Hamas-linked CAIR: "The extremists who carried out these attacks deserve punishment, and the extremists who produced and promoted an intentionally inflammatory film deserve condemnation"

Hamas-linked CAIR is in this press release following the same playbook as the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, who goes around saying that the problem isn't Islam, but extremists of all faiths. This little epigram sounds as if it is wise and even axiomatic, but when one stops to think that Muslim "extremists" have perpetrated nearly 20,000 jihad terror attacks since 9/11, while Jewish and Christian extremists have perpetrated none, the agenda begins to be revealed.

The equating here of the murderers and the filmmakers is intended to result in censorship laws making it impossible for material critical of Islam to be produced. That's the goal: Sharia laws forbidding criticism of Islam imported into the U.S., rendering us mute and hence defenseless before the advancing jihad.

In his prepared statement, CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad said:

"We condemn the disgraceful killings of the American diplomats in Libya in the strongest terms possible. We also condemn the attack on our nation's diplomatic facilities in Libya and Egypt. The actions of the attackers are totally inexcusable and un-Islamic.

"We agree with Secretary Clinton, who said that 'violence like this is no way to honor religion or faith.' The extremists who carried out these attacks deserve punishment, and the extremists who produced and promoted an intentionally inflammatory film deserve condemnation.

"Islamic traditions include a number of instances in which the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had the opportunity to retaliate against those who abused him, but refrained from doing so....

Awad doesn't mention it, but actually, violent attacks against those who are thought to have insulted revered figures of Islam is very much a part of Islam. Islam mandates death for non-Muslim subjects of the Islamic state who mention "something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), or Islam" ('Umdat al-Salik, o11.10). Such laws go back to passages in the Hadith and Sira in which Muhammad orders the murders of people who have insulted him, including Abu ‘Afak, who was over one hundred years old, and the poetess ‘Asma bint Marwan. Abu ‘Afak was killed in his sleep, in response to Muhammad's question, “Who will avenge me on this scoundrel?” Similarly, Muhammad on another occasion cried out, “Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan?” One of his followers, ‘Umayr ibn ‘Adi, went to her house that night, where he found her sleeping next to her children. The youngest, a nursing babe, was in her arms. But that didn’t stop ‘Umayr from murdering her and the baby as well. Muhammad commended him: “You have done a great service to Allah and His Messenger, ‘Umayr!” (Ibn Ishaq, 674-676)

Then there was Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf. Muhammad asked: "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" One of the Muslims, Muhammad bin Maslama answered, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" When Muhammad said that he would, Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab)." Muhammad responded: "You may say it." Muhammad bin Maslama duly lied to Ka'b, luring him into his trap, and murdered him. (Sahih Bukhari, volume 5, book 59, number 369)

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Here is the simplest and best expose of Islamic "extremism" you'll see. It's funny and it hits the nail right on the head. Watch it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=LfKLV6rmLxE

There is absolutely NO moral equivalence between those SAVAGES--who need little or no provocation to kill and destroy--and their intended vitims, those respect life, artistic expression, free political discouse, and who freely build, create, and produce.

The first part of CAIR's statement is correct ""The extremists who carried out these attacks deserve punishment....., the last part is NOT, The last part goes against the constitution and the right to free speech. That's the law in the United States.

If muslims are too thin skinned to take a little criticism or too much in denial to be exposed to the truth, then that's their problem. All violence , intimidation & murder by them should be dealt with swiftly & appropriately. Apologies to the perpetrators of the violence are NOT in order. Most people with a modicum of intelligences and a dab of common sense would already know this.

In other words, I'm sick to death of muslims and their juvenile behavior, especially their hair- trigger temper tantrums of murdering & rampaging. It should NEVER be tolerated for any reason.

Thanks.

Made my day.

This had nothing to do with the movie. This was a revenge killing and these riots were planned long before they happened. Just like the Muhammad cartoon riots.

The idea that it's about provocations by people intentionally pouring gasoline on the fire is nonsense.

There is always something the people who control these "spontaneous demonstrations" can seize upon when they want to stir the pot.

This is a free society, after all.

And numerous people every date violate Muslim taboos of one kind or another.

If nothing else, there is always the website known as "Jesus and Mo."

I watched the intro and over all it was a factual portrayal of Pedo Mohammed 's behavior, so what was all the Muslim' s anger over?

