Dhimmi Christian Jim Wallis to Pamela Geller: "Please stop talking"

And yet the same media have covered up the islamist attacks on twenty (20) of our Embassies....

not one story on those attacks

Once again the Truth is eclipsed by fear and dhimmi-dysfunctionality ...

Pamela stands for Truth! ..and she is courageous, strong and beautiful, too!

The host asked Pamela why she didn't confront "fundamentalist muslims" instead ..well, she did! That's why she chose the word "JIHAD" in her ad. I mean Hello! What in the sam hill is he talking about ....

Wallace repeatedly refers to the ad as 'the language of hate' ie. Hate speech. Pamela I would live to see you rub his nose in it in future ads by using the biblical language. 'den of vipers' comes to mind.
It angers me that a so called Christian would join this nonsensical conversation where instead of talking about the very obvious atrocities committed in the name of jihad, they choose to split hairs over all possible meanings of the word savage or jihad.
Wallace says he believes the bible! Here's sone bible for you Wallace. You blind guide!! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. Woe to you sir!! From Jesus Christ in Matthew 23:24.

Pamela was just great in that clip. This is how we all have to be. We have to be relentless. We have to keep our heads together, yet be relentless. We have to (as Obama is so fond of saying) get in their faces. And we have to throw concern for our personal safety away completely, or we will lose. My advice: speak loudly and strap up.

Wallis is also an Obama whore and a Socialist.

Sometimes love must be TOUGH ...yes, the Bible teaches us to love our enemies, but it also instructs us to hate evil:

"Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good." -- Romans 12:9

And love sets boundaries with evil ...

Jim Wallis is a dangerous-dhimmi and he needs to "stop talking".

We must shout the truth about the evils of Islam and their vile pseudo prophet Mohammed from the roof tops, if needed, to wake the slumbering masses.

Hmm, is Jim Wallis poster Peter? Maybe ..they both suffer from the same wrongheaded stupidity.

Jim Wallis is a great man and a true Christian
21st century dhimmis in the United States are those who hide behind internet and ambush.

True patriots are those who join United States Armed Forces and serve this country and face every enemy.

All dual citizen should serve in the U.S Armed Forces or declare DHIMMIS.

So, Jim Wallis is calling for more Flavor Aid, but only for non-Muslims. Will he force them to drink it, and their kids and Toto too?

Jim Wallis said that the ads would be used to "recruit more for their side[.]" at 6:30. What "side" would that be?

He can take out an ad in NY instructing everybody, not excluding Muslims, to love their neighbors. Or, is he afraid of offending Muslims if he used phaseology that implied that they too might need such a suggestion?

He can take out an ad to run in Gaza instructing them -- "their side" -- to love their non-Muslim neighbors. Would non-Muslims "pay" if he took out such an ad with its message of love?

The host ...asks Geller why she is throwing a match into a powder keg.

The confused silly dhimmi can't see that the problem is not a match but the powder keg.

It doesn't occur to him that the very presence of the powder keg in our midst should be questioned and deplored while those who encouraged and facilitated the growth of the powder keg should be condemned.

The guy is beyond pathetic

I am a Christian and that guy certainly does not speak for me as well as a good percentage of other Christians I'm sure. He represents the "cowardly" spoken about in the end times and someday he will have to answer to God. Keep up the great work Pamela. Western civilization will owe you a debt of gratitude.

How does Jim Wallis know that Pamela Geller is motivated by hate?

Does he have a thought/emotion reader?

Jim Wallis' thought reader may be in need of re-calibration because is not working very well.

Well done Pamela Geller! Careful and composed rebuttals to standard stack of abuse!

In asking "Why throw a lit matched into a powder keg" the host recognizes on the one hand that the Mohammedan world goes berserk at any provocation but on the other hand fails to recognize that jihadis are already at war with us. If the goodwill of "moderate" Mohammedans is so precariously balanced so as to be driven into the arms of jihad when jihad is called savage, then their veneer of moderation is very thin indeed.

