Mona Eltahawy arrested for assaulting pro-freedom blogger while defacing AFDI pro-freedom ad

One reason we should support renewable energy.

So that we will not be dependent on oil and quit buying the jihadi fossil which in turn will make jihadi land a stone age era economy

I see that "Peter" is back, urging us to unilaterally surrender to Islam...

Graven, you stated : " urging us to unilaterally surrender to Islam"

Comment:

not surrender but make peace as Jesus has called us all to make peace

and because the Jews did not listen to Jesus and subsequently did not make peace with the terrorist Romans,

in the end in AD70,the Jews were slaughtered and their temple destroyed by the terrorist Romans.

So, do we listen to Jesus or do we listen to the voices of war ?

Peacemaking is the only solution to our foreign policy problems.

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Peter, peace has always, always,and always has been achieved by FORCE. There can not be peace with Islam as it is EVIL. Evil must be defeated by force.

Sam, you stated : " Evil must be defeated by force."

Comment:

If you are talking about police action, that is reasonable

but atom bombing of an entire city like Hiroshima and Nagasaki is not force

but state terrorism.

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I checked out that blog.

What I didn't see (could have missed it) was what punishments dear Mona could receive for assaulting Ms. Hall.

Peter,

Jesus was not a pacifist, and you are in desperate need of an education ...

I offer the Conclusion from the link below:

Conclusion

Our survey of the Gospels has revealed that Jesus supported the scriptural use of force for personal or national defense.

There is no evidence in the Gospel material that Jesus taught pacifism or nonresistance. On the other hand, Jesus’ use of the just-war model as the basis for multiple parables and as the pattern for the Judgment Day revealed that He was not in any way uncomfortable with Old Testament teaching in this regard.

Read it all here:
http://www.faithdefenders.com/articles/theology/jesus_pacifist_t.html

"but atom bombing of an entire city like Hiroshima and Nagasaki is not force

but state terrorism."

Oh, I see; an implacable enemy who forced us to war by surprise-attacking us...then refuses to surrender in the face of defeat...trains its population (including women and children) to fight us to the death on their homeland...to cost us an estimated 500,000 to 1 million casualties...and dropping those bombs was "state terorism?" It was a WAR, stupid--and not one we started--and that's how it had to be finished. And thank God we had that technology before they did. In the end, it was way more humane than an invasion. Did I mention that we sent the Japanese MILLIONS of tons of grain after their surrender to head-off certain famine?

See any parallels with our current situation? Need I compare 9/11 with Pearl Harbor? Need I compare Kamikazes to muslim suicide bombers? You're preaching in the wrong place. It's the muslims who want war with us "unbelievers." Please go spread your message of peace to them--see where it gets you!

Champ, you stated : " There is no evidence in the Gospel material that Jesus taught pacifism or nonresistance. "

Comment:

Jesus told the Jews not to defend Jerusalem

but Jesus did tell the Jews that they will be blessed if they were Peacemakers

but the Jews did not listen to Jesus

and eventually on AD70, the Jews were slaughtered by the terrorist Romans and their temple burned down.

What did Jesus mean by "blessed are the Peacemakers" and not "war makers" ?

and also when the disciples of Jesus were being persecuted by the terrorist Romans,

the disciples and early christians did not even defend themselves

because the disciples were following Jesus' pacifism.

Romans 8: 36-39:

As it is written:

“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter"

Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.

For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,

nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Amen

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George, you stated : " an implacable enemy who forced us to war by surprise-attacking us"

Comment:

Japan did not force the US government to war.

It was basically the other way around.

the US government instigated Japan into attacking by the following actions:

If the US govt, never forced Japan to sign unequal treaties "at the point of a gun" in the late 1800s which in turn led to some Japanese pushing for militarism because they never wanted to be humiliated again by the US govt.

If the US govt had never invaded and had a genocidal occupation of the Philippines,

If the US govt had never planned to have a war with Japan called the War Plan Orange,

If the US govt never invaded and occupied the Spanish colonies in the Pacific,

If the US govt had never invaded and occupied Hawaii,

If the US govt never supported the chinese military against the Japanese govt,

If the US govt. never imposed embargoes on Japan,

If in July 1941, FDR did not freeze Japanese assets in the United States,

If the US government had supported the peace faction in the Japanese government, ( (http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/DRG )

If the US govt did not instigate the Japanese as Henry L. Stimson and the McCollum Memo confessed,

If the US govt. heeded to the wishes of Admiral Richardson, commander of the U.S. fleet,
and not moved the American fleet to Pearl Harbor,

the Pearl Harbor attack would never have happened.

The US govt instigated Japan by

allowing the Japanese peace faction to collapse,

freezing Japanese assets,

imposing embargoes,

helping the Chinese military against Japan

and as the McCollum Memo from US naval intelligence and Stimson, the Secretary of War admitted that

the US govt did everything short of all out war, to instigate the Japanese govt to attack, giving the reason that if the Japanese attacked first, that would unite the American people for war,

since the American people did not want another world war since WW1..

Peter, you have me laughing out loud here! So, if we had just surrendered to Imperial Jaapan, allowed them their agggressive territorial ambitions and brutal occupations without question or demur...then it all would've worked itself out, eh? It was all OUR fault--we drove them to it--just like it's all our fault today with islam? I'm sorry, but I must say, that must be the non-pareil stupidist, most naive thing I've seen written here to date.

Arguing WWII is a bit off-topic here. But the parallels are there with islam today. With your neurotic and simplistc "blame America first" mentality, it's clear that you're ripe for the picking to today's muslim hegemonists, just as you would've let Imperial Japan run rampant. Thank goodness we have more real men and women around here and less whiny surrender-first artists.

Thanks for the laughs, though...

I repeat, you are in desperate need of an education ...

“Blessed are the peacemakers”. The Greek word “peacemaker” was one of Caesar’s titles. He was called “the peacemaker” because he won and maintained peace by the use of force. The word does not mean “peaceable” or “pacifistic” or “peace at any price.” The word meant “peace through strength.” As such, it named the head of the Roman army without contradiction.