Here's Andrew McCarthy's perspective on this:

"Under sharia, as construed by Islamic supremacists (i.e., at least two-thirds of Middle East Muslims), any negative criticism of Islam or its prophet, no matter how trifling, is deemed to be blasphemy and warrants violent reprisals — including death. These Muslims — hundreds of millions of them — consider this to be a divine ordinance and thus to be imposed on Muslims and non-Muslims alike........That’s what causes the rioting and murder. The “blasphemers” are only a pretext. What causes this is the indoctrination of Muslim populations in an evil ideology that justifies savagery over nonsense. That’s the proximate cause. If you want to look at a material cause beyond the proximate cause, the place to start would be American officials like the ones Daniel cites with seeming approval: David Petraeus, Robert Gates, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama — and I’d add Lindsey Graham to the list........"
No, It’s Sharia and the Assault on U.S. Missions

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316633/no-its-ishariai-and-assault-us-missions-andrew-c-mccarthy#

No extremists produced that video, CAIR buddies, none at all. Just truth tellers, and BTW, the movie was true, but of a quality just above a cartoon, very low budget.

And CAIR, you lying fools, pals of your muslim brotherhood buddies, you people used the film to try to get some mileage out of your 9-11-12 premeditated attack, and sucker the weak and stupid not yet bright Americans to think they should give up the Sacred Right to Free Speech, ala 1st Amendment rights.

And remember, more and more of us are waking up to the fact you have never been a religion, just a large heinously criminal gang, and we know in your own hand, that your mosks are as purpose number one, to prevent your muslims from assimilating in wherever they live, by control of their minds. And of course like wild animals, and pets, to mark your conquered territory symbolically.

And BTW, CAIR fools, all of you, your people especially your 56 plus one states of the other continent, do not have, and will not have, a clue about Rights and Democracy maybe ever, so long as you keep them bound into stupidity through your gangland brainwashing and fearmongering, and your monumental lying, along with your ridiculous war manuals!!!!

And CAIR buddies, some of us, who have studied mightily, and broadly, know even more than you about your history, behavior, and plans!! More and more of us are in that increasing and powerful category.......

Hamas-linked CAIR: "The extremists who carried out these attacks deserve punishment, and the extremists who produced and promoted an intentionally inflammatory film deserve condemnation"
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Grotesque moral equivalence.

I haven't seen this movie yet—I do plan to. But on a very real level, it doesn't matter *what* is in this movie, its quality or content.

Civilized people don't attack foreign embassies and murder people *over a movie*. If a film is particularly objectionable, people can complain, peacefully protest, or call for a boycott. They *don't murder people*.

This should be obvious to any semi-rational person.

Further, this is the grievance de jure. We've heard plans to attack the American Embassy in Cairo long before the news about this movie even surfaced in the Muslim world. If it wasn't this, it would have been something else.

More decent people need to call CAIR on this vicious bs. That this Hamas-linked font of Taqiyya is still regarded as a legitimate "civil-right organization" eleven years after 9/11 is ludicrous.

CAIR is absolutely right about the people who made this movie deserving condemnation. But not for what they think.

CAIR made that statement when people thought the filmaker was Israeli and the investors were jews.

But NPR found that Mr. Bacile doesn't exist. There's no licences, properties, phones or court documents associated with A californian with his name.

An associate gave an interview to AP and NPR disclosing that the name is an alias and the man he knew wasn't jewish or Israeli. BUT WAS MIDDLE EASTERN.

Israeli officials confirmed that they also have no records of him.

This is movie is beginning to look like a Reichstag fire type hoax.

Gravenimage, you wrote - "Further, this is the grievance de jure. We've heard plans to attack the American Embassy in Cairo long before the news about this movie even surfaced in the Muslim world. If it wasn't this, it would have been something else."

That's what *I* think, too.

I'd never even *heard* of this film before they started screeching about it.

What worries *me* is that in a different news report I saw that some of them are saying this movie was made by emigre *Copts*.

Which means that they're probably going to use it as an excuse for a round of mass-murderous pogroms against the *Copts*...even though it actually seems not to have been made by Copts, at all.

I wrote the above before I had read the posting by Truthio re the mare's nest discovered when people went looking for the makers of the film.

Hamas: "The extremists who carried out these attacks deserve punishment, and the extremists who produced and promoted an intentionally inflammatory film deserve condemnation"

jdow: Then surely those extremists who attack Christians deserve punishment and condemnation as well. Those who claim Jesus is only another prophet are insulting Christians. Therefore they should be condemned and imprisoned by the same logic as Hamas applies.

The world works SO MUCH better when there are adults in the room who realize all they must do is ignore the asinine rantings of the other side and get on with their lives. I figure my life is better than an eternity putting on a show of rutting like sex crazed dogs with a hard on that never goes away. That sounds as much like Hell as the one Peanut Butter Upon Him described.

{^_^}

Allah bless Sam Bacile!

yeah it's especially strange that the guy lied to the Wall Street Journal about being Jewish and Israeli and that his investors were all jews AFTER he had heard about the muslim riots.