Pamela Geller is getting to be a pro at these news interviews.

As heroic and truthful as the savages ad is, I wonder if a more purely informational ad about jihad and sharia would not be more effective and convince more bystanders. The term savages is accurate, but it is rhetorically aggressive. One could instead simply recount in a neutral voice some key stats and facts about jihad and sharia, perhaps quote a short, shocking hadith, and let all that speak for itself. Subway riders who read the ads will then formulate in their own minds what the facts presented mean: that we are dealing with savages or something similar. And those riders will have the factual basis for the label. Further, when someone spray paints an ad that is neutral and factual in style, then the undecided observer will be less likely to interpret what is going on as a pissing match between ad maker and spray painter, and instead will see the vandal spray painter for what s/he is: an Islamic supremacist or ally of Islamic supremacists, trying to censor any criticism of Islam.

In any event, there's room for various approaches to educating the public. Varied audiences need varied teachers.

Something one can notice in this clip is the extent to which Geller agrees with Spencer's stances on a number of key issues. Both sometimes tend to refuse to criticize Islam in a wholesale fashion, and instead focus on jihad, just as both insist on distinguishing between Muslims who are supremacists and Muslims who want nothing to do with supremacism (sharia and jihad).

Elsewhere, one finds Geller in agreement with Robert Spencer's position on Obama. Geller, like Spencer, states that she doesn't care whether Obama is a Muslim or not. Geller, like Spencer, says it doesn't matter, what matters are Obama's actions, which have been very helpful to the Islamic supremacists. Geller and Spencer both seem to think that Obama is not a Muslim, just an Islamophile.

Nothing wrong with two people being very much on the same page. My impression is that the above points of agreement arose because Geller is a very keen student of Spencer. But from Spencer's remarks, it seems clear also that he considers himself a keen student of Geller's brilliance as an activist.

The newsman gets a bit confused by his own metaphor of matches and powderkegs, and thus loses sight of the obvious. If we just look at the more literal facts for a moment, we find that Geller has never applied actual matches to powderkegs; all she does is speak and write. It is jihadists who light the actual matches -- or use whatever means -- to set off their real explosives. The suicide bomber who straps on an explosive vest and then walks into a crowded pizza parlor or public bus doesn't wait for Geller to make the cell phone call that will initiate the electric charge that then detonates the explosive vest. The jihadist or his jihadist buddies set off the bomb. But somehow the news guy loses sight of that incredibly obvious and key fact.

Jim Wallis is the real bigot because he stance on muslims is to presuppose they are prone to murder and violence so we must not set them off since they can murder people so easily.
It's like saying that if we don't re-elect Obama all the blacks will riot and torch buildings. You would have to be a true ignorant bigot to assume Blacks would do that just as this Minister assumes muslims will riot and kill over an AD in new York.

Wallis seems to know that muslims will riots and kill, or at least he believes that as true, so who is the bigot now jim????

In the middle of the plaza in old Santa Fe, New Mexico, stands a memorial to those who died in the battles against in Apaches and Navajo, which followed the federal government's war against those tribes who had been pillaging and enslaving the Pueblo Indians and other people then living in the areas surrounding these tribes; the memorial speaks of the "savages" who were pacified by Kit Carson's campaigns. The word "savages" was partially chiseled out several decades ago, and an explanatory addition was placed alongside the old plaque. "Savages" would have applied in the contemporary mind of the inhabitants of the Rio Grande River Valley to those Dinei tribes whose members were committing atrocities against them. but for those of us who lack this perspective, it indeed appears "racist" and xenophobic.

When most Americans see the word "savages" they associate it with a bygone racism and world view that was employed against some of our land's native people, and the word causes them to react negatively and viscerally, without thinking of Ms. Geller's intentions behind the modern, anti-jihadist poster in the New York City subways. I have to admit that I personally found it to be a poor choice of words, though I have since changed my mind.

We are indeed faced with a savagery: Jihadist violence and intolerance and its growth in the Muslim world and in the midst of those Muslims who share that view and who are living in our countries.