Read it all here: http://www.faithdefenders.com/articles/theology/jesus_pacifist_t.html

~~~~~~

A peacemaker is not a pacifist OR a doormat ...

To Peter,

You don't really know Jesus, he's a historical figure to you; a good man, perhaps a prophet. Your not a believer, he's not your Savior, the Son of God.

If you knew Jesus, you'd know him as the Son of God, and that he never would make peace with Islam. Why? Because, Jesus doesn't make peace with satan ... with evil. He always took authority over satan. Also, consider the un-peaceful, un-diplomatic way in which Jesus treated the religious leaders, the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Jesus was no diplomat, he made no concession to them, never watched what he said; No, Jesus, insulted, corrected and rebuked them, and they hated him for it ... they hated him unto death.

The only Jesus you speak of is the historical one and your history is faulty at that. Therefore, you've built your house on sand ...

Aprilyn

HA! Because we didn't support and embolden the aggressive imperialism of Japan we started the war with Japan?

We were dressed like we wanted it? Really?

Every single thing you cited was in fact meant to cool their britches and help the victims of their aggression, not incite them to war.

You are saying if I try to protect someone from a rapist then he's within his moral rights to shoot me.

Or in this case if I want to prevent a terrorist supporting Vandal from commiting a crime against property and someones first amendment right, she's entitled to then commit assault against me because I'm not letting her commit a crime.

Asians in Asia consider Hiroshima and Nagasaki as vitally important in ending the war. Why? Because it did end the savagery of the Japanese back then. Therwas widespread rape of women, BAYONETTING OF BABIES(yes, you read that right!) and just plain slaughter of civilians. In Manila alone, 100,000 CIVILIANS died because the Japanese did not evacuate the city as they told but instead barricaded the city and it's inhabitant of 1 million. Most of those who died were murdered by te Japanese and investigation says that it was planned savagery agains the civilians. This was in 1945 as the Japanese were losing

Read about the rape/sack of Manila and th rape of Nanking

Also read about the battle of okinawa where the Japanese forces ORDERED the civilians to take their lives!

Barring a plea deal, Mona will not beat the criminal mischief charge for spray painting the ad (graffiti). But, she may beat the assault charge because it appears Ms. Hall got physical first (by putting her camera pole into Mona). Yes, Hall was being spray painted by Mona, but a judge could easily find that Hall should have just moved out of the way and gone for the police.

You really think so? I’m not an attorney, but that looked like a pretty clear case of assault to me. Sure, Pamela Hall was guarding the poster, but it wasn’t as if she just dived in front of a crime in progress and happened to get hit. At one point this Mona bimbo threatens to spraypaint Hall if she doesn’t get out of the way, and then when Hall doesn’t, she spraypaints her. And that was BEFORE Pamela Hall’s camera stand touches her. That looks like a very deliberate, conscious assault to me.

If a person was in a room with a murderer with a gun, and the murderer said, “Get out of this room or I’m going to shoot you,” and the person didn’t get out of the room for whatever reason, so the murderer shot them and the person died, does that mean the murderer would beat the murder charge?

liledbird,

Do you have a link to Ms. Hall's site?

George, you stated : " So, if we had just surrendered to Imperial Jaapan, allowed them their agggressive territorial ambitions and brutal occupations without question or demur...then it all would've worked itself out, eh? "

Comment:

the Japanese did not interfere in North America or the Pacific while the US government was conducting its imperial expansion and taking native lands

but when the Japanese interfered in parts of China and Korea, the US government suddenly became a moral power ?

What if the Japanese had interfered in the Philippines by supporting the rebels against the US government;

Do you think the US government would have done nothing against Japan for the interference ?

So likewise, the US government interfered in China and the Japanese government retaliated, just as the US government would have retaliated if the Japanese government interfered in the Philippines

Or he can watch "City of Life and Death" to get some idea; it's a very good movie.

Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.

Did you know that th Japanese was busy expanding in Taiwan and Korea at that time and they actually DID consider annexing the Philippines after the Spanish American war.

And to demonstrate how many Asians are still pissed of with Japan because they whitewash their participation....let us ask the Koreans

http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2959957&cloc=joongangdaily%7Chome%7Cnewslist1

Ask an Asian in Asia about the Pacific War.

In many cases during the Japanese occupation many Filipino civilians risked their lives just to smuggle food and medicine to the American prisoners. In many occassions, Filipino guerillas assisted the US military in rescuing POWs and Internees.

Some events to take note of:

Raid at Cabanatuan
Raid at Los Banos
Raid at University of Santo Tomas

It is sad that when Westerners talk about Japan in WW2, they often shun how Asians in Japanese occupied countries felt about it.

Thank you, I am well aware of those events and like you I try to repeat those stories at the appropriate time and place.

Sometimes it seems that the whole world is drowning in an amnesiac fog.

It is really sad that when debating about the abombs, what Asians felt about it is often discarded. Being of Asian descent and having my grandparents live under the tyranny Of the Japanese empire, it's really hard to call the a-bombs as terrorism because IT STOPPED THE JAPANESE PILLAGE OF other asians

To add injury to the wound, even Japanese historians are not admitting their participation. To the people in Japan, what they know of the war is Japan bombed pearl harbor and the US retaliated with a-bombs. Nothing about their attempted expansion. This is why these is bitterness when talking about WW2 in Asia. I wish Japan could be like Germany owning up to its mistake.

I even laugh when Japanese take credit for making Asian countries independent. Well, sorry to say most nationalists in Asia were inspired by events in Europe than the Japanese propaganda. Sukarno, Ho Chi Minh and other nationalists were schooled in Europe and saw the events that arose.

Yes, Japanese culture seems deficient in some way. I've worked a little with Japanese, Korean, and Chinese professionals, and I've seen that the Japanese tendency to groupthink is still far worse than anywhere else in Asia, even if their post-1945 culture has diluted it. A beautiful people with a beautiful culture, so very creative in so many ways, yet this thinking remains a vulnerability.

Have you read D.M. Giangreco's Hell to Pay: Operation DOWNFALL and the Invasion of Japan, 1945-1947? It is an interesting read. The Japanese leadership was planning a near auto-genocide of their own people as their response to a 1945 Allied invasion, and they surrendered only when the atomic bombs convinced them that they were going to get the same result but would not be able to take many Americans with them, as they had planned. Everyone should be thankful that this psychological hold on their minds was broken in August 1945.

"Jihad is a race and if you speak against jihad you're a racist. That according to @AntDeRosa & Co. and other bigoted, intolerant and racist dolts with projection bias"

I think it's a critical miscalculation to underestimate the profound traction which the racist card still holds out in the blue skies and sunshine of the PC MC mainstream. I have yet to see sufficient evidence that merely waving the wand of the rhetorical question "What race is Islam?" is a sufficient response -- particularly when the overwhelming majority of Muslims look ethnic. The irrationality we are facing in this regard is more complex than many of us appreciate, and perhaps a little judo would work better than karate.

Funny, though, the majority of Buddhists, Christians, and Hindus on planet earth look ethnic too, but they are never cut the same slack as the stealth jihadists. No one calls Piss Christ a work of ethnic hatred, even though it would be if the same standard applied.

The only sensible post in this whole madhouse.

Aside from defacement of the poster however, which Pamela Geller I guess could sue her for also, she also sprayed paint on Pamela Hall's clothes and possibly on her camera also.

Wouldn't those carry separate charges?

THIS ASSHOLE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWRJ17he__I&feature=related

For a Christian and the Jew he is a revolting old whore.
For a leftist and the moslem he is "our whore".

But a whore any way you want to look at him.

Did any of those who left a comment actually watch the video!

I did, and I have no reason to assume others didn't. If you have such a reason, however "thuggy", please let us know.

Now whether her behaviour was, or wasn't "thuggy", is beside the point here. The bitch was arrested for vandalism not for holding a particular political opinion. She would be arrested for spraying over an ad with "Islam means Love" message.

...attacks Mona with her camera and doesn't let her express her opinion peacefully and calls the police is called a freedom fighter, then we're probably living in a perfectly mad world.

What is exactly peaceful about vandalism? And how do you attack someone with the camera unless you hit him with it?

Really, if you claim mona expressed her opinion peacefully then one can say Pamela attacked the bitch peacefully.

... we're probably living in a perfectly mad world.

"we"? Speak for yourself, inhabitant of the mohammedan universe.

You engage in moral equivalency thinking, Peter, which leads you into all kinds of errors. Sometimes, as Winston Churchill sadly noted, the civilized world must stoop almost as low as the barbarian in order to save civilization.

Also, and on a specific matter, Truman's dropping of the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved far more lives than they destroyed. As others have already pointed out, far more people, both Japanese and American, would have been killed had America had to invade the four main islands of Japan. I have also taught many Chinese and Koreans over the years and several have conveyed to me their relief that America ended the war when it did with the A-bombs because brutal Japanese occupation of China and Korea then ended almost immediately.

Peter, you're way too simplistic in your thinking. Life is more complex than you make it out to be. Rethink things if you can.

America has shown the capacity to apologize for its wrongdoings, such as in its treatment of the Americna Indians. When has the Islamic world ever apologized for its wrongdoings, which are legion?

Israel did not invade Palestine, as you put it, indicating an unjustified confiscation of land for its own sake. Jews and Arabs lived under Ottoman rule until that was ended and the British Mandate was created. Jews bought the land under the Ottomans and British, they didn't steal it. Then, when the British wanted to get out, the UN offered a partition plan which the Jews accepted and the Arabs rejected. The Jews had no recourse but to fight for their survival and, being much better at it than the pathetic Arab Muslims, they were able to establish the one true democracy in the Middle East where Israeli-Arabs enjoy more freedoms than do Arabs in any Arab nation (convenient how this is overlooked by Muzzies on a regular basis). But since the Arab Muslim world would not leave Israel alone, Israel has had to continually defend itself, including taking over adjacent land. Of course, you very tendentiously term this an invasion of Palestine. Might as well say that the Allies in WWII invaded Germany, all the while implying that doing so was wrong. Sometimes, moving into enemy territory is necessary in order to preserve oneself. This is what has been forced on the Israelis. Were a Palestinian state prepared to really live in peace with Israel and recognize its existence, Israel would withdraw from occupied land very, very quickly. You know this or should know it.

As for the term "jihad," something like 97% of the time it is mentioned in the Hadiths it refers to war. And don't try to pass off that shit about how only defensive war is permitted under Islam. Most anything can be termed defensive by Muslims so that criticizing Islam or, God forbid, taking back land originally stolen by Muslims (e.g., Spain) can elicit cries of jihad. The "defensive' qualification by Islam is total bullshit.

Now go away. You will make no headway here at JW. Guaranteed. We here know all the Muslim tricks and they are not convincing in the least. And fortunately with each passing year more millions in the West are learning about all these tricks and just how freedom-crushing and awful Islam really is. Done here.

Champ, you stated : " The word meant “peace through strength."

Comment:

Lets assume its "peace through strength."

Jesus never did any of the "peacemaking" that Caesar did.

When Jesus was going to be killed by the mob, what did Jesus do ?

did He use his strength to retaliate or did He use his strength to escape from the mob and in so doing, nobody got hurt.

Just as Jesus told the Jews to not defend Jerusalem, Jesus did everything in His Power not to shed blood

If not for the A-bombs, the Japanese emperor would have terminated the whole Japanese population.

In the Asian cultures, in particularly East Asian culture, saving face is a big thing. You always have to look good even if it requires gross lies

In the Battle of Manila and Battle of Corregidor in 1945, No Japanese surrendered because they were either killed in battle or they committed suicide.

Just look at Battle of Okinawa. There is still bitterness between Okinawans and "mainland Japanese" regarding history. The Japanese government want to remove the Battle of Okinawa in history books. In the Battle of Okinawa, Japanese troops ordered many native Okinawans to commit suicide because they were losing from the US advance.

In the West and in the US, Historians who dig the past atrocities are not persecuted and are free to include it in their textbooks. In Japan, historians and Japanese who wanted to reconcile with other countries are persecuted by the government.

For us of Asian descent,the A-bombs saved us from the pillage of the Japanese.

