Good news: $1.6 billion annual aid to Egypt not in jeopardy

Why not?

Seriously, why not?

Dhimmi fools.

"State Department official: Egypt aid not in jeopardy, though US having 'frank' talks," by James Rosen for FoxNews.com, September 14, 2012

A senior State Department official tells Fox News the United States' $1.6 billion annual aid to Egypt, the large majority of which goes to the Egyptian military, is not in jeopardy of being withdrawn at this time. "We are having some very frank conversations" with the Egyptians, the aide said.

The U.S. military maintains close, strong and direct contact with Egypt's military, the official said, adding that diplomatic contact between the two nations also continues "at all levels," up to and including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, whom the aide said had placed calls to top Egyptian officials in the past 72 hours.

Another senior administration official confirmed a New York Times account that President Obama did indeed place a phone call to Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi and discuss with him the need for Egypt to take adequate steps to protect U.S. personnel in the country. Obama additionally asked Morsi to make a public statement -- and the U.S. president is "greatly appreciative" that Morsi did so, the official said....

Yes, all is well now.

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Good news: $1.6 billion annual aid to Egypt not in jeopardy

Why not?

Seriously, why not?
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Why not, indeed? Calls for war against Israel, the oppression and outright murder of their Coptic minority, and now attacks on our embassy—which led to the murder of four members of our diplomatic staff, including our ambassador in neighboring Libya—how can any of this be considered reason enough to stop the Jizya?

I had *hoped* that Obama's speech noting that Egypt was not exactly an ally *might* represent a belated realization of where the "Arab Spring" was headed, but I realized that was probably too much to hope for.

More:

A senior State Department official tells Fox News the United States' $1.6 billion annual aid to Egypt, the large majority of which goes to the Egyptian military, is not in jeopardy of being withdrawn at this time.
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Hey—when the time comes, they can use our adi against our staunch ally Israel...

More:

"We are having some very frank conversations" with the Egyptians, the aide said.
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And since the Egyptians realize that there will no consequences if they ignore us, I'm sure those "frank conversations" will be very fruitful...sarc/off

Does anyone know what happened to Ali Sina's websites faithfreedom.org and alisina.org?? They seem to be down for almost 4 days now.

The utter stupidity of Obama, Clinton and the State Department generally in ignoring clear warnings mirrors very closely the stupidity exhibited by Stalin in the years and months leading up to the Nazi invasion of 1941. Daniel Pipes neatly described that particular situation, back in 1997:

"Throughout the first half of 1941, Stalin had a great abundance of accurate information about German activities and plans, all of it accurately pointing to Hitler's plans.

"The warnings began in January 1941, with a U.S. government alert based on information from Berlin; this was confirmed by further American admonitions, letters from Winston Churchill, and a wide range of Soviet sources (including embassy sources in Berlin, the brilliant Richard Sorge reporting from Tokyo, and others). By late March, Moscow was steeped in rumors of approaching disaster. In perhaps a unique act of diplomacy, the German ambassador to Moscow on 19 May revealed the date of his government's invasion plan. One defector from the Nazi forces who told of an imminent invasion was ignored; another was summarily executed for spreading disinformation. In all, the Kremlin received one hundred or more separate warnings of a Nazi assault.

"Beyond these diverse and authoritative sources, Soviet commanders at the front could see for themselves the massive German preparations. The Nazi assault forces, prepared over a ten-month period, ranged along an 1,800-mile front from the Baltic coast to the Black Sea […]

"Yet Stalin chose to ignore, in both public and private, all this information. To every alarmed piece of news he had roughly the same reply sent down: "Don't panic. Take it easy. 'The boss' knows all about it." On Saturday evening, 21 June, Soviet military leaders spent a "quite ordinary" evening going to the theater or engaged in other amusements; security offices were nearly empty. Stalin dismissed reports of imminent attack as "panicking to no purpose" and himself may have watched a movie.

"Over the years Stalin had taken many steps to win the Nazis' confidence. As the German ambassador in Moscow correctly reported back, "Stalin has set himself the goal of preserving the Soviet Union from a conflict with Germany." Already in 1938, during the Czechoslovak crisis, he seemed eager to show the Nazi leadership that no Soviet forces were moving toward Czechoslovakia. He went out of his way punctiliously to fulfill every commitment made in the non-aggression pact. In 1940, as Nazi forces rolled west, he adopted an anti-French and anti-British line. Soviet intelligence agents in Germany had to work under a uniquely restrictive set of instructions, while Stalin passed on some of the warnings he received (including at least one from Churchill) to the Germans. [...]