Ms. Geller is right in what she says.

Mr. Wallis and others need to understand the projection which I think is transpiring on their part.

Jim Wallis, can you say "useful idiot"?

Wallis is right in one way - don't use hateful language, (in order to be more effective and not risk alienating potential allies).

PG is right - we must speak the truth.

How about this?:

“There have been more than 19,860 deadly terror attacks by Jihadists, since 9/11, with hundreds and thousands of casualties. The Jihad began long before 9/11 and is continuing with increased fury today.

Israel is at the forefront in the fight against Jihad. Support Israel in the fight against Jihad. Join the fight to defeat Jihad and its barbaric perpetrators and supporters.”

Lets see moderate Muslims coming to the support of Jihad. Now they are cloaking it by claiming victim status - look she called us Savages! Uncivilised!

No ambiguity about the “civilised man”, "savages", nothing that could be pinned as “hateful language”

Or other suggestions. Why not have a competition about the best ad. Or must we get sidetracked into defending the use of “the civilised man”.

Wallis said that he defended attacks against Christians in Muslim countries. In what way? How come we never heard him? How come the world hasn’t heard of his protests?

For better or worse the world has heard of Pamela Geller.

Wallis is right in one way - don't use hateful language, (in order to be more effective and not risk alienating potential allies).

PG is right - we must speak the truth.

How about this?:

“There have been more than 19,860 deadly terror attacks by Jihadists, since 9/11, with hundreds and thousands of casualties. The Jihad began long before 9/11 and is continuing with increased fury today.

Israel is at the forefront in the fight against Jihad. Support Israel in the fight against Jihad. Join the fight to defeat Jihad and its barbaric perpetrators and supporters.”

Lets see moderate Muslims coming to the support of Jihad. Now they are cloaking it by claiming victim status - look she called us Savages! Uncivilised!

No ambiguity about the “civilised man”, "savages", nothing that could be pinned as “hateful language”

Or other suggestions. Why not have a competition about the best ad. Or must we get sidetracked into defending the use of “the civilised man”.

Wallis said that he defended attacks against Christians in Muslim countries. In what way? How come we never heard him? How come the world hasn’t heard of his protests?

For better or worse the world has heard of Pamela Geller.

"hundreds of thousands" even and "Or must we get sidetracked into defending the use of “the civilised man” and "savages" "

"Hate language"

You mean the Koran?

"We have spoken out...against violence and discrimination against Christians in Iraq, Iran, uh, India,..."

Yeah, how's that workin' for ya. How many lives did that "speaking out" save? Are your Muslim Masters listening?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Don't shoot the messenger, excellent end-point from Pamela Geller.

"Note how thoroughly he has absorbed the dhimmi mindset: he assumes that if Muslims become violent, it is the fault of non-Muslims, who must adjust their behavior in order to placate them."

Thanks Robert.

Where are the "LOVE YOUR CHRISTIAN NEIGHBORS" ads put up by Muslims?

Read "The Professors" and "Ivory Towers On Sand" and you'll get an appreciation of where this "newscaster" is coming from. He's a product of a liberal university. I'll betcha five bucks.

And maybe I'm wrong, but every interview with Geller I've seen has started out with the imbicilic question "why did you do this?"

And that dumb-ass priest. This is the same type of Catholic creep who capitulated and colaborated with the Nazis. For exactly the same reasons. These A-holes never learn.

If I could afford it I'd send them both a copy of the following books:

SHORT LIST (See Full list Facebook page)
1. The Haj by Leon Uris
2. Muslim Mafia by Gaubatz and Sperry
3. Because They Hate by Brigitte Gabriel
4. Slavery, Terrorism and Islam by Peter hammond
5. The Professors: The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America by David Horowitz
6. Ivory Towers On Sand: The Failure of Middle Eastern Studies in America by Martin Kramer
7. The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism by Andrew G. Bostom
8. The Legacy of Jihad by Andrew G. Bostom MD

Frightened little Jimmy is a dhimmi/dhimmi enabler all right, and besides being a delusional & unwilling defender of Western values, I say he's an inadequate witness for Christianity as well.