Imagine: 300,000 CIVILIANS killed and raped in Nanking in a one month battle in 1942/43

and

It was repeated in the Battle of Manila in 1945 -- 100,000 CIVILIANS killed in one month. This is just the figure in Manila, not the entire Philippines.

Aprilyn, you stated : " If you knew Jesus, you'd know him as the Son of God, and that he never would make peace with Islam. "

Comment:

so why did Jesus say, " love your enemies", "pray for those who persecute you"

Why did Jesus disciples say in "Romans 8: 36-39:

As it is written:

“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter"

Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. "

Why the emphasis on love and not retaliation ?

Truth, you stated : " Because we didn't support and embolden the aggressive imperialism of Japan we started the war with Japan?"

Comment:

Just as Japan did not interfere with the US government's genocidal occupation of the Philippines or

the imperial ambitions of the US government as it took native lands from across North America, the Caribbean and the Pacific

the US government could have negotiated with Japan regarding its imperial ambitions in China and Korea.

Peacemaking would have produced much better results than aggression against an enemy that never interfered with the US government's imperial ambitions

Chimini, you stated : " Asians in Asia consider Hiroshima and Nagasaki as vitally important in ending the war."

Comment:

Japan was already defeated as early as July 1944 when

Tojo resigned,

Japan was unable to take back territory lost to the US

and Japan was negotiating concessions to the communists

but FDR was more interested in unconditional surrender than a negotiated settlement

even though FDR's ally the communists were

killing tens of millions of civilians

and the crushing of Japan enabled communism to expand in Asia resulting in

hundreds of thousands of US soldiers either dying horrifying deaths or being maimed, disfigured, deformed, blinded or paralyzed for life during the cold war.

Instead of accepting a cease fire, the US government chose to destroy Japan in 1945.

US government's foreign policy has only benefited the profit agenda of the warfare corporations and institutions over the centuries.

Chimini, you stated : " Did you know that th Japanese was busy expanding in Taiwan and Korea at that time and they actually DID consider annexing the Philippines after the Spanish American war."

Comment:

what is the difference between Japanese imperialism and the imperial of the US government across North America, the Caribbean and the Pacific

which resulted in the US government taking native lands and the genocidal occupation of the Philippines ?

Tom, you stated : " it was China that was the victim of unequal treaties with the West and with Japan."

Comment:

Are you saying that the west was unfair to China ?

When the Tokugawa seclusion (the sakoku policy) was forcibly breached in 1853–54 by Commodore Matthew C. Perry of the United States Navy, Japan found that geography no longer ensured security—the country was defenseless against military pressures and economic exploitation by the Western powers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Meiji_Japan

You are kidding, right?

The war was sanctioned by the Emperor. Tojo only killed himself when the Emperor, the ultimate ruler of Japan surrendered. The war did end in 1945 after

That was AFTER the A-bombs were dropped.

If the war ended in 1944 as you claimed, why did the Japanese slaughter the civilians in Manila in 1945?

As a matter of fact, Yamashita who was reassigned to the Philippines after Homa was removed surrendered one month AFTER Japan surrendered.

The last Japanese soldier to surrender was Onoda in 1970.

Again, you are disregarding the Asian casualties of the Japanese in Korea, China, and the Philippines.

The Japanese mentality in WW2 was be killed by the enemy or kill your self but never accept defeat.

Just look at the battles in the last part of the war. Almost no Japanese military surrendered. They just blasted off themselves

And unlike Germany who has admitted its fault and where Germans can freely talk about the holocaust and the evils of Hitler, the Japanese do not and has not. They are even trying to erase from their own textbook the Battle of Okinawa

Again, read about the Battle of Okinawa where the Japanese military ordered civilians to commit suicide because they were losing.

Now imagine the Emperor (who has been knowledgeable of what was going on) commanding Japanese citizens to commit suicide.

Compared to Nazi Germany, Japan got off lightly.

The killing of non-Japanese Asian civilians, prisoners of war, rape of non-Japanese Asian women were sanctioned by the government of Japan, BAYONETING OF BABIES -- which includes the Emperor.

Funny how Japan apologists are not enraged by the fire raid in Tokyo but insist to much on the A-bombs.

Before arguing, take consideration on the ASIAN perspective of the war. This is a DVD that is just exactly that. How Filipinos felt during the Japanese occupation.

Here is an personal narration of someone who survived the Battle of Manila in 1945

http://battlingbastardsbataan.com/james.htm

Tom, you stated : " The only reason I replied in this way was to insure that some schoolkid who stumbles on this site won't be taken in by your delusional revisionism."

Comment:

Its not revisionism, its to show that the US government could have negotiated with Japan instead of doing everyting within its power to push Japan into a corner

even though the US government did the same thing in the Philippines that the US government accuses Japan of doing in China/Korea

Chimini, you stated : " In many cases during the Japanese occupation many Filipino civilians risked their lives"

Comment:

The only reason the Japanese occupied the Philippines is due to

the west cutting off Japan from its oil supplies,

so Japan had to expand into South East Asia to not only secure its oil supplies but to

have western colonial possessions as a "bargaining chips" in a future negotiated peace deal with the west

The debate now would be "We should have dropped the A-bomb and have not let allowed the Japanese to pillage more non-Japanese Asians bayonetting babies, beheading men, raping women, burning villages".

By your argument, you are implying that the US should have allowed the slaughter of China, Korea, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore because of the US mistake in the Philippines (as favored by the DEMOCRATS)?

The debate on the A-bombs on Japan should be a conversation INCLUDING non-Japanese Asians. But often, Japanese apologists do not want to take the non-Japanese Asian point of view.

More survivor accounts:

http://video48.blogspot.com/2011/03/war-years-manila-massacre-of-1945-near.html

Here's for y'all New Mexicans out there

http://vimeo.com/13948783

"Funny, though, the majority of Buddhists, Christians, and Hindus on planet earth look ethnic too, but they are never cut the same slack as the stealth jihadists. No one calls Piss Christ a work of ethnic hatred, even though it would be if the same standard applied."

I've explored this in various essays as part of the complex. Part of the dynamic going on here is that "race" and "racism" are not coherent scientific concepts, strictly bound by rational rules of biological taxonomy. They are also subject to sociopolitical ideology which can range from the intelligent and erudite to the demagogic and deformed. As such, the concept of "race" is vulnerable to various forms of ideological manipulation.

The above is a necessarily truncated and simplistic summary of a very complicated subject, as a way to say that, in a nutshell, all non-Muslim "ethnic looking" peoples have become "Honorary Whites" as the West's PC MC has increasingly dug in its heels to "respect" Muslims post-911. And PC MC has not had to tinker greatly with the mechanisms of its paradigm to perform this contortion, since that paradigm is, from top to bottom, irrational (though its various parts fit together logically like a working machine -- a machine that obviously works efficiently, even if it involves things like -- to speak metaphorically -- upside-down toilets that efficiently spill their water from the ceiling and so forth).

Chimini, you stated : " it's really hard to call the a-bombs as terrorism because IT STOPPED THE JAPANESE PILLAGE OF other asians"

Comment:

Was the terror of the A-bomb in August 1945 and the burning alive of hundreds of thousands of civilians, children and babies necessary ?

Japan was already defeated as early as July 1944 when

Tojo resigned,

Japan was unable to take back territory lost to the US

and Japan was negotiating concessions to the communists

but FDR was more interested in unconditional surrender than a negotiated settlement

even though FDR's ally the communists were

killing tens of millions of civilians

and the crushing of Japan enabled communism to expand in Asia resulting in

hundreds of thousands of US soldiers either dying horrifying deaths or being maimed, disfigured, deformed, blinded or paralyzed for life during the cold war.

Instead of accepting a cease fire, the US government chose to destroy Japan in 1945.

US government's foreign policy has only benefited the profit agenda of the warfare corporations and institutions over the centuries.

Tom you stated : " "If the US govt never supported the chinese military against the Japanese govt"

Another monstrous lie, but this time against China. Japan invades China and kills by war and famine tens of millions of Chinese, and you think the two sides were morally equal? And if you reply they are not equal, what becomes of your complaint?"

Comment:

Atrocities were committed on both sides and the US government by supporting the Chinese military against Japan only made things worse :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_of_the_Second_Sino-Japanese_War

http://english.sina.com/china/2012/0508/465890.html

Solution:

Instead of supporting the Chinese military against Japan, the US government could have negotiated a peace settlement between Japan and China

keeping in mind the long history of US government imperialism and cruelty against the natives in North America, Caribbean and the Pacific

including the cruel occupation of the Philippines

Tom, you stated : " Japan invades China and kills by war and famine tens of millions of Chinese, and you think the two sides were morally equal?"

Comment:

As I said before, both sides committed atrocities:

Rummel estimates that Chiang Kai-Shek committed a total of 10,214,000 democides from 1921 to 1948:

http://necrometrics.com/20c1m.htm#Nationalist

Solution:

If the US government was the Peacemaker in the situation between Japan and China, the world would have admired the US government,

and the attacks on Pearl Harbor would not have happened

and the horror of the unnecessary atom "terror" bombing of Japan in which hundreds of thousands of civilians, children and babies were burned alive, could have been avoided

Tom, you stated : " I've seen that the Japanese tendency to groupthink is still far worse than anywhere else in Asia, even if their post-1945 culture has diluted it. A beautiful people with a beautiful culture, so very creative in so many ways, yet this thinking remains a vulnerability."

Comment:

yes, groupthink is bad, but what about collective punishment?

the burning alive of beautiful japanese children and babies by using the A-bomb for the wrongs done by a few in the japanese government.

Was the terror of the A-bomb in August 1945 and the burning alive of hundreds of thousands of civilians, children and babies necessary ?

Japan was already defeated as early as July 1944 when

Tojo resigned,

Japan was unable to take back territory lost to the US

and Japan was negotiating concessions to the communists , hoping the communists would mediate a peace deal with the US government,

but FDR was more interested in unconditional surrender than a negotiated settlement

even though FDR's ally the communists were

killing tens of millions of civilians

and the crushing of Japan enabled communism to expand in Asia resulting in

hundreds of thousands of US soldiers either dying horrifying deaths or being maimed, disfigured, deformed, blinded or paralyzed for life during the cold war.

Instead of accepting a cease fire, the US government chose to destroy Japan in 1945.

US government's foreign policy has only benefited the profit agenda of the warfare corporations and institutions over the centuries.

Wellington, you stated : " Truman's dropping of the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved far more lives than they destroyed."

Comment:

Was the terror of the A-bomb in August 1945 and the burning alive of hundreds of thousands of civilians, children and babies necessary ?

Japan was already defeated as early as July 1944 when

Tojo resigned,

Japan was unable to take back territory lost to the US

and Japan was negotiating concessions to the communists ,

hoping the communists would mediate a peace deal with the US government,

but FDR was more interested in unconditional surrender than a negotiated settlement

even though FDR's ally the communists were

killing tens of millions of civilians

and the crushing of Japan enabled communism to expand in Asia resulting in

hundreds of thousands of US soldiers either dying horrifying deaths or being maimed, disfigured, deformed, blinded or paralyzed for life during the cold war.

Instead of accepting a cease fire, the US government chose to destroy Japan in 1945.

US government's foreign policy has only benefited the profit agenda of the warfare corporations and institutions over the centuries.

You wrote:

"When Jesus was going to be killed by the mob, what did Jesus do?"

Jesus came to die for our sins, so He instructed Peter to put away his sword for a purpose, and then Jesus healed the soldier whose ear was cut off. This was a unique situation and *Time* for Jesus where He laid down His own life. He could have called down His holy angels to save Him from what was to come, but He didn't, since Jesus CAME to die for sins, and this was His moment.

The Gospel of John 10:18 ...

Jesus said: "No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

Also, note that Peter carried a sword for protection--as did all the disciples--so Jesus did not object to them having a sword. And Jesus instructed His disciples to bring their swords on all of their other trips. This was Jesus appointed time to die for our sins, that's why He stepped in to stop Peter. But Christians know this--which leads me to agree with both Aprilyn and Jan--that you are NOT a true Christian at all; and I think that you are here merely to detract from the main topic and undermine Christianity, and in a sly sort of way, but you aren't fooling us.