"In the spring of 1941, Stalin took many steps to demobilize Soviet opinion. Anti-Nazi statements had already ceased entirely, earlier materials were withdrawn from circulation, friendship was publicly declared, and Soviet citizens of German origins were released from incarceration. A public statement on 14 June rejected talk of a German invasion as "clumsy fabrications," then asserted that "the rumors that Germany intends to violate the Pact and attack the Soviet Union are completely groundless, while the recent transfer of German troops, having completed their operations in the Balkans, to the eastern and northern parts of Germany must be assumed to have to do with other motives unconnected to Soviet-German relations." Time and again, Stalin's words, and those of his underlings, emphasized not the reality of over three million hostile soldiers perched on the frontier, but the importance of doing nothing that might "provoke" them. [...]

"As Nazi forces prepared for an assault, Stalin took specific steps to make his forces vulnerable to them. On one occasion, he countermanded a military commander's orders partially to black out naval bases and airfields, and on another he refused to prepare antiaircraft guns to shoot down German reconnaissance planes overflying Soviet territory. Indeed, when some of those planes had to land, they were repaired and given a full tank of gas for their return journey; in one case, when a border unit downed a German spy plane, killing two, the Soviets apologized to Berlin for the incident and punished the soldiers involved."

All too depressingly familiar right now.


The media wants blood, even if the movie is a pretext, red herring, they all want blood. It doesn't matter to them

https://twitter.com/rocco_castoro/status/246644678622052352

Be sure to thank Obama & Seretary of State Clinton for supporting Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt & financing them (with billions of hard earned tax dollars)

… and for restricting free speech through (video) HR Resolution 16/18 criminalisation of criticism of Islam (i.e. quoting Qur’an)

What normal "moderate" muslims think of the murder of Christopher Stevens, the U.S. Ambassador to Libya:

http://bit.ly/QMsitz
http://bit.ly/PBU0JR

Gotta love the taqiyya: "the prophet never told us to kill" followed by "i wish it was Sam Beclie or Terry Jones instead"

http://bit.ly/PBU50d

Get off your f------ a----, stop preaching to the choir and post your comments to the New York Times, Washington Post, etc.,. Islam is a bigger threat to humanity now than Natziesm
was back then. We need to create and sustain an INFORMATION BLITZ about the dangers of Islam to MAIN STREET, not Jihad Watch. In Academic circles the motto is "Publish Or Perish".
Hitler himself said that if you repeat a lie convincingly enough and often enough, people will believe it. I suggest telling the truth about Islam as often enough and professionally enough to as many news outlets as possible.
Islam has already declared war against the civilized world, I suggest we learn to fight back. Thank you for your support.


ACLJ has a petition to sign on their site:

Stop US Dollars to Egypt & Libya

What benefits do we Americans derive from close relations with Egypt's Military? Iraq's military? Any Muslim Nation's Military? Aren't all of them actually ad hoc militias with shifting allegiances with the mood du jour?

Pledges of "loyalty" from these latent butchers are only more examples of taqiyya.....fervent pledges dependent upon only the highest bidder.

If a price/value/savings to America can be placed upon these alleged benefits, does that "beneficial value" exceed these obscene dollar amounts given to any Muslim Military?

These same Muslim Armies are our long term sworn enemy. Just ask their imams and mullahs.....so of course it's impossible to quantify in crass dollars any benefit at all in dealing with any Muslim country.

Forget "moderate" Muslims....such a concept is a gross oxymoron. Do they read and observe their Koran?

What alleged benefit(s)could possibly justify our continued intimate involvement "on the ground" in Afghanistan, Iraq and these re-invigorated "nations" in North Africa and our continued loss of American lives?

Karzai-Maliki &Co, Limited are playing us for fools, as is this new leadership in Egypt.

This extended, continuing American presence in West/Central Asia and North Africa is a stark, gross tragedy.

Neville Chamberlain - Peace in our Time – 30 September 1938.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcZtDrkuCd0&feature=related
Netahyahu (peace be upon him): 1967 Lines Are Indefensible, Can't Negotiate With a Government Backed by Hamas = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcZtDrkuCd0&feature=related
See the difference?

May I suggest when suggesting a course of action you don't begin by insulting your audience, which you did. You know, it's not enough to be right. You must also learn how to be right. You need more work on the latter.

