Dearborn imam calls for restriction of free speech: "They should put a law not to insult a spiritual leader"

Al-Husainy is a virulently antisemitic supporter of Hizballah. "Protesters to rally in Dearborn against anti-Islam film," by Niraj Warikoo for the Detroit Free Press, September 21 (thanks to Twostellas):

The largest mosque in Michigan is holding a rally this afternoon against the anti-Islam movie that has sparked controversy and violence around the world. It’s believed to be the first rally in the U.S. against the video, say Muslim leaders.

Hundreds are expected to rally after Friday prayers today outside the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, a Shia congregation that sits off Ford Road. Christian leaders are also expected to attend and speak at the rally, which will denounce both the video that ridicules Islam’s prophet and also the violence that ensued. So far, 45 people have died as a result of the video, according to the Associated Press. Today, at least 15 died and 168 were injured in Pakistan in protests over the film.

The rally in Dearborn will be a peaceful demonstration, say organizers. While there have been Muslim-American vigils across the U.S. for the killing of the U.S. Ambassador in Libya, “this is the first” rally in protest of the video, said Ibrahim Hooper, national spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a civil rights and advocacy group.

The Islamic center where today’s rally will be held has been the focus of controversy over the past year as anti-Islam groups have targeted it for protests. Quran-burning pastor Terry Jones fought a yearlong battle to protest outside the mosque and in June, a Christian group holding up signs denigrating Islam’s prophet rallied outside the mosque. A 47-year-old Dearborn man was charged after trying to run over the anti-Islam protesters.

Kassem Allie, an official with the Islamic Center, said the mosque respects free speech, which includes the right to state “abhorrent speech that is considered hateful.”

But he added “that good people of faith will not stand idly by and allow hate to triumph over truth, love and respect.”

At the same time as the rally at the Islamic Center, a similar protest will be held at the Karbalaa Islamic Educational Center, also in Dearborn. Imam Husham Al-Husainy said there should be restrictions on some speech that offends major religious figures, such as Jesus or Mohammed.

“They should put a law not to insult a spiritual leader,” Al-Husainy said. The U.S. government has said that while it doesn’t like the anti-Islam video, it respects free speech.

Regarding the tensions over the video, Al-Husainy said: “The only solution is to replace the hate with love.”

And a Sharia blasphemy law.

Dawud Walid, head of the Michigan branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, is to speak at the Islamic Center of America rally. He said he fully supports free speech, but added that the insulting and crude nature of the video wasn’t the type of civil discourse that America’s founding fathers had in mind.

Hooper said his group has been calling for peace, putting out statements and videos urging Muslims to be calm: “It’s a really tragic situation. You have a tiny minority of extremists who are intentionally provocative. They got exactly what they sought.”

"Tiny minority of extremists." Honest Ibe Hooper must have been laughing up his sleeve as he used that phrase, even to so credulous and pro-jihad a reporter as the thoroughly corrupt and compromised Niraj Warikoo.

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Poison gas has been generously used in world war one and against Jews and Kurds. Nobody but the victims and their families gave a hoot. There is no doubt that poison gas will be used again to control unruly mobs and burdensome populations. Nobody but the victims and their families will give a hoot.

You wrote that poison gas was used against the Jews and that "Nobody but the victims and their families gave a hoot."

Rubbish! The whole world put the perpetrators on trial. Many of them who took part in the 'Final Solution' were hanged. And the whole world is still concerned today that the Nazi's co-conspirator in the attempt to commit genocide against the Jews, Islam, will try to finish the job the Nazis were prevented from doing.

But modern day would-be perpetrators of Jewish mass slaughter will themselves be slaughtered. Israel will not stand idly by and let another holocaust take place!

You're a clown!

not to insult a spiritual leader--

And by 'spiritual leader' he obviously means Pedohammed, just like when they say that insults to 'all religions' should be outlawed they actually mean criticism of Islam should be outlawed. Taqiyya, taqiyya, taqiyya...

Al-Husainy said: “The only solution is to replace the hate with love.”

Tell that to Gabriel, he tried hard, real hard .. with no success at all!

http://crossmuslims.blogspot.com/2011/05/saint-and-sinner.html

yes. he is duplitios to say the least.
M

Kinda funny, as if these laws were made, and equally enforced, we would have to ban Islam. For all those apes and pigs, vilest of creatures, panting dogs, etc insults. Not to mention, the INCITEMENT to subdue, subjugate or kill non-Muslims and those who reject Islam. It sorta seems like it should be banned already, come to think of it. As we do have incitement laws already.