Wellington, you stated : " America has shown the capacity to apologize for its wrongdoings, such as in its treatment of the Americna Indians. When has the Islamic world ever apologized for its wrongdoings, which are legion? "

Comment:

has the US government ever apologized for the

terror of the atom bomb which burned alive hundreds of thousands of civilians, children and babies ?

Was the terror of the A-bomb in August 1945 and the burning alive of hundreds of thousands of civilians, children and babies necessary ?

Japan was already defeated as early as July 1944 when

Tojo resigned,

Japan was unable to take back territory lost to the US

and Japan was negotiating concessions to the communists , hoping the communists would mediate a peace deal with the US government,

but FDR was more interested in unconditional surrender than a negotiated settlement

even though FDR's ally the communists were

killing tens of millions of civilians

and the crushing of Japan enabled communism to expand in Asia resulting in

hundreds of thousands of US soldiers either dying horrifying deaths or being maimed, disfigured, deformed, blinded or paralyzed for life during the cold war.

Instead of accepting a cease fire, the US government chose to destroy Japan in 1945.

US government's foreign policy has only benefited the profit agenda of the warfare corporations and institutions over the centuries.

Chimini, you stated: " If not for the A-bombs, the Japanese emperor would have terminated the whole Japanese population."

Comment:

What was the emperor doing in 1944 ?

Way before the A-bomb in 1945, the Japanese were already negotiating concessions to the communists ,

hoping the communists would mediate a peace deal with the US government,

but FDR was more interested in unconditional surrender than a negotiated settlement

even though FDR's ally the communists were

killing tens of millions of civilians

and the crushing of Japan enabled communism to expand in Asia resulting in

hundreds of thousands of US soldiers either dying horrifying deaths or being maimed, disfigured, deformed, blinded or paralyzed for life during the cold war.

Instead of accepting a cease fire, the US government chose to destroy Japan in 1945.

US government's foreign policy has only benefited the profit agenda of the warfare corporations and institutions over the centuries.

Chimini, you stated : " If the war ended in 1944 as you claimed, why did the Japanese slaughter the civilians in Manila in 1945?"

Comment:

I did not say the war ended in 1944.

What I did say is the Japanese were already defeated by July 1944

and all the US government had to do is declare a cease fire and negotiate a peace deal

which would have included the Philippines.

Japan was already defeated as early as July 1944 when

Tojo resigned,

Japan was unable to take back territory lost to the US

and Japan was negotiating concessions to the communists , hoping the communists would mediate a peace deal with the US government,

but FDR was more interested in unconditional surrender than a negotiated settlement

even though FDR's ally the communists were

killing tens of millions of civilians

and the crushing of Japan enabled communism to expand in Asia resulting in

hundreds of thousands of US soldiers either dying horrifying deaths or being maimed, disfigured, deformed, blinded or paralyzed for life during the cold war.

Instead of accepting a cease fire, the US government chose to destroy Japan in 1945.

US government's foreign policy has only benefited the profit agenda of the warfare corporations and institutions over the centuries.

Chimini, you stated : " If the war ended in 1944 as you claimed, why did the Japanese slaughter the civilians in Manila in 1945?"

Comment:

I did not say the war ended in 1944.

What I did say is the Japanese were already defeated by July 1944

and all the US government had to do is declare a cease fire and negotiate a peace deal

which would have included the Philippines.

Japan was already defeated as early as July 1944 when

Tojo resigned,

Japan was unable to take back territory lost to the US

and Japan was negotiating concessions to the communists ,

hoping the communists would mediate a peace deal with the US government,

but FDR was more interested in unconditional surrender than a negotiated settlement

even though FDR's ally the communists were

killing tens of millions of civilians

and the crushing of Japan enabled communism to expand in Asia resulting in

hundreds of thousands of US soldiers either dying horrifying deaths or being maimed, disfigured, deformed, blinded or paralyzed for life during the cold war.

Instead of accepting a cease fire, the US government chose to destroy Japan in 1945.

US government's foreign policy has only benefited the profit agenda of the warfare corporations and institutions over the centuries.

Champ, I think it's long past time for us to tell this particular "Peter" to "get thee behind me, Satan!" Unlike the original Peter, this one is just going to peter out and be damned.

Chimini, you stated : " Translating the 1940's Japan to today's Islamism"

Comment:

Islamism is very different from Japan's imperial ambitions.

We do not find any muslim country wanting to expand its territory like Japan or the US government did in expanding across North America, the Caribbean and the Pacific.

Japan was wanting to dominate Korea and China till the western powers intervened

and that is when Japan decided to expand its domination by taking the western colonial possessions in South East Asia in order for those colonial possessions to serve as "bargaining chips" in a future negotiated peace deal with the west

Chimini, you stated : "you are implying that the US should have allowed the slaughter of China, Korea, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore because of the US mistake in the Philippines"

Comment:

I am not implying the US government should look the other way when atrocities are committed.

What I am implying is that the US government's foreign policy makes things much worse than they could have been.

Instead of pushing Japan into a corner which resulted in Japan expanding its ambitions beyond China and Korea,

the US government could have easily been the peacemaker between China and Japan

since atrocities were committed by both sides

Rummel estimates that Chiang Kai-Shek committed a total of 10,214,000 democides from 1921 to 1948:

http://necrometrics.com/20c1m.htm#Nationalist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_of_the_Second_Sino-Japanese_War

http://english.sina.com/china/2012/0508/465890.html

Solution:

Instead of supporting the Chinese military against Japan, the US government could have negotiated a peace settlement between Japan and China

keeping in mind the long history of US government imperialism and cruelty against the natives in North America, Caribbean and the Pacific

including the cruel occupation of the Philippines

Champ, I think it's long past time for us to tell this particular "Peter" to "get thee behind me, Satan!" Unlike the original Peter, this one is just going to peter out and be damned.

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So right, LemonLime! ...yeah he isn't a Christian at all, but a mohammedan troll with evil intent ..."get thee behind me, Satan!" ..good one, lol!

Get lost, you wicked lil' troll ...no one's interested in your bogus "information".

Chimini, you stated : " This nation deserved to be atom-bombed for the atrocities it committed in my country"

Comment:

The US government should not have punished hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese children and babies by burning them alive, using the atom and fire bombs

for the atrocities committed by the Japanese government.

I am blaming both the Japanese government and the US government for the roles they played in instigating each other which resulted in atrocities committed by both sides

Chimini, you stated : " More accounts from survivors of Manila"

Comment:

The Japanese would not even be in the Philippines if the US government had not cut off oil supplies to Japan and supported the Chinese military against Japan.

As I said before, both sides committed atrocities:

Rummel estimates that Chiang Kai-Shek committed a total of 10,214,000 democides from 1921 to 1948:

http://necrometrics.com/20c1m.htm#Nationalist

Solution:

Instead of supporting the Chinese military against Japan, the US government could have negotiated a peace settlement between Japan and China

and in so doing, Japan would not have invaded the Philippines

and the only reason Japan invaded the Philippines is because Japan was deprived of oil due to western sanctions

and so Japan decided to expand its domination by taking the western colonial possessions in South East Asia in order for those colonial possessions to serve as "bargaining chips" in a future negotiated peace deal with the west

Champ, you stated : " note that Peter carried a sword for protection--as did all the disciples"

Comment:

I having nothing against protection, what I am against is war.

Did the disciples of Christ go to war with Rome ?

the community blog has just been updated as of today, Wednesday 9/26

by one of our community contributors.

Read the additional material and let me know your thoughts, thanks:

Its under the title "WHAT IS WAR ALL ABOUT? "

http://worldpeacethroughworldwidedisarmament.blogspot.com/?view=flipcard

I've explored this in various essays as part of the complex. Part of the dynamic going on here is that "race" and "racism" are not coherent scientific concepts, strictly bound by rational rules of biological taxonomy. They are also subject to sociopolitical ideology which can range from the intelligent and erudite to the demagogic and deformed. As such, the concept of "race" is vulnerable to various forms of ideological manipulation…. …in a nutshell, all non-Muslim "ethnic looking" peoples have become "Honorary Whites" as the West's PC MC has increasingly dug in its heels to "respect" Muslims post-911.,.

I find this to be a very interesting point, LemonLime. Have you formulated any prescriptions, from an anti-jihad perspective, with regard to this? I’ve recently started reading your blog on a semi-regular basis. Can you point me to any essays that you’ve written that offer a way forward in response to this strange and, yes, complicated obstruction? Do you think that anti-jihadists should lean more toward ceasing expending effort drawing a distinction between ideology and race because it’s a waste of time? Or is there a more active approach possible that front? I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts.

…perhaps a little judo would work better than karate.

Any expansion on that would be most welcome. I am certainly out of ideas on this front. The irrationality confounds me. But my instinct is to up the karate, because I don’t see a judo move to make here. Thoughts?

Champ, you stated : " Poster "Peter" is a mohammedan slave, that much is clear "

Comment:

mohammedan slaves do not try making peace between christians and muslims which I am doing right now

since Jesus said, "blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God"

Welcome back troll

"Are you saying that the west was unfair to China ?"

Of course. The only unfair treaties that had some justification were the ones that brought some degree of Western jurisprudence to China, since China's legal system failed to secure basic rights for the accused.

"When the Tokugawa seclusion (the sakoku policy) was forcibly breached in 1853–54 by Commodore Matthew C. Perry of the United States Navy, Japan found that geography no longer ensured security"

And Perry's mission was justified, because the Tokugawa seclusion was maintained by the execution of innocent American sailors who were shipwrecked on Japanese soil. Also, it did Japan a great favor, because it convinced Japan to modernize so as to avoid the fate of China.

"yes, groupthink is bad, but what about collective punishment?"

Sorry, not going to take that bait. It's already been dealt with on this thread to your loss.

"Japan was already defeated as early as July 1944 when Tojo resigned"

Totally untrue. See Leyte, Iwo Jima, Okinawa

"...but FDR was more interested in unconditional surrender than a negotiated settlement even though FDR's ally the communists were killing tens of millions of civilians and the crushing of Japan enabled communism to expand in Asia resulting in hundreds of thousands of US soldiers either dying horrifying deaths or being maimed, disfigured, deformed, blinded or paralyzed for life during the cold war."

So you are arguing that Communism was the real threat, and that the U.S. should have aligned itself with fascist Japan? Why not then align with Nazi Germany against the USSR too? I have news for you: the Cold War was going to happen regardless of the outcome of WW2, and the choice the West had was to face down a nuclear Soviet Union or a nuclear Nazi Germany after a Soviet defeat.

But I want to draw attention to that last quote of yours'. It is a bait and switch tactic. If we fight one enemy with an alliance with another we will always be wrong in the eyes of people like you. You are either a simpleton, a moral idiot, or an amoral shape shifter who will always find a way to blame the West in general and the U.S. in particular.

You are stupid or evil. Get lost.

Lemon, you stated : " "get thee behind me, Satan!"

Comment:

As Jesus said the above to Peter, so it is possible for Christians to be influenced by Satan ? and not just a tiny minority of muslims being influenced by Satan, right ?

You wrote:

"I having nothing against protection, what I am against is war."

You've contradicted yourself most profoundly in your above comment ...

In the face of a clear and present danger, a preventive or preemptive strike is fully justifiable. At present, Iran poses such a threat; not only to Israel, the U.S., but to the entire world.

Your postition is foolish and dangerous. And of course no one likes war, but at times they are quite necessary. You live in la-la-land.

Lemon, you stated : " If you want a good education in WW2 and our need to use the A-bomb on the Japanese "

Comment;

There was no need to use the A-bomb and fire bombs in burning alive hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese children and babies

because

Japan was already defeated as early as July 1944 when

Tojo resigned,

Japan was unable to take back territory lost to the US

and Japan was negotiating concessions to the communists ,

hoping the communists would mediate a peace deal with the US government,

but FDR was more interested in unconditional surrender than a negotiated settlement

even though FDR's ally the communists were

killing tens of millions of civilians

