Muslim rioting, violence in Israel, Gaza, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco, Iraq, Iran and Kashmir

"... so that Islam and Muslims are established as a privileged class beyond criticism"---

The muslim caste system.

This is nothing less than the inevitable. Both Islam and the values of Western thought can be seen as ideological tectonic plates moving towards each other. When the collision occurs, something must give/yield.

So, Which Way, America. The way of the Founders/Framers, or the way of the Islam/EU/USSR/UN model? The idea of centralism was always a false premise. Moving toward a center always means abandoning your founding principles. And Islam NEVER yields but through force' The Marquess of Queensberry rules don't apply.

America is poised to choose one of two contrasting positions, positions which have found their way into all of our institutions, Congress included.

Do we want freedom FROM government via limited, constitutional government (with G_d-given rights protected such as free expression), or do we want total government. There's no middle ground. Madison (Fed. 51) poised the issue. “If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.”

Rather than government being dependent on the people, as Madison et alia had hoped, today we witness Obama and his crowd of leftists inverting the Framers’ ideal to the point that the people, and as many as possible, must be made dependent on the government which will then go after the producers (“tax the rich” is their shibboleth) with a vengeance, a taste of which has been given to us beginning on 01/20/09.

A great deal hangs on this election. If BO is re-elected, he will take that as America’s answer as to the question of Which Way.

There is little doubt that the Obama administration will capitulate to these savages and introduce blasphemy laws by the back door, by somehow nullifying or circumventing the First Amendment, thus providing a perfect example of how primitive tribalism can defeat advanced civilization.

Obama needs to apologize MORE to his peace loving muslim friends so they stop killing us infidels.

Of course, with the thousands of videos calling jews and the torah devils and evil; I remember in particular the one you can download on youtube- never removed- that shows religious jews, in black coats, kidnapping a non jewish boy to kill him so they can use his blood for the passover matzo. Now.. the evil lie that that is and contains is a human abomination but officially supported- the film clip was from a video series that was shown across the middle east in 2005 I think, but was one of many many savage lying evil propaganda declarations against jews, but - not one non jew was ever harmed nor hit nor were there any muslims protesting those abominations.
But that's just a given now.

Those of us who paid attention,we saw it and we knew it was coming.

Robert Spencer wrote of it over and over again that this was no Arab Spring. For those of us on this site who have taken the time to understanding what drives Islam, it was like watching a train wreck in slow motion,the engineer driving the train was Obama along Zarkozy and Cameron.

Then there is the so-called smartest woman in the world,Hillary Clinton who remains absolutely clueless to what drives Islam against the infidels. These people are still

Sorry but we are lead by arrogant idiots who think they have all the answers and I feel like I'm being kind.

Hopefully the cacophony of useful idiot excuses for the "religion of peace" will be finally be put to rest after this latest of Muslim tantrums over the sullied name their fictitious 7th century founder. I can't wait for the blood-thirsty adherents to exit the mosques on Friday with more imam-inspired, hatred for the submissive infidel dripping from their evil lips!

"Muslim rioting, violence in Israel, Gaza, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco, Iraq, Iran and Kashmir..."

Everyday of the Obama administration has brought us here. This headline was ordained by every willfully blind secretary and underling at State, DOD and CIA. Bush's understanding of the issue was flawed, but he was steadfast and resolute in his defense of America and her allies. The creature occupying the WH is neither steadfast, nor resolute unless you include his endless denigration of our history, values and future.

I watched some of the infamous video trailer, but gave up early. It's hard to believe that it's for real, since it's so bad. It's even worse than "The Addams Family" movie or "Repulsion".
I guess the real reason for all the brouhaha is that Muslim audiences are such an elite bunch of culture vultures and epicures, that they go berserk when exposed to extreme bad taste. We're obviously underestimating these terribly sensitive moviegoers.

It is sad but true. Liberal-Saul-Alinsky-Dumbocrat-Drones always take advantage of a crisis to advance their agenda. We will probably see some type anti-blasphemy law in the near future. It seemed like something along that line was veiled within Hillary's comments yesterday.

It will be interesting (and of course frightening) to see how these laws will be argued and sold to the American populace. Firstly. because of the amount of lawsuits against the current administration by the Catholic Church over Obamascare. Will the current administration pass an anti-blasphemy law and then realize that they have to prosecute themselves? Secondly, Quran 4:157 comes to mind. It is the passage which states that Jesus was never crucified and therefore never resurrected. An obviously blasphemous point of view to anyone who would identify themselves as a Christian.

I can just see it now. Thousands of Liberal Dumbocrats who feel that it is their job to protect the poor-downtrodden-suffering-peace-loving Muslim masses from the evil-snarling-violent Christians and Jews with a series of anti-blasphemy laws. Then someone points out to them all of the anti-Christian and anti-semitic passages in the Quran. Therefore, they would have to ban the Quran as a source of blasphemous hate speech. Of course they will create a loophole not to do it.
However, the back-walking and double talk will certainly be entertaining to say the least.

The "faith " that is called islam must be , in EVERY way, rejected in this country.