This joker can get in touch with me for a free first class ticket (one way) to any Islamic hell hole he would like to return to.

And any one can cal me dog pig monkey or ass just don't call me Muslim.

It's as if you escaped from a mental hospital ...

I care. And I'm not Jewish. But I am human. That separates me from savages who murder with gas and savages who think no one cares but the relatives of the murdered.

Calling that criminal a spiritual leader!!! Only in Islam the normal definitions are turned upside down. Everything criminal in normal human sphere is holy in Islam and everything holy for human beings is criminal in Islam.

The biggest criminal in history of mankind is regarded a spiritual leader of Muslims!! sigh.. the brain cells in these morons are totally dead that they can't distinguish between good and evil, moral and immoral and merrily go on killing, murdering, raping, looting,lying, cheating, deceiving(mo/allah is greatest deceiver!!) and on and on and think that they are doing it on orders of Mo/allah to please him!!

So far, 45 people have died as a result of the video, according to the Associated Press.

So there is a killer video on the loose now, is it? And all this time I thought is was the rabid mobs who were doing the killing. Thank you to the Associated Press for clearing that up for us.

Indonesia: Muslim terrorists plan to destroy the famous Borobudur temple: http://jihadonbuddhists.org/?p=115

Watch out for rampaging mobs of Buddhists burning embassies and raping diplomats.

"The largest mosque in Michigan is holding a rally this afternoon,"

Guns and knifes required of all Muslim males; full Muslim trappings (thobes, dishdashas, kanduras, thobes, plus tin hats) optional in anticipation of Halloween. Females, if properly covered, may carry Hate All Jews signs.

LOL,

Make note that the "extremists" and "radicals" so frequently referred to, are actually literalists; Muslims who believe--as Allah expects--that every word of the Qur'an is applicable to every Muslim, everwhere and for all time.

Honest Ibe, Uncle Nihad, and others who make reference to Muslim "extremists" and "literalists" know full well that the very best of Allah's slaves are those Muslims who are attempting to actually comply with the Qur'an's every word.

I'm listening to John 'I couldn't cite a single passage from the Qur'an if I had to' McCain telling Neil Cavuto's audience all about Muslim "extremists" just now.

American Muslims must be so pleased about this.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. I learned that when I was four years old.

Mahoundians need to learn it, and quick. Let's not let them off the hook. They must begin behaving like adults. We must not give in to their temper tantrums.

Dearborn imam calls for restriction of free speech: "They should put a law not to insult a spiritual leader"
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A "spiritual leader"? Joseph Smith? The Reverend Sun Myung Moon? Bahá'u'lláh?

*Nah*. this refers to Mo, and no one else.

More:

The largest mosque in Michigan is holding a rally this afternoon against the anti-Islam movie that has sparked controversy and violence around the world. It’s believed to be the first rally in the U.S. against the video, say Muslim leaders.
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Well, where else would it be but Dearbornistan? Of course, the pious Muslims of suburban Virginia and southern Florida might want to get in the act, too. And what about Minneapolis, Brooklyn, and Tennessee? They all might want to get in the act...

More:

Hundreds are expected to rally after Friday prayers today outside the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, a Shia congregation that sits off Ford Road. Christian leaders are also expected to attend and speak at the rally...
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Dhimmi tools.

More:

So far, 45 people have died as a result of the video, according to the Associated Press.
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What *utter crap*. These people were killed by crazed Muslims, not by "the video".

More:

While there have been Muslim-American vigils across the U.S. for the killing of the U.S. Ambassador in Libya...
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Really? First I've heard...sounds like more Taqiyya to me.

More:

Kassem Allie, an official with the Islamic Center, said the mosque respects free speech, which includes the right to state “abhorrent speech that is considered hateful.”

But he added “that good people of faith will not stand idly by and allow hate to triumph over truth, love and respect.”
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And what does this pious Muslim consider "hate"? Why, the "Innocence of Muslims" film, *not* his homicidal coreligionists, rampaging around the world murdering people.

Why don't Muslims hold a demonstration against *that*? (Rhetorica question).

More:

At the same time as the rally at the Islamic Center, a similar protest will be held at the Karbalaa Islamic Educational Center, also in Dearborn. Imam Husham Al-Husainy said there should be restrictions on some speech that offends major religious figures, such as Jesus or Mohammed.
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More Taqiyya. Most Americans would assume this refers to Islam and Christianity, but it does not. This is a reference to "Isa", the Muslim "Jesus". In other words, this is about Islam...and Islam.

Besides, what Christians are murdering people, screaming for blasphemy laws preventing anyone from "insulting the savior"? None, and none.