and the crushing of Japan enabled communism to expand in Asia resulting in

hundreds of thousands of US soldiers either dying horrifying deaths or being maimed, disfigured, deformed, blinded or paralyzed for life during the cold war.

Instead of accepting a cease fire, the US government chose to destroy Japan in 1945.

US government's foreign policy has only benefited the profit agenda of the warfare corporations and institutions over the centuries.

Champ, you stated : " he isn't a Christian at all, but a mohammedan troll with evil intent"

Comment:

In the history of muslims, did any muslim ever hide the fact that he was muslim by pretending to be a christian Peacemaker ?

If I truly was a Mohammedan, why would I be saying I am a Christian Peacemaker, making peace between christians and muslims ?

I want to be called a child of God, since Jesus said "Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God"

Champ, you stated : " ...no one's interested in your bogus "information"."

Comment:

If you can point out any bogus information, I will either explain it better or correct it, thanks

Rules are made to be broken, once in a while, so I'll respond to Peter:

As Jesus said the above to Peter, so it is possible for Christians to be influenced by Satan ? and not just a tiny minority of muslims being influenced by Satan, right ?

As I understand Christian theology and anthropology, anyone may be influenced by Satan. However, it's reasonable to suppose that Islam itself is a creation of Satan, and that it has a supernatural influence on its followers (where the symbolisms Satan and supernatural do not have to be taken literally for my theory to be true).

Thus, while Satanic influence tries to find success anywhere it can, and fitfully succeeds here and there in various ways, Satan's great and spectacular project from the moment he was definitively repudiated and humiliated by Jesus Christ was the creation of Islam and the way through it he has managed to fool millions of Muslims into thinking they are worshipping God and rejecting Satan when in fact they are doing the precise opposite -- and in the process, of course, not only blacken their own souls unto damnation, but perpetrate wicked deeds to try to demean, distort, disfigure and physically destroy God's pinnacle of creation, human beings.

Tom, you stated : " "Are you saying that the west was unfair to China ?"

Of course."

Comment:

If you believe the west is capable of being unfair,

was the US government being unfair to the hundreds of thousands of Japanese children and babies when

the US government terrorized them by dropping the A-bomb on them in August 1945

and burning alive hundreds of thousands of civilians, children and babies ?

when Japan was already defeated as early as July 1944 when

Tojo resigned,

Japan was unable to take back territory lost to the US

and Japan was negotiating concessions to the communists , hoping the communists would mediate a peace deal with the US government,

but FDR was more interested in unconditional surrender than a negotiated settlement

even though FDR's ally the communists were

killing tens of millions of civilians

and the crushing of Japan enabled communism to expand in Asia resulting in

hundreds of thousands of US soldiers either dying horrifying deaths or being maimed, disfigured, deformed, blinded or paralyzed for life during the cold war.

Instead of accepting a cease fire, the US government chose to destroy Japan in 1945.

US government's foreign policy has only benefited the profit agenda of the warfare corporations and institutions over the centuries.

Thanks for your thoughtful response and questions, Fiqh Al-Matter. Let me think about it and get back to you on that. I do have a couple of essays on my blog that might help to get me started in answering you, but it will take a few hours to get to it.

Tentatively for now, I don't see why we can't pursue a two-pronged approach, where one prong will be to continue to push for racial profiling, halting immigration of all Muslims, and eventually total deportation of Muslims; and the other prong will continue to articulate that we are doing all of this not for racist reasons but for self-defense against followers of a deadly ideology. Since our anxious and gingerly care thus far to try not to be "racist" (i.e., pursuing only one prong) hasn't seemed to work -- everybody in the mainstream still calls us "racist" -- then why not at least proceed with the intellectual activism necessary to get the momentum of the ball rolling on the profiling/immigration/deportation side in addition to concentrating on the exposure of the ideology?

It is, after all, the latter that is rationally necessitating the former -- even of most (even perhaps within the Counter Jihad) don't see it.

Until later,
Hesp

Tom, you stated : " So you are arguing that Communism was the real threat, and that the U.S. should have aligned itself with fascist Japan? "

Comment:

I am not arguing that the US government should have aligned itself with Japan.

What I am arguing is the US government should have been a Peacemaker between China and Japan instead of taking sides since both sides committed atrocities :

Rummel estimates that Chiang Kai-Shek committed a total of 10,214,000 democides from 1921 to 1948:

http://necrometrics.com/20c1m.htm#Nationalist

Solution:

If the US government was the Peacemaker in the situation between Japan and China, the world would have admired the US government,

and the attacks on Pearl Harbor would not have happened

and the horror of the unnecessary atom "terror" bombing of Japan in which hundreds of thousands of civilians, children and babies were burned alive, could have been avoided

Given your inability to see how inherently evil islam is, and that muslims are permitted to LIE; then yes, it is reasonable for me and others to conclude that you are in fact a mohammedan troll slave practicing taqiyya.

And "Aprilyn" made a great point on this thread @9:28PM on 9-25:

"If you knew Jesus, you'd know him as the Son of God, and that he never would make peace with Islam. Why? Because, Jesus doesn't make peace with satan ... with evil. He always took authority over satan. Also, consider the un-peaceful, un-diplomatic way in which Jesus treated the religious leaders, the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Jesus was no diplomat, he made no concession to them, never watched what he said; No, Jesus, insulted, corrected and rebuked them, and they hated him for it ... they hated him unto death."

Champ, you stated : " In the face of a clear and present danger, a preventive or preemptive strike is fully justifiable. At present, Iran poses such a threat; not only to Israel, the U.S., but to the entire world."

Comment:

Jesus knew the Romans were a clear and present danger to the Jews since the Jews refused to be peacemakers and so in AD70, the terrorist Romans slaughtered the Jews and destroyed their temple.

So what did Jesus do ? He kept on preaching his peace message instead of encouraging the Jews to preemptively strike at the terrorist Romans.

What evidence is there that Iran is a danger since Iran has had nuclear material and chemical weapons for decades and never once used it in a dirty bomb against israel or any other country ?

Just as we should have co-opted the Soviets and prevented the expensive Cold War, we should co-opt the Ayatollahs and prevent any war between Iran and Israel.

The unnecessary cold war cost the US government about 5.5 trillion dollars while

the beneficiaries of the Cold War expenditures, the warfare corporations and institutions were “laughing all the way to the bank”

and the money was being either wasted or stolen or wasted on building up unnecessary nuclear weapons of terror.

To this day, the pentagon cannot account for all the money spent on the Cold War and because of that the Pentagon has never passed a financial audit :

http://www.politifact.com/oregon/statements/2012/apr/13/peter-defazio/defazio-says-pentagon-cant-track-its-budget-we-aud/

The US government could have paid a billion dollars each to a thousand Soviet leaders in order to prevent the Cold War

and even with a trillion dollars going to the Soviet leadership,

the US government could have still saved 4.5 trillion dollars which could have been used to raise the standard of living and health standards of every American

and could have been used to have the best infrastructure in the world plus we could have found the ultimate cure for cancer ( cancer alone kills over a million Americans every two years

Ah, I see what you’re saying. Actually, that was a pretty complete response Hesp. Thanks.

The critical part: “two-pronged approach.”

Perhaps a metaphor for countering the stealth-jihad/ overt-jihad combo with a psychological model, or understanding, of our own, eh? This helps.

Tom, you stated : " "(I stated : )Japan was already defeated as early as July 1944 when Tojo resigned"

Totally untrue. See Leyte, Iwo Jima, Okinawa"

Comment:

If Japan was not defeated by July 1944, why was Japan not able to take back territory they lost to the US after July 1944 ?

Tom, you stated : " You are either a simpleton, a moral idiot, or an amoral shape shifter who will always find a way to blame the West in general and the U.S. in particular."

Comment:

Its not my intention to just blame.

My intention is to bring out the best in the US government by encouraging the US government to be a Peacemaker rather than

an instigator or taking sides when often both sides commmit atrocities.

The only people who benefit from war are the owners of the warfare corporations and institutions and their employees

because the greater the destruction, the more lucrative the profit opportunities to rebuild the country since a war torn country needs everything from basic necessities to rebuilding the infrastructure.

Also, since the Pentagon cannot account for trillions of hard earned tax dollars that have been stolen and/or wasted the Pentagon is the primary driver of war since

only during a war or conflict is the scrutiny of the Pentagon at its lowest and so it can keep pushing off the financial audit which the Pentagon has never passed :

http://www.politifact.com/oregon/statements/2012/apr/13/peter-defazio/defazio-says-pentagon-cant-track-its-budget-we-aud/

How does the Pentagon “manufacture fear “ in order to loot the treasury of trillions of dollars of hard earned taxpayers money ?

(1) The Pentagon instigates the enemy by conducting operations that end up collaterally killing or directly killing the enemy or civilians in enemy territory

(2) The enemy reacts adversely by either killing US government’ personnel or American civilians

(3) The US government directs the American public to those adverse reactions, exaggerating the attacks as an existential threat to our very existence

(4) The fearful American public in turn does not question the trillions of hard earned tax dollars that end up in the hands of the rich and powerful supporters of the US government

(5) Whether “manufactured fear” results in war or not, the rich and powerful in the warfare corporations are not bothered with that question, as long as the US government supports the profit agenda of the corporate welfare system of the warfare corporations and institutions

(6) To solve a problem, the Pentagon prefers spending trillions first before solving the problem with millions:

The "war on terror" or the "terror of war" should never have started in the first place since

our CIA could have easily tracked down Bin Laden as did happen in 2010 or negotiated for his arrest by co-opting the Taliban.

But the problem is the government will first spend trillions to satisfy the profit agenda of their supporters in the warfare corporations and institutions

before spending millions to actually solve the problem.

(CBS) On Sept. 10, 2001 Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld declared war. Not on foreign terrorists, "the adversary's closer to home. It's the Pentagon bureaucracy," he said.

He said money wasted by the military poses a serious threat.

"In fact, it could be said it's a matter of life and death," he said.

More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.

"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.

$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America.

To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.

"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.

Minnery, a former Marine turned whistle-blower, is risking his job by speaking out for the first time about the millions he noticed were missing from one defense agency's balance sheets. Minnery tried to follow the money trail, even crisscrossing the country looking for records.

"The director looked at me and said 'Why do you care about this stuff?' It took me aback, you know?

My supervisor asking me why I care about doing a good job," said Minnery.

He was reassigned and says officials then covered up the problem by just writing it off.

"They have to cover it up," he said. "That's where the corruption comes in. They have to cover up the fact that they can't do the job."

The Pentagon's Inspector General "partially substantiated" several of Minnery's allegations but could not prove officials tried "to manipulate the financial statements."

Twenty years ago, Department of Defense Analyst Franklin C. Spinney made headlines exposing what he calls the "accounting games."

He's still there, and although he does not speak for the Pentagon, he believes the problem has gotten worse.

"Those numbers are pie in the sky. The books are cooked routinely year after year," he said.

Another critic of Pentagon waste, Retired Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, commanded the Navy's 2nd Fleet the first time Donald Rumsfeld served as Defense Secretary, in 1976.

In his opinion, "With good financial oversight we could find $48 billion in loose change in that building, without having to hit the taxpayers.":

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

Instead of covertly targeting Bin Laden as the US government did in 2011 through a inexpensive covert operation, the US government decided to launch trillion dollar wars on Afghanistan and Iraq.

It is clear that the declaration of war on Afghanistan and Iraq was pushed for by the Pentagon in order to cover up the missing trillions because only during war, scrutiny of the Pentagon is suspended.

In order to cover up the looting of trillions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money its become clear the Pentagon has been pushing for war for every problem the US government faces;

so the continued looting of the treasury can continue without accountability.