I support us closing our Embassy, in evry country that is currently protesting us, as well as destroying the building. Do not send in the troops to protect a building.

Get our people out, and cut off all relations with these countrys. Halt all funding of these countrys that embrace islam, and stop all travel to and from these areas that support islam.

A massive show of support of Israel, and a buildup to protect them, as well as our interests. Remove this cult, and all who follow it, in every way from this country.

And why are we not protesting in front of every place that follows islam in THIS country? This was another attack against this country on Sept 11, and we should have a show of understanding of where it is coming from, and it is not a stupid video, with all respects.

Reject islam, in words and deeds, and call for the end of the death cult of islam in the U.S. . This is a call to outlaw the cult of islam in this country.

Target-rich environments. all.

Hillary said Islam is one of the worlds greatest religions...I bet Huma told her that during a da'wa session...

It's the "Arab Autumn".

Or maybe "Arab Fall"?

OT
I just read on Yahoo that police were dispatched to the home of the movie maker for his protection. the guy is scared shitless and the Dhmmi media has published his address and his phone number has also been leaked. freedom is not cheap. but this is dispicable to say the least.
M

Killing two birds with one shot:

Consulate attack planned as 2-part assault, timed to mark 9/11 anniversary; film a pretext

http://bit.ly/RUL0Qp

I started to watch the trailer for the film but, because it was so poorly and childishly done, could only stomach about five minutes of it. The one thing I did take away from it was that the plot was pure quran. Lampooned maybe, but not fictionalized.

The more I read about the guy who made the film, the more I suspect that he was a muslime, who made it specifically to enrage his fellow muslimes.

Israel, Gaza, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco, Iraq, Iran and Kashmir

First things first.

Cancel all visas for Muslims from these countries.

UK channel cancels documentary on Islam as muslims threaten violence http://j.mp/QaYyqD

'Liberal On Murder Of US Ambassador: 'Why Should I Care'?

Huffington Post contributor Sharmine Narwani took the occasion of the murder of our ambassador to Libya to launch into an anti-American diatribe that culminated in her asking why she is supposed to care about Ambassador Chris Stevens' death or that of the other two killed with him.

Sharmine Narwani, who is also a correspondent for Al Jezeera and an associate at St Antony's College, Oxford University... '

http://nation.foxnews.com/huffington-post/2012/09/12/huffpo-murder-us-ambassador-why-should-i-care?cmpid=NL_FiredUpFoxNation

Here's Sharmine Narwani from Beirut -for sure visiting her comrades from Hizboallah- working for the propaganda and disinformation outlets from Russia and Iran: Russia Today/Ria Novosty and PressTV, respectively.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0d1mlAjFhnc/0.jpg

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/Site%20Video/07-20-2012/Sharmine_Narwani.jpg

When the founder of a religion is insulted, it is like insulting or disrespecting ones mother, daughter or girlfriend

and a very tiny minority will take offense and even resort to violence

as we see in this country where enraged men have hurt or even killed other men for insulting their wives, mothers or girlfriends

"... insulting or disrespecting"---

Besides thief, buffoon.

People have the right to offend and be offended, to disrespect and be disrespected, to mock and be mocked, to insult and be insulted, to parody and be the target of parodies... etc. It's all part of free speech and it's a two way street unlike in Islam where it's a one way street only where only muslims can say and do whatever they want against non-muslims and apostates.

0/10

Try harder, keep defending the undefendable!.

To the extent fools like Hillary Clinton focus on this particular film rather than Western freedoms, to such extent Islam is winning and the West is losing. As Robert Spencer noted above, the film is just a pretext. If it didn't exist, then something else would have been found by the deluded followers of Mohammed to insure mayhem and death.

It will always be something for Muslims. They'll go into hysterics regularly when they don't get their way. What's worse is that their wretched, awful religion encourages hate. Muslims hate freedom (real freedom, not the fake stuff). They hate the kuffaar. God knows they hate Jews. They hate the idea that women are the equal of men. They hate the West. They hate.

And I hate Islam. It so deserves to be hated for so many reasons, not the least of these being that it is a permanent enemy of liberty. Between Islam and liberty there can never be a reconciliation. In fact, I would ask how can a sensible, knowledgeable human being who cherishes freedom not despise Islam? Might as well not despise Nazism.

What we need is an INFORMTION BLITZ!!!
If everyone who posts comments on Jihad Watch and believes that Islam is evil/a threat to civilization would gather facts in support of this and disseminate them widely, we could educate millions of naive Americans about the dangers of Islam. Write 10 different posts with facts, figures and quotations on your word processor. Use copy, cut and paste. Then send these posts to a hundred different news outlets that allow comments, one at a time, when the news stories are relevant. Please be accurate and factual and no hate speech. We already hear enough hate speech from Muslims. BTW, I think most people who skim the comments only stop on the shorter ones.
Do this before it's too late and our freedom of speech is curtailed.
Let me start it off with a couple of my old favorites:
Obama Admits He Is A Muslim =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY&feature=related

The Iranian threat = http://www.iraniumthemovie.com.

While I'm at it, I also nominate Robert Spencer for president.

