mostly through reproduction, not conversion. This myth that white, Western females are converting to Islam in droves is a bizarre psychosexual fantasy found only in the mind of the Muslim male. Even if it were true (statistics tell us it is not), it does not make Islam correct. The popularity of an idea does not mean it is right, but that Muslims keep offering this logical fallacy as proof of 'Islam as best' tells much about their mindset.

Now run along little troll and leave the discussions & deliberations to us adults.

If Islam is spreading like ebola, then why is it that Christians are regularly imprisoned, just for being Christian? Why is it that Christians are imprisoned for proselytizing?

What does Islam have to fear?

You're a lying clown!

Islam is losing adherents by the thousand every day in Africa, for example. The trickle has turned to a flood!

Canada: Muslim leader asks, "How can we expect non-Muslims to believe that Islam is a religion of peace, when Muslim mobs around the world make liars of us all, Muhammad included?"
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Uh...except, as noted, Muhammed was a blood-stained psychotic who murdered anyone who dared to "insult Allah or his Prophet".

So—is this "Muslim leader" someone who knows almost nothing about his vile creed, or is this just more Taqiyya?

Here's more on David Liepert's shameless whitewashing of Islam, from Sheik Yer'Mami at Winds of Jihad:

http://sheikyermami.com/2011/11/19/dr-david-liepert-asshole-of-the-month/comment-page-1/

"danny" wrote:

I was wondering, "with all these Islamophobia and lies being spread by mostly Zionist, traditional racist and their co-horts the Christian fundamentalist gangs against Islam and the Muslims and still Islam is growing two or three times faster than any other religion.
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Well, Fascism spread pretty quickly at one point, too...

As others have already pointed out, even were your assertion correct, it would say nothing one way or another about the truth or desirability of Islam.

Also, one thing that regularly undercuts this argument is that there are almost twice the number of Christians world-wide as there are Muslims. If you are going to argue from shear numbers, then Christianity is the clear winner.

How inconvenient for Muslim supremacists!

Islam is 1400 + years old. As soon Zionism is exported back to Europe from occupied Palestine. Lets pray things will be better.

Six Million African Muslims Convert to Christianity Each Year

Al-Jazeerah Website

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles6/AlJazeerahAfrica.php

From the above article:

"Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned, Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. So in the section of Africa that we are talking about, the non Arab section, the number of Muslims does not exceed 150 million people. When we realize that the entire population of Africa is one billion people, we see that the number of Muslims has diminished greatly from what it was in the beginning of the last century. On the other hand, the number of Catholics has increased from one million in 1902 to 329 million 882 thousand (329,882,000). Let us round off that number to 330 million in the year 2000.

As to how that happened, well there are now 1.5 million churches whose congregations account for 46 million people. In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed.

From what I have heard from reliable sources, six million may be too low. Reliable accounts say that one hundred thousand Africans convert to Christianity per day . . ."

Another incredibly hopeful sign:

As many JWers know, I live in an area of the US with one of the largest immigrant Somali populations. Lately, an almost unheard-of sight: Somali converts to CHRISTIANITY unafraid to drive around the Twin Cities with crucifixes dangling from the rear-view mirrors of their cars and Christian symbols plastered all over the rear trunk areas. They don't fear retribution from the muslim locals - something that would be a certainty in their native Somalia - due to our system of laws and enforcement of freedom of religious expression in this country. There is a thriving newly-founded Somali Christian community in the Twin Cities with local TV programs in the Somali language complete with the singing of hymns, etc. It's heart-warming.

These new immigrants are corresponding with/bringing over/helping to convert their family members in Somalia. Long-distance evangelization!

This would be far more credible if the spokesperson were swarthy, spoke English in a South Asian accent, was located in Karachi, Dakka, Allahabad, or even London, and was named Ali Hassan rather than David Liepert. Liepert sounds like another intellectually peripatetic Western cultist who thinks he's doing the Dar-ul-Islam a very big favor by converting to its religion.

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