And because the corruption is so great, the Defense Department has stated that the Pentagon can only be fully audited in 2017 almost 17 years after Defense Secretary was brave enough to declare trillions of hard earned tax dollars was not accounted for or missing:

http://www.pgpf.org/Issues/Fiscal-Outlook/2010/07/12/Why-Defense-Matters-For-Deficit-Reduction.aspx

Lemon, you stated : " it's reasonable to suppose that Islam itself is a creation of Satan, "

Comment:

if Islam is a creation of Satan, why does Islam talk so highly of Jesus and Mary and other Prophets

Champ, you stated : " Given your inability to see how inherently evil islam is"

Comment:

Can you explain how a religion that respects and glorifies Christ and Mary and Biblical Prophets can be inherently evil ?

Wellington, you stated : " Islam still seeks its twisted, malevolent goals"

Comment:

islam has goals ? when muslims are so disunited

and that is one reason there are over 50 muslim countries since they are not united in any kind of goal

You've been caught in a wealth of lies -- again.

Adios, mohammedan troll.

Champ, you stated : " And islam blasphemes Jesus by claiming that upon Christ's second coming that He will return as a muslim (oh please!), and then proceed to kill all Christians. "

Comment:

If Islam considers Christians the "people of the book" why would the "islamic Jesus" want to kill Christians ?

Champ, you stated : " You've been caught in a wealth of lies -- again."

Comment:

If you can point out the "lies", I will either explain it better or correct it, thanks

Islam can have its twisted goals AND Muslims can be so disunited BECAUSE, Peter, both Islam and Muslims are screwed up. In case you didn't think about it, you can have a belief system which is dysfunctional (i.e, Islam) and believers in the belief system who are dysfunctional (i.e, Muslims). Duh.

Really, if this is the best you can do for a retort, give it up. Just when I think you can't get any more dense, you surprise me by doing so.

Wellington, you stated : " Islam can have its twisted goals AND Muslims can be so disunited".

Comment:

So since muslims are so disunited, how can they achieve any world conquering goals ?

Fishinism sez: "B) Israel invaded Palestine. What does Jihad have to do with it? Seems to me collective brainwash is really taking a toll on civilized American minds."

Some time ago Jihad Watch Board Vice President Hugh Fitzgerald wrote a superb piece entitled "The Mask Slips in Gaza." Now the mask is off altogether.

The mask has not merely slipped in Gaza. It is entirely off. Jihad, jihad, jihad. Use the word. The Arabs and Muslims are using it, day after day, not least in Gaza. It is a Jihad. It is prompted by the tenets of Islam, and those tenets do not say "compromise with the Infidels." Those tenets do not say "leave them with a tiny rump state." Those tenets do not say "Push them back to the pre-1967 armistice lines" or "Push them back until they are sufficiently small." No, Islam tells Muslims not to countenance, not to endure, any Infidel state, any state which permits non-Muslims the right to determine their own destiny, any entity or institution which would allow non-Muslims that modicum of power that would keep them from being reduced to the status of dhimmis -- no, neither the Qur'an, nor the Hadith, nor the example of Muhammad himself, permits such an interpretation.
Some, but not enough, Israelis, have come to understand this -- not enough in time to prevent the Gaza disaster. But whether the Israelis do or do not come to comprehend their enemy and the relentless Jihad against them, that is no reason for the rest of us, the Infidels outside the Middle East, not to recognize the nature of the war against Israel and how it merely prefigures, and is not the cause of, the larger world-wide Jihad against all Infidels, to be conducted with whatever means prove most efficacious. It does not make sense to pursue open military challenges to the West. It does make sense to divide and demoralize and terrorize not only that West, but all parts of the Infidel population, whether or not they are within dar al-Islam: the Christians who remain in the Middle East, along with the Jews in Israel, as well as the Hindus and Buddhists and Confucians in such Muslim-ruled countries as Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia, or even within Infidel lands where a small Muslim population still manages, as in Europe or Thailand or the Philippines or even India, to conduct attacks on Infidels despite the disparity in numbers.

Why is it that the Western world and Americans in particular fail to comprehend this and waste time actually ignoring the problem of Islam and pretending that the matter can somehow be solved if alternative regimes -- a primitive democracy rather than a primitive despotism in Iraq, for example -- will somehow help to contain the threat of Islam? It will do no such thing. The way to contain Islam is not to better the lot, still less to sacrifice one's own men and materiel and money to do so, of Muslims, however plausible some of the westernized representatives (Shalabi, Rend al-Rahim Francke, Kanan Makiya, Allawi himself), the unrepresentative representatives, may be. Rather, the way to contain Islam is to play upon and exploit the natural divisions within this or that Muslim state or population, so as to turn Muslim against Muslim, or, in the case of the Kurds, by supporting them to the hilt, to make the case of all non-Arab Muslims everywhere who wish to shake off the dominance of the Arab supremacist ideology for which Islam has always been a vehicle.
While the mask is off in Gaza, Western dhimmis are doing their utmost to keep it in place. I just finished watching a propaganda piece on the Bill Moyers show. It was all about some "Palestinian" Arab widows trying to make a go of it as the start-up owners of a pickle factory. I did not count the many occasions on which it was suggested -- no, stated -- that everything depended on Allah, the number of times "Inshallah" (God willing) and other phrases were inserted into conversations, not as mere rhetoric, but as expressions of deep belief. Inshallah-fatalism is not conducive to economic activity. It has its points: it can reconcile one to a miserable condition and even to the injustice of the very belief-system that is almost entirely responsible for that miserable condition. But industriousness, entrepreneurial flair, and the constant attention to detail that modern economies require are simply incompatible with the lessons and tenets of Islam, and the overall attitude of inshallah-fatalism cannot be ignored, for it pervades everything.

After the propaganda show was over, Moyers interviewed one Azza Karam, an Egyptian woman described as connected to the U.N. Commission on Arab Development (or some such name). She of course, when asked about the possible connection between the teachings of Islam and the miserable condition of these widows and of women under Islam, referred to "tribal culture." One would think that the cities of Islam -- from Cairo and Tunis and Damascus, all the way to Karachi and Dacca and Jakarta, owed the treatment of women to some "tribal culture." And even if one could pretend that "tribal culture" rather than Islam was responsible for the treatment of women in, say, Iraq (which does have a tribal culture in many areas), could the same be said for Cairo? And even if we were to pretend that this "tribal culture" explained the position of women in the Middle East and North Africa, what "tribal culture" is there in Jakarta?

And even if we were, just for the hell of it, to pretend that it was "tribal culture" that explained the mistreatment of women everywhere in dar al-Islam, then how would we explain the same mistreatment of Muslim women in the Muslim areas of London, Paris, Milan, and Barcelona? The lingering effects of "tribal culture"? And what about the treatment of Western women who marry Muslim men, whether those women "revert" to Islam (i.e., convert) or not? Is their mistreatment, which has been so widely reported (not least after they flee those marriages that are often of convenience -- to the green-card seeking Muslim groom), the result of their "tribal culture"?

The viewer saw Azza Karam's attempt to defend Islam at all costs -- in her constant refusal to even permit the slightest hint that just maybe, there was something in the Qur'an, in the Hadith, in the Sira, that might cause Muslim men to act as they do (and there is, there is), and put the kind of restrictions they do on Muslim women -- as the transparent taqiyya it is. But no matter how often one views this spectacle -- of the Muslim who is intelligent, personable (up to a point), and seemingly part of the same rational universe, and yet who suddenly reveals that coute que coute, that person is going to lie about, to dissimulate, to hide, the truth about Islam, for Islam must never ever be subject to a hint of criticism – it is always stunning.

Really, Azza Karam's performance was astonishing, and most enlightening. One hopes that many non-Muslims will be able to -- as we old vaudevillians say -- catch her act. The things she does with masks are breathtaking.

""Peter" is a diversion from the real struggle at hand, this being what to do with the monster of a religion which is Islam...Now, I don't mind a diversion here and there, since diversions can sometimes be fun, but Peter does not add up to fun, just annoyance and irrelevancy."

I agree. I'd like to say that his repetitions are a hallmark of someone with autism or OCD, but that would be an insult to my friends and relatives who struggle with these afflictions but would never think of acting the way he does.

I vote to read him his rights: cut the crap or get banned.

Fishinism sez: " It is offensive to be labeled a savage when you've invested money, effort, and tears in your development. It is offensive to get the facts wrong when the truth is right in front of your eyes, but you just chose not to see.

It is beyond offensive, it is rude.

But after all, rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength. (Oh wait, should I have said civilized?)

Here's an example of how Palestinians are promoting jihad

Moderate Palestinian Authority TV: Jews and Christians are "inferior and smaller, more cowardly and despised"

Imagine the outcry if a Christian TV station said this about Muslims. But no one will take notice of this from the "moderate" Palestinian Authority. "PA TV teaches kids: Christians and Jews are inferior, cowardly and despised," by Itamar Marcus and Nan Jacques Zilberdik for Palestinian Media Watch, May 23:

A young Palestinian girl was asked to recite a poem during a PA TV children's program. This poem, according to the host of the show, teaches children "responsibility and belonging."...
PA TV host: "You are going to recite a poem, which also teaches us responsibility and belonging."

Girl: "... The occupier stole my land and my grandfathers' land...
Where is your sword, Khaled (Arab warrior)?
Where is your courage, Saladin (Muslim conqueror)?
But no one answered me.
Where is my weapon? I found it - a stone. I took it and threw it at the enemies of destiny. I taught the world that the Muslim in the name of Allah cannot be defeated...
They challenge us with the White House, and we challenge them with the [Islamic] awakening and the Kaaba [in Mecca]. They aren't stronger than Khosrau and Caesar (rulers of Persian and Byzantine Empires).
They [Christians and Jews] are inferior and smaller, more cowardly and despised. They are remnants of the [Christian] crusaders and Khaibar (i.e., Jewish village destroyed by Muslims in 629)...
Oh Muslims of the world: Awaken, you have slept too long.
Your fathers and your sons are being massacred, your Al-Aqsa [Mosque] is defiled and destroyed."

Host: "Bravo! Applause for our friend Lara."
[PA TV (Fatah), May 11, 2012]

"if Islam is a creation of Satan, why does Islam talk so highly of Jesus and Mary and other Prophets"

I told you already. You seem intelligent -- are you unable to make reasonable inferences?

[Satan]...has managed to fool millions of Muslims into thinking they are worshipping God and rejecting Satan when in fact they are doing the precise opposite...

In addition, the Islamic Jesus and Mary are sly copies of the Judaeo-Christian Jesus and Mary, twisted versions of the originals for those with any knowledge, but able to fool innumerable Western idiots, and through demonic possession innumerable Muslims.

"So since muslims are so disunited, how can they achieve any world conquering goals ? "

Muslims will most likely not be successful in their goal of world conquest and domination, because of their inherent and massive dysfunctionality (more like pathology) as Wellington pointed out -- but merely in fanatically trying, but failing to succeed in this goal, they will be able to (and already have been able to) wreak horrific destruction of property and people -- which we have every right and obligation to try to minimize, if not stop.

Now shut the fuck up so we can get on with that.

Tom,you stated : " I'd like to say that his repetitions are a hallmark of someone with autism or OCD, "

Comment:

The repetitions is because the people here are making similar statements, so I am assuming they are not reading my other responses and so I have to repeat some of the things said

If you do not want me to repeat my answers, ask a different question or make a different statement

Lemon, you stated : " through demonic possession "

Comment:

so the person who is possessed does not have free will ?

lemon, you stated : "they will be able to (and already have been able to) wreak horrific destruction of property and people --"

Comment:

So why is it that every great destruction of life and property in the 20th century has been caused by non-muslims( compared to what muslims have done ) ?

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/war-1900.htm

Jan, you stated : " Christ as some kind of wimpy, wishy-washy new ager who wants us all to lie down in front of the bulldozers, or the islamic jihad."

Comment:

Jesus told the Jews to be peacemakers but the Jews did not listen.

Jesus then told the Jews to flee Jerusalem if the terrorist Romans came to destroy Jerusalem ( which the terrorist Romans did in AD70)

and still the Jews did not listen since in AD70, the Jews tried to defend Jerusalem.

So did Jesus then ask the Jews to premptively strike at the terrorist Romans, since Jesus knew the Jews were going to be slaughtered and their temple destroyed ?

No, Jesus kept on preaching the message of peace, even though he knew the Romans were going to massacre the Jews in AD70.

and Jesus kept saying the following to the Jews, even though he knew eventually the Jews would be massacred in AD70

Jesus said to "love your enemies", "pray for those who persecute you", "turn the other cheek", " if somebody forces you to go a mile, go two miles".