The only aim of life that these morons have is to riot, kill and murder to please their long dead prophet Mo/allah. They have done for last 1400 years and will continue to do it forever!!

Comparing exceptional, isolated incidents to systematic acts and esp. those that are promoted and justified by Islam... well, that's beyond retarded, that's just trolling.

Hi all.
This is my first post here.
First I want to thank all of you, who post here.
I have learned very much from you.
My post is off topic in a strict sense, but it is not in a broader sense.
Born in Hellas, I live in Germany since my early childhood.
Today I read an interview on website of the biggest german news broadcast ARD Tagesschau (www.tagesschau.de).
The interview with german 'Islamic studies scholar' Guido Steinberg about the reaction to the muhammad movie and embassy killings made want to vomit.
In essence he blamed the west in general and the US in particular for the muslim anger and resentment against the US.
He went on to say, that the salafist and clerics are using this antiamerican/antiwestern feelings for their purposes and stated that much of these feelings are a result of the Bush administration's reaction to 9/11.
Needless to say, he commended the Obama administration for their actions.
Here is a link tho the interview:
http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/interviewsteinberg102.html
I was so angry, that a wrote a sharp but factual response without any insults.
The hypocrites at ARD did not approve the comment.
You see only, that they did not approve the comment, without giving any reasons.
I was fuming and was in the process of writing an angry response, when I realized that I had to go home.
I left my office, still fuming, and thinking, what to write next.
My blood was boiling and in my wish to hurt them really, I came up with a productive idea.
A much better idea then to write an angry comment.
I was thinking of a much more effective solution, which would not only hurt them, but would also allow us to voice our opinions and advance the freedom of speech in a great way.
Here is the idea.
- An internet platform named censorwatch or any other useful name is introduced.
- The platform allows users to
a) State on which Forum/News Media their comments were censored.
b) to write their comments, that were censored or suppressed there without any form of censorship.
- The platform would publish a list of the worst offenders
on a regular basis.
- That way the world could not only see, who the worst offenders are, but what they censored or suppressed.
- This would show, whether they suppressed comments because of insults or their bias.
- At first such a platform would have little impact, but once it gains a critical mass of posters and readers, no news outlet or any other media could ignore the platform.
- This would put the media under enormous pressure to think twice before censoring/removing/blocking user's comments since no media would want to be on the list of the worst offenders.

I am deadly serious.
I could open and operate an internet forum for a few bucks a month but for such a platform to succeed I need your help.
I know that there are many knowledgable people here who could be an enormous help.
First of all what are the legal implications?
In witch country should such a platform run?
What organisational structure should it have?
How to finance such an enterprise?
What technical architecture should it have?
How to best prevent the platform from beeing taken down either by legal authorities, by companies or states, by attacks from hackers and other technical measures?
How to best ensure operational redundancy?
And most important, how to promote the platform as fast as possible?
Of course a non-profit basis would be ideal, but we shouldn't be dogmatic about that.

It's time, to fight for our freedom.
It's time, now!

Artaxes

Somehow Buddha shoes and Buddha underwear is not causing Buddhists in this country and in others to start killing, rioting and murdering.

As has been pointed out, Islam has the same effect on humanity, as malaria - violence is inherent in such a diseased ideology - as can be seen in most Muslim societies today.

Hillary knows exactly what she is doing and why she is focusing on the 'film', understand the initial attacks were planned and thought out well. This isn't about destroying an embassy or killing an ambassador, as terrible as that is it, it is much larger, enormously larger! It is a matter of ending criticism of Islam altogether with both self-enforcement and implementation of OIC sponsored laws to be enacted internationally resulting in a free reign of Islam. The planners of these terrorist attacks know this and so does Hillary. Stop concluding she is clueless and start accusing her of knowingly wanting to end the criticism of Islam.

Hey, CNN! How about throwing the word "allegedly" out there in that first sentence- you know, just for old time's sake. It was one of the conventions of this thing they used to call "journalism." You could read up about it on Wikipedia or somethign

Offending Muhammad/Islam is deliberately hyperbolized by supremacist muslims.

Doing so, demonstrates the importence of Islam and the sanctity of it's prophet, Muhammad.

@Domenick

Impotence you mean.

In all fairness to our State Department, while driving home from work today, I actually heard Dame Hillary Cankles' brassy voice tinnily saying something over the radio about our First Amendment--the first time I've heard this administration speak of it in the history of various back-and-forth provocations over Islam.

It wasn't all that I would have hoped for, but at least it was a start.

@artaxes

Welcome to jihadwatch!.

ROMNEY'S "LIBYA DISASTER" IS OVER AS OF TONIGHT. IT'S NOW OBAMA'S LIBYA DISASTER

FROM DRUDGE:

"According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted."

President Obama with is incoherent foreign policy of weakness and appeasment has the blood of Ambassador Stevens on his hands.

Peter, if you really think that we are here to 'insult islam and muslims' for no logical reason, you are either incredibly naive or just plain stupid.