More:

Dawud Walid, head of the Michigan branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, is to speak at the Islamic Center of America rally. He said he fully supports free speech, but added that the insulting and crude nature of the video wasn’t the type of civil discourse that America’s founding fathers had in mind.
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Uh....right. What the founding fathers had in mind instead, surely, was Muslim mobs out in the streets calling for the blood of the film maker and the imposition of Shari'ah law! sarc/off

More:

Hooper said his group has been calling for peace, putting out statements and videos urging Muslims to be calm: “It’s a really tragic situation. You have a tiny minority of extremists who are intentionally provocative. They got exactly what they sought.”
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More grotesque moral equivalency. In this scenario, Mr. Nakoula's film trailer showing the violent oppression of the Copts and its roots in the life of Islam's founder becomes of a piece with the crazed mobs who burned down our embassies and murdered our ambassador and his staff.

*Sickening*.

@chowching

Poison gas has been generously used in world war one and against Jews---

Your comrades gassed the jews, you islamonazi dolt. And it was in the second world war you ignoramus dirtbag!.

Feel the love:

    Al-Husainy said: “The only solution is to replace the hate with love.”

    But he added “that good people of faith will not stand idly by and allow hate to triumph over truth, love and respect.”

Yes! Our Christian brothers are joining us here today!!


Notice that 'respect' on the end - because for Islam that is what comes before truth and most definitely love.

Muhammad demanded respect!


    Christian leaders are also expected to attend and speak at the rally, which will denounce both the video that ridicules Islam’s prophet...


Islam has almost become the cuckoo in the nest - it pushes the others birds out and demands food constantly.

Even though - there is also the issue of the oppressed Coptic Christians - guaranteed none of these attending Christian leaders will bring it up.

It's Islam's feeding time!!


Here's Hooper:

    “It’s a really tragic situation. You have a tiny minority of extremists who are intentionally provocative. They got exactly what they sought.”

... that people are so angry and so fed up - they have to make a provocative film about your Prophet...

And through this - Islam has been injured - and in its honor Muslims embrace their victim-hood once again.


What was Salman Rushdie's crime against Islam ~ again!

If people want to apologize - and say that we are so sorry - people got so upset about their treatment under Islamic rule - and they printed a provocative picture - in protest - fine - but the laws stay the same.

chowching wrote:

Poison gas has been generously used in world war one and against Jews and Kurds. Nobody but the victims and their families gave a hoot. There is no doubt that poison gas will be used again to control unruly mobs and burdensome populations. Nobody but the victims and their families will give a hoot.
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The grotesque Muslim apologist chowching has been spamming variants of this stupidity all over the threads for the past day or two.

I believe his implication is that it is the rampaging Muslims mobs that are—somehow—*really* at risk—not the victims they have slaughtered.

This also—absurdly—attempts to imply a sort of moral link between the innocent Jewish victims of the Holocaust and homicidal Jihad mobs.

And who, exactly, is planning on using poison gas on these mobs? On one of the other threads chowching asserted—implausibly—that it is "Hitler's disciples". Somehow, I must have missed those Neo-Nazi losers with their fleets of crop-dustin' planes capable of sustained international flights.

Not only is this just absurd, but if Neo-Nazis *did* have such capabilities, it is doubtful that they would use such weapons against Jihadists, with whom they share so many ugly aims.

This sort of stupidity just shows how far Muslims will go to paint themselves as victims.

Amongst the many hundreds, likely thousands of jew hating, christian hating videos on the net- that one from 2005', where the Syrians produced an entire TV series with one particular segment showing religious jews, sneaking to capture a non jewish boy, to kill him, so they could drain his blood and use it in the passover matzo.
Can you imagine....? the people who created the notion that drinking the blood of anything killed was a sin to be removed and the beginning of making a series of prayers of gratitude
for sustenance, are then photoshopped doing the one thing that is paramount in their religion and religious commitment? Only muslims, nazi's christians from 500 yrs ago
used such scurrilous, viciously untrue hatreds and lies.
But... the muslims do it now, and often and the nerve of these muslims to never note their guilt and belief and use of that belief in their disguised jew hatred.

Someone should show the youtube video: go to youtube, search for Syrian jewish blood libel and pull it up- and make that foul crowd answer on the spot to the lies of their faith and culture and for now killing 45 people including the rape of the American ambassador.

@gravenimage

The victimizers trying to portray themselves as the victims. Typical diversion tactic of pedohammedans...

muhammad was a BAD spiritual leader: the blind leading the blind.

Jesus said ...