Christians are taught in the NT, specifically within 1 & 2 John, that those who deny the divinity of Jesus are anti-Christs, a group which happens to include Muslims. Is anyone willing to bet that little Jimmy wouldn't consider open/free public expression of that belief to be mean, dehumanizing "hate speech"?

Little Jimmy, a troubled, annoying, unhappy, and passive-aggressive control freak, is the one who should stop talking, and should seek some therapy for his dysfunction instead...

Jim Wallis can call himself a Christian, but that doesn't mean he actually is one. In fact, he is not a Christian. He is a Marxist / liberation theologist whose personal opinions have nothing to do with the declarations made by Christ or orthodox Christianity as presented by the apostles and church fathers.

We had their methods, Jewish & Christian alike with the peaceful approach toward evil, which is even contradictory to the bible itself. The result was the dhimmitude for centuries and the holocaust. Ww2 taught us that evil, is to be fought against, not given kisses and handing flowers to it.

wallis, we hew to the line and let the chips fall where they may.

wallis, we hew to the line and let the chips fall where they may.

A text for Wallis
Ephesians 4:15 "speaking the truth in love"
It is not love to remain silent in the face of evil and it is not hate to speak the truth.
Wallis is confused.

Wallis needs to remove all trappings of his Christian heritage and report to the nearest mosque to be taught how to be a good little dhimmi. He is a disgrace to his calling. In the army of Christ's soldiers, he is the Benedict Arnold. Leave us Mr Wallis. Go from the sight of Christian men and women. Go collect your pieces of silver from your Islamic masters.

اليس يحتاج إلى إزالة جميع مظاهر التراث المسيحي وتقديم تقرير إلى أقرب مسجد لتدريسه كيف يكون ذميا جيدة قليلا. انه عار على دعوته. في الجيش من الجنود المسيح، وقال انه هو أرنولد بنديكت السادس عشر. ترك لنا السيد واليس. الانتقال من مشهد الرجال والنساء المسيحيين. انتقل جمع القطع من الفضة من سادتكم الإسلامية.

Wallis is f***ing spineless and should be ashamed... all that talk of "hateful" speech. When people start saying shit like that they get tuned out immediately by people of sense.

I feel dizzy after listening to these men talk. Wallis again repeats the same tired moral equivalency: "Fundamentalism is a problem in all religions." It's so clear that he feels compelled to treat all Muslims with a kid glove as if they are all ready to explode. (speaking of lowered expectation! Does he not realize that he is showing his own bias?)

Despite the fact Pamela's ad VERY CLEARLY states Jihad, not Islam or Muslims, these two men adamantly insist her language is HATEFUL. Willis pleaded with her to please stop talking!!

Hello. Hello !!! Here we have another of Winston Churchill's appeasers who want to feed the crocodile in the hope it will eat them last.

Great job, Pamela!

If Wallis and his gang of wolves in sheep's clothing really loved Muslims - and Jesus - they would have the guts to tell them they are sinners (Rom.3:23) trapped in a false and demonic religion (1Cor.10:10; 1Jn4:3) whose only hope is to turn to Jesus (Rom.10:9).

But the Word of God is a reproach to them. They want to make friends, not converts. They say "peace, peace" when there is no peace. May the Lord reward them according to their works.

Being valiant for the truth is Christ-like. Again, great job, Pamela!

For Wallis
The Spiritual works of Mercy
1.To instruct the ignorant.
2.To counsel the doubtful.
3.To admonish sinners.
4.To bear wrongs patiently.
5.To forgive offenses willingly.
6.To comfort the afflicted.
7.To pray for the living and the dead.

And here are the Corporal works of Mercy
1.To feed the hungry.
2.To give drink to the thirsty.
3.To clothe the naked.
4.To shelter the homeless.
5.To visit the sick.
6.To ransom the captive.
7.To bury the dead.