Maybe you don't understand islam, what it teaches,and what observant muslims believe and practice but rest assured, we do understand. It is our understanding, not the gratuitous insults
you accuse us of, that motivates us to discuss, expose, and disseminate the truth about this abominable religion. Religious freedom is guaranteed by our Constitution but islam is a 'religion' like no other. It is a threat to our way of life, our national security, and the future of our country because the goal of the muslim fifth column is to islamicize America and abolish the Constitution, replacing it with Sharia. Why should I respect islam and muslims? Why should I respect people I consider traitors who shouldn't even be here? Why should I respect or even tolerate my enemies?

I loathe islam with every fiber of my being because it is an evil, predatory, supremacist ideology and muslims are invaders who are exploiting my country. You sit down with all the lying muslims you can find and you believe the BS they feed you about their 'peaceful' religion. Maybe one day you will see yourself for what you are: a useful idiot and moral relativist complicit in his own suicide.

Sorry to go OT for a sec, but I wanted to quickly let people know the following, just so any regular commenters wouldn't think I was trying to be cagey: I have changed my user name. I used to be out of context(TM). I chose that name because I wanted to highlight what an absurd excuse that was for Muslims to constantly deploy whenever the Koran's violent, supremacist, totalitarian verses were pointed out. But I think the point has been made, and I've been noticing that Leftists, realizing that the expression is a point of weakness in their hollow deflections, are increasingly trying to co-opt it so as to marginalize it. There are hashtags on twitter, and so on. It is a routine Orwellian tactic of theirs: if your argument is defeated, then change the meaning of language.

So I am now Fiqh Al-Matter. I hope Robert won't mind the off-color pun, but I would love to see Leftists try to co-opt that one. And I will laugh my posterior off as they're getting the Stevens treatment. My goal is to playfully engage jihadists, and stoke cognitive dissonance among their dhimmi, useful idiot Leftist sidekicks, not to offend freedom fighters.

That is all. Continue the discussion...

This pathetic excuse of an American sitting President has jeopardized our safety, put us in economic turmoil and has all but destroyed, what we once were as a nation.

The following information comes from the 2011 NCTC Report on Terrorism, which is based on information available as of March 12, 2012.

“Sunni extremists accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third consecutive year,” the report says. “More than 5,700 incidents were attributed to Sunni extremists, accounting for nearly 56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of all fatalities.”

From Faisal Bodi - Bombing for God (Special report: Israel and the Middle East) - The Guardian, August 28, 2001

"Polls in the Middle East show 75% of people in favour of martyr-bombings"

"I never said I had statistics to back up the 99%. I went by anecdotal evidence"

You went with "anecdotal evidence" to come up with a number of "99%" - so, you just made up that number and don't have the honesty to admit it.

Peter has picked the wrong crowd to practice his Pied-Piper routine on ...

We are way too astute to fall for his lies and deception about islam & company.

Peter: So you have stayed in Muslim countries and everyone was nice to you.
Me too.
I worked out why, in the end. There were a number of reasons:
1)Curiosity: not many Westerners visit their Godforsaken country
2) Envy...maybe I will give them some of my money
3) They dream of meeting a Westerner who will take them away from their Godforsaken country (but not from their beloved Islam)
4) They are hoping this Western woman will have sex with them, as we are all trollops,aren't we?
Number 3 won't apply to you, presumably.
But don't flatter yourself. The Muslims I met were hospitable to me, and I am white, but the way many spoke of black people was, shall we say, unedifying.
You can't judge people only by the way they treat YOU. It's not all about "YOU".

From Robert Satloff's analysis (weekly Standard) analysis of a Gallup poll of Muslims across 35 countries...

"36 percent think the 9/11 attacks were in some way justified"

I meant number 4 won't apply to Peter. (of course).

I've just realised "Peter" is beyond help.

In addition, Peter, would you care to tell as which of the 57 OIC states are war zones?

One thing is certain, as Obama's lapdogs in the politically corrupt FBI, TSA and the Mainstream Media persecute the film maker (a project already begun in earnest), don't hold your breath waiting for the ACLU to defend this guy. In my opinion, the ACLU is a leftist/statist organization and will only defend free speech rights that empower the fascist left. I predict that they will be quite comfortable sitting back in silence when Obama's political opponents, critics of Islam, Catholics and other Christians generally are murdered or imprisoned by the unconstitutional depredations of the Federal Government under Obama's usurpation. Count on it. I would call the ACLU out as cowards and pretenders but they are worse than that.

Islam is a freakish and barbaric political organization masquerading as a religion. It needs to be exposed and marginalized for the evil that is its essence. The Islamic murderers across the globe need to be defeated on all fronts.

Peter, good luck finding the sources you want.
You will need it.

Good night

As Bette Davis said:

"Petah, Petah, Petah...!"

Why do we act surprised when Islamists go crazy and wreck stuff when they get their feelings hurt (aka, use any convenient excuse to justify terror, destruction, and murder). One of my earliest posts at http://thenewknighthood.blogspot.com entitled "Death Before Dishonor" examined this phenomenon in response to the Terry Jones case. I know that such things happened under President Bush, but under Obama the Islamists and the State Department almost seem to race to be the first ones to a microphone; one to threaten and cajole and the other (you guess which one) to apologize and debase themselves. Still, it can be disheartening to see how easily the Western political and media elites can be convinced to defend a worldview antithetical to their own positions on homosexuality, women's rights, religious liberty (including atheism), etc.