So if the Jews did not listen to Jesus, does that mean Jesus was soft on terror or wise about it in warning the Jews about the terrorist Romans ?

SOLUTION:

The best way to win over terror is to be a Peacemaker as Jesus told us to do and in so doing, we win over our enemies or at least stop the terror

since terrorists only react to the terror caused by our government.

As Peter Ustinov stated : "War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful...

...and terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless."

Fiqh, I just put up an essay that speaks to the particular problem we were talking about:

The "A" word and the proverbial tree in the forest

"so the person who is possessed does not have free will ?"

That's a conundrum of theological psychology probably never resolved by the medievals. I'd suggest that a person may still "have" free will but be mysteriously (you forgot my symbolism supernatural so soon, eh?) incapacitated from translating his will's freedom into his own freedom from serving evil. (A banal analogy/metaphor would be a person who "has" a bank account worth a million dollars, but is unable for other reasons to actually withdraw any money, and so dies of poverty, or, in the Muslim case, goes out and robs a bank and kills and tortures the innocent people in the bank whilst doing so.)

Hence the word possession. I don't think a brilliant Catholic has yet invented an Exor-Cycle by which the possessed can lose those demonic calories by sheer motivation and stick-to-itiveness.

An image occurred to me after I posted my preceding comment:

I don't think a brilliant Catholic has yet invented an Exor-Cycle by which the possessed can lose those demonic calories by sheer motivation and stick-to-itiveness.

The image is that of a self-help exorcism "Spinning Class" -- where rows of Linda Blairs sit on exorcycles spinning their heads around (and ejaculating oaths of Allahu Akbar!)...

Lemon, you stated : " or, in the Muslim case, goes out and robs a bank and kills and tortures the innocent people in the bank whilst doing so."

Comment:

if muslims are possessed, why did Bin Laden only find 19 muslims to murder on 9/11

and was not able to recruit any of the millions of American muslims to murder their neighbors on 9/11/01 ?

Ahmadi-peter, how does it feel to be a mulsim parasite living off a people and a land which, despite your best efforts, have been unable to degrade to the pathetic subterranean level of any islamic country in existence?

Explain to us the paradoxical dependency and immigration of mulsims to the West and their fervent disdain for that same culture.

In your defense I could try to explain your behavior simply by recognizing the all to human tendency to feel a boiling rage stemming from jealousy and envy, especially when you have no hope of winning.

Insalm possesses the psyche of the loser, since it cannot win, it destroys.

The main reason why Muslims did not participate in the great horrors of the 20th century is because Islamic societies were so backward, so technologically incapable, that they couldn't have participated. Now that the Islamic world has parastically begun to use technology it never itself could have, would have, created it's making up for lost time.

Also, in every bloody conflagration of the past hundred years, at least one of the two sides was not a democracy. No two full, real, true democracies have gone to war with one another over the past century. Even the Second Reich was not a real democracy, though it had some democratic elements. In short, really free countries have an overwhemling way of working out their problems diplomatically. And there's no way any Islamic nation can be a true demcoracy because true democracy requires liberty and Islam knows nothing of liberty. Islam produces tyranny and that is a main reason why the world is suffering the effects of war right now across the globe. If you think Islam means peace, you're an idiot, which, actually you are.

Waking, you stated : " Ahmadi-peter, how does it feel to be a mulsim parasite living off a people and a land which, despite your best efforts, have been unable to degrade to the pathetic subterranean level of any islamic country in existence?"

Comment:

The best muslim minds are in the west and that could be one reason why the west has a higher standard of living.

Also, here is long list of muslim scientists :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

if muslims are possessed, why did Bin Laden only find 19 muslims to murder on 9/11

and was not able to recruit any of the millions of American muslims to murder their neighbors on 9/11/01 ?

Of course, I was comically exaggerating in my Linda Blair description; and as I have repeated more than twice, I use these symbolisms in a non-literal way. Thus, "demon possession" in the case of Muslims doesn't render them incapable of appreciating the fact that they lack the wherewithal for the attempts at frontal military invasion which they perpetrated for a good thousand years (from the 7th to the 17th centuries) against the West.

By the 17th century the balance of power shifted to the West as the West began to ascend on its rise to civilizational excellence and global superiority (not without flaws and imperfections, since nothing is perfect in this life); and with each passing century after that only advancing and progressing exponentially. From the 17th to the mid-20th century, by contrast, the Muslim world sunk deeper and deeper into an abysmal nadir of inferiority, with its natural and inveterate pathologies only exacerbated (if that's imaginable) by the incestuous morass of their forced circumstance of having to hunker down and chew and gnaw, so to speak, on their own limbs -- ever hoping, as their scripted and demon-possessed fanaticism dictates, for the day when they will be able to try to revive their perennial dream of world domination, by hook and/or by crook.

Various factors concatenated throughout the 20th century to begin to make an appearance of this dream coalesce, with 911 the spectacular jump-start needed to get their "second wind" as it were into the 21st century.

With all their gains thus far, Muslims still would be remarkably stupid to go too far and cross the line, for they know still, as they knew at the turn of the century, that their enemy, "Rome" (the West remains "Rome" to Muslims, as that third realm, as Mohammed's "vision of the third spark" went, requiring conquest before the world as a whole finally falls into the hands of Islam), remains sufficiently powerful to swat all of Islam like a nuisance of a buzzing crop of wasps to a still pleasantly napping lion -- increasingly, however, showing signs of stirring, yawning, stretching its still torpid muscles. Muslims hope their continued infiltration (combined with a parallel track of tactical terror attacks here and there to remind the West, subliminally, of the violence Muslims are prepared to do at the drop of a keffiyeh) will slowly enable them to realize their dream. It's highly unlikely they will realize that dream -- but in merely trying, but ultimately failing, they will in the meantime wreak untold destruction of lives and property. We owe it to ourselves and to our wonderful societies to try to minimize, if not stop, this inexorable devolution; the more proactively, the better.

And no amount of World War One history is relevant to dissuade us from this currently relevant danger (while any World War Two history adduced only underscores -- as an acutely pertinent comparison -- our clear and present exigency).

Wellington, you stated : " The main reason why Muslims did not participate in the great horrors of the 20th century is because Islamic societies were so backward, so technologically incapable, "

Comment:

It does take much technology to commit atrocities.

The Rwanda genocide did not happen due to technological advancement.

It happened with machetes.

The militia typically murdered victims by machetes, although some army units used rifles.

The Hutu gangs searched out victims hiding in churches and school buildings, and massacred them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide#Genocide

lemon, you stated : " the West began to ascend on its rise to civilizational excellence and global superiority (not without flaws and imperfections, since nothing is perfect in this life)"

Comment:

What flaws are you talking about that the west has ?

Ahmadi-peter, why are you avoiding the simple question I addressed to you? the brainwashed can only retort with pre-programed planted responses, you are incapable of free thought, wake up, pinch yourself or something before you go active zombie.

re-read it ahmadi-peter, you can do it:

Ahmadi-peter, how does it feel to be a mulsim parasite living off a people and a land which, despite your best efforts, have been unable to degrade to the pathetic subterranean level of any islamic country in existence?

Explain to us the paradoxical dependency and immigration of mulsims to the West and their fervent disdain for that same culture.

In your defense I could try to explain your behavior simply by recognizing the all to human tendency to feel a boiling rage stemming from jealousy and envy, especially when you have no hope of winning

Also peter how about looking up the long list of people murdered by islam. Start 700ad and go forward, dupe!

Address, if you will (which you won't I predict), all the atrocities committed in the name of Islam from the seventh century onwards. Islam's crimes in India alone can type it as an ideology with a hideous track record. At least 270 million people, going back to the seventh century, have been killed because of Islam. Go ahead, try and exculpate Islam. Don't focus on something else. Focus on Islam, you damn fool.

waking, you stated : " you are incapable of free thought, "

Comment:

There is plenty of free thought in the following link that is supported by many "free thinkers":

the community blog has just been updated as of today, Thursday 9/27.

look for the title , " WHAT IS WAR ALL ABOUT ?"

http://worldpeacethroughworldwidedisarmament.blogspot.com/?view=flipcard

and let me know whether you feel we are still not free thinkers

waking, you stated : " how does it feel to be a mulsim parasite "

Comment:

I am not a muslim and never was a muslim.

I was born into a Lutheran family and was "born again" a few years ago.

Jesus has called me to be a Peacemaker, as the Word states, "Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God".

The purpose of me visiting Jihad Watch is to encourage everyone to be Peacemakers, so they will be blessed by God and receive the blessings of being children of God.

By God's Grace, I will keep making peace between Christians and Muslims

for a future world peace without war that benefits all the muslim, jewish, christian and children of all faiths in the world

Waking, you stated : " Also peter how about looking up the long list of people murdered by islam. Start 700ad and go forward, dupe!"

Comment:

Before Islam came into being,

at one time 100% of mankind sinned, when Adam and Eve sinned

and before Islam came into being,

at one time, 1/4 of mankind committed murder as when Cain murdered Abel

and before Islam came into being,

the Jews in the Old Testament committed genocide on entire nations or tribes killing all men, women, children, babies and even animals

with the excuse that the people they committed genocide on were idol worshippers

but at the same time

taking slaves among the idol worshippers of the lands beyond the promised land : Deuteronomy 20:14

As for the atrocities committed by muslims, look at the following link and you will see its a short list compared to the atrocities committed by non-muslims:

http://necrometrics.com/warstatx.htm

Waking, you stated : " a land built and founded mostly by non-mulsim Christians ".

Comment:

I believe the land was founded by the native Americans but

the europeans did not respect that

and even when up to 80% of native Americans were dying of european diseases,

the europeans kept coming without any regard to the health and well being of the native Americans.

People should not be cruel to their fellow human beings.

This is not what Jesus taught.

Waking, you stated : " a land built and founded mostly by non-mulsim Christians ".

Comment:

I believe the land was founded by the native Americans but

the europeans did not respect that

and even when up to 80% of native Americans were dying of european diseases,

the europeans kept coming without any regard to the health and well being of the native Americans.

People should not be cruel to their fellow human beings.

This is not what Jesus taught.

Wellington,

As for the atrocities committed by muslims, look at the following link and you will see its a short list compared to the atrocities committed by non-muslims:

http://necrometrics.com/warstatx.htm

I doubt that Matthew White has plumbed the sources for Muslim violence in history. Does he cite, for example, Koenrad Elst and K.S. Lal on India, who estimate at least 60 million massacred if not many more. And that's just India. How about the slave trade in Africa, which began in the 8th century, long before the post-medieval West was even in diapers capable of enslaving anyone, and continued right up to the present in the 21st century -- minimized by Westerners in the 19th and 20th centuries forcing Muslims to stop (e.g., British fighting wars to stop the enslavement of black Africans in the late 19th, early 20th centuries). This slave trade caused a staggering death toll, to a great extent because the African boys captured were castrated on the spot (without benefit of anesthetic or Jewish doctors) and forced to march many miles to the places where they would be re-routed to the Middle East, Islamic Spain, and SE Europe. The estimates are approximately 250 million killed this way.

That's just two regions and periods of history, for starters, to which I'm sure "Matthew White" is blithely oblivious.

That list is quite incomplete and tendentious. Islam is responsible for some 270 million deaths. Even assuming other humans were even worse, Muslims have been more than bad enough.

Address the Muslim atrocities over the past 1400 years----if you can, if you will. And I would add that if Muslim societies over the past several hundred years were not so decrepit, Muslims would have used modern weapons of war to engage in killing at least at the rate of most everyone else. You know or should know that huge numbers of people have been killed in the name of Islam. Address this. No diversions. ADDRESS THIS.

Nowhere in scripture dose it command anyone to make peace with evil, satan, pedophiles the wicked or murderers. mohammad and mohammedans qualify splendidly as to the former types on multiple counts.