"And he spake a parable unto them: Can the blind lead the blind? Shall they not both fall into the ditch?" -- Luke 6:39

“that good people of faith will not stand idly by and allow hate to triumph over truth, love and respect.”

That's why many good people of faith oppose Islam and its lying bunch of Islamic apologist. They want the ugly truth about Islam to be known, that Islam is largely about hate of the infidel and the denying of respect for him ("the worst of creatures" Sura 98:6) as essentially ordered in the Koran, which is especially hateful of Jews.

Do the spiritual leaders in question include Terry Jones? He is, after all, a Pentecostal pastor.

The choice is becoming starker with each passing year----Islam or freedom. And I have to laugh when someone, particularly a Muslim, wants to lecture us on how they're for freedom but then almost immediately indicates that insulting a religion or its founder should be off limits, even to the extent of making such an insult illegal. A person like this has a very distorted concept of freedom. No exceptions.

Yep, it's Islam or freedom. Can't have both.

Which Way, America?

(A) The way of the Founders/Framers
or
(B) The way of the Islam/EU/USSR/UN model

There’s no middle road.

Under (A) rights are inalienable, inherent in simply existing. Government exists, with the consent of the governed, solely to protect those rights.

Under (B) rights are “granted” by government which exists unto itself regardless of the consent of the governed, acting as the final arbiter. Here, what government “gives” can as easily be taken away.

Well, fellow Americans, which do you want, (A) or (B)? There is no other choice.

The idea of centralism was always a false premise. Moving toward a “compromising center” always means abandoning your founding principles. And you will note that all “compromise” moves in one direction only, toward that of more government.

Do we want freedom FROM government via limited, constitutional government whereby government itself is bound by law, or do we want total government. There is no middle position. Madison (Fed. 51) put it this way, “If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.”

Rather than government being dependent on the people, as Madison et alia had hoped, today we witness Obama and his crowd of his crowd of leftists (including all submitting Muslims and all historical lefties from Wilson, FDR, LBJ, et alia) inverting the Framers’ ideal to the point that the people, and as many as possible, must be made dependent on the government for their “rights.”

Which way indeed.

Dearborn Michiganistan, ....

Where lots and lots of muslim assholes that look like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykd-syzZ4ZY

put your cars together.

Thank God all the Corvettes are made here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD7ipFXq9NQ

The Corvette builders drink lots and lots of high caffeine coffee before coming to work.

They work fast, efficiently, and excellently.

A lot of NFL scouts pluck their cornerbacks from this very plant.

When the work day is done at the Corvette Plant, the Corvette assemblers usually stop off at a Bowling Green shooting range before heading home. At the shooting range they fire at these images, which have bull's eye's on them:

http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/islamic_mo_full/

I, your friend Paleo, will be personally renaming all the mohammad artwork in the world to "mohammad the asshole and chief termite of islam" ...

... big job, yeah, but this is a job that has to be done.

"Imam Husham Al-Husainy said there should be restrictions on some speech that offends major religious figures, such as Jesus or Mohammed."


Mohamed it DEAD!

It is impossible to insult him.

No belief system/religion/mythology can have rights, thoughts and beliefs cannot be protected from insult or mockery.


I respect everyone's right to believe what they want...that doesn't mean that I have to respect the belief.

Good analysis, EM. The Founding Fathers of America were a brief shining moment of what man at his best can and should aspire to. Those others you mentioned, i.e., Islam, the EU, the USSR and UN, are replete with the worst that man can descend to. A stark contrast indeed, just like that between Islam and freedom.

"The only solution is to replace the hate with love."

Okay, then let's start with YOU, Mr John-Lennon-Spiritual-Leader. Get to work on that Koran of yours and replace all the hate with love.

That should keep you and your team off the streets for a while!

Iran's Ahmadinejad on Holocaust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykd-syzZ4ZY

Thank you Paleologos for the link.

I was interested in what he said when used on recent events of the amateur documentary 'Innocence of Muslims' instead of Holocaust:

"If this event happened - if it was a historical event, then we should allow everyone to research it and study it. The more research and studies are done, the more we can become aware of the realities that happened. We still leave open to further studies absolute knowledge of science or math. Historical events are always a subject to revision and reviews and studies. We are still revising our thoughts about what happened over thousands of years ago. Why is it that those who ask questions are persecuted. Why is there everywhere such sensitivity and prohibition on further studies on the subject. Where as we can openly question God, the prophets, concepts such as freedom and democracy."

Really? We can openly question God and the prophets? Then why is there such sensitivity and prohibition? Why are those who ask questions persecuted?

Could it be that studies lead to conclusions that will become mainstream knowledge and undermine religious leaders? Could it be because Islam would struggle to survive in its current form in a world of free speech and Internet?