Peter.
In case you didn't understand my point.
Your List from wikipedia contains 66 countries.
As we know the OIC consists of 57 islamic countries but only 4 islamic Countries are in that list.
It is ABSOLUTLY MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE that more then 4 islamic countries are in the top 25 and that less then 21 non muslim countries are in the top 25 even if all the other muslim countries had the highest number of firearm-related deaths.
Do you understand?
Or are you that stupid?

This is my last response tonight.
Good night

Arabic version of "Innocence of Muslims" here:
براءة المسلمين
http://crossmuslims.blogspot.ca/2012/09/innocence-of-muslims.html

Above, our sly Mohammedan-in-a-mask, 'Peter', inquired with faux-naivety:

"Wasnt't the US embassy in Yemen and other countries safe for years or decades ?"

Which 'other (presumably, other ISLAMCI) countries' does he mean?

Of American ambassadors who have now (including Chris Stevens as the most recent) been killed by 'terrorists' while at their posts, four out of the five were killed by Muslims in Muslim lands; and the fifth case is a bit hazy, it might have been Muslims.

See this article:

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/43880
Wednesday, 12 September 2012
The Five American Ambassadors Who Have Been Killed

'According to the State Department Office of the Historian, five U.S. ambassadors have [now] been killed by terrorists'

--Christopher Stevens, in Libya, 2012
—Adolph Dubs, in Afghanistan, 1979
—Francis E. Meloy Jr., in Lebanon, 1976
—Rodger P. Davies, in Cyprus, 1974
—Cleo A. Noel Jr., in Sudan, 1973
:
"Four of the five were killed either at the hands of frenzied Muslim mobs or, as in the case of Ambassador Cleo Noel, by the express order from a Muslim Arab terrorist leader: the man who ordered Noel's murder was Yassir Arafat.

"Davies was killed by a sniper during a demonstration outside the embassy by Greek Cypriots. Who that sniper was, and whether he was a Cypriot or possibly an Arab -- Cyprus is a known center for Arab [that is, Arab Muslim - dda] intrigue, including plots against Israelis and Americans -- is not known to the public. If the State Department knows, or strongly suspects, it is not telling.

"Of course, the American government has still refused to release the record of Arafat's message to Khartoum giving the go-ahead for the killing of Cleo Noel."

And the author, our friend Hugh Fitzgerald, continues:

"Attacks on American diplomatic buildings, and killings of personnel, in the same period have taken place in:

Pakistan
Afghanistan
Iran
Egypt
Jordan
Iraq
Yemen
Turkey
Saudi Arabia
Kenya [by Muslims from Al Qaeda]
Tanzania [by Muslims from Al Qaeda]".

I observe that Yemen - cited by 'Peter' as a place where the 'US embassy' has been 'safe' for 'years, or decades' - is one of those places where in the past thirty to forty years, there have been Muslim *attacks* upon diplomatic buildings and personnel.

No non-Muslim - whether a diplomat, or a private individual, whether a visitor official or unofficial, or a resident (and most especially a resident, like the native Copts of Egypt or the last few Jews of Yemen, or the Christians and Hindus and Sikhs of Pakistan) - can ever be said to be truly free or safe in a Muslim-majority/ Muslim-ruled country. They might think they are - things might be nice as pie for weeks, or months, or years - but then, on the slopes of Mt Merapi, in between eruptions, it can seem quite pleasant, too. But only a fool pretends that the mountain is not gonna blow, sooner or later; or that the howling mobs are not going to come swarming from the mosque.

Peter seems to exude urgency; I wonder why that is?

To some of the more recent comments above I might add two points: 1) Nazis were probably very polite and courteous to each other also. 2) The number of gun-related homicides in any particular country is directly correlated to the availability of guns in said country.

...the obliviousness to it, and denial of it, by those who hold it to "normal" Western degrees (such as the administrators of Harvard university in the 1930's, and such as the American and British participants in the student exchange programs with Nazi Germany); and the, to those who hold it to "normal" Western degrees, potential seeming "charm" of those who hold it to extreme degrees.

Spot on Robert this will make the the rest of the world start to relalise that some thing is wrong here (why do people do these things) and I will be telling every one I no why. Trying to educate people who have no idea what we are up against makes these riots a lot easier but the loss of life is hard to bare.

And thank you for the SION meeting including Pam it was very informative and our speaker from India was interestring as I was not aware they did have rabbits running around over there.
I flew from Western Australia to be here and met some great people from US and Canada and will come again. Thank you and all the panel for a great informative day.

In Sahih al-Bukhari, the most canonical hadith collection, Muhammad said,

"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Various other canonical hadiths attest that Muhammad called for death to those who leave Islam. That's why even today all the schools of Islamic law prescribe death for apostasy from Islam.

Check out these links to news stories, and also these links to news stories about people being killed for daring to leave Islam. And many, many more such stories have been reported in the global media.