You have to conclude that he said it in order to incite them more against Israel.

Morsi has already used a terrorist attack on his own soldiers as a pretext to purge the army of potential opponents.

It's not a small step from exploiting something as a pretext to manufacturing something to use as a pretext.

And it's less damaging to infrastructure than, say, burning down a government building.

Cair weeps crocodile tears and curses the Egyptian rioters for upsetting its infiltration applecart in the United States.

Oh I see the Muslim Council of Britain is weeping the same crocodile tears. Are either of these organisations CAIR and the MCB sending delegations to Egypt or Libya to point out that we in the West are quite pleasant and reasonsable people really ? Are they holding demonstrations outside the Egyptian and Libyan embassies in London and washington ?

Truthiocity wrote:

This is movie is beginning to look like a Reichstag fire type hoax.
...

yeah it's especially strange that the guy lied to the Wall Street Journal about being Jewish and Israeli and that his investors were all jews AFTER he had heard about the muslim riots.
........

Dumbledore's Army wrote:

I'd never even *heard* of this film before they started screeching about it.

What worries *me* is that in a different news report I saw that some of them are saying this movie was made by emigre *Copts*.

Which means that they're probably going to use it as an excuse for a round of mass-murderous pogroms against the *Copts*...even though it actually seems not to have been made by Copts, at all.
....................................

Truthiocity and Dumbledore's Army, there has been a lot of confusion over this movie.

For one thing, it does not appear to be a full film at all—the 13-minute "trailer" seems to be the entire piece. Whether "Sam Bacile" intended to eventually make a full movie or not is unclear.

What does seem to have emerged is that the film maker *is* a Copt—the framing device in the film is of a Muslim attack on the Copts in Egypt, followed by the Egyptian police *arresting Copts* and charging them with the violence. This may be a poorly made film, but that scenario is *all too plausible*.

The film maker's real name—which I will not reiterate here for obvious reasons—does indeed sound Coptic.

As for the call in to the Wall Street Journal, where the claim is made that the film maker is an Israeli Jew, this would appear to have been a nasty hoax.

In any case—poorly made film or no—there is very little in this movie that is inaccurate, and those only minor points. Everything is straight from the texts of Islam.

In fact, some things wee even worse than the film portrays. For instance, Kinana of Khaybar is shown being stabbed to death—quite brutal—but in the original texts, he is described of having been tortured with a "fire kindled on his chest" until almost dead, then he was beheaded.

The *only* thing I have found in the "trailer" that is anachronistic is Muhammed declaring that "the Qur'an is our constitution"—but that is straight from the Muslim Brotherhood, so this is a minor point.

I believe this film was made by an American Copt to show both the plight of modern-day Copts and the roots of that plight in the story of Muhammed. The film is also quite sympathetic to Jews brutalized by Muslims, which nicely belies the casual antisemitism one sometimes—sadly—finds among Christians who have spent too much time living in Muslim-majority societies such as Egypt.

Many will dismiss this film due to its bad acting, confusing structure, and practically non-existent production values, and many more will condemn it without ever seeing it.

But despite its quite serious shorcomings, it actually presents quite an accurate portrait of the appalling "Prophet".

And that is something that, most likely, very few—either Muslims or their Western apologists—will ever acknowledge.

"that is something that, most likely, very few—either Muslims or their Western apologists—will ever acknowledge"

I and a few FB friends have found that to be true. We've been asking enraged muslim commenters on youtube to give an example from the movie that is a) untrue and b)offensive.

One popular example they give is that I am a jew.

Sometimes they demand that it is you who must provide proof that something is true.

BUT if there was something untrue in the movie then they could have answered instantly- claiming that you have to give proof is a bluff.

Sometimes they give an example from the film, such as the donkey or head between thighs scene - but don't specify if it's untrue OR offensive. When shown that the example is true they then say they meant it was offensive.

They sometimes say it's a lot of little things and the way it was filmed that was offensive, but don't provide actual examples.

Sometimes they use reflection, saying if you can't see what's offensive then there is something wrong with you (for not seeing what they don't deign to explain). Those who say this still don't provide examples.

(reflection is a subversive psychological warfare technique. It's supposed to make you look inwards and doubt yourself instead of at the subversive- to inhibit your critical thinking and make you become a little neurotic. You've probably encountered this a lot without realizing what it was)

So even those who are so offended that they speak up on youtube won't say why it's offensive or untrue.

They are all lying to our faces about being offended.

Notice that when being interviewed in front of cameras or when making statmeents the spokespeople don't give examples either.

We are just supposed to take their word for it, though it would be so easy for them to back up what they say.

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