On the contrary, you need to be schooled much to learn how in fact you are required to hate!, to abolish them and war with them! ..with evil, such as those child murdering, women burning Canaanites Moses commanded the Hebrews to annihilate.. And also not much unlike Cortez who with the help of a majority of “Indians” wiped out Moctezuma and the Aztec rulers along with their culture of human sacrifice.
You claim to aspire bring a peacemaker , to create peace between Christians and mulsims, yet so far the efforts you have made are contradict what you claim. Below I’ll paste just a few of your comments indicating that what in actuality you do is calumniate the non-mulsims and promote muslims:

Comment:
The best muslim minds are in the west and that could be one reason why the west has a higher standard of living.
Also, here is long list of muslim scientists :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

Wellington,
As for the atrocities committed by muslims, look at the following link and you will see its a short list compared to the atrocities committed by non-muslims:
http://necrometrics.com/warstatx.htm

So peter, you effectively are not a follower of Jesus Christ, despite the standard biblical verse you pasted, you are either a mohameadan or an enabler of the major anti-Christ regime on the planet, willfully or ignorantly.

Hi, Wakingwest ...

You wrote:

"Nowhere in scripture dose it command anyone to make peace with evil, satan, pedophiles the wicked or murderers. mohammad and mohammedans qualify splendidly as to the former types on multiple counts."

I wholly agree, Wakingwest ...in fact, this is what the Bible states in Romans 12:9:

"Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good."

It's pretty clear that Christians are to HATE evil, not make peace with it. And I also agree that Peter is not a Christian, but a lying, mohammedan troll. And he mocks Christians by claiming to be born again. Notice that he wrote "born again" with quotation marks, which reveals a mocking attitude; not someone who's even remotely sincere. All great comments from you, btw.

Thanks for the camaraderie and your compliment. Often, after reading your commentaries, I find it unnecessary to provide my own post since you essentially make the point I would have made anyway.
For the purpose of establishing a better and more accurate understanding of the REAL bilical text and teaching I'll add the following, take good care friend,
WW

Mt18.6, LU 15;20, "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would
d be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
PS 97:10 You who love the Lord, HATE EVIL! He preserves the souls of His saints; He delivers them out of the hand of the wicked.
PS 8;13 The fear of the Lord is to HATE EVIL; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverse mouth I hate
AM 5:15 HATE EVIL, love good; Establish justice in the gate. It may be that the Lord God of hosts Will be gracious to the remnant of Joseph.
PS 139;22 I hate them with PERFECT HATRED; I count them my enemies.
PS 68;23That your foot may crush them in blood, And the tongues of your dogs may have their portion from YOUR ENEMIES

Yes, Wakingwest, those are all great passages proving the same point. Ole Peter just looks foolish--again. Take care, dear friend! :)

lemon, you stated : " Does he cite, for example, Koenrad Elst and K.S. Lal on India, who estimate at least 60 million massacred if not many more."

Comment:

If muslims are genocidal, why did the genocides not continue into the 20th century ?

Deaths by War and Oppression during the 20th Century: 203 million

( mostly by non-muslims )

http://necrometrics.com/all20c.htm

Wellington, you stated: " Even assuming other humans were even worse, Muslims have been more than bad enough. "

Comment:

If assuming that other humans are worse then can we also assume that islam as a religion might have a moderating effect on muslim behavior in general ?

waking, you stated : " Nowhere in scripture dose it command anyone to make peace with evil, satan, pedophiles the wicked or murderers. mohammad and mohammedans qualify splendidly as to the former types on multiple counts."

Comment:

can you link me to where islam allows for peace with evil, satan, pedophiles etc ? thanks

waking, you stated : " So peter, you effectively are not a follower of Jesus Christ, "

Comment:

Jesus was very critical of the Jewish leadership and not critical of the terrorist Romans.

Does that mean Jesus was anti-Jewish and pro-terrorist ?

Jesus was critical of the Jewish leadership, not because Jesus was pro-terrorist, but because Jesus wanted the Jewish leadership to live up to their high moral standards

so that pagans, seeing the high moral standards of the Jews will become Jews but not if the Jewish leadership were hypocrites according to Jesus.

So when I am critical of the west, its because I want the west to show an example by not

aborting their babies, by not

going to war for the profit agenda of the warfare corporations and institutions and not

having an epidemic of violence or abuse against kids and women

Champ, you stated : " he mocks Christians by claiming to be born again"

If I seem to mock christians, that is not my intention

but I am very critical of the west, especially the US government because I have the Spirit of Christ.

Jesus was very critical of the Jewish leadership and not critical of the terrorist Romans.

Does that mean Jesus was anti-Jewish and pro-terrorist ?

Jesus was critical of the Jewish leadership, not because Jesus was pro-terrorist, but because Jesus wanted the Jewish leadership to live up to their high moral standards

so that pagans, seeing the high moral standards of the Jews will become Jews but not if the Jewish leadership were hypocrites according to Jesus.

So when I am critical of the west, its because I want the west to show an example by not

aborting their babies, by not

going to war for the profit agenda of the warfare corporations and institutions and not

having an epidemic of violence or abuse against kids and women

waking, you stated: " PS 139;22 I hate them with PERFECT HATRED; I count them my enemies."

Comment:

Jesus said to "love your enemies", "pray for those who persecute you".

So can you reconcile both the Old Testament and the New ?

waking, you stated : " PS 68;23That your foot may crush them in blood, "

Comment:

can you quote a similar Koranic verse ?

No, Peter, Islam cannot have a moderating influence on people in general. As an example, look at the Pew Research poll of June of 2010 in Egypt which showed that over 80% of Egyptians polled thought a Muslim who converts to another religion should be killed and that an adulterer should be stoned to death. You think this argues for Islam having a moderating influence on people? Only a fool or a liar would.

My God man, would you just look around the world today and see that almost ALL terrorism committed in the name of religion is done by Muslims. Who has to worry about Christian suicide bombers or Buddhist monks taking hostages or Jewish rabbis threatening death for mocking Judaism?

Look, I'm not religious. Not in the least. But there's only one religon out there today which is causing the crushing of freedom, which is responsible for almost all religious terrorism, which has forced enormous amounts of money by sundry countries to be spent on security. That religion is Islam, and to the extent that you keep trying to point in other directions, to that extent you are either deceitful or a fool. For my money, I think you're deceitful. I think you're really a Muslim apologizing for the most wretched religion of all time.

Best you go away from JW. I'm all for a difference of opinions but extreme mendacity or extreme foolishness should be tolerated only so long and then no more. Tolerance of idiocy or deceitfulness needs to have its limits.

Wellington, you stated : " look at the Pew Research poll of June of 2010 in Egypt which showed that over 80% of Egyptians polled thought a Muslim who converts to another religion should be killed and that an adulterer should be stoned to death."

Comment:

why not 100% ? does that mean 20% of muslims in at least Egypt interpret islam in a more enlightened way ?

as I said before, Islam is a very young religion

( in some parts of the world is equivalent to 15th century Christianity since Islam started over 600 years after Christianity)

and so Islam has not had the reformation that Christianity went through

but in some ways, Islam has progressed a lot faster than Christianity during the same timeline

Example, in places like muslim Malaysia, at independence, ,muslim Malaysia gave everybody the right to vote

while the US at independence only gave white landowners the right to vote.

Also, blacks were discriminated against or terrorized and lynched right up to the 1960s in the US

while the minorities in muslim Malaysia were never discriminated or lynched to the extent that Blacks were discriminated or lynched in the US.

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CGW,

Can you help us improve our community blog

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Wellington, you stated : " there's only one religon out there today which is causing the crushing of freedom, "

Comment:

If tomorrow, islam disappears, Cain will still continue to kill Abel and Adam and Eve will continue to sin against God.

and Noah will continue to build an Ark for the sins of the world will still be great.

If by freedom, you mean anything goes, I doubt God wants human beings to do anything they want to.

The reason we have an epidemic of abortions and the abuse/violence against women and children in this country is because there is very little discipline and morality in this country

You still did not address the ENORMOUS amount of terrorism committed by Muslims in the modern world in the name of their religion. What other religious people than Muslims kill or threaten to kill as Muslims do? ADDRESS THIS (which you won't).

As for reform in Islam versus Christianity, it ain't gonna' happen. Here's why: There is nothing in the theological blueprint of Christianity which needs to be reformed. The "only" problem with certain Christians in the past is that they deviated from the tenets of their faith. Contra Islam, where maiming, killing, subordinating people in this world is a high duty for Muslims. A greater contrast could not be found and this is why Islam is incapable of reformation.

In short, Christianity is not rotten to the core. Islam is. Grasp this and everything will start to fall into place. Refuse to see this and your ignorance will be never ending.

Wellington, you stated : " You still did not address the ENORMOUS amount of terrorism committed by Muslims in the modern world in the name of their religion."

Comment:

Why do the Swiss live in relative peace from religious terrorism compared to warfaring nations ?

could it have something to do with Swiss foreign policy ?

the reactionary forces within muslim society was basically nurtured by war and World War One was the start of the events that ultimately culminated in the attacks on 9/11.

An analogous way to look at it is how the American revolution started.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Tempe

Before the American revolution , the presence of a tiny tea tax resulted in terrorism and torture ( tarring ) which created burns that resulted in infection and a slow death.

A tiny minuscule british tax on tea that only affected rich Americans resulted in American mobs terrorizing and torturing their innocent fellow loyalist Americans and British citizens.

So if a tiny tea tax that only affected rich Americans can cause terrorism, is it surprising that the collateral deaths of loved ones, children and babies due to bombings by western colonial powers could result in terrorists exploiting the situation in recruiting the loved ones of the victims of those bombings ?

Solution:

The best way to win over terror is to be a Peacemaker as Jesus told us to do and in so doing, we win over our enemies or at least stop the terror

since terrorists only react to the terror caused by our government.

As Peter Ustinov stated : "War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful...

...and terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless."

Wellington, you stated : " There is nothing in the theological blueprint of Christianity which needs to be reformed."

Comment:

I agree, even though slaves in the New Testament were told to be obedient to their masters

and Jesus asked the elders, why they were not killing children for disobedience.

I doubt that Jesus actually stated the two very cruel statements above.

If the genocidal Jews in the Old Testament can reform surely muslims can reform too.

Even though the majority in some conservative muslim countries have not totally reformed

a large percentage of muslims have already reformed by not wanting to follow the cruel rules in the Jewish Old Testament

Enraged, you stated : " Would everybody PLEASE STOP answering to Peter? "

Comment:

Instead of answering me, can you help with the community blog ?

Any feedback would be appreciated so we can keep improving our community blog, thanks

The community blog has just been updated as of today, Friday 9/28

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Read the additional material and let me know your thoughts, thanks:

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I overlooked another statement made by 'Peter', to Lemonlime - "if Muslims are genocidal, why did the genocides not continue into the 20th century ?"

Oh. my. god.

It was **in the 20th century**, as I have pointed out in my posting immediately above, in 1915-1916, that the Muslims of Turkey annihilated some 2 million Armenian Christians, plus Assyrian Christians and Greek Christians, in an orgy of butchering that led to the *coining* of the term 'genocide', in an attempt to find a word to describe the phenomenon of the deliberate attempt to destroy an entire ethnos or gens.

And above, I mentioned the Turkish Muslim blockade of Lebanon: "Lebanon, 1915-1916 - an artificial famine, induced by the Muslim Turks, killed over 100, 100 Maronite Christians in Lebanon and Syria".

From another source - an old geographical Encyclopedia, 'Lands and Peoples', the section on 'Lebanon': "When Allenby's troops entered Beirut, they found the native population starving. It is said that in that city alone during two years 25,000 people died of starvation, and in the Lebanon as a whole, what with the failure of some of the crops...and with the epidemics of typhoid and typhus [ravaging a weakened population - dda] it has been estimated that war, pestilence and famine swept away **two-fifths** of the population".