A December 2010 survey conducted by the Pew Research Center found relatively widespread popular support for death penalty as a punishment for apostasy from Islam: in Egypt (84% of respondents in favor of death penalty), Jordan (86% in favor), Indonesia (30% in favor), Pakistan (76% favor) and Nigeria (51% in favor).

On page 222 (326 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, Muhammad agrees with Abu jahl that those who do not follow Muhammad will be "slaughtered":

Abu jahl said to them: "Muhammad alleges that if you follow him you will be kings of the Arabs and the Persians. Then after death you will be raised to gardens like those of the Jordan. But if you do not follow him you will be slaughtered, and when you are raised from the dead you will be burned in the fire of hell." The apostle [Muhammad] came out to them with a handful of dust saying: "I do say that."

In a core Islamic text, Muhammad says there is to be no punishment for murdering someone who insults him

From Sunan Abu-Dawud, a canonical hadith collection:
Book 38, Number 4348:

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:

A blind man had a slave-mother [a slave who bore children for him] who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He [the blind man] forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he [the blind man] took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up.

He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.

Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

Another canonical hadith:

Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 38, Number 4349:

Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:

A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.

-- QuotingIslam.blogspot.com

Some 17 names are in the initial running to be the next Coptic Orthodox pope.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/09/14/candidates-for-papal-chair-in-egypt-officially-announced/#ixzz26QthCSJ1

Youssef

See for yourself: numerous news stories about public figures and major public institutions self-censoring about Islam due to death threats from Muslims:

Islamic Climate of Intimidation in the West

On page 672 (992 in the Arabic) of the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, he says

...kill those who disbelieve in God.

-- Quoting Islam

Above, 'Peter' hopes we have forgotten about mecca mode vs medina mode.

The way Muslims behave when they feel themselves weak vis a vis the infidel (or when they are attempting to disarm, the better to strike from ambush) as opposed to the way they behave when they feel themselves to be strong.

As is explained, for example, in the work of Deobandi 'scholar' Taqi Osmani...

Article from Times Online: September 8, 2007

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Our followers ‘must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad’

- Andrew Norfolk

“Our followers ‘must live in peace until strong enough to wage jihad’.

'One of the world’s most respected Deobandi scholars believes that aggressive military jihad should be waged by Muslims “to establish the supremacy of Islam” worldwide.

'Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani argues that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle...'.

And then there is this, from a zealous convert to Islam, Hamza Yousef.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/11/hamza-yousef-jihad-is-actually-considered-a-rahma-mercy-in-islam.html

"...The Muslim society has lost the ability of strategic thinking, which Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) exemplified by compromising on several points with the enemy when he signed the Treaty of Hudaibia, said leading American Muslim, Shaikh Hamza Yousuf, at a lecture on Monday.

"Elaborating his point, Shaikh Hamza Yousuf said, “There are times when you have to live like a sheep in order to live in the future like a lion.”

And he hopes we have forgotten that smiles and wiles are permitted to gain the trust of the infidel dupe, before the knife is slashed across his throat.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/06/i-could-be-joking-and-smiling-and-then-cutting-their-throats-in-the-next-second.html

"I could be joking and smiling and then cutting their throats in the next second"

"The violence and protests stem from a 14-minute film trailer that mocks Islam's prophet. It was posted in July on YouTube, but got more notice after Egyptian television recently aired segments and anti-Islam activists promoted it online."

NO, you f-ing moron. The violence stems from a bunch of inbred primitive idiots living in the 6th century being directed by Obummer's buddies the Muslim Brotherhood. ALL the signs and banners, ALL the slogans are STRAIGHT from the Muslim Brotherhood propaganda toolbox.

Obama Administration supports the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and beyond.

And, of course, it is the Muslim Brotherhood which is cheer-leading
the Islamic mass hysteria in Egypt and in the Middle East today.

And, of course, it is the Muslim Brotherhood in the White House-

"The Dark Muslim Brotherhood World of Huma Abedin"

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/jamie-glazov/the-dark-muslim-brotherhood-world-of-huma-abedin-2/

The Muslim Brotherhood in America: Ten Part Video Course

Overview
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
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Have people just forgotten about 9/11, inter alia? Look at the reaction to a film - what would they do if they had suffered a 9/11? - although life to them is very cheap. Their rationality and logic is about on a par with trying to negotiate and reason with a shark. Islam has come to the end of its shelf-life - resolutely set against adapting to civilisation, it is stuck in the 7th century, no longer fit for purpose - so we should be aiding its movement off stage, not kow-towing and pandering and appeasing - the so-called 'Arab Spring'has been the biggest blunder by the West in many years - and we shall soon start paying the price for backing the wrong side, if that hasn't started to happen already which, frankly, I believe that it has

After quoting dumbledoresarmy --

"According to the State Department Office of the Historian, five U.S. ambassadors have [now] been killed by terrorists

--Christopher Stevens, in Libya, 2012
—Adolph Dubs, in Afghanistan, 1979
—Francis E. Meloy Jr., in Lebanon, 1976
—Rodger P. Davies, in Cyprus, 1974
—Cleo A. Noel Jr., in Sudan, 1973"

-- Peter then commented:

if it was just a pretext why wait between the 70s and 2012, to kill another ambassador ?