I agree. When the people finally throw off Islamic theocracy, I don't think they should insult the bloated bodies of blood-thristy, pederast mullahs, ayatollahs, shieks and imams as they swing gently in the wind hanging from a crane, lamp post or whatever gibbet device those "spirtual leaders" used on innocents under sharia law.

Who gets to decide what an insult is? What is a spiritual leader? Who gets this treatment?

It would be wonderful if everyone were sensitive and careful and all knowing that they would never insult each other. But that's not reality. Reality is that these are just words and the the response from many of the Islamic religion has been very violent, intolerant, and disproportionate.

The bottom line is this: Islamic fundamentalists will have to learn to live with the rest of the world, or they will suffer badly. If Dearborn is to thrive in the future, they will have to learn how the rest of the world works. Nobody conforms to anyone else unless they want to.

We don't want to.

ford road used to be a nice drive on my way to downtown
detroit till they erected that prison on the north side
between telegraph and southfield.now i just take the freeway
and avoid the view altogether.

Islam and their leaders have a problem if speaking out and writing articles against religions are outlawed, because according to the Bible, religions like Islam are declared to be false by their very theology. Christianity and Islam are mutually exclusive as far as truth is concerned and Islam even goes so far as to claim that it the Bible has been corrupted, already making it (Islam) guilty "inciting hatred" against Christianity and Christians!

Hear, hear.

The Islamic street has probably been told by its "spiritual leaders" that the American public is too stupid and naive to know about what Islamic leaders tell their followers.

The quality of trolls at JW is going steadily downhill ...

Al-Husainy is absolutely right. It is wrong to insult spiritual leaders.

I would like to use this opportunity to apologize for everything I have ever said about Jim Jones. I now see how horribly insensitive that was.

Please forgive me.

Kassem Allie, an official with the Islamic Center, said the mosque respects free speech, which includes the right to state “abhorrent speech that is considered hateful.”
But he added “that good people of faith will not stand idly by and allow hate to triumph over truth, love and respect.”
The U.S. government has said that while it doesn’t like the anti-Islam video, it respects free speech.
Regarding the tensions over the video, Al-Husainy said: “The only solution is to replace the hate with love.”


Reaction: Nobody demands that Muslims are standing by idly, remain silent, only that they refrain from violence.

What Muslims and many others call hate-speech is often actually Protesting-Exposing-Accountable holding. And "hate-speech" as long as it stops short at inciting to violence explicitly is hugely overrated as a societal problem. It only hurts feelings, not bodies. Especially if people can avoid watching/ hearing it, as it can be on the internet, tv, media.

Muslims and many others try to overcome this "hate-speech" with some kind of censorship, discouragement by disparaging the perceived hateful message. But they can also react with more of the love and respect.

So that the ratio of love and respect to hate becomes or remains high. In the way of: If "hate" reaches "100 points", let us "increase love and respect to 100 points or more".

Let some people "hate" and other people "love and respect". This is the democratic way.

But let us not try to decrease "hate" to zero. This is the dictatorial way. It suggests that no matter how many people and how often people are loving and respectful, it will all be considered to be brought to nought if there is some "hate"-message that upsets the religious feelings and beliefs of Muslims.

"The quality of trolls at JW is going steadily downhill ..."

So true, Jan ...

Shrieks ! Good one, Kepha !

And you're a FOOL! Poison gas was advocated HERE to be used against mOHAMMADAN mobs. Which it shall, indeed, be, at least BY mohammadans, AGAINST some mohammadan heretic mob.

And you're a FOOL! Poison gas was advocated HERE to be used against mOHAMMADAN mobs. Which it shall, indeed, be, at least BY mohammadans, AGAINST some mohammadan heretic mob.

In Detroit's own backyard, and I have to read Jihad Watch to find out what is going on in Dearborn. The Detroit News is so wimpy! Thanks Mr. Spencer.

Jessp,

You are welcome for the link.

Ahmadinejad has a vested interest in his idiotic attempt to deny the Holocaust.

The reason is his rat bastard muslim rat predecessors, who were rats, as all muslims are today, and have been ever since asshole rat bastard mohammad was hatched under a rock, with a family of rats, circa 1450 A.D., (did I get the word rat in sufficiently?),

during the Holocaust times ---------

HELPED HITLER ROUND UP THE JEWS!

Check this out:

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5292/clueless-lefties-completely-ignorant-about-hitlers-ties-to-the-muslims/

Thanks, Jan. I couldn't help myself.

Will this go both ways? The same sanctions on those who insult Jesus.

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