Here's my pasted submission just now to the Washington Post's Fuad Adjami's article, "Why Is The Muslim World So Easily Offended?"

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charlieg1
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Because the Muslim world is seeking grievances as excuses to riot against us Americans.

Our Dollars are feeding this insatiable appetite for violence against all non Muslims. Follow the money, it's often said.

What benefits do we Americans derive from close relations with Egypt's Military? Iraq's military? Any Muslim Nation's Military? Aren't all of them actually ad hoc militias with shifting allegiances with the mood du jour?

Pledges of "loyalty" from these latent butchers are only more examples of taqiyya.....fervent pledges dependent upon only the highest bidder.

If a price/value/savings to America can be placed upon these alleged benefits, does that "beneficial value" exceed these obscene dollar amounts given to any Muslim Military?

These same Muslim Armies are our long term sworn enemy. Just ask their imams and mullahs.....so of course it's impossible to quantify in crass dollars any benefit at all in dealing with any Muslim country.

Forget "moderate" Muslims....such a concept is a gross oxymoron. Do they read and observe their Koran?

What alleged benefit(s)could possibly justify our continued intimate involvement "on the ground" in Afghanistan, Iraq and these re-invigorated "nations" in North Africa and our continued loss of American lives?

Karzai-Maliki &Co, Limited are playing us for fools, as is this new leadership in Egypt.

This extended, continuing American presence in West/Central Asia and North Africa is a stark, gross tragedy.

Consider this.....Al Queda executes an IO plan with the usual multi-site attacks. They used the movie protests to stage insurgents at both sites for the attacks. The Egyptian Plan didn't go so well. Libya was a win for these criminals, but they will pay for it soon. The movie is just a distraction, used to fuel up the ignorant and out of work Muslims who are easily drawn to emotional outrage at things ordinary human beings wouldn't think twice about. Perhaps they should read the only one or two books written by Muslims in the past 50 years and just hang out at the mosques. The U. S. must keep the Egyptian military in pocket because if we don't, fundamentalists like the Muslim Brotherhood will create a fachist state and slaughter Coptic Christians and all else who question the Quran. The military are the only ones who can be somewhat trusted in Egypt, and will keep the country from turning back against Israel. It is time for calming of the factions in states currently in transition. I'm afraid the Obama Administration is not savvy enough to mediate the situation. They are truly like Stalin and his staff in the days before the German invasion.

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Robert, if you will allow this.

I can't speak to the authenticity of this video, but the ramifications are, well, you make the call:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5zvGF6u9g&feature=related

It's great that the US is having "frank" talks with Egypt. They have also had "frank" talks with Pakistan over the past few years, and were in the middle of those "frank" talks when bin Laden was discovered living, frankly, right next to a Paki military base.

I can't wait for them to have "frank" talks with Libya, Tunisia, Sudan, Saudi, Iran and the rest of the peaceloving Muslim world.

Fly on the wall, Obama / Morsi "frank conversation:"

MM: Hey, BO, what's up, bro?

BO: Don't give me that "bro" crap, Mo. Hil and I have done everything in our power to schlepp you off to Americans as a "Religion of Peace." We've covered your asses in every way and you know it."

MM: Calm down, man! Some of the guys just got a little excited about the Mohammad-thing, you know?

BO: Mohammad, schmohammad! If you hadn't noticed, this is an election-year, ole buddy--and you pick NOW to attack our embassies, burn our flags, kill our envoys? Even in the liberal blogs pissed-off Americans are calling me a liar and a wuss! It's bad enough with Spencer and Geller breathin' fire up my tailpipe--and now this. You wanna' get me unelected here? You know what that'll mean--the party's over!

MM: OK, OK, I'm sorry, already! Look, just blame it on this stupid movie--that'll distract 'em. Say that it's hate speech or islamophobia or something. That's always worked before, right?

BO: Yeah, we're already doing that. But it's damage-control--and YOU'RE the damage! Now, knock this shit off until after the election, understand? After that we can get into high gear. But, any more of this nonsense now & I'll have to cut off your allowance, just to save my own ass!

MM: OK, I got it, no more bad stuff before the election. Say hi to Hil and Huma for me!

BO: Maybe I shoulda' been a Republican (click)

Hmm, then why waste your time posting comments here? ...stick to writing the folks you mentioned.

Fly on the wall, Obama / Morsi "frank conversation:"

MM: Hey, BO, what's up, bro?