Notice the subtle shift of concern from Muslim violence, to whether or not that Muslim violence is exploiting some "pretext" -- where the former is mainly Peter's concern (to whitewash) and ours (to worry about).

In fact, that website dumbledores quoted those stats from goes on, almost as though reading Peter's question, to address it:

During the 1980s, the Department of State spent more time and money than ever before on the security of its posts and personnel. From 1980 to 1989, more U.S. civilians died overseas in the line of duty than during the entire 19th century. The Department did not address security matters fully until after two devastating terrorist attacks on U.S. installations: In April 1983, a truck loaded with explosives blew up outside the embassy in Beirut, killing 63 employees, including 17 U.S. diplomatic and military personnel; and in September 1985, another explosion at the Embassy killed an additional 12 Foreign Service nationals. After a thorough study of the terrorist threat against U.S. diplomatic installations, the Department, with Congressional approval, began a $1-billion program for more than 60 construction projects worldwide.

http://history.state.gov/departmenthistory/short-history/spying

An additional factor not mentioned by the State Department (one wouldn't expect them to put it this way!) is that countless petty dictators propped up by the U.S.A. were motivated -- in part due to their need to curry favor from the U.S.A. and in part due to the fact that more extremist Muslims (a locution analogous to the "jumbo shrimp") had been previously, and continued to be, trying to overthrow those same dictators for their perceived "impure" compromises with the Great Satan -- to crack down in the 80s and 90s even more than they had in the 60s and 70s.

Even with all this increased security and cracking down, however, Muslims were busy like army ants throughout the 80s and 90s, and finally were given a great release of inspirational energy with the spectacular attacks of 911, and subsequent plots to terrorize the West -- some successful, innumerable others failed or foiled -- to resume, or to continue, their revival of the perennial Jihad (more recently given another enormous inspirational -- and operational -- boost with the "Arab Spring" events) which had been interrupted for three centuries (but a fleeting moment in the Mohammedan consciousness, with their eye on the long term and delayed gratification) by the astounding superiority of Western global colonialism spanning in earnest the 17th to early 20th centuries largely unhampered as it tended to be by self-imposed politically correct multiculturalist inhibitions -- inhibitions which, by a perverse paradox too complex to go into now, have only increased in post-911 years, further emboldening and giving more opportunities for Islamic terrorism (though that only goes so far, given that even the most PC MC Western idiots in positions of influence policy-wise continue to retain at least some reflexes for self-defense, and have, to this extent, thus strenghtened the bottleneck through which Muslims are forced to go to deploy their various attempts at violent sabotage and non-violently preparatory subterfuge).

Supplement the above with the excellent posts of "traeh" directly above who shows how thoroughly and centrally the foundational texts and continuing legal tradition of Islam are imbued with, and structured by, the use of violence in order to terrorize an enemy perceived to be of the out-group (i.e., non-Islamic which in the Mohammedan mind = rejecting Islam, which in the Mohammedan mind = attacking Islam, which in the Mohammedan mind = a call to arms for "self defense" by lethal means). And what traeh posted is but a mere tip of the iceberg of what he could quote, and has partly amassed on his website, Quoting Islam.

There, that takes care of Peter. Breakfast, anyone? I'm buying.

Peter is not worth the effort...

According to reports, the US, (Hillary) were warned 48 hours ahead of the riots, mayhem and murder, and did nothing...
Inept, incompetent and irresponsible...She and her boss should be given their walking papers...

That's what the film is, a mere pretext. This is the way Mahoundians celebrate their 11-year-old holiday, 9/11. The love death and violence. But counter jihadists can't be intimidated. We stand up for human rights and the values of human civilisation like free speech.

It should be clear by now, even to the most moronic apologists that Islam is the religion of hatred, violence and intimidation.

That's what Hilary Clinton should have said in her speech.

The ever-apropos Ann Barnhardt, from an interview in April of 2011 at the iOTW blog, in these few responses, with her searingly brilliant verve, sums up the trenchant pith of two recent topics Jihad Watchers have been heatedly discussing -- 1) our abjectly idiotic Military leaders (substitute Generals Dempsey & Allen for Petraeus); and 2) and the preposterous notion that the US Constitution hampers our ability to defend our society from destruction -- with, of course, a third (Muslim lunacy) being the constant underlying context):

iOTW -– Islam uses the constitution to their advantage. How do we do battle with Islam without trampling the constitution?

Ann -– Declare war against the Caliphate, just like we did against the Third Reich. Same bloody thing. And I’m not kidding.

iOTW -- What do you think of General Petraeus and his assertion that inciting Islam puts our soldiers in harm’s way?

Ann -– I have an offer for General Petraeus. I’ll GIVE him one of my balls. Then I’d still have two, and he would have one.

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=69662

Speaking from his hospital bed, a young man whose hand and foot were amputated this week by the radical Islamic group controlling northern Mali described an agony unlike any other — “a pain that made me forget everything.”

Youssoufa Hamidou borrowed the phone of a hospital attendant and braved the guards posted outside his door to call a journalist hundreds of miles (kilometers) away in Mali’s capital and tell the world what he went through.

Read more: http://www.maghrebchristians.com/2012/09/14/north-mali-robber-describes-shariah-amputation/#ixzz26RZFD8Cr

Youssef

Congratulations to Israel for allowing the protest in Tel Aviv. That's liberalism in action. Even though they disagree with the Muslims, they still allow them to hold their protest. Now if a Muslim made a derogatory film about Jesus, how many Christians do you thing would be allowed protest in Cairo? Put it another way. How many nightclubs and casinos are there in downtown Mecca/

http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-official-identifies-antimuslim-filmmaker-20120914-25w6i.html

Obviously a pay back for him, I wonder how high this leak goes.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=hillary%20clinton%20condemns%20islamic%20movie&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CDAQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqXYdb57P7T4&ei=DkNTUJP7NqaimQXgsoGoCQ&usg=AFQjCNE_vogqsUKDXACYN_blAIxOdM71xw

Hillary calls Islam a "great & tolerant religion." At least she acknowledged the Constitution. Hillary would you be prepared to be dropped into Tahir Square so you could discuss this with the followers of the "great" religion there? Of course she wouldn't, the mob of followers of the great religion would tear her limb from limb, & she knows that too.

Peter wrote:

"They love just like us, they cry just like us and they hurt just like us"

This silly statement is similar to ...don't hurt muslim "feelings" ...which are the ridiculous talking points of the Muslim Brotherhood and the left.

To further my prior comment. Fundamentalist political Islam, will intentionally hyperbolize even the slightest or what may be remotely offensive, to muslims. They do so for a mumber of different reasons. The most importent of which, is, that it creates justification and unaminity, in order to further their theo/political agenda. We're seeing it at work in 11 Middle East and North African embassies, as we exchange our JW comments.

What is most troubling is that this administration has and is falling for what are obstensibly, soley religious uprisings. Removing this aberration of an American sitting President, will also remove the bias policies, that are facillitating their political agenda.

Peter's contention that 99% of muslims would be willing to sit down and have a meaningful and pleasant conversation with a non-muslim is not true, and it would certainly be tested once the topic of muhammad came up. The moment any Truth about muhammad is raised--is the moment a muslims hair will catch on fire. Telling the Truth about muhammad is a conversation ENDER and the rage begins.

Peter is a liar, plain and simple.

In the earliest Muslim biography of Muhammad, pages 511-517 (758-766 in the Arabic) we learn how in Khaybar Muhammad ordered the torture of a man in order to get hold of a treasure, then beheaded the man, and how that night Muhammad took into his private tent for consummation of "marriage" the tortured man's widow, Safiya, whose father and other male relatives Muhammad had just killed:

Kinana b. al-Rabi', who had the custody of the treasure of the B. al-Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (Tabari says "was brought") to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle [Muhammad] said to Kinana, 'Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?' he said Yes. The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle [Muhammad] gave orders to al-Zubayr b. al-'Awwam, 'Torture him until you extract what he has,' so he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head in revenge for his brother Mahmud. [-- page 515 (763-764 in the Arabic)]

...The apostle took captives...among whom was Safiya d. Huyayy b. Akhtab who had been the wife of Kinana b. al-Rabi’ b. Abu’l-Huqayq, and two cousins of hers. The apostle chose Safiya for himself. [-- page 511 (758 in the Arabic)]

When the apostle married Safiya in Khaybar or on the way, she having been beautified and combed, and got in a fit state for the apostle by Umm Sulaym d. Milhan mother of Anas b. Malik, the apostle passed the night with her in a tent of his. Abu Ayyub, Khalid b. Zayd brother of B. al-Najjar passed the night girt with his sword, guarding the apostle and going round the tent until in the morning the apostle saw him and asked him what he meant by his action. He replied, ‘I was afraid for you with this woman for you have killed her father, her husband, and her people, and till recently she was in unbelief, so I was afraid for you on her account.’ They allege that the apostle said ‘O God, preserve Abu Ayyub as he spent the night preserving me.’ [-- page 516-517 (766 in the Arabic)]

-- Quoting Islam

Peter - it seems you started with "The fact is muslims are not anymore violent than people in other religions"

Have you demonstrated the above yet?

Or will you again come up with "in your opinion, based on anecdotal experience" we have to buy into something like "most people in this forum assume, that all muslims all over the world think alike"

as an explanation for why data on some 3M Muslim Americans (approx) should apply to 1.5 B (approx) Muslims.

Peter - “if muslims are violent,why are the 4 muslim countries listed not in the top 25 countries regarding gun homicides”

So, you started out with “fact is muslims are not anymore violent than people in other religions” which you have not been able to demonstrate, but now you want us to prove “why are the 4 muslim countries listed not in the top 25 countries regarding gun homicides”.

Hmmm...yet again you resort to diversionary tactics...

OK, so, why do you believe a historical list of country data show whether muslims are violent or not?