BO: Don't give me that "bro" crap, Mo. Hil and I have done everything in our power to schlepp you off to Americans as a "Religion of Peace." We've covered your asses in every way and you know it."

MM: Calm down, man! Some of the guys just got a little excited about the Mohammad-thing, you know?

BO: Mohammad, schmohammad! If you hadn't noticed, this is an election-year, ole buddy--and you pick NOW to attack our embassies, burn our flags, kill our envoys? Even in the liberal blogs pissed-off Americans are calling me a liar and a wuss! It's bad enough with Spencer and Geller breathin' fire up my tailpipe--and now this. You wanna' get me unelected here? You know what that'll mean--the party's over!

MM: OK, OK, I'm sorry, already! Look, just blame it on this stupid movie--that'll distract 'em. Say that it's hate speech or islamophobia or something. That's always worked before, right?

BO: Yeah, we're already doing that. But it's damage-control--and YOU'RE the damage! Now, knock this shit off until after the election, understand? After that we can get into high gear. But, any more of this nonsense now & I'll have to cut off your allowance, just to save my own ass!

MM: OK, I got it, no more bad stuff before the election. Say hi to Hil and Huma for me!

BO: Maybe I shoulda' been a Republican (click)

Hmm, then why waste your time posting comments here? ...stick to writing the folks you mentioned.

Apologies to all for the double-post. Hope this one doesn't do it, too...

Our next president (hopefully not Obama) will have the sense to:

1. Cut off all foreign aid to Muslim nations, regardless of location.

2. Pull out all allied troops from Muslim nations.

3. Close down all our embassies connected to Muslim nations (we really do need to follow Canada's recent example)

4. Deport all Muslims to Saudi Arabia and make it illegal to convert to Islam.

Islam has no place in the western world; most certainly not this planet, but when Jesus returns to earth to establish His kingdom, Islam shall be obliterated forever, never to return.

"Good news: $1.6 billion annual aid to Egypt not in jeopardy

"Why not?

"Seriously, why not?"

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Egypt is in a special category when it comes to foreign bribery, ah, aid. The purpose of the money is to buy access. Pakistan came into this category in 2001 when the U.S. needed to overfly Pakistan to get to Afghanistan.

Most of this money is spent to ensure that the U.S. Navy has unrestricted access to the Suez Canal. The Navy is desperate to keep this access, and views this sum as cheaper than the cost of the extra ships the Navy would need if it didn't have access.

In reality this policy is one of 'kicking the can down the road', like so many other policies we keep. The Canal will eventually be closed to us, and the ships that we could have bought in the years that we paid out these bribes, I mean aid, will not be here when we need them.

After electing Hussein, Americans should be thankful jizya was not doubled!

If your outraged over what has happened and is happening do something about it. Contact the Speaker of the House, John Boehner, demand (respectfully of course), that Obama be impeached for dereliction of duty. Look it up on the web its a military offense and Obama is Commander in Chief.

Next let him know how you feel about the 1.6 Billion dollars Obama is getting ready to release yo Egypt.

I know many of you don't like Boehner or Congress, but we have to get beyond that. If you want back what's been and is being taken away, you're going to have to stand up for your rights and demand them back. If enough people write, e-mail, letting them know that they are outraged, it will make a difference.

Voice your opinion while you still can. Here's the web address....

http://www.speaker.gov/contact

Obama-Clinton, a disgusting pair!

Didn't Thomas Jefferson form the United States Navy, so we wouldn't have to pay ransom to Jihadists? So, we pay ransom, and they keep attacking, using our money to do it, of course.

"Jefferson himself, along with John Adams, had gone to London in 1786 to have a sitdown with the Muslim ambassador who represented the Barbary pirates of Tripoli. They asked him a simple and direct question: by what right do you extort money from us and enslave us?

Jefferson reported the ambassador’s response to Congress: “[That right] was founded upon the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

Jefferson bought a copy of the Koran because he found it hard to believe that any religion could be as dark, dangerous, evil and wicked as this. He had to check it out for himself.

Lo and behold, he read, in his own copy of the Koran, the command of Allah through his holy prophet, peace be upon him: ” Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them” (Sura 9:5).

1.6 Billion.

Next thing you know, Egypt will have the need for a German Sub, and want us to purchase it for them.

We do have a spare Billion to print, for our whatevers, right?

And when is that Killing of OBL movie due out, December, right?

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